UO: I hate terms that are specifically used to disparage women. Bitch is the perfect example. Especially since there are no terms that specifically disparage men.
And I also hate that I still use that word. I really want to drop it from my vocabulary. But that's my own issue not an UO.
What about bastard or dick?
I don't really want to find ways to disparage either sex, I just think we pretty flippantly disparage women regularly, and people don't think much about it. And as one of the PP mentioned we also use calling a guy girly an insult. He cried like a girl, he's such a girl, man-up, etc.
I have never thought "let me see how many times I can hit her in the face" while sparring.
And that's a good thing, I'm not under the impression all of us gals are like that, (I did say most times not all times) I spar with one of my best friends. I just happen to know a few who are, and that has lead me to be a little more wary of some situations. I did not mean to offend any of you ladies who also partake in this sport. If anything I think it's awesome! I think all women could benefit from it.
Fuck those damn women competing with you in COMPETITIVE SPORTS! Men are just the BEST, aren't they?
That is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard anyone say. I will compete with everyone in everything.
I agree with Sister here. You sound like you enjoy the fact that when you play with guys they don't see you as an equal. How the hell is that a good thing?
Ah OK I see what you're saying. That was not my intention. It's not that I don't think I'm good, or that I don't think the guys think I'm good at anything, or that I don't care to have their respect at least as an athlete. I just mean it's different, it's not the same.
Ok I'll give an example, my husband and I do martial arts. We practice, spar, all that stuff together, with the same group of people. When I spar against another guy it has always felt that his intention in sparring with me is to help me get better, and that I am there to help him get better, not "let's see how many times I can hit her in the face", When I spar with other women, the feeling I get (most times not all times) is that they are only there to be better than me, and is very much a "let me see how many times I can hit her in the face." That is all I meant, but you ladies were right in thinking that it's not healthy or good to just go along with a bunch of guys who don't see you as equals. I didn't explain that very well - my bad. Words are hard today guise...
As a competitive person, I want someone I am working with to push me to be better. That would mean not taking it easy on me or whatever. No one gets better without being challenged.
I see what you are saying and I understand you are not competitive, but it is still kind of disappointing to hear that you like the men better because they are making it easy for you, and you seem to imply this is some kind of character flaw in the women that they are not making it easy for you.
I haven't competed in Judo since I was a lot younger, but sparring is a mini-competition, while you work on skills. When I play tennis with DH and he beats me, I am mad, but I wouldn't be happier if he took it easy on me and I won against not his best.
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ehh whatever I'm sure that when you parent / as you age you will change your mind about things too
Ugh I hate when people pull the 'Well I am a parent and you are not so you couldn't possibly understand' card. I am sure there are some topics in which this is true, but being against gender stereotyping really has nothing to do with being a parent versus not.
Agreed. This was really bothering me as well.
I said when you parent, general you not her specifically I didn't even look to see if she has children, meaning as you actively parent you change. Your decisions change per child/per individuals per circumstances. And as you, meaning general you not you specifically, age you change. Well atleast I do and did and will continue to. Having ideas and opinions and certain hot topics / issues you feel passionately about and educate others/defend/etc is good and I have a few myself; sorry you were bothered by my statement I think its merit stands though.
ehh whatever I'm sure that when you parent / as you age you will change your mind about things too
Ugh I hate when people pull the 'Well I am a parent and you are not so you couldn't possibly understand' card. I am sure there are some topics in which this is true, but being against gender stereotyping really has nothing to do with being a parent versus not.
Agreed. This was really bothering me as well.
I said when you parent, general you not her specifically I didn't even look to see if she has children, meaning as you actively parent you change. Your decisions change per child/per individuals per circumstances. And as you, meaning general you not you specifically, age you change. Well atleast I do and did and will continue to. Having ideas and opinions and certain hot topics / issues you feel passionately about and educate others/defend/etc is good and I have a few myself; sorry you were bothered by my statement I think its merit stands though.
Are you kidding me? Please go reread what she wrote.
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My UO, I really hate when people use the phrase "I fail at being a woman" or "he fails at being a man" as a joke when they are talking about absolute stereotypes. Like "I didn't shave, I fail at being a woman today" or "I didn't put on makeup, I fail at being a woman."
Makes me want to scream, but it seems people say this all the time.
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Fuck those damn women competing with you in COMPETITIVE SPORTS! Men are just the BEST, aren't they?
