MMR vaccine

kristinyoung111

I know the MMR vaccine will be coming up soon for our LO and I would really like to wait for her to get it until she is two. She isn't going to be in daycare so I don't really see a need for such a big vaccine this early. I am going to ask my pedi about delaying the vaccine on my next visit. I'm hoping she doesn't give us pushback. Has anyone had pediatricians who are against delaying certain vaccines? Are there certain types of pediatricians to look for who allow for altered vaccination schedules?

kristinyoung111

I must have misread the chart I was looking at, I thought it started at 6 months. I still feel like she  is a little young. I don't like the idea of getting so many vaccines at once when they have a fairly weak immune system still. While I know it is a rare side effect, there is a possibility of a very high fever and it is more likely to occur when the child is younger. I don't feel comfortable with the risk and I feel like it is unlikely she is going to be exposed to any of the diseases until she is in school.

kristinyoung111

I really dont want to have a debate about it. I was just trying to ask: 1) has anyone had pediatricians who are against delaying certain vaccines? and 2) are there certain types of pediatricians to look for who allow for altered vaccination schedules?

LisaLisa1980

kristinyoung111 said:

I must have misread the chart I was looking at, I thought it started at 6 months. I still feel like she  is a little young. I don't like the idea of getting so many vaccines at once when they have a fairly weak immune system still. While I know it is a rare side effect, there is a possibility of a very high fever and it is more likely to occur when the child is younger. I don't feel comfortable with the risk and I feel like it is unlikely she is going to be exposed to any of the diseases until she is in school.

It's all fine & dandy until your child ends up in the hospital. With more & more ppl refusing to vaccinate, the more we're hearing about huge outbreaks. Give your baby immunity. A healthy baby will fight a fever overnight. It's hardly a reason to avoid it.

kristinyoung111

Umm Im not refusing to vaccinate. I wanted to delay vaccination. I really wasn't trying to get into a debate about it, sorry I asked. I should have just asked my two questions without background info.

LisaLisa1980

kristinyoung111 said:

Umm Im not refusing to vaccinate. I wanted to delay vaccination. I really wasn't trying to get into a debate about it, sorry I asked. I should have just asked my two questions without background info.

Delaying can be harmful too

ASmallWonder

If your child leaves your house or anyone enters your house, she risks being infected.  Truthfully, since MOST kids are vaccinated, her risk of catching one of those diseases at school isn't very high.  It's out in the general public where people are not vaccinating and don't believe they have to because they're not at risk (i.e. you)

peoniesandroses

I just wanted to send my thoughts since I too feel very similarly to the poster.  Most of the responses here have been very judgmental in my opinion.  My son Crosby has reacted to EVERY one of his vaccines, whether a bad site reaction (his leg literally looked like an eggplant) or with his 2 month dTAP, inconsolably crying for 5 hours (only 1 in 1000 react like that), he wouldn't nurse, it was awful.  I am a very relaxed mom with my second but I was in a panic when he reacted so badly.   It made me feel like I was injecting something bad into his pure system (emotionally not logically) and putting him in pain which is a terrible feeling.  I am not against vaccinations per se but I certainly question how many they get so early in life.  So I have asked for individual vaccinations rather than the  multiples at one time. A delay over a few months so for those questioning even a delay, unless you have been in the shoes of a mom whose child reacted badly, I would nip the tone of your words.  More visits but I am fine with that.  My other son had fevers and irritability with each vaccine as well.  I understand the overall protective qualities for most vaccines but for some children, their sensitive systems need to be taken into account.  I so wish motherhood didn't come with such judgments and guilt throw at each other when one doesn't necessarily agree with the other.

pantsarella

I won't get into the debate- honestly I feel like you're putting your child at risk, but it's your child and she's at your mercy. 

