Will you vaccinate?

LittleLady77

I know, I know... Controversial topic but I couldn't find any A14 polls on here. I have been doing some research on this and just watched this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o I thought it was interesting and I'm just wondering what percentage of people opt not to vaccinate their children.

Rrrrrachel

I mostly don't get my medical information from you tube.

LittleLady77

Rrrrrachel said:

I mostly don't get my medical information from you tube.

Yes, I agree. Not the best source and clearly that video is totally bias but it also has an interesting mathematical simulator and that's why I was wondering what percentage of the population vaccinated.

MapleLeafMama

Can we have a hell yes option please?

KarenEliza

Considering we are dealing with a measels outbreak right now in NYC thanks to these anti vac lunatics, I wish there had been a "Hells Yes " option as well.

LittleLady77

LuckySquare said:

Yes, of course, my child will be vaccinated. Not even a room for a debate in my mind unless there's severe allergic reactions that would prevent full vaccinations. They don't just help protect your child, they can also save others, who legitimately CAN'T get them for medical reasons, through herd immunity.

That's actually what the video was about... Herd immunity. I hadn't heard that term before but I love facts, stats and data. I was going to see what % of the A14 population vaccinated and then run a simulation to see how we would all fair in an outbreak (I have too much free time on maternity leave).

Laroo0220

I put certain vaccines but only bc were declining the hepatitis at birth and we space them out. Otherwise yes and yes! The thing that bugs me most about ppl who don't vaccinate at all is that they are making a choice that puts other people's children (especially babies who haven't been vaccinated yet) at risk.

KarenEliza

This specific outbreak is up to 20 people. Of the 11 adults infected only three were vaccinated. Last year we had 175 cases confirmed in NY, 58 were from an orthodox jewish community that doesn't vaccinate.This disease was considered eradicated in 2000. Some of the patients in this outbreak were treated in NY Presbyterian one of our largest hospitals where officials estimated that they could have exposed as many as 600 patients. As for name calling, when people are dying because of someone else's ignorance I think name calling is getting off easy.

katieharpiceland

ColleenSwerb said:

And calling people idiots is always a good way to get them to listen to you. 0_o

You are totally right. People that have minds that could actually be changed by info should not be called idiots. Except I have no problem calling Kristin Cavallari an idiot because I thought she was an idiot before. 

AcaAwkward

We spread them out a little bit but we vaccinate.

KarenEliza

katieharpiceland said:

ColleenSwerb said:

And calling people idiots is always a good way to get them to listen to you. 0_o

You are totally right. People that have minds that could actually be changed by info should not be called idiots. Except I have no problem calling Kristin Cavallari an idiot because I thought she was an idiot before. 

These are not people who are going to listen or be swayed by logic nor science.

katieharpiceland

@KarenEliza To be fair, I probably would have no gotten my MMR booster after college again, because I would have forgotten since I try to avoid doctors. I'm sure many people are like me. The ONLY reason I got it is because I was traveling. Not everyone that skips boosters is anti-vax. Some of us are just forgetful. (Also, this was WAY before you could get them at pharmacies. That probably would have helped me to remember, back in the day.)

knotty-girl

HELL YES I am pro vaccination. My father, a retired pediatrician, is pro-vaccination, and my mother and siblings, whom are nurses are pro-vax. I can't stand the anti-vax movement because most of these people: 

1. Don't understand how vaccinations work 

2. Base their decision not to vax on anecdotal medicine, heresay, facebook medical advice, etc. 

3. Don't understand statistical risk

4. Have contributed to the reemergence of formerly eradicated diseases, and the potential for mutated high affinity viruses 5. Have no regard for those that have legitimate reasons for not vaccinating and depend on herd immunity 6. Still think vaccinations cause autism 

Most recently, Kristin Cavallari:

 https://www.thesuperficial.com/kristin-cavallari-anti-vaccination-jay-cutler-03-2014  

(The author's assessment of anti-vax arrogance/hypocrisy is spot on) Seriously I wish this chick would STFU, and stop trying to be the new Jenny McCarthy. She went on to defend her stance on Andy Cohen's show saying that it was a personal decision and they were doing what was best for their kids. Actually, no, it's not. When you are a celebrity and you go on multiple media outlets and get on your soapbox about it, it's no longer personal as you are telling millions of people that vaccinations are more dangerous than the diseases they fight. And quite frankly, I don't think it's a personal decision anyways, when it's a decision that risks the health of other people. It's great to know that you are making the best decision for your kids, but could give a shit about everyone else's. 

Also can I add that most people who cannot vaccinate (not to be confused with those that will not vaccinate) ARE PRO-VAX because, again, they depend on herd immunity. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Ok I'm done.

KHendy27

We only do one at a time, but they are fully vaxed by 3. We do skip chicken pox and flu, so I picked Only Certain Vaxs.

homediva

I am absolutely pro-vaccination! I honestly can't believe it's even a debate.

Here is a great article on the autism link.

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

katieharpiceland

ColleenSwerb said:

I'm probably way overdue for the MMR booster myself. I never go to my PCP, in fact I don't even have one at this point because DH's insurance changes so often picking a new PCP every year that I've never met and don't plan to see is pointless and highly obnoxious. And yea, Kristen Cavilleri has always been an idiot so whatever.