That is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard anyone say. I will compete with everyone in everything.
I agree with Sister here. You sound like you enjoy the fact that when you play with guys they don't see you as an equal. How the hell is that a good thing?
Ah OK I see what you're saying. That was not my intention. It's not that I don't think I'm good, or that I don't think the guys think I'm good at anything, or that I don't care to have their respect at least as an athlete. I just mean it's different, it's not the same.
Ok I'll give an example, my husband and I do martial arts. We practice, spar, all that stuff together, with the same group of people. When I spar against another guy it has always felt that his intention in sparring with me is to help me get better, and that I am there to help him get better, not "let's see how many times I can hit her in the face", When I spar with other women, the feeling I get (most times not all times) is that they are only there to be better than me, and is very much a "let me see how many times I can hit her in the face." That is all I meant, but you ladies were right in thinking that it's not healthy or good to just go along with a bunch of guys who don't see you as equals. I didn't explain that very well - my bad. Words are hard today guise...
As a competitive person, I want someone I am working with to push me to be better. That would mean not taking it easy on me or whatever. No one gets better without being challenged.
I see what you are saying and I understand you are not competitive, but it is still kind of disappointing to hear that you like the men better because they are making it easy for you, and you seem to imply this is some kind of character flaw in the women that they are not making it easy for you.
I haven't competed in Judo since I was a lot younger, but sparring is a mini-competition, while you work on skills. When I play tennis with DH and he beats me, I am mad, but I wouldn't be happier if he took it easy on me and I won against not his best.
I completely agree with you. It is important to be challenged, and it was not my intention to say that I don't appreciate or find the value in it. I think anyone who does any sport (whether for fun, or to be competitive at it) has to see the only way to be better is to be pushed. That being said, I don't prefer to work with men because I think they are taking it easy on me, it is more because I am aware that it is a challenge of respect. My husband and I spar all the time, he has a reach that is just absurd to try and work around, and it's great because you have no choice but to be frustrated by it, and try and exercise a different set of skills or techniques, the last thing I want him to do is take it easy on me because I am a girl or I am his wife. No one learns by having people take it easy on them. That being said, I do feel there is a difference between someone who want's to challenge you, and someone who just has to win all the time. That was all I was trying to say. Again - I do not feel this way about all women, I really need to get over the rotten apples who have spoiled my taste. And if anything I appreciate you ladies bringing this idea of mine to my attention. Again, we all need to be challenged.
BTW - Mad respect on the judo background!! That shit is crazy awesome!
ehh whatever I'm sure that when you parent / as you age you will change your mind about things too
Ugh I hate when people pull the 'Well I am a parent and you are not so you couldn't possibly understand' card. I am sure there are some topics in which this is true, but being against gender stereotyping really has nothing to do with being a parent versus not.
Agreed. This was really bothering me as well.
I said when you parent, general you not her specifically I didn't even look to see if she has children, meaning as you actively parent you change. Your decisions change per child/per individuals per circumstances. And as you, meaning general you not you specifically, age you change. Well atleast I do and did and will continue to. Having ideas and opinions and certain hot topics / issues you feel passionately about and educate others/defend/etc is good and I have a few myself; sorry you were bothered by my statement I think its merit stands though.
So...sorry you feel that way. Awesome.
So, if you are tending to your kid's hair, you would prefer it be longer, and more difficult to deal with on your end, because 1. people might think your girl is a boy (can't you just slap a bow on it or something?) and 2. I'm not really sure why this is a hang up for you.
NO I never said I feared a girl looking like a boy without long hair. I did not say that and don't believe it NOR give a shit if someone thinks that. My son has long hair. I don't give a damn if people don't like it. It is not a hang up for me. I also do not agree it is harder to deal with long hair than short hair. I've had both and longer is much easier In my opinion.
I did reread her statement, maybe I just don't understand. I also have no issues with men dressing any way they want or women dressing any way they want or any person doing what they want. Unfortunately I must have hit a button by stating what my choice is. The point that is sticky is that I said I wouldn't let a daughter cut her hair until 12 or so... then I said I was wrong I just wouldn't encourage it. It's not really that big of a deal.
Then I was misunderstood in another post regarding parenting.
