October 2014 Moms

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  • vrj0522 said:
    I believe in toddler leashes. 
    This is not a UO on TB. I've seen people drop the opposite in Parenting and get burned at the stake.
    I don't understand why people are so vehemently against them. It's not like a dog leash where you harness it around your child's neck. All it is is a mechanism to keep your child close by you. They don't bother me at all.





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  • I wouldn't know it was World Cup time if it wasn't for the occasional FB post by someone.  I could not care less about it.  Soccer is stupid, boring and I don't get the rabid fans...what the heck?
    Haha! Not sure I feel that strongly about Soccer - but I'm not really into it and I'm a big sports person - love football and baseball. I think I feel like its just a fad and that people who don't really care about sports are into it just because its popular right now. That's not really for me.

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  • Di_126 said:

    I believe in breast feeding as long as it's mutually accepted between mom and child. Wasn't aware this was unpopular until family members told me that this was weird/bad/etc.
    What? They think it's weird that you'd want to BF or that it's weird if it's not mutually accepted?
    I am confused by this as well.  I don't understand the mutually accepted part I guess.    :-??
    I'm guessing - and if I'm wrong, please correct me, that what @Di_126 is talking about is breast feeding beyond the average 1 year. I had a close friend breast feed her son for 2 years (which is the recommended amt of time by the WHO apparently) and I know some mutual friends thought it was very strange. I try not to judge - so I just asked her about it and she explained and her reasons sounded pretty reasonable to me. There might be an age where it does start to get a little strange, but thinking that's a personal decision for each mom.

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  • vrj0522 said:
    I believe in toddler leashes. 
    This is not a UO on TB. I've seen people drop the opposite in Parenting and get burned at the stake.
    I don't understand why people are so vehemently against them. It's not like a dog leash where you harness it around your child's neck. All it is is a mechanism to keep your child close by you. They don't bother me at all.
    This has come up before on this board and I'll say what I said before. I am not against them because I get why people do use them, but unless I have a runner, I am not going to use them. Honestly, the only reason I understand why some people use them is because of what I saw on Parenting. 

    As a FTM, I do have some judgy thoughts and I really don't think I will truly understand (insert judgy thing here) until I go through it myself. That has been a hard lesson to learn, but I am trying not to be judgy because I have literally no basis for being judgmental.

    (How many times can I use judgy, which isn't even a word, in a sentence? It's like I don't have access to my mental thesaurus, let alone my mental dictionary. Need more coffee)

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  • What are people with ebt cards suppose to look like? Must they look sloppy for it to be acceptable for them to use the benefits they qualify for? I get my name brand cloths through second hand stores or sites like liketwice.com. I don't understand judging by appearences.
    definitely not! but having your nails done, with your brand new phone and your kid isn't dressed equally as well- not ok. Which I've witnessed quite a bit working at a grocery store through high school/college. I know there are always instances where sometimes you need a little help in life, I've definitely been there myself. I've also had friends who were on food stamps and I've done things like take them to the grocery store so I'm sure I got the side eye for all of my expensive crap!
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  • Here's one that will maybe spice things up: I don't believe Walmart or fast-food employees deserve to be paid $15/hr, or however much it is they're currently arguing for.
    Oh yeah! I am with you here.  When you go through a drive through and they can not get the ONE item I ordered correct I don't see why you deserve $15.00 an hour....

    DH and I grabbed a snack at McD's a week or so ago, and it was an ordeal, the girl at the window couldn't get anything together.... DH simply said "Yup, you definitely deserve $15.00 an hour."  
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  • Emerald27Emerald27 member
    edited June 2014

    Whoops. They think it's weird to breastfeed past age 1.

    I promise that your baby does not find breastfeeding past a year weird (since you mentioned in your OP that it should be mutually accepted - so you find it weird for the mom who loves nursing her 1+yo and the toddler who mutually loves the connection and health benefits too?).

    Breastfeeding and breast milk don't magically lose their value at the arbitrary age of one, either. It remains immunologically, nutritionally, and emotionally beneficial for as long as the child has the need and desire for it:

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    I'm not in a good mood today so I should probably step away from this thread before I get all pissy.

