Anyone planning to have a glass of wine once they get into 2nd trimester?

Gardenergirl131

I'm certain I will have an occasional toast later on in the pregnancy. At this time, the thought and smell turn my stomach! The thought of a pumpkin martini on thanksgiving is mighty tasty!!!!!! Damn I miss my Martinis!!!!!

wtfisup

alabamapinks said:

holy crap that's ignorant: LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU

As I said, there was a marijuana thread a few weeks ago, LITERALLY the same story, not enough evidence, etc etc, but no one says "yeah lets blaze up some drugs while preggo!". Not a single person.

Here we have a somewhat similar situation, with one KEY difference, while still not that many studies exist, it is known beyond a shadow of a doubt that alcohol causes FAS, as well as many other KNOWN problems.

Two situations, both unknown, one can be proven to cause problems, one cannot. But since Alcohol is SO engrained into today's society, MOTHERS are willing to put the lives of their children on the line just to get A BUZZ???

Let me say that again: the only positive thing you are getting from the drug known as alcohol, IS A HIGH. A recreational HIGH. How on Earth can that EVER be worth risking your BABY?!?!

So you just skipped the part where it was explained that some doctors recommend small amounts of alcohol in pregnancy for the well being of the mother? 

I can guarantee that the vitriol of your posts isn't benefitting your baby, nor is your sobbing. You should think of the child. 

nunzchucks

alabamapinks said:

holy crap that's ignorant: LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU

As I said, there was a marijuana thread a few weeks ago, LITERALLY the same story, not enough evidence, etc etc, but no one says "yeah lets blaze up some drugs while preggo!". Not a single person.

Here we have a somewhat similar situation, with one KEY difference, while still not that many studies exist, it is known beyond a shadow of a doubt that alcohol causes FAS, as well as many other KNOWN problems.

Two situations, both unknown, one can be proven to cause problems, one cannot. But since Alcohol is SO engrained into today's society, MOTHERS are willing to put the lives of their children on the line just to get A BUZZ???

Let me say that again: the only positive thing you are getting from the drug known as alcohol, IS A HIGH. A recreational HIGH. How on Earth can that EVER be worth risking your BABY?!?!

Weirdly enough, the first article that shows up when I "Google that for me" states:

Ultimately, it’s up to each mom-to-be to consult with her doctor and decide if she’ll have the occasional small drink.

KingLED

alabamapinks said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

but half a glass on a random occasion does not mean I have a problem

Yet by defending yourself, it seems that you also do not have the ability to put it away for only 9 months. Just put it away; it's not worth it. If you really don't have an issue with it, then it should be a no brainer to just abstain for 9 months. People who have issues with alcohol aren't always drunkards. Sometimes it's just that normal people learn to rely on it as a relaxant, even occasional, and then find themselves making excuses and rationalizations for why it's ok, why they don't have an issue, not realizing that making those excuses is exactly the red flag that says you need to back off. You're pregnant, another life is relying on you, don't be stupid. A quick buzz isn't worth it, a half a glass isn't worth it. If you're gonna reduce to half [because you know alcohol is bad] then why not just have none instead. Safer all around. Guaranteed zero risk.

No one is getting buzzed.  If they're getting buzzed they're drinking too much. 

Not sure  how many times that has to be said for you to actually read it, but for fucks sake, please read.  And I know that aspirin is bad.  The world knows that aspirin is bad.  But in low doses it's helpful.  So people take low doses.  How is that different?

Pintobean39

alabamapinks said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

but half a glass on a random occasion does not mean I have a problem

Yet by defending yourself, it seems that you also do not have the ability to put it away for only 9 months. Just put it away; it's not worth it. If you really don't have an issue with it, then it should be a no brainer to just abstain for 9 months. People who have issues with alcohol aren't always drunkards. Sometimes it's just that normal people learn to rely on it as a relaxant, even occasional, and then find themselves making excuses and rationalizations for why it's ok, why they don't have an issue, not realizing that making those excuses is exactly the red flag that says you need to back off. You're pregnant, another life is relying on you, don't be stupid. A quick buzz isn't worth it, a half a glass isn't worth it. If you're gonna reduce to half [because you know alcohol is bad] then why not just have none instead. Safer all around. Guaranteed zero risk.