I wish I had pigtails as a little girl, my mom cut my hair short and permed it... I looked like a little boy AND additionally had really dark hair and I couldn't shave until highschool! Oh my gosh I had to use nasty/stinky nair only under my knees! My UO: If I had a little girl I would not cut her hair or allow her to until she was 12ish/ but I would let her shave as soon as she asked!
It's because you said you looked like a little boy and for that reason you won't let your daughter cut her hair until she's 12-ish. So while you didn't directly say it, you very strongly implied it.
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My mom (an "expert on early child development") let me "express myself" as far back as I can remember. So I had a skater hair cut around age 10 that had me briefly mistaken for a boy. So I quickly learned not to do short hair again. I don't think the embarrassment was worth the lesson. I wore some crazy outfits (black & white stripes pants & shirt with a jean skirt at age 8) that resulted in my teachers asking my mom if she inspected me before I left the house and she had to explain that she was "letting me express myself." I showed up in 6th grade with bright red lipstick due to the "mood changing lipstick" and the teacher (who felt my embarrassment) quietly led me to the bathroom to wash it off. My mom dyed my brown hair blonde (at my request, I think?) in 8th grade. I started dying it purple, etc in high school.... I think that's around the point that she started regretting letting me "express myself." If not then, then at least by 18 when I started with the piercings & tats. I'm sure that was a stressful period for her... But I'm a doctor now so I guess she did something right.
I do plan to have a ceiling on how much I let my kids express themselves. If I can save them some embarrassment, that would be cool.
yes, @EllyD14 I felt very uncomfortable to put it lightly,with MY physical appearance I do not feel uncomfortable with other people choosing how to dress/look, etc. I also stated I am truly interested in learning and growing and that my poor bodyimage issues, etc affected me I would not want to pass on to a girl. Perhaps I have more to learn and this has allowed that, so thank you.
ehh whatever I'm sure that when you parent / as you age you will change your mind about things too
Ugh I hate when people pull the 'Well I am a parent and you are not so you couldn't possibly understand' card. I am sure there are some topics in which this is true, but being against gender stereotyping really has nothing to do with being a parent versus not.
I said when you parent, general you not her specifically I didn't even look to see if she has children, meaning as you actively parent you change. Your decisions change per child/per individuals per circumstances. And as you, meaning general you not you specifically, age you change. Well atleast I do and did and will continue to. Having ideas and opinions and certain hot topics / issues you feel passionately about and educate others/defend/etc is good and I have a few myself; sorry you were bothered by my statement I think its merit stands though.
NO I never said I feared a girl looking like a boy without long hair. I did not say that and don't believe it NOR give a shit if someone thinks that. My son has long hair. I don't give a damn if people don't like it. It is not a hang up for me. I also do not agree it is harder to deal with long hair than short hair. I've had both and longer is much easier In my opinion.
I did reread her statement, maybe I just don't understand. I also have no issues with men dressing any way they want or women dressing any way they want or any person doing what they want. Unfortunately I must have hit a button by stating what my choice is. The point that is sticky is that I said I wouldn't let a daughter cut her hair until 12 or so... then I said I was wrong I just wouldn't encourage it. It's not really that big of a deal.
Then I was misunderstood in another post regarding parenting.
Our point is that you think it's okay to blow someone off as not being able to legitimately contribute to a conversation because they aren't a parent. And while there may be certain issues where this is acceptable because there are some things you just can't know, forcing gender stereotypes is absolutely not one of them.
Whatever. I can't deal with this right now.
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EllyD14 I did not say that. My point was when you have an opinion about how you would care for a child, it changes as one actively parents a particular child. I believe I was misunderstood and my wording was poor. It really isn't a groundbreaking statement.
I guess dick, but bastard is more about the guy's mom than him. It's the son of an unwed woman.
What is the daughter of an unwed woman?
I have no idea.
I thought daughters of unwed women were also thought of as "bastards" FWIW I'm using the "Sand Snakes" aka Prince Oberyn's daughters from Game Of Thrones as a reference, they were considered his bastard daughters right?
My UO, I really hate when people use the phrase "I fail at being a woman" or "he fails at being a man" as a joke when they are talking about absolute stereotypes. Like "I didn't shave, I fail at being a woman today" or "I didn't put on makeup, I fail at being a woman."
Makes me want to scream, but it seems people say this all the time.
What people are saying that...?
I never wear makeup. I have never thought of that as failing at being a woman.
There was a thread when I was on vacation and couldn't login or comment on anything, where it was used a bunch of times. I just remembered it.
