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angelsnight

Today is Thursday right?  Let's hear 'em!

angelsnight

They were talking about this on the radio the other day....I don't think it's ok to watch sexually explicity shows/movies in public where others can see your screen.  Example, the DJ was at the gym and he noticed the woman next to him was watching Orange is the New Black on her Ipad and a sex scene came up.

I don't think it matters that it is a hit popular show, not everyone around you wants to see that.  It's one thing if you're watching something that you don't know has a scene like that and you cover the screen, but anyone who has watched more than one episode knows what kind of scenes are in it.

I love OITNB but I don't think out in public is the appropriate place to watch it.  Most of the callers thought the DJ was being uptight that he thought it was inappropriate but I agreed with him.

kstar83

angelsnight said:

They were talking about this on the radio the other day....I don't think it's ok to watch sexually explicity shows/movies in public where others can see your screen.  Example, the DJ was at the gym and he noticed the woman next to him was watching Orange is the New Black on her Ipad and a sex scene came up.

I don't think it matters that it is a hit popular show, not everyone around you wants to see that.  It's one thing if you're watching something that you don't know has a scene like that and you cover the screen, but anyone who has watched more than one episode knows what kind of scenes are in it.

I love OITNB but I don't think out in public is the appropriate place to watch it.  Most of the callers thought the DJ was being uptight that he thought it was inappropriate but I agreed with him.

I dunno. Don't be nosey? I mean as long as they have headphones on and aren't subjecting you to it, I don't really see the problem? I mean we are talking on like an iPad or something right? So you don't HAVE to look. It's not like they are playing it on a big screen.

On the other hand. I can't stand people having extended phone conversations in public. I don't know why it bothers me so much but it does. I don't want to hear about all the details of your life. Especially explicit ones. While you are walking around a store with your kid. I am judging you. Pay attention to your kid, and talk about that wild party at a more appropriate time.

Edit: I admit I haven't seen the show, and I am pretty sure I draw the line before pron, so maybe it IS that bad and I am niave.

TX08Aggie

I should be able to go to the bathroom all by myself.  That seems to be a very unpopular opinion around here.  My 2 year old thinks she needs to be there to tell me what to do.  The cat thinks he needs to rub on me.  It's exciting when DH is home and I can go all by myself!  Wait... he knocks on the door and asks me stuff.  Really?  Can I just pee in peace?

clo1982

I'm with @kstar83‌ . If it was a big screen or a public tv id say ok, I get it. But an iPad or phone...if someone said something I would probably say I wasn't playing it for them to view so just don't look. I am making the assumption that they are wearing headphones? If not, that's just plain rude; but it is equally rude no matter what they are watching or listening to. Actually if it was at the gym I would be super irritated that someone was staring at my phone screen no matter what I was doing! It would be a mind-your-own-business feeling across the board!

Saraeay

I agree with @angelsnight I don't feel like that's appropriate in public.

I was on a flight in the middle seat and dosed off. When I woke I wanted to peer out the window and the guy next to me was looking at 99% naked pics of a girl on his phone. I got up to go to the bathroom and had DH switch seats with me when I got back! I was so uncomfortable when I realized what he was looking at... Ugh

nlane0723

I love sanitizing bottles.

angelsnight

I have another....I hate when people are snobs about certain books and TV shows/movies.  My SIL absolutely hates 50 shades of grey (and Twilight).  That's fine, to each their own, but she thinks it needs to be banished to the fiery depths of the library hell (I'm paraphrasing her here) and I know she must judge me a little because I like it.

