UO

lindseylu10

You know how when you go to the Dr. they ask you how many drinks you have a week and then the Dr. automatically adds 3 onto whatever you say?? I subconsciously do the same every time I read one of the weights gain posts on this board. Can't help it.

MrsCaddyshack

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I agree.  I just don't understand why you would have to pay someone to do a job that your husband is supposed to be doing.  People might laugh at me for this, because we all know that sometimes (most times) our husbands don't always know what to do, but I feel like between the two of us we can get the job done.  Even amongst the chaos.  I'm kind of looking forward to the chaos actually lol. Yes I know all the STM's are rolling their eyes at me.

I totally agreed with you with my first. I went into it thinking we had it handled. Three days in, back labor, and exhaustion led me to the conclusion that it would be nice to have some reinforcements the next time. I think if you're planning to get an epi then a doula is less meaningful... but you honestly lose the ability to *think* when you're in the heat of labor without pain meds. 9 cm and I couldn't do anything but moan.

I don't think labor is magical or something that I've only gone through. I think it's hard and something that requires support. Hence, me hiring a doula for #2.

Awesome for you if you have the support you need alone, but don't judge others doing what they need to for themselves. It doesn't hurt you.

Ziegeficker

buggywhips said:

As soon as H leaves for work in the morning, one of the dogs is on the bed.  She keeps my toes warm.

I love my chiro and am excited to see him this weekend.  He's also worked on M before, the first time M was like 5 month.  He (Miles) giggled the whole time. He also does my horses. 

M was sunny side up as well and after 16 hours of back labor I got the epidural.  My L&D nurse did what she could with me being essentially paralyzed from the waist down to get him to turn.  You'd be surprised at how well a husband does....I fully expected mine to be a wreck (he doesn't like blood) but he pulled through like a champ.  Held a leg, watched the entire birth (I don't think I could even do that), and cut the umbilical cord. No doula needed!  But TETO!

I am currently incapable of thinking of any UO of my own.  All I can think about is the vomit covered car seat in my foyer that needs to be washed.  

:-& :-&

I don't mind someone opting out of hiring a doula (obviously), but the big girl panties comment was a little ridiculous. As was the comment about how only self-centered women hire them. Especially from someone who has never given birth.

The problem with nurses is that their shifts end and they go home. I had a wonderful nurse, but she left before I was four centimeters dilated. I was in labor for so long that she was back the next day to deliver my baby. You just never know what kind of labor you're going to have. 

spacepotatoes

awc1986 said:

May I add another UO?

Professional maternity and labour photo shoots make me cringe. I get that people like to keep the photos to show their baby in the future, but the set ups of some of the maternity shoots i've seen are just so cheesy. I much prefer natural, candid snapshots of your growing bump to staged, awkward-looking photoshoots. Esp when people have them done at like, 8 weeks. What's the point? Oh and nude ones! No thanks! And labour photoshoots? Sorry, but that is at the bottom of my priority list when i'm pushing this kid out. My wedding shoot was exhausting enough, so i don't know why anyone would want to do that, legs akimbo and sweating like a hog.  

Oh the nude ones...for the love of god, if you have those done, do NOT share them on Facebook! Trust me, even your closest friends do not want to see that! I don't care how many strategically placed ribbons you may have wrapped around you, I still don't want to see that.

A friend of mine did these with all three of her pregnancies and with the last one, she decided to photoshop her belly herself. (Note: this is a woman whose idea of Photoshop skills amounts to blowing out every picture and then vignetting it to hell) It ended up looking horrid. She should have just left it alone. Those stretch marks were hard-earned and I'm sure they would have looked better than the mess she made of the photos by trying to hide them.

awc1986

MrsCaddyshack said:

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I agree.  I just don't understand why you would have to pay someone to do a job that your husband is supposed to be doing.  People might laugh at me for this, because we all know that sometimes (most times) our husbands don't always know what to do, but I feel like between the two of us we can get the job done.  Even amongst the chaos.  I'm kind of looking forward to the chaos actually lol. Yes I know all the STM's are rolling their eyes at me.

I totally agreed with you with my first. I went into it thinking we had it handled. Three days in, back labor, and exhaustion led me to the conclusion that it would be nice to have some reinforcements the next time. I think if you're planning to get an epi then a doula is less meaningful... but you honestly lose the ability to *think* when you're in the heat of labor without pain meds. 9 cm and I couldn't do anything but moan.