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Yesterday the car in front of me was swerving, speeding up and slowing down, etc. basically the driver wasn't paying attention. I changed lanes and looked over at the driver of course texting on her phone. She looked at me and I mouthed Put your fucking phone down. She rolled her window down and said you're a woman watch your language. So I kindly told her to fuck off.
? Is that weird ? I thought so. Of course I was pissed and impolite, what do you think is using foul language unwomanly? Would you be considered "more" of a woman if you didn't cuss? Is it stereotyping to say women shouldn't cuss? Now I'm even more intrigued
kelley72 said:
Yesterday the car in front of me was swerving, speeding up and slowing down, etc. basically the driver wasn't paying attention. I changed lanes and looked over at the driver of course texting on her phone. She looked at me and I mouthed Put your fucking phone down. She rolled her window down and said you're a woman watch your language. So I kindly told her to fuck off.? Is that weird ? I thought so. Of course I was pissed and impolite, what do you think is using foul language unwomanly? Would you be considered "more" of a woman if you didn't cuss? Is it stereotyping to say women shouldn't cuss? Now I'm even more intrigued
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1)Heat detecting smoke detectors are indeed the debil. H tore one of ours out of the ceiling at Thanksgiving (it can be put back up) because there was no smoke but apparently cooking the turkey was too hot. So it wouldn't shut up. It still works, but now at least it's down so I can just shut it off or move it.
2) I had that 80s young kid modified bowl cut until I was about 7. It was easier for my mom to deal with than trying to do my baby fine tangle prone hair when I was super tender headed. Especially because there just wasn't the time in the mornings. I was always super jealous of my BFFs thick hair that her mother did every morning in braids or pigtails or bows. Also, my mom just prefers short hair on me to this day. I don't have it now, but my hair looks better long now than it has in years.
I definitely love me some bows (and eyelet and smoking and monograms, I'm Southern, what can I say?), but if a girl child doesn't want them I'm not going to force them. Also, my brother has the most amazing hair. He changed his hair all through high school and it's been to his shoulders (with a tiny ponytail holding back the front of it) and buzzed off. My mom never really cared unless he got called in for dress code violations (Catholic school).
3) My UO: I really hate texting when a call would take care of something faster. Or texting me and asking me to call you at another time, Mother (makes me nuts, especially when there's other stuff going on, just call me then and we'll talk, or call me tomorrow, and don't be vague).
We have a couple who are friends of H and I's who are the worst at this. We'll set up a time/place to meet them the night before (I don't mind texting for this because it can be done at leisure) and then the day of they want to change plans, but not just say 'We'd like to do x or eat at y instead' oh no, they want to have a whole new conversation about what we would prefer. I told you what we preferred last night. So if you're changing stuff, then make that executive decision, but trying to make it while we're in the car (I'm the one doing this because H is driving) and it's taking you minutes at a time to text back is ridiculous. Call me, this is a two minute conversation vs. 10 minutes of hem and hawing texts.
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? no I guess I don't I'm trying to figure out if by me cussing she was ok to say that about me being a woman? I truly must not understand. I don't think me cussing has anything to do with me being a woman. I was so aggravated by an adult saying that to me while they were playing with a cell phone while driving.
edit to add this: "of course texting"...do you think I'm remarking bc of her being a woman? I wasn't.
3) My UO: I really hate texting when a call would take care of something faster. Or texting me and asking me to call you at another time, Mother (makes me nuts, especially when there's other stuff going on, just call me then and we'll talk, or call me tomorrow, and don't be vague).
We have a couple who are friends of H and I's who are the worst at this. We'll set up a time/place to meet them the night before (I don't mind texting for this because it can be done at leisure) and then the day of they want to change plans, but not just say 'We'd like to do x or eat at y instead' oh no, they want to have a whole new conversation about what we would prefer. I told you what we preferred last night. So if you're changing stuff, then make that executive decision, but trying to make it while we're in the car (I'm the one doing this because H is driving) and it's taking you minutes at a time to text back is ridiculous. Call me, this is a two minute conversation vs. 10 minutes of hem and hawing texts.
I will pretty much always let my phone ring and then an hour later text the person if I feel like they might have something important to say. Fuck phone calls. On the other hand, if I actually answer your phone calls, you should feel damn special.
I will respond to texts/hangouts as soon as I see them, but I also don't go find my phone if I hear a notification.