That said, when we looked for a pediatrician, they all gave us their opinion of altered vaccine schedules up front before we even asked. We picked a pediatrician who agreed with our thoughts on the subject. If your ped doesn't agree with your thoughts, maybe you should find a new one. There's no way to know how a doctor feels about it except to ask. But I would imagine it'd be hard to find a lot of doctors who blatantly go against medical research.

jlpev

Its usually around 12-18 months old. I did push my sons back till he was 2. My Dr had no problem with it since he stays at home.
I did it because my friends son had a severe reaction after his mmr vaccine and it spooked me. Our Dr completely understood.
I would definitely discuss this with your Dr.

ASmallWonder

peoniesandroses said:

I just wanted to send my thoughts since I too feel very similarly to the poster.  Most of the responses here have been very judgmental in my opinion.  My son Crosby has reacted to EVERY one of his vaccines, whether a bad site reaction (his leg literally looked like an eggplant) or with his 2 month dTAP, inconsolably crying for 5 hours (only 1 in 1000 react like that), he wouldn't nurse, it was awful.  I am a very relaxed mom with my second but I was in a panic when he reacted so badly.   It made me feel like I was injecting something bad into his pure system (emotionally not logically) and putting him in pain which is a terrible feeling.  I am not against vaccinations per se but I certainly question how many they get so early in life.  So I have asked for individual vaccinations rather than the  multiples at one time. A delay over a few months so for those questioning even a delay, unless you have been in the shoes of a mom whose child reacted badly, I would nip the tone of your words.  More visits but I am fine with that.  My other son had fevers and irritability with each vaccine as well.  I understand the overall protective qualities for most vaccines but for some children, their sensitive systems need to be taken into account.  I so wish motherhood didn't come with such judgments and guilt throw at each other when one doesn't necessarily agree with the other.

See but this is kind of the point.  Your son reacts badly so delaying makes sense.  Herd immunity (meaning the rest of us who have no issues to cause a delay get them on schedule) is what will (hopefully) protect your little guy from getting sick.  If everyone starts delaying based on what ifs, that herd immunity is gone.  That means people are legitimately not able to vaccinate on schedule, or at all, are in grave danger. 

Ridgebackmom

You know what they say: "Educate before you vaccinate". I agree, these discussions get heated! Talk to your pedi. I recently switched Pedi's/offices to one that was more understanding and supportive about my concerns.

Snapdragon750

There are pediatricians who will do whatever you say about vaccinations, pediatricians who won't take patients who won't vaccinate, and pediatricians everywhere in between.  You should ask and switch if you are not on the same page with your pedi, or if you like and respect your pedi, listen to his or her reasons and maybe adjust your opinion to his or her expertise. 

Or educate yourself, but also know that "educate" does not mean "google search and believe whatever you read that supports what you already believe."

kgs0505

LisaLisa1980 said:

Umm Im not refusing to vaccinate. I wanted to delay vaccination. I really wasn't trying to get into a debate about it, sorry I asked. I should have just asked my two questions without background info.

Delaying can be harmful too

MMR can't be given until 12 mo.  Not a day sooner.  Now, here is my story about why I won't ever delay a recommended vaccine.  My son was not yet in daycare.  I contracted whopping cough.  An atypical strain too, because it turned into pneumonia in only 4 days (doctor did NOT test me for whooping cough).  On the evening of day 5 my son started coughing, Day 6, bright and early, he was in the pedi's office.  I was too sick to go.  DH took him.  They tested him for whooping cough "just in case", although it wasn't presenting exactly like whooping cough (not supposed to have the pneumonia factor).  Put him on a strong dose of antibiotics because I was so sick.  Day 6, DH started his symptoms.  Day 7, the pediatrician herself called on a Saturday, whooping cough test was positive. 

So, my son got it from me because I was under vaccinated.  I am convinced the ONLY reason my 2 month old son, who had just gotten his first dose of vaccine (but isn't fully effective until the 3rd dose at 6 months), wasn't hospitalized was because we were listening for that cough, and as soon as he had it, he was in the pedi's office immediately.  It was absolutely horrific listening to my infant son cough so hard that he was trying to cry, but could because he was coughing so much.  They also aren't exaggerating when they call it the hundred day cough either. 