Seriously who gets buzzed on half a glass of wine? What size is your glass?

BabyCurtiss2014

alabamapinks said:

I hope someone sees you all abusing your unborn children and calls the Child Protection Service! Alcohol is bad people!! You are mothers for Pete's sake! Your entire purpose is to protect and care for your child! How is a thread like this even okay on this site. I am literally crying over how many of you are willing to harm your child because you can't kick an addition for 9 months. What a terrible terrible thing to post. This is just awful.

Wow I feel sorry for YOUR child with that personality! Geez! Good luck to you lady!!! There is nothing and I mean NOTHING wrong with having a small glass of wine with a meal and water from time to time. FAS is caused by constant toxic level in the blood for 9 months not an occasional glass! Please
educate yourself!

nunzchucks

@wtfisup is on today with $1000 words...vitriol, trepidatious.  You're like my own personal Word-A-Day Calendar.

nunzchucks

Pintobean39 said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

but half a glass on a random occasion does not mean I have a problem

Yet by defending yourself, it seems that you also do not have the ability to put it away for only 9 months. Just put it away; it's not worth it. If you really don't have an issue with it, then it should be a no brainer to just abstain for 9 months. People who have issues with alcohol aren't always drunkards. Sometimes it's just that normal people learn to rely on it as a relaxant, even occasional, and then find themselves making excuses and rationalizations for why it's ok, why they don't have an issue, not realizing that making those excuses is exactly the red flag that says you need to back off. You're pregnant, another life is relying on you, don't be stupid. A quick buzz isn't worth it, a half a glass isn't worth it. If you're gonna reduce to half [because you know alcohol is bad] then why not just have none instead. Safer all around. Guaranteed zero risk.

Seriously who gets buzzed on half a glass of wine? What size is your glass?

@pintobean39 this is mine:

wtfisup

LilNunz1 said:

@wtfisup is on today with $1000 words...vitriol, trepidatious.  You're like my own personal Word-A-Day Calendar.

Hah! I'm an English instructor, but you should hear the words that come out of my husband's mouth. He used "vociferous" in casual conversation the other day. I was like, "CALM IT." 

KingLED

alabamapinks said:

EllyD14 said:

alabamapinks said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

but half a glass on a random occasion does not mean I have a problem

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No one is getting buzzed.  If they're getting buzzed they're drinking too much. 

Not sure  how many times that has to be said for you to actually read it, but for fucks sake, please read.  And I know that aspirin is bad.  The world knows that aspirin is bad.  But in low doses it's helpful.  So people take low doses.  How is that different?

Holy crap don't take ASPIRIN while you're pregnant either!!!!!! People having heart issues that need a blood thinner is one thing, NOT PREGNANT people can drink all the alcohol they want who cares.  What on earth are you people reading out there??? No aspirin, no alcohol. Holy fucking fuck. And I'm sorry but I find bragging about your alcohol tolerance and inability to get buzzed just really very distasteful, considering. That you are so alcohol tolerant is just even more evidence you need to chill out with the drinking now while you still can!

So pregnant people that are having anxiety and their doctors reccomend a glass of whine over benzodiazapines, that's worse because oh my god it's alcohol and prescription drugs are better? 

What about pregnant people with heart problems or clotting disorders?  They're just not allowed to take care of themselves while pregnant?  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Pintobean39

@alabamapinks. Where did you go to medical school?

Laurelyn2012

alabamapinks said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

but half a glass on a random occasion does not mean I have a problem

Yet by defending yourself, it seems that you also do not have the ability to put it away for only 9 months. Just put it away; it's not worth it. If you really don't have an issue with it, then it should be a no brainer to just abstain for 9 months. People who have issues with alcohol aren't always drunkards. Sometimes it's just that normal people learn to rely on it as a relaxant, even occasional, and then find themselves making excuses and rationalizations for why it's ok, why they don't have an issue, not realizing that making those excuses is exactly the red flag that says you need to back off. You're pregnant, another life is relying on you, don't be stupid. A quick buzz isn't worth it, a half a glass isn't worth it. If you're gonna reduce to half [because you know alcohol is bad] then why not just have none instead. Safer all around. Guaranteed zero risk.