You would hate being my friend. lol
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I will pretty much always let my phone ring and then an hour later text the person if I feel like they might have something important to say. Fuck phone calls. On the other hand, if I actually answer your phone calls, you should feel damn special.
I will respond to texts/hangouts as soon as I see them, but I also don't go find my phone if I hear a notification.
You would hate being my friend. lol
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I hate when people do this. If I'm just calling to chat, I DGAF. But if we said we were going to hang out Saturday, fucking answer the phone when I call you Friday. Otherwise, I'm making other plans. My H has a friend who does this all the time. It's so inconsiderate and drives me crazy.
If you know he does this, why do you still call? Why not skip it and just message him some other way?
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Also, she said if there was an impending hangout, she answers as soon as she sees it or gets a chance...i don't see the problem?
:-/
By hangout I mean Google Hangouts. People I hang out with know better than to call me and expect a response. They just show up and tell me to deal with it.
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UO: I dislike when people FTFY without crossing out the original text, you know, use this font, and only quote their edited version because then I don't know if the FTFY is witty, rude, or inaccurate.
I can't hack going back through a thread...so much effort just to potentially dole out a lovetit.
I try to bold if I'm adding extra words (so there wouldn't be anything to cross out), but if I'm mobile it's a pain in the ass and sometimes I forget. Sorry guys.
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UO: I dislike when people FTFY without crossing out the original text, you know, use this font, and only quote their edited version because then I don't know if the FTFY is witty, rude, or inaccurate.
I can't hack going back through a thread...so much effort just to potentially dole out a lovetit.
I try to bold if I'm adding extra words (so there wouldn't be anything to cross out), but if I'm mobile it's a pain in the ass and sometimes I forget. Sorry guys.
I accept your bolded words as an appropriate option.
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3) My UO: I really hate texting when a call would take care of something faster. Or texting me and asking me to call you at another time, Mother (makes me nuts, especially when there's other stuff going on, just call me then and we'll talk, or call me tomorrow, and don't be vague).
We have a couple who are friends of H and I's who are the worst at this. We'll set up a time/place to meet them the night before (I don't mind texting for this because it can be done at leisure) and then the day of they want to change plans, but not just say 'We'd like to do x or eat at y instead' oh no, they want to have a whole new conversation about what we would prefer. I told you what we preferred last night. So if you're changing stuff, then make that executive decision, but trying to make it while we're in the car (I'm the one doing this because H is driving) and it's taking you minutes at a time to text back is ridiculous. Call me, this is a two minute conversation vs. 10 minutes of hem and hawing texts.
I will pretty much always let my phone ring and then an hour later text the person if I feel like they might have something important to say. Fuck phone calls. On the other hand, if I actually answer your phone calls, you should feel damn special.
I will respond to texts/hangouts as soon as I see them, but I also don't go find my phone if I hear a notification.
You would hate being my friend. lol
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I hate when people do this. If I'm just calling to chat, I DGAF. But if we said we were going to hang out Saturday, fucking answer the phone when I call you Friday. Otherwise, I'm making other plans. My H has a friend who does this all the time. It's so inconsiderate and drives me crazy.
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If they don't answer when you call Friday about your Saturday plans, it's probably because they are busy with their Friday plans... Why can't you just send a text quickly that says 'hey just wanted to confirm tomorrow'?
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@EllyD14 you better answer the damn phone if I call you!!
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Maybe it's just because I'm not a mother, but it really grates on my nerves when women refer to each other as "mama". Like "you go, mama!"
I'm going to guess that's not it. It's just annoying. But then again, the type of person to say that is probably the kind of person I find annoying anyways.
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I use the word "bitch" all the time as a term of endearment or as a verb and it doesn't bother me when other women use it however they like. But I see red when any man says it in any context. I have no reasonable explanation for this.
My UO, I really hate when people use the phrase "I fail at being a woman" or "he fails at being a man" as a joke when they are talking about absolute stereotypes. Like "I didn't shave, I fail at being a woman today" or "I didn't put on makeup, I fail at being a woman."
Makes me want to scream, but it seems people say this all the time.
What people are saying that...?
I never wear makeup. I have never thought of that as failing at being a woman.
There was a thread when I was on vacation and couldn't login or comment on anything, where it was used a bunch of times. I just remembered it.
A old TTGP'er now pregnant just reminded me that those comments were also made by @kelley72 'real men don't drive minivans' or something of the like.
