GoT 5/4

Spin313

Who watched last night...?

Brienne was totally cracking me up with her facial expressions. Thank goodness for her and Podrick providing some comic relief!

Oh Littlefinger, you creepy bastard! I hope someone makes you "fly"...although I think it's more likely to be Liza or Robin.

Dany is kind of boring me...I hope she regains some cool points soon.

NeneCakies

I think this ep should be called Holy Fucking Shit. Littlefinger is up to his porny eyebrows in this war! I really underestimated him. And shit totally went down at Craster's. I couldn't look, but I saw enough. To recap that scene: whew, uh-oh, yes, uh, yikes, yes, WHOA, holy shit, barf, Jon!!

Weljadraak

Yes! Wtf!!! Littlefinger practically knocked over the first domino. Lysa be trippin!

Smootchy

WTF indeed! Talk about out of the frying pan into the fire for Sansa. That whole castle is #creepyasfuck. Robin, aunt-crazy bitch & uncle creeper. Never thought I'd say this, but Sansa might be better off with the Lannisters. I was very surprised by Cersie warming up to Margery but I guess when her ass and money are on the line, she knows who's ass to kiss.

Weljadraak

I feel sad for Sansa. I don't think she'd be better off at King's Landing because Cersei is out for blood. Ugh poor girl! She's so helpless. At first I didn't like her because she was prissy but now it's just S A D.

WillieNelsonsGardener

chapski said:

WTF indeed! Talk about out of the frying pan into the fire for Sansa. That whole castle is #creepyasfuck. Robin, aunt-crazy bitch & uncle creeper. Never thought I'd say this, but Sansa might be better off with the Lannisters. I was very surprised by Cersie warming up to Margery but I guess when her ass and money are on the line, she knows who's ass to kiss.

I think Cersei is definitely sad at what kind of person her son turned into, how she lost control of him, and that led to his death, but I don't think she was being kind towards Margery, just protecting her own interests, like you said.
The conversation between Cersei and Tywin was interesting to me, because I felt like Tywin could have yelled at any point- "but if Tywin hadn't killed Joffrey, we wouldn't be able to control the throne!" (Even though we know it wasn't Tywin.) Cersei must recognize this as well which is why her conversation with Margery was so interesting to me.
I'm glad Dany is going back. I was wondering how she was going to "liberate" all these people and they were just going to pick up, rebuild the pieces in a different way then they had before. Plus, I was getting kinda bored with her storyline as well.
We still don't know what Littlefinger's motive is with Sansa, right? Or did I miss it? @everyone
I agree the Bran story is boring and needs to get somewhere already.  

Weljadraak

Sterling13 said:

Bran's eyebrows are hard to look at. Jon Snow is still really pretty.

And can someone spell out what little finger told us? I think I got half of it but I'm not sure. Also, my phone autocorrected that to little ginger, and I will now refer to Sansa in that way.

Littlefinger played Lysa and got her to poison Jon Arryn.

Weljadraak

Favorite line though was the Hound. "Your friend's dead and Meryn Trant Is not because Meryn Trant had armor and a big fucking sword. "

NeneCakies

Weljadraak said:

Sterling13 said:

Bran's eyebrows are hard to look at. Jon Snow is still really pretty.

And can someone spell out what little finger told us? I think I got half of it but I'm not sure. Also, my phone autocorrected that to little ginger, and I will now refer to Sansa in that way.

Littlefinger played Lysa and got her to poison Jon Arryn.

An epic play at that. Her husband's death was largely blamed on the Lannisters to hide the incest. This event brought Ned to Kings Landing to stand in as hand of the king, and forced Cersei's hand in killing Robert to keep him from finding out, starting the war for the throne and separating the Starks forever!

WillieNelsonsGardener

Weljadraak said:

Favorite line though was the Hound. "Your friend's dead and Meryn Trant Is not because Meryn Trant had armor and a big fucking sword. "

I really liked that line as well! That whole conversation between the two of them was great. Is anyone else wondering if she is going to drop The Hound from her list? He's saved her ass plenty of times.

NeneCakies

Sterling13 said:

So do we think little finger saw how this was going to play out from the get go? What was in it for him when Jon Arryn died?

One step closer to Ned's wife and family for starters. I don't think that's his only motivation, but his obsession with Cat is still at play.