I don't think labor is magical or something that I've only gone through. I think it's hard and something that requires support. Hence, me hiring a doula for #2.

Awesome for you if you have the support you need alone, but don't judge others doing what they need to for themselves. It doesn't hurt you.

I'm not judging anyone who uses one. I just don't think it would benefit me and don't see the point of it. Do what feels right for you. 

IBackBevo

I wish I had hired a doula for DS1...even though I likely would have ended up in c-section no matter what ( LO had heart rate decels that didn't come back up), I ended up having to deal with some absolutely moronic nurses who didn't know how to even put an IV in properly and an "on call" doctor who was the biggest jerk I have ever met in the medical profession.

MrsCaddyshack

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I'm not judging anyone who uses one. I just don't think it would benefit me and don't see the point of it. Do what feels right for you. 

Judging!

awc1986

MrsCaddyshack said:

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I'm not judging anyone who uses one. I just don't think it would benefit me and don't see the point of it. Do what feels right for you. 

Judging!

Well i guess i DO judge people who come into a thread entitled "unpopular opinions" and then get all "WAAAH" about someone actually having an unpopular opinion. 

hfooter

lindseylu10 said:

You know how when you go to the Dr. they ask you how many drinks you have a week and then the Dr. automatically adds 3 onto whatever you say?? I subconsciously do the same every time I read one of the weights gain posts on this board. Can't help it.

Lol that's funny! I just take people at their word. I would feel so bad for women if they felt they had to lie about their weight to Internet strangers.

That being said, my license says I weigh 5lbs less

MrsCaddyshack

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I'm not judging anyone who uses one. I just don't think it would benefit me and don't see the point of it. Do what feels right for you. 

Judging!

Well i guess i DO judge people who come into a thread entitled "unpopular opinions" and then get all "WAAAH" about someone actually having an unpopular opinion. 

Enjoy labor! I hope for you it's attended by unicorns and decorated with rainbows, and that your father and husband provide you oodles of compassion and support.

(ETA: FTR, I'm not all "waah" I'm amused by the lack of understanding and giving you my perspective.)

kramja01

spacepotatoes said:

My UO: I don't trust chiropractors. I don't judge anyone who chooses to use one, I just peronally have zero intention of ever doing it and I can't stand the thought of allowing infants and young children to get adjusted.

One of my best friends is marrying a chiropractor and he's part of the Maximized Living...movement, for lack of a better word. They're very strongly antivax and the BS and misinformation he spews is infuriating. He and his colleagues really don't help make a good argument for the credibility of chiropractors. My friend has a health science degree and she's still bought into his crap, and spreads the same BS "studies."

I think chiropractors have their place, but I HATE, HATE calling them doctors. Some of them don't even have bachelor's degrees (just their chiro school degree). I think the only people who should call themselves doctors are M.D.s, D.O.s, Ph.D.s, Psy.D.s, etc. I would never call myself a doctor even though I have a J.D.

AugustGlass

sparklingdiamond said:

My UO is that I just find the Elf on the Shelf creepy and wouldn't want him in my house!  But then again, dolls in general are scary to me!  (Not like Barbie dolls though).

This! This was going to be my UO today, ha.

IBackBevo

@kramja01 - Ha! I just posted almost the exact same sentiment above re "doctors." I also dislike any doctor (even if they are medical doctor) who insists on being called "doctor" outside of a professional context. It just makes you appear like you have self-esteem issues.

awc1986

MrsCaddyshack said:

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I'm not judging anyone who uses one. I just don't think it would benefit me and don't see the point of it. Do what feels right for you. 

Judging!

Well i guess i DO judge people who come into a thread entitled "unpopular opinions" and then get all "WAAAH" about someone actually having an unpopular opinion. 

Enjoy labor! I hope for you it's attended by unicorns and decorated with rainbows, and that your father and husband provide you oodles of compassion and support.

(ETA: FTR, I'm not all "waah" I'm amused by the lack of understanding and giving you my perspective.)

Come on lady, i'm not stupid. Don't pull the unicorns thing on me, because that shit went out with the crazy people a few weeks ago. I'm going to have enough strangers playing with my business free of charge when i give birth, so why would i want to pay for someone else to get involved?