So, yeah, vaccinate your kids.  If you have a GOOD reason to suspect your kid will have an adverse reaction, that might be a reason to delay, but if they haven't reacted adversely to any of the other vaccines besides the usual crabby factor, then there is no reason to delay.  I myself had an adverse reaction to MMR as a 1 yo, but never had a bad reaction to anything else.  And my mom didn't delay any other vaccines.  I specifically talked to the pedi about it when it was my son's turn to get it and they said the vaccine has actually changed a lot since we were kids.  So it's not the same.  If it was, I'd probably delay for my daughters since they are my bio kids (but only to like 15-18 months), but, my son didn't even have so much as a fever, and he also had the chicken pox one at the same time, which thank god, prevented him from getting it as he was exposed only 1 week after the vaccine was given.

Vaccines are a huge medical breakthrough so we don't have to suffer from these diseases.  A few adverse reactions out of 100's of 1000's of doses given is too small a chance to risk my kids getting a disease I could have prevented.  Oh, and btw, my grandmother DIED of polio in 1952 at the age of 33.  My mother and uncle both contracted polio, but left them with a small, weakened jaw and a disabled arm, respectively. 

Anyway - take it all FWIW, but definitely talk to your pedi.  If you are concerned about too many "big" vaccines at once, stagger by 2-3 weeks, so you can monitor one vaccine at a time.  But I wouldn't do a huge delay. 

trudibell

My mother almost died of the measles in the '50s.  My parents were older and I always heard these terrible stories about kids getting polio, measles, etc.  I would much rather have my son experience a difficult reaction to a vaccine - even if it means 5+ hours of inconsolable crying - then have him contract a potentially fatal, yet preventable disease.  I don't think that the effects of those diseases are vivid enough in public memory but before vaccines they were a total menace.  

green867

She should really really get vaccinated once she is old enough and ready. Daycare isn't the only place where a child could pick up measles, mumps or rubella. Measles can kill a child who contracts it. So far as I know, no children have died or gotten autism from the vaccine, despite what Jenny McCarthy may want you to believe.

Please, vaccinate your child once you can.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html

https://www.standard.net/stories/2011/09/02/measles-left-baby-39teetering-near-death39

 

kristinyoung111

Okay, to clarify, I am NOT worried about autism. Never mentioned it once. There are other reasons aside from autism that people want to delay vaccines. I want her to get vaccinated. I like vaccines. I am concerned at the potential of a high fever as a side effect of this particular vaccine. I have looked it up, it is a potential side effect though it is not common. High fevers can cause many problems, including ferbile seizures. I would feel more comfortable having her vaccinated when she is a little older (two).

I do not see how she would be any more likely to catch any of these diseases before the vaccine can be given at age one than she will be by waiting until age two. I understand you can catch things just going out of the house, but I feel the chance of encountering one of these diseases is much higher once she would go to daycare or school. I was not trying to debate the MMR vaccine. I was just trying to ask two questions, and I appreciate those who actually answered the questions I was asking.

Snapdragon750

kristinyoung111 said:

I do not see how she would be any more likely to catch any of these diseases before the vaccine can be given at age one than she will be by waiting until age two. 

I can't really understand what this means.  Are you saying you don't understand how your child would be more likely to get a disease in two years of not being vaccinated than one?  It's the same idea behind why you think your kid is less likely to get a disease from being exposed to fewer children at daycare.

You're playing an odds game, is all posters here are saying, and sometimes you lose.  

mommatotwo2

kristinyoung111 said:

Okay, to clarify, I am NOT worried about autism. Never mentioned it once. There are other reasons aside from autism that people want to delay vaccines. I want her to get vaccinated. I like vaccines. I am concerned at the potential of a high fever as a side effect of this particular vaccine. I have looked it up, it is a potential side effect though it is not common. High fevers can cause many problems, including ferbile seizures. I would feel more comfortable having her vaccinated when she is a little older (two).

I do not see how she would be any more likely to catch any of these diseases before the vaccine can be given at age one than she will be by waiting until age two. I understand you can catch things just going out of the house, but I feel the chance of encountering one of these diseases is much higher once she would go to daycare or school. I was not trying to debate the MMR vaccine. I was just trying to ask two questions, and I appreciate those who actually answered the questions I was asking.