I've weighed my risks and discussed it with my doctor.  Thanks for you opinion but I will continue to live my life as I do. Also to say we are drinking to just get a buzz is false in most cases,  I actually really enjoy the taste of wine.

KingLED

Laurelyn2012 said:

I've weighed my risks and discussed it with my doctor.  Thanks for you opinion but I will continue to live my life as I do. Also to say we are drinking to just get a buzz is false in most cases,  I actually really enjoy the taste of wine.

Oh my god!  Your doctor is okay with you drinking while pregnant?!?!  Think of the babies!  What is wrong with him?  Clearly he's an idiot.  You need to find a new doctor right now!  @alabamapinks Do you have the number for CPS?  You should probably report her doctor.  This is terrible!

wtfisup

alabamapinks said:

Pintobean39 said:

@alabamapinks. Where did you go to medical school?

Who the hell said anything about medical school? It only takes common sense to not reduce the oxygen flow to your unborn baby. I mean, seems like a pretty good idea to not fuck up your kid to me. Call me crazy. I mean apparently all of you ladies don't mind it. Hey if this one spontaneously aborts or comes out fucked up who cares! We'll just get drunk and forget about it. No big deal.

Your exaggerations ("a half a glass of wine" vs. get drunk) make you seem like a lunatic. And you're cursing like crazy. If you want to be taken seriously, speak like a rational adult, not an internet screamer. 

Or just go away. Because you're only commenting to try to force your beliefs on others who, I assure you, are not of lesser intellect that yourself. 

nunzchucks

alabamapinks said:

Pintobean39 said:

@alabamapinks. Where did you go to medical school?

Who the hell said anything about medical school? It only takes common sense to not reduce the oxygen flow to your unborn baby. I mean, seems like a pretty good idea to not fuck up your kid to me. Call me crazy. I mean apparently all of you ladies don't mind it. Hey if this one spontaneously aborts or comes out fucked up who cares! We'll just get drunk and forget about it. No big deal.

Crossing a line, girlfriend.  Step away from the computer.

KingLED

alabamapinks said:

Pintobean39 said:

@alabamapinks. Where did you go to medical school?

Who the hell said anything about medical school? It only takes common sense to not reduce the oxygen flow to your unborn baby. I mean, seems like a pretty good idea to not fuck up your kid to me. Call me crazy. I mean apparently all of you ladies don't mind it. Hey if this one spontaneously aborts or comes out fucked up who cares! We'll just get drunk and forget about it. No big deal.

You're crazy.  And kind of a terrible person.

wtfisup

Also, I'm imagining you screaming and cursing in that Superman dress, so it's a pretty fun image. 

KingLED

alabamapinks said:

Oh gosh poor you, heaven forbid you not ENJOY something personally, you know because its all about you after all. I would just hate for you to have to miss out on something you ENJOY so much. I mean you just changed my mind right there all you had to say is that you ENJOY it. Gosh what a difference ENJOYing something makes, go ahead and do any risky thing at all if you ENJOY it, I wouldn't want to keep you from your ENJOYment. Such a shame that the health of your baby isn't as important as your personal pleasure.

Are you okay?  Are you having a stroke?

Pintobean39

alabamapinks said:

Pintobean39 said:

@alabamapinks. Where did you go to medical school?

Who the hell said anything about medical school? It only takes common sense to not reduce the oxygen flow to your unborn baby. I mean, seems like a pretty good idea to not fuck up your kid to me. Call me crazy. I mean apparently all of you ladies don't mind it. Hey if this one spontaneously aborts or comes out fucked up who cares! We'll just get drunk and forget about it. No big deal.



Oh Good!!! I was really worried that you were actually out there telling patients some of this stuff. I feel much better now. You are just a special snowflake.

deliae

joules235 said:

I'm late to this party but I thought I would share some serious addiction information....your welcome

Haha!! This is great!!!