And yes my husband and dad will be there to offer me support and compassion. You don't have to patronise me just because i'm a FTM. Giving birth doesn't mean you've written the book on it, so don't talk down to people who are doing it for the first time. I respect the fact that you want a doula, but I still don't see the point of it and you've not done much to sway me. To be honest, you're coming across like one of the people i've been accused by yourself of judging. 

MrsCaddyshack

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

awc1986 said:

MrsCaddyshack said:

Rocknroll64 said:

awc1986 said:

My UO this week:

I think doulas are completely and utterly pointless. Why the hell do you need to employ someone to act as a go-between during your birth? Put your big girl pants on and deal with it yourself. When it gets to the point that all you can do is yell at people, get your birth partner to talk to the doc. I think doulas are just a waste of time and are generally hired by the kind of people who like to act as though they're the only person on the planet to give birth. 

I'm not judging anyone who uses one. I just don't think it would benefit me and don't see the point of it. Do what feels right for you. 

Judging!

Well i guess i DO judge people who come into a thread entitled "unpopular opinions" and then get all "WAAAH" about someone actually having an unpopular opinion. 

Enjoy labor! I hope for you it's attended by unicorns and decorated with rainbows, and that your father and husband provide you oodles of compassion and support.

(ETA: FTR, I'm not all "waah" I'm amused by the lack of understanding and giving you my perspective.)

Come on lady, i'm not stupid. Don't pull the unicorns thing on me, because that shit went out with the crazy people a few weeks ago. I'm going to have enough strangers playing with my business free of charge when i give birth, so why would i want to pay for someone else to get involved?

And yes my husband and dad will be there to offer me support and compassion. You don't have to patronise me just because i'm a FTM. Giving birth doesn't mean you've written the book on it, so don't talk down to people who are doing it for the first time. I respect the fact that you want a doula, but I still don't see the point of it and you've not done much to sway me. To be honest, you're coming across like one of the people i've been accused by yourself of judging. 

I'm not patronising you because you're a FTM, I'm patronising you because you're so sure of your opinion on a subject with which you have so little experience. You are really up in arms over me, and I'm certainly not the only one who disagrees with you.

Labor is hard, no matter how you go about it, while I might have said it with snark, I do wish you, and everyone else on this board, as easy of an experience birthing as is possible.

I'm going to peace out of this conversation now.

momthatlifts

jenobrien25 said:

My UO is that I feel like I have completely fallen behind after seeing a lot of posts about cribs, bedding, and nurseries... All I have gotten for my LO is a onesie

You are ahead of me! I haven't gotten anything! Don't worry! I will not buy anything until I find out the gender on the 17th...make sure everything is ok with LO!

The problem is, I know the sex and still haven't bought anything - We are in the process of moving and my EXCUSE for not having anything is that I don't want to have more furniture to move. In all honesty I think it boils down to laziness. All that shopping just seems like so much work!

sisterjanet

I've got an opinion that I'm guessing is pretty unpopular.  I truly believe everyone is a sinner, even babies.  It's the doctrine of Original Sin.  I get the impression some of the nondenominational kinds of Christian don't believe in it anymore.

To try and nip upset-ness in the bud with context, this is the really short version of the entire doctrine I follow: 1) Every single person is a sinner (except Jesus but he's different), and 2) as a sinner you are separate from God and can't mend that rift by anything you do, but fortunately 3) God loves you so much he fixed that and brought you back even though you totally don't deserve it, therefore 4) try to be nice to people for pete's sake, because you are a sinner just as much as anyone else and God loved you anyway.

Also, the people who say "love the sinner hate the sin" bug me like no other.  It seems like these days they usually just mean "gay people make me uncomfortable," or at least like the only sin they can think of to hate is gayness.  Pretty much nobody cares about hating the sin of coveting stuff, for example, much less the orthodox Old Testament type sins, like pork handling and consumption, and blended fabrics.