Why would you feel more comfortable with a 2 year old with a high fever as opposed to a 1 year old? High fevers suck no matter when they happen and they are going to happen, whether you vaccinate, don't vaccinate, put your child in daycare or hardly ever leave the house. With DD1, she was cared for by family at home and we rarely took her out before 18 months old due to prematurity. Still at 16 months she somehow contracted Roseola and ended up in the ER with a 104 degree fever. Chances are much higher that you are going to have your 2 year old out playing at the park, at the jungle gym place, at birthday parties,etc than your 1 year old. Also much more likely at 2 that they will be climbing all over everything and exposing themselves to all kinds of stuff. Kids get sick, fact of life. The CDC has put in countless hours of research and planning into this vaccine schedule and anyone with a legitimate medical background will tell you to vaccinate as early as possible. I can't wait until my baby is fully vaccinated so I can stop worrying that some crazy person that delayed or didn't vaccinate is going to infect my kid with something fatal.
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ASmallWonder

kristinyoung111 said:

Okay, to clarify, I am NOT worried about autism. Never mentioned it once. There are other reasons aside from autism that people want to delay vaccines. I want her to get vaccinated. I like vaccines. I am concerned at the potential of a high fever as a side effect of this particular vaccine. I have looked it up, it is a potential side effect though it is not common. High fevers can cause many problems, including ferbile seizures. I would feel more comfortable having her vaccinated when she is a little older (two).

I do not see how she would be any more likely to catch any of these diseases before the vaccine can be given at age one than she will be by waiting until age two. I understand you can catch things just going out of the house, but I feel the chance of encountering one of these diseases is much higher once she would go to daycare or school. I was not trying to debate the MMR vaccine. I was just trying to ask two questions, and I appreciate those who actually answered the questions I was asking.

Your argument makes zero sense.  The less time you have to encounter something shitty, the better.  So it is twice as risky for her to wait until 2 than until 1.  That's an entire year of protection she won't have.  And the kids at daycare, with rare exception ARE vaccinated.  Actually, I'm unsure a private daycare even has to allow an unvaccinated child like a public school does if the parent says it's for religious reasons or whatever.

trudibell

kristinyoung111 said:

Okay, to clarify, I am NOT worried about autism. Never mentioned it once. There are other reasons aside from autism that people want to delay vaccines. I want her to get vaccinated. I like vaccines. I am concerned at the potential of a high fever as a side effect of this particular vaccine. I have looked it up, it is a potential side effect though it is not common. High fevers can cause many problems, including ferbile seizures. I would feel more comfortable having her vaccinated when she is a little older (two).

I do not see how she would be any more likely to catch any of these diseases before the vaccine can be given at age one than she will be by waiting until age two. I understand you can catch things just going out of the house, but I feel the chance of encountering one of these diseases is much higher once she would go to daycare or school. I was not trying to debate the MMR vaccine. I was just trying to ask two questions, and I appreciate those who actually answered the questions I was asking.

You can't expect to post something controversial (and frankly dangerous) in a public forum without hearing opinions, even ones that don't support your point of view.  To answer your question, my pediatrician follows the schedule set up by the CDC and that's one of the reasons I trust her as a doctor.  I'm sure there are pediatricians out there who will tell you whatever you want to hear about when to vaccinate, but I probably wouldn't trust them with my kid.

jbanasiak

We do an alternative vaccine schedule. Are very PRO vaccine, but also have concerns regarding so many given at once. I had a bad bad reaction on occasion, and we would like to know which one our LO is reacting too if it happens to her.

If you have concerns, but are still wanting to vaccinate. Check out the Dr. Sears Vaccine Book. He is a very pro vaccine pedi who has concerns of his own and addresses things very well.