Laurelyn2012

alabamapinks said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

alabamapinks said:

Laurelyn2012 said:

but half a glass on a random occasion does not mean I have a problem

Yet by defending yourself, it seems that you also do not have the ability to put it away for only 9 months. Just put it away; it's not worth it. If you really don't have an issue with it, then it should be a no brainer to just abstain for 9 months. People who have issues with alcohol aren't always drunkards. Sometimes it's just that normal people learn to rely on it as a relaxant, even occasional, and then find themselves making excuses and rationalizations for why it's ok, why they don't have an issue, not realizing that making those excuses is exactly the red flag that says you need to back off. You're pregnant, another life is relying on you, don't be stupid. A quick buzz isn't worth it, a half a glass isn't worth it. If you're gonna reduce to half [because you know alcohol is bad] then why not just have none instead. Safer all around. Guaranteed zero risk.

I've weighed my risks and discussed it with my doctor.  Thanks for you opinion but I will continue to live my life as I do. Also to say we are drinking to just get a buzz is false in most cases,  I actually really enjoy the taste of wine.

Oh gosh poor you, heaven forbid you not ENJOY something personally, you know because its all about you after all. I would just hate for you to have to miss out on something you ENJOY so much. I mean you just changed my mind right there all you had to say is that you ENJOY it. Gosh what a difference ENJOYing something makes, go ahead and do any risky thing at all if you ENJOY it, I wouldn't want to keep you from your ENJOYment. Such a shame that the health of your baby isn't as important as your personal pleasure.

Yup I guess myself and the rest of the ladies who said they will have a drink will ENJOY.  You aren't changing my opinion either so deal with it.

wtfisup

At first, I was like, "Ah, I didn't really think this would turn into a shit show. This sucks." But now I'm like, "Let the LOLZ continue." 

BabyCurtiss2014

At this point I'm just LOLing so hard! @ Alabamapinks none of us here want to have a glass of wine to get "buzzed" we all enjoy wine with a meal or wish to toast a special occasion as millions of pregnant women have done for centuries. Maybe you don't drink wine and that's cool and everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you are against it don't do it, but you sound like a total fool saying all of us have a problem and are harming our babies because we choose to have a perfectly acceptable amount of wine from time to time. I'm getting off this topic now. To the original poster, enjoy a small glass and DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING and happy holidays!

Mztwilson

Yes!

KingLED

Mztwilson said:

Yes!

@mztwilson I think you missed a few pages of responses that you should have read before responding...

nunzchucks

@mullenem - Excellent gif!

@alabamapinks - Please tell me how you feel about the occasional drink while breastfeeding.

wtfisup

mullenem said:

alabamapinks said:

Pintobean39 said:

@alabamapinks. Where did you go to medical school?

Who the hell said anything about medical school? It only takes common sense to not reduce the oxygen flow to your unborn baby. I mean, seems like a pretty good idea to not fuck up your kid to me. Call me crazy. I mean apparently all of you ladies don't mind it. Hey if this one spontaneously aborts or comes out fucked up who cares! We'll just get drunk and forget about it. No big deal.

No one is talking about getting drunk, WTF are you talking about?! 

Like I said before, with my DD (who is smart, active, and VERY healthy BTW), i had half a glass or so of wine about every 3-4 weeks after first tri.  My doctor was completely fine with it and I had the wine because I love the taste, not because "OMG I NEED TO GET BUZZED!"  Who does get buzzed on half a glass of wine? 

I also had an occasional alcoholic beverage while breastfeeding.  I probably got my baby drunk.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 

Luna C

alabamapinks said:

I hope someone sees you all abusing your unborn children and calls the Child Protection Service! Alcohol is bad people!! You are mothers for Pete's sake! Your entire purpose is to protect and care for your child! How is a thread like this even okay on this site. I am literally crying over how many of you are willing to harm your child because you can't kick an addition for 9 months. What a terrible terrible thing to post. This is just awful.

I hope someone sees how unhinged you're acting and gets you some pregnancy-safe tranquilizers.

Seriously, get a grip.

I'm personally not drinking wine while I'm pregnant, but I would never judge (or worry) about a woman who has two half-glasses of wine after her first trimester. It's not going to do anything. If it did, entire generations of Germans, Italians and French would've been born with significant defects. And we would have no Russians or Brits left at all.

Educate yourself before you go off into hysteria-land about people "abusing" their children.

KingLED

holy seizure warning @wtfisup!  Fuck.