I think adults only need one booster, if I'm not mistaken? I'm never quite sure with MMR. 

maelic

We'll vax and we'll do it on schedule. Our pediatrician brought up what I thought was a good point, which is that there are actually more studies done on the safety of vaccines on the regular schedule than the delayed one, so that's what he recommends. I'm all for it.

At the end of the day, as long as you vaccinate I don't care why or how you do it. If you don't vaccinate, I think calling you an idiot is way too kind.

Nellennium

MapleLeafMama said:

Can we have a hell yes option please?

I was also looking for this option!

KarenEliza

@ColleenSwerb‌ @katieharpiceland‌ I should have clarified only three of the adults had any history of being vaccinated at all. Those three were the only ones boosters would have helped.

Relish1025

I really wish people actually took the time and investigated what was in the vaccines they receive, as well as the adverse reactions which are possible. I myself received the hepatitis b vaccine upon birth, and quickly developed respiratory problems and had to be in NICU for several days; it was so severe, the doctors thought I wasn't going to make it. SO received the Tdap shot as a toddler and had a seizure because of it. Needless to say, I'm rather leery about what vaccines LO receives, partially because of her genetics, partially because I think many vaccines are unnecessary. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against every vaccine ever invented, and I credit the enormous decrease of death from disease to advances in medicine. I just personally believe that it should be easier to locate the components and possible side effects from the various vaccinations, and then let parents decide. I think saying that it is absolutely essential to your child's growth and development that you inject them with every possible vaccine as soon as possible is disgusting, and ignorant. Even those who are pro-vaccine are typically against "vaccine cocktails" because the negative effects are usually amplified and appear in more cases. To digress, I believe that I am opting for some vaccinations, but will be vaccinating on a delayed schedule, and LO will not receive any vaccinations upon birth.

luvU2theMoon

my baby is not getting any vaccines! Just kidding.. but i chose certain vaccines because i am not doing the heb B vaccine at the hospital and we dont do flu shots. other than that i will do vaccines just spreading them out.

Relish1025

MrsStanton87 said:

Laroo0220 said:

I put certain vaccines but only bc were declining the hepatitis at birth and we space them out. Otherwise yes and yes! The thing that bugs me most about ppl who don't vaccinate at all is that they are making a choice that puts other people's children (especially babies who haven't been vaccinated yet) at risk.

This exactly.

If you're so positive that the vaccine is going to protect you, why would you be worried about being contaminated by an infected person?

Not being snarky, legitimately curious as to your response.

AcaAwkward

Relish1025 said:

MrsStanton87 said:

Laroo0220 said:

I put certain vaccines but only bc were declining the hepatitis at birth and we space them out. Otherwise yes and yes! The thing that bugs me most about ppl who don't vaccinate at all is that they are making a choice that puts other people's children (especially babies who haven't been vaccinated yet) at risk.

This exactly.

If you're so positive that the vaccine is going to protect you, why would you be worried about being contaminated by an infected person?

Not being snarky, legitimately curious as to your response.


Maybe I shouldn't be putting words into mrsStanton's mouth, but I'm assuming she was speaking of the children who are too young to be vaccinated and/or people who cannot be vaccinated because of immuno-suppression type disorders. We've all heard about the importance of "herd immunity;" vaccines are most effective in preventing widespread transfer of disease when everyone who can be vaccinated, is. Unvaccinated individuals put others at risk to some extent.

avidkeo

I started watching the video out of curiosity (I am very much for vaccinations, nothing at this point will change my mind) but admit that I found it offensive when the voice over said that anti-vaccination was borne out of socialist extreemists.

Frankly from what I gather there are people on every political end of the spectrum against vaccination. And when did it become such a bad thing to be a socialist? 

To be fair this seems to be an American fear - you don't get people in NZ going on about the Green Party being Socialists like its a negative! in fact the term "socialist" doesn't even seem to exist here!! but from what I gather, to be called a socialist in the states is like being called a communist back in the day.

mrscrcalli

this thread is making me wonder/panic about my own boosters..  :-?

Rrrrrachel

Yeah relish sounds like you're the one that needs to do some basic research on vaccines and how they work. I've researched the content of vaccines and their potential side effects extensively ( mostly as a result of making the mistake of arguing with people on the internet about it) and all it's ever done is make me more confident about my decision to have my daughter vaccinated (pretty much) on schedule.

avidkeo

Rrrrrachel said:

Yeah relish sounds like you're the one that needs to do some basic research on vaccines and how they work. I've researched the content of vaccines and their potential side effects extensively ( mostly as a result of making the mistake of arguing with people on the internet about it) and all it's ever done is make me more confident about my decision to have my daughter vaccinated (pretty much) on schedule.

One thing people go on about who are anti-vaccination is the mercury in them. 

I don't know why ours would be different but no vaccination in NZ has mercury in them (confirmed this with one of the nurses at work recently) and hasn't for years. I know in the states the option for non-mercury ones are there - no idea why non-mercury ones aren't standard.