On a much lighter and less religious note, the paleo diet seems just silly.  "Watch me eat steak without bread, just like a caveman!"  It's a marvelous time to be alive, when people have the luxury of being selective about their food choices instead of eating everything available for fear of going hungry.

sisterjanet

JKBMA2014 said:

jenobrien25 said:

My UO is that I feel like I have completely fallen behind after seeing a lot of posts about cribs, bedding, and nurseries... All I have gotten for my LO is a onesie

You are ahead of me! I haven't gotten anything! Don't worry! I will not buy anything until I find out the gender on the 17th...make sure everything is ok with LO!

The problem is, I know the sex and still haven't bought anything - We are in the process of moving and my EXCUSE for not having anything is that I don't want to have more furniture to move. In all honesty I think it boils down to laziness. All that shopping just seems like so much work!

Just remember that you have until May, so it's not exactly urgent to get right on the baby shopping. 

typeset

busterbeagle said:

Empireceo said:

Who banned her?  Was there a particular comment that put it over the edge?  You know, besides the obvious.

I suspect it was an act of God.

You win.

awc1986

@sisterjanet - while I respect your beliefs and your conviction, I have to say that I find the idea of "sin" intrinsically wrong. How does a baby "sin"? What is the point of "sin"? It's just a notion anyway. It's not tangible or logical. So we pissed off some guy who we've not even proven the existence of, thousands of years ago and now we all have to live with it? It sounds like this God has some major PMS going on.

LUCKY22

kramja01 said:

spacepotatoes said:

My UO: I don't trust chiropractors. I don't judge anyone who chooses to use one, I just peronally have zero intention of ever doing it and I can't stand the thought of allowing infants and young children to get adjusted.

One of my best friends is marrying a chiropractor and he's part of the Maximized Living...movement, for lack of a better word. They're very strongly antivax and the BS and misinformation he spews is infuriating. He and his colleagues really don't help make a good argument for the credibility of chiropractors. My friend has a health science degree and she's still bought into his crap, and spreads the same BS "studies."

I think chiropractors have their place, but I HATE, HATE calling them doctors. Some of them don't even have bachelor's degrees (just their chiro school degree). I think the only people who should call themselves doctors are M.D.s, D.O.s, Ph.D.s, Psy.D.s, etc. I would never call myself a doctor even though I have a J.D.

THIS! That and a lot of them I know, at least in my area, call themselves, Dr. First name. Which sound totally rediculous and made up! One of my clients was Dr. Bob.  How do you attain credibility with a name like that?

julesf817

sisterjanet said:

I've got an opinion that I'm guessing is pretty unpopular.  I truly believe everyone is a sinner, even babies.  It's the doctrine of Original Sin.  I get the impression some of the nondenominational kinds of Christian don't believe in it anymore.

To try and nip upset-ness in the bud with context, this is the really short version of the entire doctrine I follow: 1) Every single person is a sinner (except Jesus but he's different), and 2) as a sinner you are separate from God and can't mend that rift by anything you do, but fortunately 3) God loves you so much he fixed that and brought you back even though you totally don't deserve it, therefore 4) try to be nice to people for pete's sake, because you are a sinner just as much as anyone else and God loved you anyway.

Also, the people who say "love the sinner hate the sin" bug me like no other.  It seems like these days they usually just mean "gay people make me uncomfortable," or at least like the only sin they can think of to hate is gayness.  Pretty much nobody cares about hating the sin of coveting stuff, for example, much less the orthodox Old Testament type sins, like pork handling and consumption, and blended fabrics.

On a much lighter and less religious note, the paleo diet seems just silly.  "Watch me eat steak without bread, just like a caveman!"  It's a marvelous time to be alive, when people have the luxury of being selective about their food choices instead of eating everything available for fear of going hungry.

While i don't agree with the sin part, i don't think anybody is going to get upset unless you tell us you whack the sin out of the sinning babies

and i agree about the paleo thing!!

spacepotatoes

sisterjanet said:

I've got an opinion that I'm guessing is pretty unpopular.  I truly believe everyone is a sinner, even babies.  It's the doctrine of Original Sin.  I get the impression some of the nondenominational kinds of Christian don't believe in it anymore.

To try and nip upset-ness in the bud with context, this is the really short version of the entire doctrine I follow: 1) Every single person is a sinner (except Jesus but he's different), and 2) as a sinner you are separate from God and can't mend that rift by anything you do, but fortunately 3) God loves you so much he fixed that and brought you back even though you totally don't deserve it, therefore 4) try to be nice to people for pete's sake, because you are a sinner just as much as anyone else and God loved you anyway.