Our pedi had no problem with this. She is our family practitioner and also a PA not an MD. I know a hot button issue! Good luck! HOpe that book will maybe help you find the info you are l ooking for.

emg2010

kristinyoung111 said:

 Has anyone had pediatricians who are against delaying certain vaccines? Are there certain types of pediatricians to look for who allow for altered vaccination schedules?

Yes my pedi office advises against delaying vaccines however will delay vaccines if that's what you request. They do not accept patients that chose to not vaccinate at all. We had a discussion with our doctor about delaying the vaccines and why we are choosing to do so. There are doctors that follow delay schedules. You can find them on Dr. Sears website. Ours isn't on there but they will go forward with delaying vaccines.

 

Some doctors delay vaccines if your child is sick. I think but I'm not sure that the CDC references it on their site that some doctor's may hold off on vaccines if your child is sick. I can't remember if it was the CDC or a state government site but I remember reading that some doctors wait on vaccinations if a child has a fever or is sick. That's not a recommendation by the CDC it was only stating what some doctors chose to do.  When my nephew was due for his MMR, his doctor  delayed the vaccine because he kept getting ear infections. He didn't get his MMR until 20 months. My friend's doctor will hold off on a vaccine if the baby has a slight temperature or even a cold. Her doctor feels their immune system is already fighting something off so it's best to wait until they are better before introduce something else to their immune system.

bgorres

kristinyoung111 :  I am neither completely for or against vaccination, I think each parent should do what they feel is best.  I think it's unfortunate that so many people are pressuring you to have your child vaccinated.  You shouldn't be pressured to do something you don't want to, regardless of what it is.

With that being said, you should educate yourself about the pros and cons of delaying vaccination.  And I would also recommend "The Vaccine Book" by Dr. Sears. 

And of course talk to your pediatrician.  HOWEVER, NOT ALL PEDIATRICIANS ARE GOOD OR KNOW THE FACTS REGARDING VACCINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I work in the medical field and have a doctoral degree, so I know this first hand.   Some pediatricians stick to the vaccine schedule but don't know the data that supports it or is against it. 

So again, educated yourself and do what YOU think is right.

And to answer your questions, some pediatricians may or may not be okay with delaying the MMR.  Your best bet to find one that will (if you choose to do so) it to ask people you know, a midwife at a hospital or birth center may know of one, or maybe search the internet for a discussion board or mom's group in your area.

green867

The problem with that sort of thinking is that it presumes that the decision not to vaccinate a child only affects that particular child. In reality, no one lives in a bubble. The whole reason why vaccination works it because it provides a "herd" immunity. A certain level of the population needs to be vaccinated from a disease in order to protect those who legitmately cannot be vaccinated. Children who are too young, those who have bad reactions to vaccinations in the past, etc. have a legit reason, and need the rest of us to get vaccinated to protect them. By not vaccinating a child who has no actual reason for not being vaccinated, you are putting not only your child but other people at risk should they become ill. 

 https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/protection/index.html

negombo

Congrats to you Kristin, for asking some hard questions. Sorry to hear and read that people are judging you on that. Our GP is letting us delay as long as we want, slightly begrudgingly so. If you want to message me personally that would be fine but in no way am I going to lower myself to reply to the fear mongering angry moms on this forum:) peace.

negombo

Hi Elmoali, just wondering, did you report his reactions? So many reactions go un reported. Sounds awful. I have seen some pretty bad reactions with the kids I teach.. And yes, physically it is ' bad stuff' that is in the injection. But few people care to dig deeper into that. Good luck with your decisions and I hope that your kids do better with their next set, if you choose to do so. Peace

mamato3girls

As someone whose child landed in the hospital twice with vaccine reactions because I felt pushed into getting the vaccinations when everything in me was screaming not to I urge you to do your own research. I am not anti vaccine. My kids will ultimately have all their vaccines (with the exception of a few and my dd who reacted of course won't get that one again) but i will never agree to doing more than 1 vaccine at a time, had I listened to my gut the first time we wouldn't have had to make two trips to the hospital but because I was talked into a combo shot that contained 3 different things we had no idea which one my daughter reacted to. Do your research and be confident in your decision no matter what it is, know that both decisions have the potential to be risky so you have to decide for your family which option you feel most comfortable with. FWIW my ped used to push the CDC schedule, now she actually prefers her patients split up their vaccines and do 1 a month or 1 every other month until they are caught up. My kids get 1 vaccine every 3-4 months. By the time they are 7 they are completely caught up with the exception of 2.