    ETA: The WHO (world health organization) recommends exclusive breastfeeding for at least the first 6 months, and continued breastfeeding for a minimum of 2 YEARS. The WHO. So is this weird?!
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  • vrj0522 said:

    I believe in toddler leashes. 

    This is not a UO on TB. I've seen people drop the opposite in Parenting and get burned at the stake.

    I don't understand why people are so vehemently against them. It's not like a dog leash where you harness it around your child's neck. All it is is a mechanism to keep your child close by you. They don't bother me at all.



    This has come up before on this board and I'll say what I said before. I am not against them because I get why people do use them, but unless I have a runner, I am not going to use them. Honestly, the only reason I understand why some people use them is because of what I saw on Parenting. 

    As a FTM, I do have some judgy thoughts and I really don't think I will truly understand (insert judgy thing here) until I go through it myself. That has been a hard lesson to learn, but I am trying not to be judgy because I have literally no basis for being judgmental.

    (How many times can I use judgy, which isn't even a word, in a sentence? It's like I don't have access to my mental thesaurus, let alone my mental dictionary. Need more coffee)


    A lot may change once you have a toddler that wants to go go go. I guess to me, the thought of losing my child or having them taken from me, trumps the fucks I could give of what strangers think of a leash/backpack.





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  • rae76rae76 member
    I can't stand it when a pregnant woman talks about the baby/pregnancy nonstop in real life.  Yes it's important but there are other important things that have to be going on in your life and the world around you.  No one wants to hear about baby related things all day long.
  • Ill take it a step further than the no leggings in public rule and say that I have a strict rule against sweatpants in public unless you are actively exercising. I don't think it's so hard to toss a pair of jeans or shorts on. It just shows more respect to others when you get dressed. However, I have broken this rule once in the past several years... and it wad yesterday when I wore yoga capris to get a pedicure. Pregnancy is making me soft.
    I don't think athletic apparel or yoga pants = sweat pants. I think it is fine for someone to wear their yoga pants or workout pants in public. How would you know if one is "actively" exercising? What if you are on your way to the gym and need to stop and pickup something at the store? Should they have to wear jeans just to walk into a grocery store? 
    X_X
    Nope. Its not that intense. I just mean that if you aren't wearing them for exercise, might as well toss on some other pants instead. I also realize that this is probably a personal quirk. I miss the days when people would get dressed up to go out to eat or to see a play. It seems like we've lost something by being so casual all the time.
    I agree with this, and it also applies to people who go out in pajama pants and slippers(!).  How hard is it to put on real pants/shorts/a skirt?? 
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  • Emerald27 said:
    Whoops. They think it's weird to breastfeed past age 1.
    I promise that your baby does not find breastfeeding past a year weird (since you mentioned in your OP that it should be mutually accepted - so you find it weird for the mom who loves nursing her 1+yo and the toddler who mutually loves the connection and health benefits too?). Breastfeeding and breast milk don't magically lose their value at the arbitrary age of one, either. It remains immunologically, nutritionally, and emotionally beneficial for as long as the child has the need and desire for it: Image and video hosting by TinyPic I'm not in a good mood today so I should probably step away from this thread before I get all pissy. ETA: The WHO (world health organization) recommends exclusive breastfeeding for at least the first 6 months, and continued breastfeeding for a minimum of 2 YEARS. The WHO. So is this weird?!
    First, I just want to say I think it is totally fine if someone wants to BF past a year! However, I do think at some point it's appropriate to ween off the boob...I'm talking much later than 1. If I see a kindergartner BFing, I do find it a little odd. It might not be right, but that is just my initial reaction. That being said, I really don't care. I don't get upset about it lol.