Also, the people who say "love the sinner hate the sin" bug me like no other.  It seems like these days they usually just mean "gay people make me uncomfortable," or at least like the only sin they can think of to hate is gayness.  Pretty much nobody cares about hating the sin of coveting stuff, for example, much less the orthodox Old Testament type sins, like pork handling and consumption, and blended fabrics.

On a much lighter and less religious note, the paleo diet seems just silly.  "Watch me eat steak without bread, just like a caveman!"  It's a marvelous time to be alive, when people have the luxury of being selective about their food choices instead of eating everything available for fear of going hungry.

This is something DH and I were discussing after that crazy thread last night. We are both Catholic and have been taught that Jesus died so that we could be absolved of that sin. Therefore, we are no longer tainted by it. What we were debating, though, was whether one is actually born free of original sin, according to Catholic teaching, or if one needs to be baptized for that to be the case. I remember that baptism is supposed to represent a promise to raise the child in that faith (which the child then consciously decides for themselves to continue or not through Confirmation as an adolescent or adult), but I don't remember if there's a connection to sin as well.

LUCKY22

spacepotatoes said:

sisterjanet said:

I've got an opinion that I'm guessing is pretty unpopular.  I truly believe everyone is a sinner, even babies.  It's the doctrine of Original Sin.  I get the impression some of the nondenominational kinds of Christian don't believe in it anymore.

To try and nip upset-ness in the bud with context, this is the really short version of the entire doctrine I follow: 1) Every single person is a sinner (except Jesus but he's different), and 2) as a sinner you are separate from God and can't mend that rift by anything you do, but fortunately 3) God loves you so much he fixed that and brought you back even though you totally don't deserve it, therefore 4) try to be nice to people for pete's sake, because you are a sinner just as much as anyone else and God loved you anyway.

Also, the people who say "love the sinner hate the sin" bug me like no other.  It seems like these days they usually just mean "gay people make me uncomfortable," or at least like the only sin they can think of to hate is gayness.  Pretty much nobody cares about hating the sin of coveting stuff, for example, much less the orthodox Old Testament type sins, like pork handling and consumption, and blended fabrics.

On a much lighter and less religious note, the paleo diet seems just silly.  "Watch me eat steak without bread, just like a caveman!"  It's a marvelous time to be alive, when people have the luxury of being selective about their food choices instead of eating everything available for fear of going hungry.

This is something DH and I were discussing after that crazy thread last night. We are both Catholic and have been taught that Jesus died so that we could be absolved of that sin. Therefore, we are no longer tainted by it. What we were debating, though, was whether one is actually born free of original sin, according to Catholic teaching, or if one needs to be baptized for that to be the case. I remember that baptism is supposed to represent a promise to raise the child in that faith (which the child then consciously decides for themselves to continue or not through Confirmation as an adolescent or adult), but I don't remember if there's a connection to sin as well.

If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing it is that church's belief that baptism is what absolves you from original sin.  I'm not sure if that is what the modern day church still believes or not.

momthatlifts

sisterjanet said:

JKBMA2014 said:

jenobrien25 said:

JKBMA2014 said:

My UO is that I feel like I have completely fallen behind after seeing a lot of posts about cribs, bedding, and nurseries... All I have gotten for my LO is a onesie

You are ahead of me! I haven't gotten anything! Don't worry!

I will not buy anything until I find out the gender on the 17th...make sure everything is ok with LO!

The problem is, I know the sex and still haven't bought anything - We are in the process of moving and my EXCUSE for not having anything is that I don't want to have more furniture to move. In all honesty I think it boils down to laziness. All that shopping just seems like so much work!

Just remember that you have until May, so it's not exactly urgent to get right on the baby shopping. 


That's exactly what I tell myself. I have sooooooo much time

momthatlifts

Ok I have another. I absolutely 100% can't stand people who walk alone or walk their dogs in the road and not the side walk. Today a lady was walking her dog and was literally taking up the entire lane I was supposed to be driving on. I had to move over in to the opposite lane to go around her and she wouldn't even budge. I laid on my horn and told her to get on the side walk. She proceeded to stare at me like I was in the wrong . At least MOVE when you see a car coming your way.

spacepotatoes

@evenstar1161 I'd really have to research more into what the actual Catholic teaching is about infant baptism in order to speak to how they use verses and what it means in terms of sin, but I do know that the Catholic interpretation of the Bible is not a literal one.