Shocker.
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I use the word "bitch" all the time as a term of endearment or as a verb and it doesn't bother me when other women use it however they like. But I see red when any man says it in any context. I have no reasonable explanation for this.
Double standards = explanation.
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MeatandBandP yes I did and I was rightly called out on it. Also you are right, verbal altercation might be a little strongly worded, but I shouldn't have addressed the driver at all. Good thing we were at a red light. I was wrong to say anything.
I use the word "bitch" all the time as a term of endearment or as a verb and it doesn't bother me when other women use it however they like. But I see red when any man says it in any context. I have no reasonable explanation for this.
Double standards = explanation.
Maybe. I think it could be that I feel like women have ownership of that word too and men have no business using it. It's like, for example, my dear friend who is gay who tosses around the other F word. I feel like that's fine for him but I'm super pissed when I hear other people use it. I don't know, I'm still working this out in my head. I'd like to stop saying bitch all the time like I'm freaking Jesse Pinkman, but I haven't found a replacement I like as much.
The phrase, "just wait until you have kids" has never bothered me. Probably because it was said to me by my parents who tend to be right with their "just wait until you **blank**" comments. To be honest, most of the things they reference (and other people reference) when they have said "just wait until you have kids" to me were true.
EDIT: Changed tense to only about me. Not a blanket statement.
I feel the same way. Usually wait until is followed by some major life shake up. You have kids, you are out of college, you are 20 years older than you are now, etc. It's possible that my opinions won't have changed, but I've had enough times where my thoughts have changed that I'm open to the possibility.
That being said, I think some people use that phrase to pretend they know it all. And know better than you.
I use the word "bitch" all the time as a term of endearment or as a verb and it doesn't bother me when other women use it however they like. But I see red when any man says it in any context. I have no reasonable explanation for this.
Double standards = explanation.
Maybe. I think it could be that I feel like women have ownership of that word too and men have no business using it. It's like, for example, my dear friend who is gay who tosses around the other F word. I feel like that's fine for him but I'm super pissed when I hear other people use it. I don't know, I'm still working this out in my head. I'd like to stop saying bitch all the time like I'm freaking Jesse Pinkman, but I haven't found a replacement I like as much.
I feel like any double standard in speech is more trouble than it's worth. I get that it's trendy, but to me - if I call a woman a bitch, it's because she is in fact a bitch. My dearest friends I call "lovely" or "beautiful" I even have a friend who refers to me as "babe". THESE are terms of endearment that are meant to be empowering - if we are not empowering those who are nearest and dearest to us then we need to re-think our outlook in friends. That and I think it's immature, we are not 15 years old getting away with curse words for the first time - we are adults, and calling one another a bitch just because we can makes us sound like we are in high-school. Don't get me wrong, I curse like a mother-fucking sailor, am I sorry? No. Do I think it's unlady-like? Eh - ok a bit. But if I am going to drop those words, you can bet your sweet ass they are going to be words that make me and mine sound like adults, not fucking teeny- boppers.
How big is your water heater that your husband can take a 90 minute hot shower?
(I focus on the important things, obviously.)
The normal size? I don't think I've ever seen a water heater that didn't last at least 90 minutes. I can go look...
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
How big is your water heater that your husband can take a 90 minute hot shower?
(I focus on the important things, obviously.)
The normal size? I don't think I've ever seen a water heater that didn't last at least 90 minutes. I can go look...
It's 50 gallons.
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
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I don't really want to find ways to disparage either sex, I just think we pretty flippantly disparage women regularly, and people don't think much about it. And as one of the PP mentioned we also use calling a guy girly an insult. He cried like a girl, he's such a girl, man-up, etc.
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But when I am the one tending to it they will have it the length I choose. yes agreed i get to choose when I tend it...
I said when you parent, general you not her specifically I didn't even look to see if she has children, meaning as you actively parent you change. Your decisions change per child/per individuals per circumstances. And as you, meaning general you not you specifically, age you change. Well atleast I do and did and will continue to. Having ideas and opinions and certain hot topics / issues you feel passionately about and educate others/defend/etc is good and I have a few myself; sorry you were bothered by my statement I think its merit stands though.TTC#1 since May 2012. Low AMH, High FSH.