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  • Liss1481 said:
    SNIP

    Nope. Its not that intense. I just mean that if you aren't wearing them for exercise, might as well toss on some other pants instead. I also realize that this is probably a personal quirk. I miss the days when people would get dressed up to go out to eat or to see a play. It seems like we've lost something by being so casual all the time.
    I agree with this, and it also applies to people who go out in pajama pants and slippers(!).  How hard is it to put on real pants/shorts/a skirt?? 
    Along these lines is people on an airplane. You paid $300+ for your ticket and you can't put on some actual pants? Why? And maybe my certain situation makes me feel that way but that just bugs me.
    Because airplanes are uncomfortable from the start and damn it I'm wearing yoga pants!
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  • Emerald27 said:
    Whoops. They think it's weird to breastfeed past age 1.
    I promise that your baby does not find breastfeeding past a year weird (since you mentioned in your OP that it should be mutually accepted - so you find it weird for the mom who loves nursing her 1+yo and the toddler who mutually loves the connection and health benefits too?). Breastfeeding and breast milk don't magically lose their value at the arbitrary age of one, either. It remains immunologically, nutritionally, and emotionally beneficial for as long as the child has the need and desire for it: Image and video hosting by TinyPic I'm not in a good mood today so I should probably step away from this thread before I get all pissy. ETA: The WHO (world health organization) recommends exclusive breastfeeding for at least the first 6 months, and continued breastfeeding for a minimum of 2 YEARS. The WHO. So is this weird?!
    I think this might be a regional thing. I live in the Midwest, and here most babies are breastfed til around 6 months, at the MOST a year. My best friend's aunt lived in California and breastfed her kids longer, I think til around 2 years/toddler age. I remember it being brought up once in conversation and we got all saucer-eyed like "Really? That is so weird!" (I was in high school at the time, btw). Now I truly don't think it's gross or anything, and I understand there are real health benefits to it, but I think the level of acceptance depends on where you live. Here in the Midwest, if I were to bf my kid until he was 2 years old, I know there would be plenty side-eyeing and whispers about it. If I lived on one of the coastal regions, then perhaps not.
  • Liss1481 said:
    Ill take it a step further than the no leggings in public rule and say that I have a strict rule against sweatpants in public unless you are actively exercising. I don't think it's so hard to toss a pair of jeans or shorts on. It just shows more respect to others when you get dressed. However, I have broken this rule once in the past several years... and it wad yesterday when I wore yoga capris to get a pedicure. Pregnancy is making me soft.
    I don't think athletic apparel or yoga pants = sweat pants. I think it is fine for someone to wear their yoga pants or workout pants in public. How would you know if one is "actively" exercising? What if you are on your way to the gym and need to stop and pickup something at the store? Should they have to wear jeans just to walk into a grocery store? 
    X_X
    Nope. Its not that intense. I just mean that if you aren't wearing them for exercise, might as well toss on some other pants instead. I also realize that this is probably a personal quirk. I miss the days when people would get dressed up to go out to eat or to see a play. It seems like we've lost something by being so casual all the time.
    I agree with this, and it also applies to people who go out in pajama pants and slippers(!).  How hard is it to put on real pants/shorts/a skirt?? 
    Along these lines is people on an airplane. You paid $300+ for your ticket and you can't put on some actual pants? Why? And maybe my certain situation makes me feel that way but that just bugs me.

    Define "actual pants". I don't get why my $60 Nike athletic pants (aka sweats) are not an acceptable form of clothing for the grocery store.
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  • Emerald27Emerald27 member
    edited June 2014


    Emerald27 said:

    Whoops. They think it's weird to breastfeed past age 1.

    I promise that your baby does not find breastfeeding past a year weird (since you mentioned in your OP that it should be mutually accepted - so you find it weird for the mom who loves nursing her 1+yo and the toddler who mutually loves the connection and health benefits too?).

    Breastfeeding and breast milk don't magically lose their value at the arbitrary age of one, either. It remains immunologically, nutritionally, and emotionally beneficial for as long as the child has the need and desire for it:

    I'm not in a good mood today so I should probably step away from this thread before I get all pissy.

    ETA: The WHO (world health organization) recommends exclusive breastfeeding for at least the first 6 months, and continued breastfeeding for a minimum of 2 YEARS. The WHO. So is this weird?!

