UO Thursday

Holly_1007

People flying with kids should always check their bags. There is no reason for a roller bag to take up space in the overhead and I am forced to gate check my laptop travel bag while on a business trip. Diaper bag (and pump bag if you are on a longer flight and need to pump during it) are all you need to carry on and it should fit under your seat. 

I like to board last with a child even when flying without DH. Backpack on my back, baby on my hip, car seat in my other hand. It's not hard. I haven't flown with both kids by myself so having 2 car seats to install with 2 kids in tow would make me board first.

 

You and I are similar sizes, although you are probably a foot taller than me, I still struggle with a baby on my hip and a backpack even without carrying a car seat.  That aisle is NARROW! and if there are people in the seats? There's no way I'm not bumping into people left and right. 

Although I will agree with just about everything else you said in this thread

danabsd

thechimichanga said:

I did not know it was thursday until now.

I LOVE TODAY!

My UO: I LOL at the people I know IRL who are on public assistance, all aspects of it, medicaid, food, housing, and disability, but oppose obamacare.

Wrong one.  I caught the May14 dumbs.  I think you can guess who I meant to respond to.

KellersPrag

danabsd said:

thechimichanga said:

I did not know it was thursday until now.

I LOVE TODAY!

My UO: I LOL at the people I know IRL who are on public assistance, all aspects of it, medicaid, food, housing, and disability, but oppose obamacare.

Wrong one.  I caught the May14 dumbs.  I think you can guess who I meant to respond to.




Thank you.

MeatballEsq

I'm so confused.

Holly_1007

tonir319 said:

I'm so confused.

People think its NBD to put a big puffy winter coat on their baby in their carseats. 
It actually IS a big deal to put a big puffy winter coat on a baby in a car seat because (as the picture shows) You have to loosen the straps an incredible amount to accommodate for the jacket, when in an accident all the puff would deflate and the straps would not be able to properly secure the baby. 

Hyaline

Afunky6 said:

cheeseandrice said:

KellersPrag said:

Wrong one.  I caught the May14 dumbs.  I think you can guess who I meant to respond to.

Thank you.

I don't get the point of this...

Are people incapable of retightening the straps when they put the kid it coatless? 

They are showing how much added room there is with a coat. When push comes to shove and you're in a car accident, the coat will get pushed aside and the kid will be jostled more than if they didn't have a winter coat. A winter coat in a car seat makes a big difference and you can tell once you take it off of them (as seen in the picture above).

Um, except coats are solid matter.  Not air.  The coat won't be "pushed aside" if the straps are tightened so that the coat is compressed.

I know my physicist husband isn't the CarSeatLady, but he says this is asinine.

MeatballEsq

I think the photo looks a little exaggerated in terms of the amount of slack without the coat on. Do a test and then you'll know if that coat is car seat appropriate, right?

Or you could get them a Cozy Woggle coat. Those look pretty nifty.

Nita2603

Hyaline said:

Afunky6 said:

cheeseandrice said:

KellersPrag said:

danabsd said:

Wrong one.  I caught the May14 dumbs.  I think you can guess who I meant to respond to.

Thank you.

I don't get the point of this...

Are people incapable of retightening the straps when they put the kid it coatless? 

They are showing how much added room there is with a coat. When push comes to shove and you're in a car accident, the coat will get pushed aside and the kid will be jostled more than if they didn't have a winter coat. A winter coat in a car seat makes a big difference and you can tell once you take it off of them (as seen in the picture above).



Um, except coats are solid matter.  Not air.  The coat won't be "pushed aside" if the straps are tightened so that the coat is compressed.

I know my physicist husband isn't the CarSeatLady, but he says this is asinine.

Oh, @Hyaline, I love you. Hard.

Holly_1007

I've done this exact thing pictured with Keagan, it is frightening the amount of slack. No, a puffy jacket isn't solid matter, but it is fluff and feathers and materical that is easily compactable with a great force. to each their own, guess I would rather be safe than sorry, and obviously don't want any other s12 babies to be hurt.

Nita2603

Afunky6 said:

cheeseandrice said:

Afunky6 said:

cheeseandrice said:

Afunky6 said:

Hyaline said:

Um, except coats are solid matter.  Not air.  The coat won't be "pushed aside" if the straps are tightened so that the coat is compressed.

I know my physicist husband isn't the CarSeatLady, but he says this is asinine.

Maybe it's not solid matter, but when I've put A in a big coat and then put her in without one, it is a BIG difference. Anyone can do what they want, it just makes me nervous to keep her in a huge coat in her car seat, regardless of the fact that we live in a place that gets to -30 below in winter time.

No one's arguing that there's not a difference.  Tha'ts kind of the point.  The coat is taking up that space.  Unless you think your kid's arms are going to slip out of the coat during an accident, I really don't understand.  If the straps are snug, they're snug.  Put her in again without the coat, and tighten the straps.

