:::FFFC:::

Mr. & Mrs. Woodtick

jnic0319 said:

My youngest sister told me a couple of months ago that she was scared to go to college and have everyone else's life keep moving on and her to miss everything. She specifically mentioned what if DH and I get KU and she's not there when we tell everyone. We're really close and it made me sad.

Last night I ordered a "Grandpa Est. 2014" and a "Grandma Est. 2014" t-shirt that we could surprise my parents with for their anniversary if we get a BFP next month, month right before my sis goes away, so she could be there. I know it's incredibly presumptuous of me to assume I will get one this soon or to go as far as to buy shirts with a year on them. I figure if it doesn't happen within that time frame, I've wasted $20.

Yay, it may not happen, but don't look at it that way. You are being positive and that's the best way to be.

Sarah52Beth

Valie18 said:

Whenever people ask me what I'm thinking to do when I'm done school I tell them I want to be a prof or go into R&D. Sometimes what I really want is to be a SAHM but I'll never admit it.

Do you not admit that because you don't want people to know you're trying? Just curious where your sentiment is coming from.

Valie18

Mr. & Mrs. Woodtick said:

jnic0319 said:

My youngest sister told me a couple of months ago that she was scared to go to college and have everyone else's life keep moving on and her to miss everything. She specifically mentioned what if DH and I get KU and she's not there when we tell everyone. We're really close and it made me sad.

Last night I ordered a "Grandpa Est. 2014" and a "Grandma Est. 2014" t-shirt that we could surprise my parents with for their anniversary if we get a BFP next month, month right before my sis goes away, so she could be there. I know it's incredibly presumptuous of me to assume I will get one this soon or to go as far as to buy shirts with a year on them. I figure if it doesn't happen within that time frame, I've wasted $20.

Yay, it may not happen, but don't look at it that way. You are being positive and that's the best way to be.

If it doesn't work out it won't be the $20 you're upset about. I think this is an appropriate level of positivity. GL lady!

Mr. & Mrs. Woodtick

vsani said:

Hate it when ppl bitch about their morning sickness X_X

I've never really understood why it bothers people if someone complains about thier morning sickness. Most women who do this are not complaining about being pregnant, they are just tired of feeling like shit!

Pearl1982

@cruelsound, I can't stop staring at your siggy gif.

KatD2011

I was going to POAS this morning and the cup I picked to make my official pee cup apparently has a HOLE in the bottom! Got pee all over myself.

lilysylvis I feel like this may be me today. Sometime you just gotta let it out! lol

Pearl1982

cruelsound said:

Pearl1982 said:

@cruelsound, I can't stop staring at your siggy gif.

I'm so glad TB upgraded and brought back by old sig.

It is making me actually giggle out loud. My pug hops up the stairs like that.

Sarah52Beth

CLECyclist said:

I highly doubt that "most" elective c-sections are done for vanity reasons. Besides, it's not really any of your damn business and doesn't affect your life.

I can only speak for the ones I know about. I'm not going off of some statistic.

CrawltheWarriorKing

cruelsound said:

But really, if any of you chicks want to see my double c/s scars, I've got a webcam.

Hi Cruel, hope all is well!

Just curious...why double?  Do they not always use the same incision or does it depend on healing?

krdesi

lilysylvis said:

I guess where I stand on elective c-sections is that no, I know it doesn't affect me, and fine do what you want. However, I side eye women who make that choice just because they don't want to push a baby out of their vagina, not for medical reasons at all. I have seen posts from women who have done that and I think it's silly. Back problems (or some other hidden medical reason) I would consider a good reason, definitely, but just not wanting to "ruin" your vagina? That's side-eye-able in my opinion.

I just don't understand why it would bother anyone either way. If the baby is healthy and the mother is safe and happy, who cares about what she does with her own body?

CrawltheWarriorKing

vsani said:

Hate it when ppl bitch about their morning sickness X_X

Oh yeah, that's so annoying!  I only bitched about the zofran pump coming out of my thigh to keep me from puking 12 times a day so that I wouldn't have to be in the hospital for the 30 weeks of my pregnancy. 

Regufsevolem

bdcram said:

Oh yeah? I would love to show you mine and have you tell me that it's small.

ETA: Quote fail? I was supposed to quote @regufsevolem

The most current ones I've seen are small.  Sorry that is not the same for you. 

Valie18

Sarah52Beth said:

Whenever people ask me what I'm thinking to do when I'm done school I tell them I want to be a prof or go into R&D. Sometimes what I really want is to be a SAHM but I'll never admit it.

Do you not admit that because you don't want people to know you're trying? Just curious where your sentiment is coming from.

Kind of. I'm confused about it myself. I think the first part is that I want to get this awesome education and I feel like these is an obligation to do something with it and I'm feeling selfish wanting to get out of that part. The second thing is that TTGP or to wanting to be a SAHM is taboo around here and I feel like by protecting myself by not saying anything I'm doing a disservice to future want-to-be-Moms and SAHMs. So mostly I'm just a selfish liar and I'm unclear how bad I feel about it.

Regufsevolem

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Oh yeah? I would love to show you mine and have you tell me that it's small.

ETA: Quote fail? I was supposed to quote @regufsevolem

The most current ones I've seen are small.  Sorry that is not the same for you. 

What do you think is small?

I guess it is up to opinion, they were about 2 inches.

CrawltheWarriorKing

bdcram said:

CrawltheWarriorKing said:

cruelsound said:

But really, if any of you chicks want to see my double c/s scars, I've got a webcam.

Hi Cruel, hope all is well!

Just curious...why double?  Do they not always use the same incision or does it depend on healing?