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I completely agree with you. It is important to be challenged, and it was not my intention to say that I don't appreciate or find the value in it. I think anyone who does any sport (whether for fun, or to be competitive at it) has to see the only way to be better is to be pushed. That being said, I don't prefer to work with men because I think they are taking it easy on me, it is more because I am aware that it is a challenge of respect. My husband and I spar all the time, he has a reach that is just absurd to try and work around, and it's great because you have no choice but to be frustrated by it, and try and exercise a different set of skills or techniques, the last thing I want him to do is take it easy on me because I am a girl or I am his wife. No one learns by having people take it easy on them. That being said, I do feel there is a difference between someone who want's to challenge you, and someone who just has to win all the time. That was all I was trying to say. Again - I do not feel this way about all women, I really need to get over the rotten apples who have spoiled my taste. And if anything I appreciate you ladies bringing this idea of mine to my attention. Again, we all need to be challenged.
BTW - Mad respect on the judo background!! That shit is crazy awesome!
NO I never said I feared a girl looking like a boy without long hair. I did not say that and don't believe it NOR give a shit if someone thinks that. My son has long hair. I don't give a damn if people don't like it. It is not a hang up for me. I also do not agree it is harder to deal with long hair than short hair. I've had both and longer is much easier In my opinion.
I did reread her statement, maybe I just don't understand. I also have no issues with men dressing any way they want or women dressing any way they want or any person doing what they want. Unfortunately I must have hit a button by stating what my choice is. The point that is sticky is that I said I wouldn't let a daughter cut her hair until 12 or so... then I said I was wrong I just wouldn't encourage it. It's not really that big of a deal.
Then I was misunderstood in another post regarding parenting.
I do plan to have a ceiling on how much I let my kids express themselves. If I can save them some embarrassment, that would be cool.
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I have no idea.
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EllyD14 I did not say that. My point was when you have an opinion about how you would care for a child, it changes as one actively parents a particular child. I believe I was misunderstood and my wording was poor. It really isn't a groundbreaking statement.
edit to correct call out identity
Looks like they are also called bastards. But again, this is more about the woman and commenting on her unwed status.
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Yesterday the car in front of me was swerving, speeding up and slowing down, etc. basically the driver wasn't paying attention. I changed lanes and looked over at the driver of course texting on her phone. She looked at me and I mouthed Put your fucking phone down. She rolled her window down and said you're a woman watch your language. So I kindly told her to fuck off.
? Is that weird ? I thought so. Of course I was pissed and impolite, what do you think is using foul language unwomanly? Would you be considered "more" of a woman if you didn't cuss? Is it stereotyping to say women shouldn't cuss? Now I'm even more intrigued
----------------------------------fucking quotes----------------------------------------------------------You really don't get gender stereotyping, do you? SMH
2) I had that 80s young kid modified bowl cut until I was about 7. It was easier for my mom to deal with than trying to do my baby fine tangle prone hair when I was super tender headed. Especially because there just wasn't the time in the mornings. I was always super jealous of my BFFs thick hair that her mother did every morning in braids or pigtails or bows. Also, my mom just prefers short hair on me to this day. I don't have it now, but my hair looks better long now than it has in years.
I definitely love me some bows (and eyelet and smoking and monograms, I'm Southern, what can I say?), but if a girl child doesn't want them I'm not going to force them. Also, my brother has the most amazing hair. He changed his hair all through high school and it's been to his shoulders (with a tiny ponytail holding back the front of it) and buzzed off. My mom never really cared unless he got called in for dress code violations (Catholic school).
3) My UO: I really hate texting when a call would take care of something faster. Or texting me and asking me to call you at another time, Mother (makes me nuts, especially when there's other stuff going on, just call me then and we'll talk, or call me tomorrow, and don't be vague).
We have a couple who are friends of H and I's who are the worst at this. We'll set up a time/place to meet them the night before (I don't mind texting for this because it can be done at leisure) and then the day of they want to change plans, but not just say 'We'd like to do x or eat at y instead' oh no, they want to have a whole new conversation about what we would prefer. I told you what we preferred last night. So if you're changing stuff, then make that executive decision, but trying to make it while we're in the car (I'm the one doing this because H is driving) and it's taking you minutes at a time to text back is ridiculous. Call me, this is a two minute conversation vs. 10 minutes of hem and hawing texts.