Smootchy

I thought Jon was the king Jamie killed to get the nickname "king slayer". Or is that the dragon family?

WillieNelsonsGardener

chapski said:

I thought Jon was the king Jamie killed to get the nickname "king slayer". Or is that the dragon family?

Dragon family.

Weljadraak

chapski said:

I thought Jon was the king Jamie killed to get the nickname "king slayer". Or is that the dragon family?

Jaime killed Aerys Targaryen

Weljadraak

Lol

FalconCrest

The Bran and Dany story lines are really boring me right now.  I was so worried that Jon Snow was going to get killed at Craster's!  

NeneCakies

mbenit4 said:

Sterling13 said:

Exactly @mbenit4‌. I don't think little finger could have possibly predicted how it all would have played out so far, but what was in it for him as he knocked over those first dominos?

I think that he did know that Ned Stark would go to Robert B about the Lannisters. He had to. Why have her write the letter then? He wanted the Starks at odds with the Lannisters.

He was going to see it all play out. Ned gets asked to be the Hand of the King. At that time, Petyr was Master of Coin in King Roebrt Baratheon's small council.

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He didn't just watch, Petyr betrayed Ned in confronting Cersei, which ended with Ned sentenced for treason. He was supposed to be banished but...you know, things happen.

Eta: quote box fail

WillieNelsonsGardener

mbenit4 said:

I don't know what his motivation is. He has said he wants what everyone else wants. Everything.

He's done a really good job of diverting everyone's attention away from him because they are so busy fighting each other.

Smootchy

WillieNelsonsGardener said:

mbenit4 said:

I don't know what his motivation is. He has said he wants what everyone else wants. Everything.

He's done a really good job of diverting everyone's attention away from him because they are so busy fighting each other.

I forget what his name is but his rival guy, the bald castrated guy... I feel like he's been under the radar lately. He was always in Little Finger's business (and little finger in his) I wonder if he is going to call notice to where Lord Little Finger's been. 

Smootchy

Yes thank you, Varys! 

WillieNelsonsGardener

mbenit4 said:

It has to be power. Petyr has to be after power all along.

It can't be love. The supposed love of his life is dead. It can't be money because everyone says he is rich. It has to be power or revenge. He can't sit on the throne himself. He is low born. But his actions started this war. So there must be something here that he wants? It can't be just revenge. He consistently comes out ahead.

Maybe he just enjoys the game and how he can manipulate so many people. He is a low borne, but through all of his actions, look how much he has "achieved." No one suspects much from him, so he just keeps playing the puppet master and gaining little by little here and there. I think he just likes playing the game.

Weljadraak

What about exposing the Lannisters? He probably didn't account for King Robert dying and Joffrey ruling, so he split until he found a way to kill Joffrey. Maybe he wants a specific family to rule or maybe something bigger in terms of power.?

LuckyDad

mbenit4 said:

Yes, the Lannisters know he is to marry Lysa. He just didn't leave right away. He even offered to marry Sansa but Tywin said no because he is low born. So Tywin married her to Tyrion.

Little finger is highborn. He's just from a minor, insignificant house. But he's still better than a knight for a marriage.

Sansa is viewed as a potential key to the North, hence everyone wants her. A male child of herd would have a potential claim to Winterfell, although we know bran and rickon are alive.

Spin313

Did Littlefinger have a position during the Targaryen rule...?

Weljadraak

LuckyDad said:

Sansa is viewed as a potential key to the North, hence everyone wants her. A male child of herd would have a potential claim to Winterfell, although we know bran and rickon are alive.

So Littlefinger has the Vale and Sansa. He's sitting pretty.

taggiecb

All I took from this episode is Jon Snow's hot factor went up a few notches for me.

MissyC979

I thought Littlefinger arranged all of this and married Lysa so he could become a "real" lord, with a castle. It was just one more way for him to get power, although I still wonder about his end goal. Does he want to be king or just be rich and powerful? Also, there really wouldn't be a story if it weren't for him. Littlefinger getting Lysa to kill Jon Arryn started everything--Robert going North to find Ned, etc...

I was hoping Jon and Bran would be reunited in this week's episode. I knew they likely wouldn't be, but was still hoping for it. One of the most tragic things to me is how almost all the Stark kids are alive, but are not together.