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July 2013 Moms
UO
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Re: UO
Getting a college education in this country over the past 20-30 years has been almost a necessity to gain "success" becuase the amount of well paying blue collar jobs in manufacturing have been dwindling. Unions are to blame for this IMO. They drove costs of operating too high and it was cheaper to send things requiring skilled labor to Mexico and China. Any of you from the rust belt can attest to this I am sure. Where I am from used to be a booming manufactuing town. Now it's a shell of it's former self and quite sad.
Watching the movie "Waiting for Superman" made me hate the teachers unions because of the absolutely rediculous things that are able to happen because of the union contracts.
I am sure that everyone on here that is a teacher is not dead weight holding back the system...but I think teachers are getting a bad rap because of your union fighting to keep the dead weight.
So my UO is that unions are bad and not needed in the 21st century.
It was either that or be creepily delighted like a stalker for getting a +1 from someone who's posts I always love!
I had to take out 100% of loans- for 3 1/2 years it cost me 70k for a business degree. My parents couldn't afford to help and they 'made too much money' to get financial aid- even tho they didn't have the money. Do I regret it- sometimes bc I pay 400/mo until I'm 50 years old & that's more than our mortgage and I make 24k/year (which is average for banking in my area) The job I have I got pd more bc of my degree- but I make shit.
So I go back and forth but DH told me if I didn't have that student loan debt I could be a SAHM. At 18 tho- I had no clue what I was doing and no one sat me down and explained the interest on the money would be crazy. I think ppl shouldn't go to college until they are like 23. I made a lot of dumb decisions and had no idea what I wanted to do.
Yikes,my dh is a union worker...
I understand this is a UO. I worked as a union healthcare worker and it was frustrating working with people that were incompetent but were kept due to union protection. In my job there was no incentives to achieve more because you were bound to the union salary increases based on time served not excellent performance.
Hahaha this is hilarious. Just because teachers don't work at inner-city schools doesn't mean their life isn't in danger. That's offensive on multiple levels. You have no idea.
I'm not sure what goes into determining teachers' salary.. is it just based on how much income the state gets from taxpayers??.... @etoille? For some reason I just assume you know everything..
That seems like a bad set up.. It seems like poorer areas should have more funding and therefore (we hope) better education so that *maybe* the kids will be more likely to succeed??
I feel like I complete idiot saying that last thing because it sounds really duh.. but... really. It doesn't make sense!! I've never really thought of it in terms of tax dollars and lower income = lower tax = possibly lower quality education (not necessarily low-quality b/c of teachers.. but lack of resources in general). Merp.
Please excuse my ignorance.
A TEACHER said that she thought the pay "wasn't that bad" and then the shit show began. I am the only college graduate in my family who isn't a teacher. Both of my grandparents were and they retired millionaires and guess what... they worked in one of the poorest districts in the state.
Are their underpaid teachers? Sure. My sister works in Marion SC. Dangerous is an understatement. So she's leaving. She brings home 20k after taxes and insurance.
That seems like a bad set up.. It seems like poorer areas should have more funding and therefore (we hope) better education so that *maybe* the kids will be more likely to succeed??
I feel like I complete idiot saying that last thing because it sounds really duh.. but... really. It doesn't make sense!! I've never really thought of it in terms of tax dollars and lower income = lower tax = possibly lower quality education (not necessarily low-quality b/c of teachers.. but lack of resources in general). Merp.
Please excuse my ignorance.
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Ummm yeah, there's a reason poverty is a cycle.
I'm kind of stoked you had this epiphany today! Life is not fair, at all. Yes well to do people work hard for what they have but where you come from very much factors into where you end up in life.
Unless you are little orphan Annie.
L: 7/12/13
C: 5/11/15
E: 3/7/17
Due 11/10/18
The union's power depends upon what state you work in. I teach in FL and our union has practically zero power. Typically in FL the poorer districts pay better - mainly because those populations tend to be mor difficult to work with and therefore the districts need to create incentives for teachers. My problem with teaching is not the base pay, which in my state is typical of any college grad. My problem is the lack of job security and the lack of raises in pay. FL teachers do not have tenure and therefore you never know if you are going to have a job next year. So no teacher will be in any way resistant to the demands of admin for fear of nonrenewal. Additionally, as PP mentioned there is no kind of discrimination in terms of raises - I can bust my ass at work but in the end the teacher playing movies will get the same raise as me.... That is assuming we get one. Oh, and I should add that our raises are a whopping one percent - not even enough to keep up with typical cost of living three percent increases. As far as education majors being easy.... They certainly seem to have obtained that reputation, however, I can't speak to that as I never majored in education. Many teachers in fact do not major in education and Pursue very challenging degrees. I have a terminal Master's degree. But again, the system doesn't distinguish value in this - we are not regarded as specialists in any field outside of our endorsement... It doesn't matter what my expertise is in, only that I teach in my endorsed subject.
That's life.
It must be great to make great money and not be maxing out. And I'm not saying that sarcastically, I really mean that. But I teach all day, take no lunch to teach an extra block, tutor after school and bartender on the weekends and during summer. I am entirely maxed out and still do not make great money. I am a great teacher, I believe I deserve just as much professional respect as a business professional, lawyer, etc.... But often this doesn't happen because the public view of teaching standards is so poor. This isn't really an issue of having my cake and eating it too... This is an issue of reasons mentioned in my prior post... The pay is an issue of viability, not luxury. I make more money tending bar than I do teaching - that seems inherently wrong to me. I also suffer less abuse as a bartender and seem to receive more respect, which I also find amazing.
It must be great to make great money and not be maxing out. And I'm not saying that sarcastically, I really mean that. But I teach all day, take no lunch to teach an extra block, tutor after school and bartender on the weekends and during summer. I am entirely maxed out and still do not make great money. I am a great teacher, I believe I deserve just as much professional respect as a business professional, lawyer, etc.... But often this doesn't happen because the public view of teaching standards is so poor. This isn't really an issue of having my cake and eating it too... This is an issue of reasons mentioned in my prior post... The pay is an issue of viability, not luxury.
I make more money tending bar than I do teaching - that seems inherently wrong to me. I also suffer less abuse as a bartender and seem to receive more respect, which I also find amazing.
I will say money and respect are not the same thing. I respect teachers a ton, a ton. My Moms a preschool teacher. But what I'm fumbling to say is that we don't all get paid what we deserve, we get paid what we accept.
Ehhh, I am probably bungling up my opinion. But I do respect teachers and wish the good ones got paid more. I just get annoyed when people say what they should get paid and that they deserve to get paid more. The world just does not work like that!
Ummmm, no!
Baby boy 7.10.13
You could not pay me enough to be in that room.
Baby boy 7.10.13