    From the original post, I assumed OP had no problems BFing for as long as she wanted and so long as her LO hadn't self-weened.  It was her family who was judging her for thinking about BFing beyond a year.  At no point was I under the impression that OP personally thought it was strange to BF beyond a year or that she had no desire to do so.  I totally got the vibe that she intended to continue breastfeeding for an extended period of time, but her family was against it.

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    @AppleGrapeMSTK‌ Thanks for setting me straight, and kudos for good reading skills. Emeraldfail. I jumped the gun. :P

    Sorry, @DaniGrace89‌! Feel free to share the WHO rec with your family if they bug you.

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  • mel689 said:
    Liss1481 said:
    Ill take it a step further than the no leggings in public rule and say that I have a strict rule against sweatpants in public unless you are actively exercising. I don't think it's so hard to toss a pair of jeans or shorts on. It just shows more respect to others when you get dressed. However, I have broken this rule once in the past several years... and it wad yesterday when I wore yoga capris to get a pedicure. Pregnancy is making me soft.
    I don't think athletic apparel or yoga pants = sweat pants. I think it is fine for someone to wear their yoga pants or workout pants in public. How would you know if one is "actively" exercising? What if you are on your way to the gym and need to stop and pickup something at the store? Should they have to wear jeans just to walk into a grocery store? 
    X_X
    Nope. Its not that intense. I just mean that if you aren't wearing them for exercise, might as well toss on some other pants instead. I also realize that this is probably a personal quirk. I miss the days when people would get dressed up to go out to eat or to see a play. It seems like we've lost something by being so casual all the time.
    I agree with this, and it also applies to people who go out in pajama pants and slippers(!).  How hard is it to put on real pants/shorts/a skirt?? 
    Along these lines is people on an airplane. You paid $300+ for your ticket and you can't put on some actual pants? Why? And maybe my certain situation makes me feel that way but that just bugs me.

    Define "actual pants". I don't get why my $60 Nike athletic pants (aka sweats) are not an acceptable form of clothing for the grocery store.
    Pfft I wear mine to the store. They aren't that nice either!  
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  • Nicb13 said:
    vrj0522 said:
    Let's hear them! 



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  • Here's one that will maybe spice things up: I don't believe Walmart or fast-food employees deserve to be paid $15/hr, or however much it is they're currently arguing for.
    How much would you think would be fair?
    I know minimum wage differs state to state, so I suppose it's not an easy blanket answer. I would say maybe around $9-$10, but I live in Wisconsin so the cost of living here isn't as high as say, California. Here, $15 sounds awfully high for that kind of work. I have a college degree, work in a leadership position for a small company, and I barely make $15/hr. I would be pretty annoyed if a Walmart cashier or McD's burger flipper was making more than me, that's all.
    Yes, this should be by location...living in cities like SF and NY I could never figure out how people survived on minimum wage...rent for my studio 10 year ago was $1200 a month in SF! 
    noonandj04 have you ever looked to see how much your position pays in other parts of the country? I am sure it could be possibly double depending on where. 
    Cost of living in the area should determine all wages in my opinion.
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  • MrMrsandBabyMrMrsandBaby member
    edited June 2014
    Emerald27 said:
    Whoops. They think it's weird to breastfeed past age 1.
    I promise that your baby does not find breastfeeding past a year weird (since you mentioned in your OP that it should be mutually accepted - so you find it weird for the mom who loves nursing her 1+yo and the toddler who mutually loves the connection and health benefits too?). Breastfeeding and breast milk don't magically lose their value at the arbitrary age of one, either. It remains immunologically, nutritionally, and emotionally beneficial for as long as the child has the need and desire for it:  I'm not in a good mood today so I should probably step away from this thread before I get all pissy. ETA: The WHO (world health organization) recommends exclusive breastfeeding for at least the first 6 months, and continued breastfeeding for a minimum of 2 YEARS. The WHO. So is this weird?!
    I think this might be a regional thing. I live in the Midwest, and here most babies are breastfed til around 6 months, at the MOST a year. My best friend's aunt lived in California and breastfed her kids longer, I think til around 2 years/toddler age. I remember it being brought up once in conversation and we got all saucer-eyed like "Really? That is so weird!" (I was in high school at the time, btw). Now I truly don't think it's gross or anything, and I understand there are real health benefits to it, but I think the level of acceptance depends on where you live. Here in the Midwest, if I were to bf my kid until he was 2 years old, I know there would be plenty side-eyeing and whispers about it. If I lived on one of the coastal regions, then perhaps not.
    I'm not buying that it is regional...I'm in the mid-west too and haven't noticed any sort of pattern to how long moms BF.  I have a very good friend who did it past 2 and another who only did it a few months.  I think it is a personal thing.