Me-31, H-27
**Loss 1-Cycle 7(June 2013) at 5w6d-CP**Loss 2-Cycle 11(October 2013) at 5w4d-CP**
**Loss 3-Cycle 14 (January-February 2014)-M/C dx 2/10, EP dx 2/24, MTX 2/25**
Beta Hell--hCG finally down to 0 - 6/20/14
SA normal. Genetic testing normal. Hormonal testing normal.
HSG 6/30/14 - found blocked left tube and 2 'bubbles' on uterine wall.
Hysteroscopy/Lap--8/4/14 - Tubes unblocked. Polyps removed from uterine wall. Septum removed.
9/30/14--Off the bench! Unmedicated TI through December 2014
BFP 12/14/14!!! Beta #1, 12/16: 990 Beta #2, 12/18: Over 2000! Beta #3, 12/22: over 8000!
U/S #1, 12/23: gestational sac, possible heartbeat
U/S #2, 12/30: HEARTBEAT! 128bpm, measuring right on at 7w EDD: 8/19/2015
U/S #3, 1/9: BPM in the 180s, IT'S HAPPENING!!!
? no I guess I don't I'm trying to figure out if by me cussing she was ok to say that about me being a woman? I truly must not understand. I don't think me cussing has anything to do with me being a woman. I was so aggravated by an adult saying that to me while they were playing with a cell phone while driving.
edit to add this: "of course texting"...do you think I'm remarking bc of her being a woman? I wasn't.
Me-31, H-27
**Loss 1-Cycle 7(June 2013) at 5w6d-CP**Loss 2-Cycle 11(October 2013) at 5w4d-CP**
**Loss 3-Cycle 14 (January-February 2014)-M/C dx 2/10, EP dx 2/24, MTX 2/25**
Beta Hell--hCG finally down to 0 - 6/20/14
SA normal. Genetic testing normal. Hormonal testing normal.
HSG 6/30/14 - found blocked left tube and 2 'bubbles' on uterine wall.
Hysteroscopy/Lap--8/4/14 - Tubes unblocked. Polyps removed from uterine wall. Septum removed.
9/30/14--Off the bench! Unmedicated TI through December 2014
BFP 12/14/14!!! Beta #1, 12/16: 990 Beta #2, 12/18: Over 2000! Beta #3, 12/22: over 8000!
U/S #1, 12/23: gestational sac, possible heartbeat
U/S #2, 12/30: HEARTBEAT! 128bpm, measuring right on at 7w EDD: 8/19/2015
U/S #3, 1/9: BPM in the 180s, IT'S HAPPENING!!!
I hate when people do this. If I'm just calling to chat, I DGAF. But if we said we were going to hang out Saturday, fucking answer the phone when I call you Friday. Otherwise, I'm making other plans. My H has a friend who does this all the time. It's so inconsiderate and drives me crazy.
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If they don't answer when you call Friday about your Saturday plans, it's probably because they are busy with their Friday plans... Why can't you just send a text quickly that says 'hey just wanted to confirm tomorrow'?
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Maybe. I think it could be that I feel like women have ownership of that word too and men have no business using it. It's like, for example, my dear friend who is gay who tosses around the other F word. I feel like that's fine for him but I'm super pissed when I hear other people use it. I don't know, I'm still working this out in my head. I'd like to stop saying bitch all the time like I'm freaking Jesse Pinkman, but I haven't found a replacement I like as much.
I feel the same way. Usually wait until is followed by some major life shake up. You have kids, you are out of college, you are 20 years older than you are now, etc. It's possible that my opinions won't have changed, but I've had enough times where my thoughts have changed that I'm open to the possibility.
That being said, I think some people use that phrase to pretend they know it all. And know better than you.
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I feel like any double standard in speech is more trouble than it's worth. I get that it's trendy, but to me - if I call a woman a bitch, it's because she is in fact a bitch. My dearest friends I call "lovely" or "beautiful" I even have a friend who refers to me as "babe". THESE are terms of endearment that are meant to be empowering - if we are not empowering those who are nearest and dearest to us then we need to re-think our outlook in friends. That and I think it's immature, we are not 15 years old getting away with curse words for the first time - we are adults, and calling one another a bitch just because we can makes us sound like we are in high-school. Don't get me wrong, I curse like a mother-fucking sailor, am I sorry? No. Do I think it's unlady-like? Eh - ok a bit. But if I am going to drop those words, you can bet your sweet ass they are going to be words that make me and mine sound like adults, not fucking teeny- boppers.