We have two sacraments that bring someone into the faith. Being baptized as a baby is more for the parents. Like I said, it's a commitment to raise the child in the faith. It's not about the child promising anything. Later on, usually around 13, the child has the option of Confirmation, where they consciously choose to accept that faith and continue. That is the point where they decide for themselves and it's about them, not their parents or anyone else.

ykristos

So, we've unfortunately had two unhinged people that identified as Christians on here, but there's many more people on this board who identify as Christian and seem really awesome! It seems like some of you felt like you needed to defend your beliefs in the wake of that lunatic, and while I personally may not subscribe to those beliefs, I sincerely hope that you don't feel ostracized/judged/etc. Okay, that's all. 

IBackBevo

ykristos said:

So, we've unfortunately had two unhinged people that identified as Christians on here, but there's many more people on this board who identify as Christian and seem really awesome! It seems like some of you felt like you needed to defend your beliefs in the wake of that lunatic, and while I personally may not subscribe to those beliefs, I sincerely hope that you don't feel ostracized/judged/etc. Okay, that's all. 

Who was the other? Redrosepinkcrazy? Selfie had some pretty crazy beliefs, but I never saw her identify herself with a particular religion...unless worshipping yourself counts as a religion.

ykristos

IBackBevo said:

ykristos said:

So, we've unfortunately had two unhinged people that identified as Christians on here, but there's many more people on this board who identify as Christian and seem really awesome! It seems like some of you felt like you needed to defend your beliefs in the wake of that lunatic, and while I personally may not subscribe to those beliefs, I sincerely hope that you don't feel ostracized/judged/etc. Okay, that's all. 

Who was the other? Redrosepinkcrazy? Selfie had some pretty crazy beliefs, but I never saw her identify herself with a particular religion...unless worshipping yourself counts as a religion.

Yeah! I thought she did. Or perhaps she just said something like "It's all up to the Lord, so I won't get a c-section." I may have assumed :P 

JessElam

evenstar1611 said:

@evenstar1161 I'd really have to research more into what the actual Catholic teaching is about infant baptism in order to speak to how they use verses and what it means in terms of sin, but I do know that the Catholic interpretation of the Bible is not a literal one.

We have two sacraments that bring someone into the faith. Being baptized as a baby is more for the parents. Like I said, it's a commitment to raise the child in the faith. It's not about the child promising anything. Later on, usually around 13, the child has the option of Confirmation, where they consciously choose to accept that faith and continue. That is the point where they decide for themselves and it's about them, not their parents or anyone else.

I would be interested to know if it is more for the parents or the baby officially because it does seem like I have heard both ways from Catholics that know and things I have read. I grew up in a Methodist church, and they teach that baptizing infants makes them a part of God's family which I don't agree with and is one reason I left the Methodist church. We do a baby dedication ceremony at our church, which is of course for the parents, just doesn't involve baptism. Perhaps what the ceremony has become in other churches as well.

We attend Church of Christ and we follow this same practice.  Once or twice a year we do a baby dedication where the church and the elders pray over the parents and the child.  The actual baptism doesn't come until the person is at the age, like you stated above, where they can willfully accept Jesus and their Lord and Savior.  I personally wish that I would have waited until I was older to make that decision.  At that time, 10 years old, I did not fully grasp how important the decision is.

Tkhixen

aimee223 said:

Re: elf on the shelf, I must pull out my favoritest gif:




My UO: I love to gamble. Love love love. H and I are trying to plan a date night sometime soon to go to the casino since we haven't been out alone since LO was born 17 months ago. I am so pathetically excited to go play my slot machines.

That's me and my DH.  We aren't very good at it though!  And he says I act like I'm on crack when I'm in the casino where he feels like he has to pour cold water on me to bring me back!  So glad I don't live near a casino!