She says it's not even about the smut, just how poorly written it is.  OK, I admit, the author is no award winner, and yes sometimes her constant over use of certain words annoy me.  But overall I found it an entertaining read and I've read each one more than once.  I see nothing wrong with reading something from time to time that doesn't require brain activity.  Just like PLL, I just got into it and I'm hooked.  Is it the best written and acted show?  No, but when I get home from work I love to just plop down and binge watch. 

kstar83

ChalupMama said:

I hate that Britney Spears crop tops are back in style. Not that I am in the age range to wear one (nor do I want to show everyone my striped stomach) but this will lead to every top coming up a few inches. I really loved when all the tops were long, especially tanks and camis. Bending over with the assurance that you're lower back or crack wouldn't hang out was nice. Maybe this is just a tall girl with long torso problem . :-?

I did love this about maternity shirts, they were all long! Now with my gigantor feed bags (AKA boobs) I feel like every shirt hits right above my PP pooch. 

lalaith50

kstar83 said:

ChalupMama said:

I hate that Britney Spears crop tops are back in style. Not that I am in the age range to wear one (nor do I want to show everyone my striped stomach) but this will lead to every top coming up a few inches. I really loved when all the tops were long, especially tanks and camis. Bending over with the assurance that you're lower back or crack wouldn't hang out was nice. Maybe this is just a tall girl with long torso problem . :-?

I did love this about maternity shirts, they were all long! Now with my gigantor feed bags (AKA boobs) I feel like every shirt hits right above my PP pooch. 

I am still loving (and wearing!) the target maternity t shirts for this reason! They do not look maternity, but are so wonderfully long!!!

BethRN1987

I will continue to wear maternity shirts for that reason. Ahhh heaven

angelsnight

dotgirl2 said:

angelsnight said:

I have another....I hate when people are snobs about certain books and TV shows/movies.  My SIL absolutely hates 50 shades of grey (and Twilight).  That's fine, to each their own, but she thinks it needs to be banished to the fiery depths of the library hell (I'm paraphrasing her here) and I know she must judge me a little because I like it.

She says it's not even about the smut, just how poorly written it is.  OK, I admit, the author is no award winner, and yes sometimes her constant over use of certain words annoy me.  But overall I found it an entertaining read and I've read each one more than once.  I see nothing wrong with reading something from time to time that doesn't require brain activity.  Just like PLL, I just got into it and I'm hooked.  Is it the best written and acted show?  No, but when I get home from work I love to just plop down and binge watch. 

I don't like any of the things you mentioned, but I totally agree with you. If someone doesn't like it, just don't read/watch it.No need to act like no one should read/watch. 

Which beings me to your other UO -- if you don't like what someone next to you in the gym or wherever is watching, just don't watch it. I assume they have earphones in, and aren't shoving it in your face. Just don't look over at them. 

I see your point and if it can only be seen because someone is purposefully rubbernecking then yeah, just don't look if you're offended.  But at the gym on the treadmills, I can see how it could be seen (especially if it's a bigger screen) without actually intending to.  I guess the way I see it is, I work in a cube farm and I would assume nobody would think it is ok to watch OITNB at work, so why is it appropriate elsewhere in public?  I mean, I would totally watch PLL at work, but not anything like OITNB, Game of Thrones, True Blood, etc.

clo1982

@Jennibeanjld‌ I would tell her not to look (for reference I have a 3 year old so this isn't hypothetical). In the same way I tell her it isn't appropriate to just stare at people like kids tend to do, I would tell her it's not appropriate to stare at things other people are holding. If it was truly bad I would move her or change her position so it wasn't in plain sight. I don't think anyone should be expected to change what they are doing because I have my kid around. If she has questions, I would answer them in a way that is appropriate for her age or maturity level.


My uo is that I hate cold coffee or iced coffee. I love LOVE hot coffee.

clo1982

I would love to shelter her from things that aren't age appropriate. Unfortunately it's totally impossible whether it's a commercial on tv, a song on the radio, a conversation on a bus or a book cover in target...inappropriate stuff is absolutely everywhere. Believe me you will get very creative with your responses when they ask you a tough question!

And yeah if someone is watching sex scenes in a kids area, they are probably going to hear it from someone pretty quickly! Chances are good that they are a weirdo anyway if that's the case!