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  • VCGolfNYC said:
    VCGolfNYC said:
    I eye roll every post that begins with "hello mammas".
    @VCGolfNYC Why?
    @purplehippo19

    There's something about the word that just strikes me as juvenile; it's hard to explain.  And I'm uncomfortable being referred to as "mamma" (gosh that word makes me shudder) at this point in time.
    I think "mama" or "mamma" looks juvenile because I want to say it like an annoying doll... but I say "Momma" all the time with a nicer sound.  That's what DD calls me :)
    You've probably rolled your eyes at a lot of my posts :P hahaha.
    My DD calls me Mama... we only speak Spanish to each other so that is the appropriate word... but I do get annoyed sometimes when adult women use it with each other (especially since that is what I call my mother)...
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  • Di_126 said:

    Di_126 said:

    I believe in breast feeding as long as it's mutually accepted between mom and child. Wasn't aware this was unpopular until family members told me that this was weird/bad/etc.
    What? They think it's weird that you'd want to BF or that it's weird if it's not mutually accepted?
    I am confused by this as well.  I don't understand the mutually accepted part I guess.    :-??
    I'm guessing - and if I'm wrong, please correct me, that what @Di_126 is talking about is breast feeding beyond the average 1 year. I had a close friend breast feed her son for 2 years (which is the recommended amt of time by the WHO apparently) and I know some mutual friends thought it was very strange. I try not to judge - so I just asked her about it and she explained and her reasons sounded pretty reasonable to me. There might be an age where it does start to get a little strange, but thinking that's a personal decision for each mom.
    @atraveller I believe you meant to tag @DaniGrace89.  I was the confused one ;).  I do now understand that is what she meant, however, and I agree with you that it's a personal decision.  I breastfed my DD until she was about 18 months and have no regrets.  I wouldn't care what anyone thought about that either.  My baby, my breasts, my business.
    Whoops, sorry about that :) - And I agree with you. I'm going to be a FTM and will kind of make the decision on how long as I go - no real plan in place.

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  • Ill take it a step further than the no leggings in public rule and say that I have a strict rule against sweatpants in public unless you are actively exercising. I don't think it's so hard to toss a pair of jeans or shorts on. It just shows more respect to others when you get dressed. However, I have broken this rule once in the past several years... and it wad yesterday when I wore yoga capris to get a pedicure. Pregnancy is making me soft.
    I don't think athletic apparel or yoga pants = sweat pants. I think it is fine for someone to wear their yoga pants or workout pants in public. How would you know if one is "actively" exercising? What if you are on your way to the gym and need to stop and pickup something at the store? Should they have to wear jeans just to walk into a grocery store? 
    X_X
    Nope. Its not that intense. I just mean that if you aren't wearing them for exercise, might as well toss on some other pants instead. I also realize that this is probably a personal quirk. I miss the days when people would get dressed up to go out to eat or to see a play. It seems like we've lost something by being so casual all the time.
    THIS!
    I really wish people would dress nicer when they go out to eat or to the theater or when they travel. Back in the day you got dressed up to go on a plane now it's all juicy couture sweat pants...UGH!
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  • SusieBW said:








    Ill take it a step further than the no leggings in public rule and say that I have a strict rule against sweatpants in public unless you are actively exercising. I don't think it's so hard to toss a pair of jeans or shorts on. It just shows more respect to others when you get dressed.