KateBee

I get irked when people express gender disappointment. It's probably because we've tried to have a baby for so long, but I wish that people would just be grateful that they're having a healthy baby. 

sisterjanet

@evenstar1161 I was raised WELS (super conservative, basically everybody's going to hell) Lutheran and am now ELCA (relatively liberal, the gays have as good a chance at heaven as anybody) Lutheran, and both kinds baptize babies.  I think the reasoning is Jesus said "baptize all nations" and babies are part of 'all nations.'  I always get a little mixed up about how exactly the sacraments work though.  It seems like the point of any sacrament is to remind people they're sinners but God forgave them, but then the sacrament itself seems like it's meant to do something too, and if I remember right my pastor said it's both a reminder and an active thing... but I can't remember what the active action is supposed to be.  If only I could take out my memory cartridge and blow on it, then maybe I'd remember everything. 

sisterjanet

ykristos said:

So, we've unfortunately had two unhinged people that identified as Christians on here, but there's many more people on this board who identify as Christian and seem really awesome! It seems like some of you felt like you needed to defend your beliefs in the wake of that lunatic, and while I personally may not subscribe to those beliefs, I sincerely hope that you don't feel ostracized/judged/etc. Okay, that's all. 

On the exploding spanking thread, somebody commented that people like her are why Christians can't have nice things.  Sometimes it seems like yes, holy cow yes, if you're just seeing the crazy ones on news shows and in forums and wherever then no wonder people sometimes act like they're cats and Christians are baths.  The group is huge and varied, so you don't know what you're getting and then you're a wet cat.  Or something like that.  The cold has my brain working slowly today so I hope that made sense.  She made me sad because of hitting her kids and because she's indirectly making it harder for the other Christians to be taken seriously.

pistolpackinmomma

KateBee said:

I get irked when people express gender disappointment. It's probably because we've tried to have a baby for so long, but I wish that people would just be grateful that they're having a healthy baby. 

I understand both sides of this argument. Yes I want a healthy baby above and beyond everything else but that goes without saying. I think I will be slightly sad either way (unless we get in there and surprise b/g twins!) but that's because this is probably our last for various reasons. On one hand I would love DS to have a brother and 2 boys so close in age would be amazing. On the other hand if this is a boy then I will never get that mother daughter relationship that I both want and fear.

sisterjanet

@awc1986 Were your questions about sin rhetorical or were you wondering about how my beliefs work?  I've been trying to work out how to explain, but it occurs to me you maybe didn't want an answer so I thought I'd ask first.

spacepotatoes

I did a little digging into the Catholic stance on baptism and checked out the Catechism. If anyone is interested in all of the info, it's here:

https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a1.htm

So, Catholic teaching does say that it is through baptism that we are released from original sin. It also has this to say about infant baptism, specifically:

Where infant Baptism has become the form in which this sacrament is usually celebrated, it has become a single act encapsulating the preparatory stages of Christian initiation in a very abridged way. By its very nature infant Baptism requires a post-baptismal catechumenate. Not only is there a need for instruction after Baptism, but also for the necessary flowering of baptismal grace in personal growth.

I think that is consistent with what I was saying earlier and how most people I know approach Catholic baptism.

Just wanted to include this here since I originally wondered about it and a few others seemed curious as well.

SweetTea420

KateBee said:

I get irked when people express gender disappointment. It's probably because we've tried to have a baby for so long, but I wish that people would just be grateful that they're having a healthy baby. 

I always used to say this before I got pregnant (it took us two years to conceive). I thought that we would be lucky to even have a baby, period. But I will admit that I felt a very little twinge of disappointment when I found out we were having a boy. It didn't last long and now I'm thrilled about our little guy. I think it's normal to feel a little disappointment and it's not being ungrateful. It's more of letting go of that son or daughter you've always dreamed of.

pandadair

pistolpackinmomma said:

I get irked when people express gender disappointment. It's probably because we've tried to have a baby for so long, but I wish that people would just be grateful that they're having a healthy baby. 

I understand both sides of this argument. Yes I want a healthy baby above and beyond everything else but that goes without saying. I think I will be slightly sad either way (unless we get in there and surprise b/g twins!) but that's because this is probably our last for various reasons. On one hand I would love DS to have a brother and 2 boys so close in age would be amazing. On the other hand if this is a boy then I will never get that mother daughter relationship that I both want and fear.

I agree. I'm sorry if my very unexpected and also uncontrollable emotional response bothers people. It bothers me, too. That's why I discussed mine on this forum; it helps me to get over it.