AshleyO925

So after 6 years of college to become a teacher, I am not underpaid making 30k a year before taxes? I would have to disagree with that one.

nlane0723

bsouls said:

My UO comes from the "whose job is worse" discussion:

I don't think you're underpaid.

People always talk about not making enough money for the job they do. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say, "wow, my boss pays me way more than I'm worth." Companies would pay more, if they couldn't fill the job. It is what it is. Every job has good and bad points.

Teachers are very, very underpaid. And anyone who doesn't agree is a twatwaffle.

AshleyO925

bsouls said:

I do think teachers are under appreciated, but since I rarely hear people championing an increase in taxes in order to pay more - so, they're paid what the budget allows.

I also believe people often make poor choices in colleges and degrees. Like, I got through college with minimal debt by choosing a cheaper school and working full time.

Teachers always talked about how little they were paid when I went to school. So, I don't think anyone goes into the profession unaware. I guess I could see people being naive about how far 30-40k a year goes.

So basically no one should become a teacher then? Because we made bad choices about college degrees? And I am by no means naive so I resent that statement. I went into teaching because I love what I do, but anyone who doesn't think we are underpaid is, as @nlane0723‌ said, a twatwaffle. Who do you expect to educate your children if all teachers decided to make a different choice of college major?

nlane0723

bsouls said:

I do think teachers are under appreciated, but since I rarely hear people championing an increase in taxes in order to pay more - so, they're paid what the budget allows.

I also believe people often make poor choices in colleges and degrees. Like, I got through college with minimal debt by choosing a cheaper school and working full time.

Teachers always talked about how little they were paid when I went to school. So, I don't think anyone goes into the profession unaware. I guess I could see people being naive about how far 30-40k a year goes.

You do realize how asinine your statement is RE: choosing degrees. If people didn't choose to become teachers, nobody would teach our children. Are you seriously that dense?

AriaAmante143

I guess since educators picked the wrong degree in college we should just pick a new, better paying career and let anyone and everyone teach your children? Let's hire Joe Schmo off the street for minimum wage to teach your kid math. No one would complain then, right?

Same goes with nursing.

clo1982

If a person is blindsided by the pay scale in their CHOSEN field, that person should have done more research before choosing that path. I'm not a twatwaffle either.

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AshleyO925

When I decided to become a teacher there were yearly pay raises and tenure and it was a critical need area. The state I lived in also paid highly. So yes I did my research. Now there are no jobs in my state so I work in NC. Where I will make 30k for 5 years straight before getting a 1k a year raise. On top of that, master's pay has been eliminated and there is no more tenure. I do not think it is a fair assumption to say I didn't do my research when in the past 3 years a lot of my job perks as a teacher have been taken away.

AriaAmante143

I went into teaching because I loved it. Like bandteacher, with all of my extra hours and outside classroom things (honor choir, musicals, etc) my actual hourly salary was laughable.

I do believe we are grossly underpaid. And yes, I knew that going in. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

amdecker1016

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@bandteacher

Thank you for the commitment! Even 10+years later some of my fondest memories were from marching band, concert band, symphony, and winter guard. Loved every minute of it and it really taught me more than I realized while doing it all.

So this. I loved band in school. We were a tight knit group.

Aliki

bandteacher said:

The same people who tell us to deal with our salary will be the same people who bitch because we're not going the extra mile to spend hours differentiating instruction just for their precious baby. Fuuuuck I'm angry.

They are also the same people who say we teachers should be grateful we have summers off and short work days, and that's why we are paid so little...

Also same people who say that if we don't like the profession, we should leave it; and then in the same breath, complain about the lack of good teachers due to a high attrition rate (50% of teachers leave the profession in first 5 years)..

myfriendscallmemeg

I love talking on the phone at the grocery store! It makes it so if I run into someone I know, but don't want to chat I can just wave one handed and scurry away.