I'm on the fence. I have a smaller type coat that I try to tighten up as much as possible, but I know if I took it off, it would be closer to her. In the grand scheme of things, if I get it as close as possible does it matter? I'm not sure. Blah, stupid fucking cold winters that make me think about these things.



you're missing the point.  Of course it will be closer to her.  On that mindset, technically, your kid should be naked in the carseat at all times.  


Bahahwaha. Nothing but laughs from over here. Thanks for making my day cheese. I'm dying!!!
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Thank you, C&R.

PenelopePond

Why was it a big deal to not do it last year but it's okay to do it this year? Because last year they were in the seats we brought into the house? I don't have to worry about this, but it seems like last year I remember it being a big no no.

Holly_1007

cheeseandrice said:

what exactly do you think will happen with that .25" in compression in the case of an accident? again. 

and to each their own, but *insert any other comment that passive-aggressively attacks a decision of another poster on here*

Have you watched the crash test videos of babys in carseats? I'm seriously not trying to be snarky, at all. If I was ever involved in a crash I wouldn't want my child's seatbelt to be a centimeter looser than in needs to be. there was nothing passive agressive about my comment, I meant it sincerely. Obviously every mom here is going to do what is best for their child. I was just trying to explain why some moms (myself included) think that it is unsafe to wear big puffy jackets in the car. Plus, have you tried tightening the straps on a puffy coated kid? its miserable.

*I really don't mean this post with any snark, just too early to figure out how to word it otherwise*

BillyMollyEmmy

The coat argument is a hard one for me. 

I see the photos and I understand the logistics - a big, puffy coat doesn't allow the straps to be snug on the child, but rather, are snug on the coat, and then in an accident all the "puff" contracts. 

That being said, in some places, it's effing cold. Like -40 cold in some parts of Canada (cough, Winnipeg, cough) and it's also not good for LO to be cruising around outdoors with no protection from the cold. Plus, if he or she is anything like my kid, she fights wearing ANY kind of clothing, so once I actually get something on her in the winter I don't want to be putting it on and taking it off at every stop we make. 

As I said before, I am going to try the layer method of shirt, shirt, sweater. But then, how am I really any different than someone who uses a shirt and a coat? All those layers are puffy, too. I don't think you can win in the winter time. 

Holly_1007

BillyMollyEmmy said:

The coat argument is a hard one for me. 

I see the photos and I understand the logistics - a big, puffy coat doesn't allow the straps to be snug on the child, but rather, are snug on the coat, and then in an accident all the "puff" contracts. 

That being said, in some places, it's effing cold. Like -40 cold in some parts of Canada (cough, Winnipeg, cough) and it's also not good for LO to be cruising around outdoors with no protection from the cold. Plus, if he or she is anything like my kid, she fights wearing ANY kind of clothing, so once I actually get something on her in the winter I don't want to be putting it on and taking it off at every stop we make. 

As I said before, I am going to try the layer method of shirt, shirt, sweater. But then, how am I really any different than someone who uses a shirt and a coat? All those layers are puffy, too. I don't think you can win in the winter time. 

try this. lay the outfit on the floor that you are going to put LO in, and step on it. watch how little the fabrice sinks. then step on a big puffy coat and watch it deflate under your foot.
I'm in new england, so I know it gets cold. truthfully, the best purchase I made was an automatic car starter for my car.
and again, I will say, everyone is going to do what is best for their LO, just some things to think about.

MeatballEsq

Why is this never talked about for adults then? I've never heard I'm not supposed to wear a puffy coat in the car under my seat belt and my seat belt definitely isn't as snug as my kiddo's car seat. No snark or sarcasm, all seriousness. 

Holly_1007

tonir319 said:

Why is this never talked about for adults then? I've never heard I'm not supposed to wear a puffy coat in the car under my seat belt and my seat belt definitely isn't as snug as my kiddo's car seat. No snark or sarcasm, all seriousness. 

adult seatbelts length/ tightness changes automatically. a babys carseat is set to be as tight as you make it.

MeatballEsq

Holly_1007 said:

Why is this never talked about for adults then? I've never heard I'm not supposed to wear a puffy coat in the car under my seat belt and my seat belt definitely isn't as snug as my kiddo's car seat. No snark or sarcasm, all seriousness. 

adult seatbelts length/ tightness changes automatically. a babys carseat is set to be as tight as you make it.

That's what I thought after I posted the question. Makes sense. 

I do think the issue with babies and puffy coats though is a common sense thing. Tighten that shit up. Don't you think the issue is likely more with parents that tighten just so it's tight against the coat, rather than tightening it so it's compressing the coat? 

Nita2603

LoisLayn23 said:

How much is -40 in American temperature?