Snapdragon750

You know what, can we stop with this "listen to your gut" nonsense already?  You're not going to have some kind of magical, Mommy-Sense premonition as to whether or not your child will react.  All mothers have a gut reaction against injecting our babies with anything, and we all worry that our kids might have a reaction to the shot.  That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Whichever way your decision goes, make it an EDUCATED one, not a "gut" one.  Please.

JakMark

During a recent outbreak of measles in the upstate ny area 85% of those affected received both rounds of the vaccine and 12% received only one round... In addition to that fact DNA from aborted fetuses is used in the making of that vaccine... Some studies have shown that certain vaccines from certain companies contain the actual brain cells of those fetuses causing the body to attack the vaccinated child's own brain cells... Do your own research and make your own educated decision... I have

Koubalicious

I would say to you don't delay the vaccinations. If your child is susceptible to febrile seizures they will get them regardless which to me is the only other real concern about MMR. Your child doesn't have a weak immune system, rather a very strong one and the doses of MMR are so small it's nothing to even worry about. Remember children are exposed to 100's of 1000's of germs a day and they certainly don't get sick from that, it actually builds their immunity. Same for the immunizations; it builds their immunities.  My daughter has many issues, including asthmatic tendencies and allergies, but that did not stop us from giving MMR on schedule, she was fine a bit warm afterward but no different than before. She's now 2 years and 3 months and going strong. Speaking 6 to 7 word sentences and just hitting milestone after milestone. Frankly, there are so many measles outbreaks happening now that I couldn't risk exposing her. I also asked four friends and family members that are doctors (one a pedi)  if they gave their children MMR, they all did, that convinced me, if four doctors will give their children MMR protection why wouldn't I. Incidentally the reason I asked them was that their children are all either a month or two older or younger than our daughter so it was extremely relevant to me to find out if they had done this.  I agree with everyone here who says stay off the internet as it concerns immunizations. I personally know of a 4 month old baby who was exposed to HIB at a pediatrician's office and almost died, the culprit, a sick child who hadn't been immunized exposed that baby to that disease. Lastly, two months ago while shopping in the city we live in there was a baby that was brought to Costco and Target that was in a full measles outbreak, there was an outbreak that occurred as a result of that and while no babies died, many were extremely sick and hospitalized. Why risk it. Measles can kill, mumps are painful, endanger your life and your ability to procreate and rubella can also kill. I hope this helps you, please know I am not judging you at all as I was in a similar place too. I really was considering delaying the vaccine for my daughter but after speaking with people in the know I determined that it was the right thing to do.

trudibell

JakMark said:

During a recent outbreak of measles in the upstate ny area 85% of those affected received both rounds of the vaccine and 12% received only one round... In addition to that fact DNA from aborted fetuses is used in the making of that vaccine... Some studies have shown that certain vaccines from certain companies contain the actual brain cells of those fetuses causing the body to attack the vaccinated child's own brain cells... Do your own research and make your own educated decision... I have

Um...what?

green867

 

JakMark said:

During a recent outbreak of measles in the upstate ny area 85% of those affected received both rounds of the vaccine and 12% received only one round... In addition to that fact DNA from aborted fetuses is used in the making of that vaccine... Some studies have shown that certain vaccines from certain companies contain the actual brain cells of those fetuses causing the body to attack the vaccinated child's own brain cells... Do your own research and make your own educated decision... I have

Who the hell did these studies?  The crazy cat lady down the block? Googling "vaccine issues" is not RESEARCH. How about looking up peer-reviewed studies done by reputable sources? Or talking with medical professionals and pediatricians (I am NOT talking about chiropractors or naturopaths here. We are talking actual, medical doctors and epidemiologists). How about science? What the hell happened to trusting the scientific method? What happened to making decisions based on reason, rationality, and facts rather than fear and panic?