It also helps pass the time.

babylimas

I have many of the same complaints as a lawyer yet people don't give a shit because it's not considered an amazing career like nursing or teaching. So I agree that nurses and teachers are underpaid but I think almost all careers are right now. There is a huge issue economics wise in our nation with the pay scale of the middle class and the rising cost of living. It's not an issue exclusive to teachers and I find the extreme need for constant teacher praise a bit trying.

wildhoney4508

I'm loving all of my former fellow band geeks!!! I had no idea! So much love over here! :x =D>

clo1982

@bandteacher‌ for the record, I said in a previous thread that I respect the hell out of teachers. My mom was and my sister is a teacher. I agree that teachers are underpaid....so are police officers, military personnel, bank tellers, security guards, Nurses...and me! I'm honestly with @babycaps‌ on this one that the woe-is-me posts about teaching are just a bit much. I truly don't think there is one profession where the individual could say 'wow I didn't think XYZ of this job would suck so much.' It's not exclusive to teachers. Do teachers get beat on a lot...yeah...does a police officer? Yep! Everyone does. So I'm not saying 'deal with your salary' as a teacher....I'm saying everyone has to 'deal with their salary' because it is what it is (annoying saying). Try to look at the positives in your job and if you hate it so much that you can't find a positive that makes it worthwhile, jump fields. Also @snow527 no I wouldn't expect anyone to throw away a degree....but your degree doesn't dictate your profession outside of a few areas. I have a ba in advertising...I work in finance. Not even close to what I studied. My dad has a gym teacher degree...he is also a corporate banker. ..my husband went to school for economics, he works in real estate finance. You need a nursing degree or teaching degree to do those jobs but you don't need a finance/marketing/whatever else degree to work in another field.

clo1982

Sorry about the lack of paragraphs...my iPad is a little wonky with spacing!

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clo1982

bandteacher said:

If a person is blindsided by the pay scale in their CHOSEN field, that person should have done more research before choosing that path. I'm not a twatwaffle either.

How many of us chose to get pregnant and were blindsided by the amount of work and stress it is to be a parent versus the perception before we had babies?

I forgot to comment on this one. Truthfully I think this comparison is a bit ridiculous. If parenting blindsided you with the amount of work, you can't walk away (I suppose you could but we will assume that isn't the case). If your job is truly too much, it's perfectly acceptable to change careers. It's a pain in the ass to do so, but a teacher is no more stuck in their profession than I am in mine. Parenting is a lifelong commitment and obligation (again making assumptions here) regardless of preconceived notions....a job is not.

mfarmer0811

No teacher goes into the profession for the money. Some get into it for summers/winter/ spring break, and the insurance and those are the people that typically make bad teachers.
But, for the most part, teachers are highly underpaid, but they stick with it because when it comes down to it, knowing you are making a difference in just one child's life is worth it!
I taught for 6 years and I'm going to take a few years off to be a SAHM, but I will probably go back someday, because I love it!

And, I'm really sad I didn't get to experience band in high school. When I was in middle school, the band director made a pass at me, so I quit. But my DH was in band in high school and college, and if it weren't for band/music, we would have never met!! Band kids ROCK!!

Eta: I have fat thumbs.

mamamia866

wildhoney4508 said:

I'm loving all of my former fellow band geeks!!! I had no idea! So much love over here! :x =D>

Saxophone over here!!! I loved marching band and concert band, best years of my life.