    However, I have broken this rule once in the past several years... and it wad yesterday when I wore yoga capris to get a pedicure. Pregnancy is making me soft.

    I don't think athletic apparel or yoga pants = sweat pants. I think it is fine for someone to wear their yoga pants or workout pants in public. How would you know if one is "actively" exercising? What if you are on your way to the gym and need to stop and pickup something at the store? Should they have to wear jeans just to walk into a grocery store? 
    X_X
    Nope. Its not that intense. I just mean that if you aren't wearing them for exercise, might as well toss on some other pants instead.

    I also realize that this is probably a personal quirk. I miss the days when people would get dressed up to go out to eat or to see a play. It seems like we've lost something by being so casual all the time.

    THIS!
    I really wish people would dress nicer when they go out to eat or to the theater or when they travel. Back in the day you got dressed up to go on a plane now it's all juicy couture sweat pants...UGH!



    But flying used to be sort of luxurious.  Now it's really just expensive public transportation.  Like riding the city bus, but on a much larger scale.  I see no reason to dress up to travel anymore.  Like someone else said, planes have become so uncomfortable and miserable (assuming you're flying coach), you might as well at least be comfortable.


    Seriously. Women also used to wear dresses every single day. No one on the plane cares ;)





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  • Nicb13 said:
    SNIP

    THIS!
    I really wish people would dress nicer when they go out to eat or to the theater or when they travel. Back in the day you got dressed up to go on a plane now it's all juicy couture sweat pants...UGH!

    Why? I mean, for real, why do you care how someone else dresses? I don't get that.
    I do wish there were some more places that kept a more upscale dress code (live theater, some more upscale restaurants, etc.) because I think it is nice to look nice for certain things.  I honestly remember being embarrassed the first time I went to an Olive Garden in jeans!  How times have changed.  I know there are plenty of places that have dress codes, but I can't afford them!

    I do think that we have gotten very casual as a society and I'm both for and against it.  I don't know...some things should be held to a higher standard (for lack of a better term - words are hard).

    Airplanes though...no way.  If the airports want me there 2 hours early (not gonna happen) to sit in uncomfortable seats waiting out the inevitable delay to then sit in more uncomfortable seats for a few hours and lug my stuff through the airport...I'm not planning on looking nice for them!
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  • So I just read this article that there's a proposed 76 million dollar plan to install a safety net under the Golden Gate Bridge to help drop the record-high suicide rate. This is bogus. I know I'm not from San Francisco so I don't really deserve a say in how the city spends its money, but really?? How about put $76 million towards programs to help people that actually want to live? If you stop dedicated people from jumping off the Golden Gate bridge, they'll just find some other way to kill themselves. This seems like such a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

  • UO: The amount of poor shaming in this thread is kind of repulsive.
    Right there with you.  It's making me really uncomfortable...

    No one has thrown out the term "welfare queen" yet but it feels like we are getting close.
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  • In regards to the breastfeeding WHO recommendation...I start by saying I am not against it at all. I actually have a very close relative that works for the organization :)

    I do want to say though the recommendation is one made for the entire world based on poverty levels in many places including the US, for mothers that are not able to provide proper nutrition to their children, therefore what is best than mother's milk?
    However if you were to decide to stop breastfeeding before 2 years and you are providing proper nutrition to your toddler that would be fine as well. I feel some women feel they have to BB for that period of time due to the recommendation or feel guilty if they are not able to BB.

    Here is the link of the entire document, is interesting reading if you have time.
    Thanks for further clarifying - I should have included that article - I kind of agree that either is fine - it really should be about what you feel most comfortable with. I've had friends who had to stop before one year because they had so many problems with feeding and they felt super guilty and don't think they should have. Myself and DH are formula babies as our mom's were part of a generation where formula was being pushed big time and the medical community was less knowledgeable on the benefits of breast feeding, and well we seemed to have turned out okay :). Comes down to personal preference and circumstance and I think the big thing and probably what the OP on this topic meant - is there shouldn't be judgement regardless.

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