Or is it that they are standard, but anti-vac people continue to scaremonger using old information?

Rrrrrachel

Thimerosal, which is a compound that contains a small amount of ethyl mercury, which is different than the stuff they use in thermometers which is methyl mercury, isn't used in any childhood vaccines in the us except for some flu vaccines, and hasn't been for quite some time.

Emily041285

We plan to vaccinate our daughter. And we both got the tdap and required my parents and brother to get one as well since they will be here when lo is only a few weeks old. (They agreed, and my mother had to get one as a public school teacher.) And my brother lives in NYC. I don't care how small of an outbreak it was, he got a mmr booster. And not just for our daughter's health but for his as well.

mlm646

We fully vaccinate but separate the vaccinations. Yes it means I have to go back to the doctors office often, but I don't mind and my insurance covers all of it. I worked at an animal hospital for years and we separated vaccines for dogs/cats and never gave more than two at a time in case of reactions. Just makes sense to me to separate my son's as well (and soon to arrive daughter).

Elf2718

I'm all about vaccines.

avidkeo

Vinny424 said:

MrsStanton87 said:

Laroo0220 said:

I put certain vaccines but only bc were declining the hepatitis at birth and we space them out. Otherwise yes and yes! The thing that bugs me most about ppl who don't vaccinate at all is that they are making a choice that puts other people's children (especially babies who haven't been vaccinated yet) at risk.

This exactly.

If you're so positive that the vaccine is going to protect you, why would you be worried about being contaminated by an infected person?

Not being snarky, legitimately curious as to your response.

Viruses can mutate in a host. Making it a different strain that your vaccinated child is no longer immune against. That's why you have a different glue vax every year. I'm not saying it happens quickly but over time it could extremely dangerous.

Bahahahah  )

I know this is a typo, and know what you mean, but as typos go, that is classic!!!

irisheyez7

My mother went through very aggressive chemotherapy last year and was severely immuno--compromised because of it. Even though she was vaccinated she was very susceptible to getting any form of disease from other people and we had to limit whom could come in contact with her.

My MIL is currently going through a very experimental form of chemotherapy treatment and due to the current flu epidemic and other risks she has to wear a mask when ever she leaves the house. Neither person can trust herd immunity and adding non vaccinated persons to the equation ups the odds of them getting a devastating or potentially deadly disease.

People like these two wonderful women in my life are the reason I am pro vax. Misinformed and uneducated people put these people as well as infants and other individuals at risk every day with their "personal decisions".

Medic99

We vaccinate but on our terms and on a delayed schedule.

Laroo0220

Relish1025 said:

MrsStanton87 said:

Laroo0220 said:

I put certain vaccines but only bc were declining the hepatitis at birth and we space them out. Otherwise yes and yes! The thing that bugs me most about ppl who don't vaccinate at all is that they are making a choice that puts other people's children (especially babies who haven't been vaccinated yet) at risk.

This exactly.

If you're so positive that the vaccine is going to protect you, why would you be worried about being contaminated by an infected person?

Not being snarky, legitimately curious as to your response.


Yeah to respond to u Relish please see all pp. I was talking specifically about infants who have not been vaccinated yet and people who cannot be for whatever reason. I have a friend who has not given her 7 month old any vaccines and it makes me nervous for when my newborn arrives since she will be around my infant at some point. These type of situations are exactly what I meant.

Rrrrrachel

It's my just people who can't be vaccinated, vaccines aren't perfect. There is both secondary and primary vaccine failure to consider. Which is part of why it's important for diseases to circulate as little as possible. When they're out there people are at risk, including a small percentage of the properly vaccinated.

Rrrrrachel

To be fair most of them also don't think the diseases are that serious, or they know they can mostly rely on herd immunity.

nicole mackenzie

mlm646 said:

We fully vaccinate but separate the vaccinations. Yes it means I have to go back to the doctors office often, but I don't mind and my insurance covers all of it. I worked at an animal hospital for years and we separated vaccines for dogs/cats and never gave more than two at a time in case of reactions. Just makes sense to me to separate my son's as well (and soon to arrive daughter).

I'm a vet tech and where I work we also reccomend splitting up vaccines.

I plan on spacing things out for my baby girl too. I don't mind the extra trips to the dr.

Rrrrrachel

ColleenSwerb said:

To be fair most of them also don't think the diseases are that serious, or they know they can mostly rely on herd immunity.

Which is crazy (to me), if you look up the diseases. And correct me if I'm wrong, but generally if a vaccinated person gets say, measles, isn't it a less severe case than if an unvaccinated person gets it?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you! And yes, generally speaking when vaccinated people do get sick it's less severe.

Airynn Chica

KHendy27 said:

We only do one at a time, but they are fully vaxed by 3. We do skip chicken pox and flu, so I picked Only Certain Vaxs.

This!

Actually a little girl at school had measles a month ago which was funny to hear as everyone here gets vax (no real anti-vax movement) and she had been vaxed already. That being said vaccines are not 100% effective.

LittleLady77

^^ that doesn't sound funny at all and you're really lucky there is no anti-vaxers in the area.