How is that the American Academy of Pediatrics, WHO, CDC, and Mayo are somehow not reputable sources but effin' Jenny McCarthy and Joseph Mercola are?

Update*** I think I found the study that you were referring to about the MMR causing encephalitis.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/3/383.long

They identified 403 cases of encephalitis associated with the MMR vaccine over 23 years. Of those 48 had lasting cognitive and physical effects. This is out of 75 MILLION children being vaccinated. In other words, the odds of having encephalitis due to MMR vaccination is about .000005% The odds of having lasting effects or dying is .0000006%

Of the chldren who do not get vaccinated but contract measles, 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis, and 1-2/1000 will die. So the odds here are .1%

Vaccination is much safer than taking your changes with the real deal.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/overview.html

As to a recent measles outbreak in NY, this may be a different one but it looks like none of the people who contracted measles had a documented vaccination at the time of exposure. 12 of the cases were in infants too young to be vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6236a5.htm

And as for the aborted fetuses bit with regard to the Rubella portion of the vaccine, it is true that some of the initial cell line cultures were developed from lung tissue from an aborted fetus in the 1960s. However, no new fetal tissue is used, and there certainly is not any brain tissue involved. In fact, no fetal tissue is in the vaccine at all. It is simply cells that were cultured from that initial tissue.

https://autism.about.com/od/medicalissuesandautis1/f/vaxfetal.htm
https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development

valstulas

mamato3girls

JakMark said:

During a recent outbreak of measles in the upstate ny area 85% of those affected received both rounds of the vaccine and 12% received only one round... In addition to that fact DNA from aborted fetuses is used in the making of that vaccine... Some studies have shown that certain vaccines from certain companies contain the actual brain cells of those fetuses causing the body to attack the vaccinated child's own brain cells... Do your own research and make your own educated decision... I have

I am completely in support of people delaying, selectively or not vaccinating but it is things like this that make people think all those who don't vaccinate on schedule are crazy and pulling misinformation out of thin air. It doesnt help those who do not vaccinate on the CDC schedule to say things like this, it only hurts credibility.

valstulas

mamato3girls said:

JakMark said:

During a recent outbreak of measles in the upstate ny area 85% of those affected received both rounds of the vaccine and 12% received only one round... In addition to that fact DNA from aborted fetuses is used in the making of that vaccine... Some studies have shown that certain vaccines from certain companies contain the actual brain cells of those fetuses causing the body to attack the vaccinated child's own brain cells... Do your own research and make your own educated decision... I have

I am completely in support of people delaying, selectively or not vaccinating but it is things like this that make people think all those who don't vaccinate on schedule are crazy and pulling misinformation out of thin air. It doesnt help those who do not vaccinate on the CDC schedule to say things like this, it only hurts credibility.

Maybe it seems that way bc people who don't vaccinate on schedule really are crazy and pulling misinformation out of thin air. Just a thought.

mamato3girls

There are real and legitimate reasons not to vaccinate on schedule. Like I said several post up I had a child who was hospitalized twice due to vaccinations. Not everyone who chooses to delay and selectively vaccinate is doing so because of misinformation, most are the exact opposite actually. There are always a few out there that want to spout off autism or aborted fetal tissue but the vast majority of us have very real reasons not to follow the CDC recommended schedule. Vaccines can cause reactions, some very serious and some of those reactions can cause long term damage. I will be the first to admit those situations are rare and liked said in my other post there are also risks to not vaccinating on schedule. I don't think anyone who actually has educated themselves on vaccines will tell you that not vaccinating on schedule is completely risk free but for some of us we do have to weigh the risk of both and decide what we can live with.

JakMark

:-@

JakMark

Here u go smart asses https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5905a1.htm https://www.cogforlife.org/catholicguide.pdf Put that in ur pipe and smoke it! U want more I got it... Have a nice night haters

valstulas

@JakMark, here you go:

Dumbass.

 

JakMark

Lol