Pintobean39

EllyD14 said:

holy seizure warning @wtfisup!  Fuck.

No shit!!!! I just went into a spin!!

crestedlady

joules235 said:

and also @alabamapinks calm your self honey. A  small glass of wine with dinner and water will probably not even change your BAC. We are talking 2-3 oz of wine here not even close to a full drink. Even somebody who almost never drinks wont get a buzz from 2-3 oz of wine on a full stomach. Not to mention that most people are talking about 2-3 oz maybe once or twice every couple weeks or months.

Umm...pretty much what she said.

I also am not quite sure why you think having half a glass of wine = women endangering their unborn children.  Personally, I believe that everyone here is intelligent enough to 1) speak to our doctor if we have any concern about the matter, 2) do our research, and 3) make our own informed decision.  Further, the way that you are reacting to this subject makes me curious as to whether or not you know or are related to anyone that has a problem with alcohol addiction or dependency?  The only reason I think this is because I know someone who acts/says similar things when they see others drink (regardless of if they are pregnant or not).  If so, I am truly sorry for that experience.

wtfisup

EllyD14 said:

holy seizure warning @wtfisup!  Fuck.

SORRY. 

Luna C

wtfisup said:

 

Your exaggerations ("a half a glass of wine" vs. get drunk) make you seem like a lunatic.

Seem?

You're a generous soul, @wtfisup.

Mztwilson

@EllyD14 I seem to have walked right into a huge argument.

My dr said an occasional glass of wine is ok. That doesn't mean I'm going out on the town and partying it up at a bachelorette party. That basically means the glass here and there for special occasions.

chickpea912

Wow, holy tail spin of a thread, batman.

I saw somewhere on the first page that someone indicated potential benefits for blood pressure issues - considering the bp issues I've had the last few days, I really don't want to play the medication roulette game again.

And considering my mw was pretty okay with the occasional drink of wine (she even cited our crazy alcohol paranoid society here and how things are different in Europe), I'm certainly not going off the deep end about people considering the OCCASIONAL drink.

Not sure where all the insanity came from.  No one is suggesting pregnant ladies get completely trashed on a regular basis.  That would be plain stupid.  But an occasional drink, I don't think it's so different than the occasional caffeine, the occasional deli sandwich, or the occasional "lysteria drenched" soft serve.  It's all about moderation, people.

Pepper6

@alabamapinks:  Have you ever had a glass of wine?  A beer?  Any sort of alcoholic beverage at all?  Because you seem grossly uniformed about why people drink, and how much it takes to get a buzz.  Not getting buzzed from a small glass of wine is not 'bragging about alcohol tolerance', it's called knowing from experience how any amount of alcohol will affect you.  

Shellann1

Ok seriously what gives you the right to act like such a bitch to people?!?
I seriously hope you follow every little pregnancy rule if you're going to go around judging others so harshly!
Btw your baby is exposed to all your moods and hormones.
So breathe
Cortisol/adrenaline in extreme and repetitive exposure causes impairment in brain development.
Literally causes the amygdela to expand and "shuts off" the Cortex. And makes the stress cycle more efficient (bad)
Dopamine however great for neurodevelopment happiness prepares the brain for learning (fun fact! Notice Sesame Street they make the kids laugh then give facts)
This was put in laymens terms for you:)

So chill, try smiling. Stop harming your baby with your negativity or ill have to call CPS

Oh and in case you're wondering yes this is based in science. You're more than welcome to google the effects of trauma and neuroplasticity.

TheMrs820

This is ridiculous! It all just seems like a few people calling others alcholics & child abusers & the rest a bunch of people trying to justify their stupid decision or guilty pleasure!

Luna C

lyracelesti said:

Anyone else ever notice that when people use the words "It's just common sense" what they mean is "I have no evidence for my specious and unfounded claims"?

"... and yet I feel very, very strongly about my uninformed opinion!"

(You left off my favorite part.)

Pepper6

Andplusalso, I just went to Italy in July and I saw no fewer than 10 pregnant women enjoying wine with dinner.  I even asked one of them about it because we were TTC at the time, and they think it's hilarious that Americans avoid wine completely during pregnancy.  And their FAS is not any higher than it is in the US....