@LoisLayn23, it's -40. Fahrenheit and Celsius are the same at that point. Doesn't happen daily, but often enough.
-20C is -4F, and THAT is a daily here for months.

Hyaline

Holly_1007 said:

try this. lay the outfit on the floor that you are going to put LO in, and step on it. watch how little the fabrice sinks. then step on a big puffy coat and watch it deflate under your foot. I'm in new england, so I know it gets cold. truthfully, the best purchase I made was an automatic car starter for my car. and again, I will say, everyone is going to do what is best for their LO, just some things to think about.

tonir319 said:

Holly_1007 said:

Why is this never talked about for adults then? I've never heard I'm not supposed to wear a puffy coat in the car under my seat belt and my seat belt definitely isn't as snug as my kiddo's car seat. No snark or sarcasm, all seriousness. 

adult seatbelts length/ tightness changes automatically. a babys carseat is set to be as tight as you make it.

That's what I thought after I posted the question. Makes sense. 

I do think the issue with babies and puffy coats though is a common sense thing. Tighten that shit up. Don't you think the issue is likely more with parents that tighten just so it's tight against the coat, rather than tightening it so it's compressing the coat? 

Right.  When you put the kid in the carseat, you should deflate the puff with the carseat straps so that there's no give. If anything, a coat that puffs instead of being thick and bulky (and not compressable) is probably better--it conforms to the child's body when it's cinched down more easily so there's less wiggle room.

How is this hard?  I mean, I didn't ace physics, but this seems pretty basic?  Or do coats change states of matter in accidents from solid to gas?  Yes, they're going to compress--but so does your chest.

Stasi

Hyaline said:

Holly_1007 said:

try this. lay the outfit on the floor that you are going to put LO in, and step on it. watch how little the fabrice sinks. then step on a big puffy coat and watch it deflate under your foot. I'm in new england, so I know it gets cold. truthfully, the best purchase I made was an automatic car starter for my car. and again, I will say, everyone is going to do what is best for their LO, just some things to think about.

tonir319 said:

Holly_1007 said:

Why is this never talked about for adults then? I've never heard I'm not supposed to wear a puffy coat in the car under my seat belt and my seat belt definitely isn't as snug as my kiddo's car seat. No snark or sarcasm, all seriousness. 

adult seatbelts length/ tightness changes automatically. a babys carseat is set to be as tight as you make it.

That's what I thought after I posted the question. Makes sense. 

I do think the issue with babies and puffy coats though is a common sense thing. Tighten that shit up. Don't you think the issue is likely more with parents that tighten just so it's tight against the coat, rather than tightening it so it's compressing the coat? 

Right.  When you put the kid in the carseat, you should deflate the puff with the carseat straps so that there's no give. If anything, a coat that puffs instead of being thick and bulky (and not compressable) is probably better--it conforms to the child's body when it's cinched down more easily so there's less wiggle room.

How is this hard?  I mean, I didn't ace physics, but this seems pretty basic?  Or do coats change states of matter in accidents from solid to gas?  Yes, they're going to compress--but so does your chest.

This is the exact same thing my physics teacher husband said...just compress the coat when you put the child in the seat, I think the issue is the air caught in the down/fiber of the coat that is going to shrink up...

FWIW, I can't imagine riding in a car with a big puffy coat myself, let along my DD who is in that heat-sink of car sear. We are usually driving longer distances, so the heat has plenty of time to warm the car and we just make do with a blanket around DD in the mornings (the car is warm by the time DH gets her from the babysitter).

Holly_1007

another experiment: go let the straps of the carseat out a half inch on each side (was that the measurement you gave LL?) and then buckle your child in with a puffy coat on. I'm interested in the results. might even try with Colby later.

its not about being a doctor of physics. generally speaking people don't/ cant get the straps tight enough with a puffy coat on, and all it does is piss off your kid.

Holly_1007

the first time I heard of CSL was here. I don't follow her though. The few times I have seen it brought up though, I will agree that she is a little bit "holier than thou"
I hope I don't come across that way.  Like I have said multiple times, I'm just trying to help spread information. I don't want anyone's child getting injured, due to not properly being in their carseat. 

hmp1

Stasi said:

FWIW, I can't imagine riding in a car with a big puffy coat myself, let along my DD who is in that heat-sink of car sear. We are usually driving longer distances, so the heat has plenty of time to warm the car and we just make do with a blanket around DD in the mornings (the car is warm by the time DH gets her from the babysitter).

This is the reason I don't do it. It seems miserable to me. I always take my coat off while I'm driving.

I wonder if the strap position/chest clip is an issue with bulky clothes. The chest clip is designed to give the straps the proper position for a crash and the clip is designed to break open if needed but the straps will remain in the position. Does a bulky coat make this positioning off? Just thinking out loud.