On the not enough pay note: I don't believe all teachers complain about being underpaid. I almost went into education, until I realized I was going to be paying off my student loans until after retirement. But like pp's have said, teachers don't go into the profession for the money, and they are underpaid, especially for the amount of education you need now to make 30k. I think they have a right to complain. And it's not a "poor choice" to become a teacher. I think what other bumpies are saying was that was a "poor choice" of words.

babylimas

I was asked to leave band. And I quote "Kate is killing her instrument."

clo1982

Honestly @bandteacher you have legitimate gripes in your second paragraph. No doubt. However as I read each and every question I instantly was able to come up with a question related to my industry that mirrored yours. Every single question. I'm not going to list them out (unless you want me to just for proof!) but I think these are so all-encompassing for you because it's your personal reality. But the truth of it is that a lot of what you are saying can be mapped right over onto any other industry. One example I will throw out...people in my job get fired when their client's business goes under...they had nothing to do with it and couldn't have stopped it..often there was no way they even would have known about it to get the bank out...but it cost the bank money so something has to be done.

Again I'm not discounting the shit you take in your job. It sucks and it's legitimately something to complain about. Like I said before though, I think most people can empathize but, for me, I just can't sympathize.

babylimas

bandteacher said:

For those who argue that other professions are underpaid as well and teachers don't have it any worse, I will halfway agree. Many other careers don't pay enough.

However, how many of you have politicians creating evaluation systems who don't even have training or experience in your field? How many of you continually see your profession in the news for negative reasons? Everyone and their brother thinks they can do my job. You don't see dentists getting fired because their patients get cavities. You don't see the dentists' names being published with data of how many of their patients got cavities.

You are right, other professions may not have those very specific problems. Yet other professions have plenty of other problems that teachers don't have. Dentists are told every single day how much they are hated and how mean they are. Not exactly a pleasing job situation. I bet teachers don't have an entire genre of greeting cards devoted to making fun of how much they suck. Yay lawyers! And I can guarantee lawyers are destroyed in the media for unfair reasons just as much. My point isn't to compare professions but to show how pointless comparing is. Negative things can be found about every profession.

katykatykaty

bandteacher said:

You know why no one is willing to pay the taxes to pay educators a salary that truly compensates their work? It's because we live in a culture of teacher bashing and blaming us for the failures of students. 

I have never heard anyone bash teachers and think that's a little extreme.  As people have said, teachers (and nurses) are generally well-respected, and I'm sure most people wish those professions paid better.  

I think many people aren't willing to pay higher taxes in general, not because they don't like teachers.  I am all for higher taxes to better education.  

mamamia866

bsouls said:

I do think teachers are under appreciated, but since I rarely hear people championing an increase in taxes in order to pay more - so, they're paid what the budget allows.

I also believe people often make poor choices in colleges and degrees. Like, I got through college with minimal debt by choosing a cheaper school and working full time.

Teachers always talked about how little they were paid when I went to school. So, I don't think anyone goes into the profession unaware. I guess I could see people being naive about how far 30-40k a year goes.

Not to beat a dead horse, buuuuut...

Notice the part where you said poor choices in colleges and degrees. And then notice the next paragraph where you use teachers as a example. That kind if looks like singling out. Just sayin'.

BethRN1987

I'm a nurse.

I wish I got paid more.

However I wouldn't do anything else- I ENJOY going to my job.

Married to a teacher - he deserves to be paid more on the pure fact that he is there from 630am-5pm m-f. Yep 55 hrs ATLEAST - where is his overtime? And that doesn't include all the time he puts into coaching.

Back to nursing- I am really scared to see how this no payment if xyz isn't meet. Example. Patient is not compliant . Goes home doesn't take medications EVEN though we supplied them with them before they left AND made sure they had a doctor appoinent to follow up. So since their heart doesn't work efficiently and they didn't take their meds they are back in hospital by day 25. Well that's before 30 days and if you have a re admission within 30 days hospital eats the cost of the ENTIRE stay because somehow this is the nurses and doctors fault?!!!!

Maybe that was a vent

mamamia866

@BethRN1987‌ it's always the nurse's fault (sarcasm). I feel like in this situation, VNA services would've been appropriate, at least to make sure the patient takes the stinkin meds!! This kind if stuff makes me mad. Do insurance companies think docs/nurses just aren't doing their job? Isn't that why everyone makes such a big deal about documentation!! That makes me so mad for you!