From what I understand, it would be difficult (almost impossible) to cut through the scar tissue of the original scar. Also the healing time would be way longer.

Didn't know that!

Regufsevolem

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Oh yeah? I would love to show you mine and have you tell me that it's small.

ETA: Quote fail? I was supposed to quote @regufsevolem

The most current ones I've seen are small.  Sorry that is not the same for you. 

What do you think is small?

I guess it is up to opinion, they were about 2 inches.

Wow. How did they get the baby out of an incision that was 2 inches?! Magic baby!

I really have no idea.  That is why before I was pregnant with DS that I wanted an elective C-section.  But then found out that I would be limited to the amount of children I have if I do have a C-section and you have to wait longer in-between having them.  Then I decided against it.  I would've been ok if I HAD to do one for medical reasons, but I would've been very sad.  We want to have about 4 kids and have them one after the other.

Sarah52Beth

Valie18 said:

Sarah52Beth said:

Valie18 said:

Whenever people ask me what I'm thinking to do when I'm done school I tell them I want to be a prof or go into R&D. Sometimes what I really want is to be a SAHM but I'll never admit it.

Do you not admit that because you don't want people to know you're trying? Just curious where your sentiment is coming from.

Kind of. I'm confused about it myself. I think the first part is that I want to get this awesome education and I feel like these is an obligation to do something with it and I'm feeling selfish wanting to get out of that part. The second thing is that TTGP or to wanting to be a SAHM is taboo around here and I feel like by protecting myself by not saying anything I'm doing a disservice to future want-to-be-Moms and SAHMs. So mostly I'm just a selfish liar and I'm unclear how bad I feel about it.

I get what you're saying. You can have a great education and be a SAHM. It is great to have options when your child goes to school, or moves out of the house, or if you find being a SAHM isn't for you. Being a SAHM is a lot of work. No shame!

EmeJay

I sit on public toilets

zg49

I met a friend for dinner last night but didn't really want to go. Forced myself and had a lot of fun but felt a bit guilty for not being in the mood to start. 

krdesi

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Oh yeah? I would love to show you mine and have you tell me that it's small.

ETA: Quote fail? I was supposed to quote @regufsevolem

The most current ones I've seen are small.  Sorry that is not the same for you. 

What do you think is small?

I guess it is up to opinion, they were about 2 inches.
Wow. How did they get the baby out of an incision that was 2 inches?! Magic baby!
I really have no idea.  That is why before I was pregnant with DS that I wanted an elective C-section.  But then found out that I would be limited to the amount of children I have if I do have a C-section and you have to wait longer in-between having them.  Then I decided against it.  I would've been ok if I HAD to do one for medical reasons, but I would've been very sad.  We want to have about 4 kids and have them one after the other.
My cousin has 4 kids and all 3 births were c-sections (one was twins). She was never told that she could only have a certain number of children and she also got pregnant with the twins before her oldest was one, so she didn't have to wait long at all between pregnancies.

Regufsevolem

krdesi said:

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Regufsevolem said:

bdcram said:

Oh yeah? I would love to show you mine and have you tell me that it's small.

ETA: Quote fail? I was supposed to quote @regufsevolem

The most current ones I've seen are small.  Sorry that is not the same for you. 

What do you think is small?

I guess it is up to opinion, they were about 2 inches.

Wow. How did they get the baby out of an incision that was 2 inches?! Magic baby!

I really have no idea.  That is why before I was pregnant with DS that I wanted an elective C-section.  But then found out that I would be limited to the amount of children I have if I do have a C-section and you have to wait longer in-between having them.  Then I decided against it.  I would've been ok if I HAD to do one for medical reasons, but I would've been very sad.  We want to have about 4 kids and have them one after the other.

My cousin has 4 kids and all 3 births were c-sections (one was twins). She was never told that she could only have a certain number of children and she also got pregnant with the twins before her oldest was one, so she didn't have to wait long at all between pregnancies.

That's what my doctor told me.  That most of the time if you have a C-section, then you'd have to have a C-section after that.  Your body can only do so much, and its more risky each time.  Also you have to wait 12 months before even trying again.  I know Doctors all say different things, but I tend to believe them.

krdesi

GhostMonkey said:

krdesi said:

Sarah52Beth said:

I think elective c-sections are ridiculous. I think it is a selfish decision and see no point in having one unless it is deemed medically necessary for the safety of the mom and baby. It is major surgery. Most of the time, I feel it is done for vain reasons.

Recently had a friend on FB posting about doing one. I kept my opinion to myself.

ETA: After reading this again it might be more of a UO. Oh well

Giving yourself a nice big scar is vain? Lol definitely more of a UO though.

What scar? You can't even see mine.

Do you feel the same about plastic surgeries as well? (FTR- I agree with you, just curious.)


Me? I don't really have an opinion about plastic surgery, other than I'd probably not do it myself.

Pearl1982

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

I know you can't "catch" anything from a toilet seat, but... ew.

Milagros315

Valie18 said:

Kind of. I'm confused about it myself. I think the first part is that I want to get this awesome education and I feel like these is an obligation to do something with it and I'm feeling selfish wanting to get out of that part. The second thing is that TTGP or to wanting to be a SAHM is taboo around here and I feel like by protecting myself by not saying anything I'm doing a disservice to future want-to-be-Moms and SAHMs. So mostly I'm just a selfish liar and I'm unclear how bad I feel about it.

I think I can relate to how you feel. I just dropped out of PhD program and I have no idea what I want to do. I think I'd like to be a SAHM, but I really have no idea. People give me a hard time about it though. They can't believe I spent all of this time in school and I don't plan to "use" my degrees. So what - only people who didn't go to college are allowed to be SAHMs? It's really obnoxious, but I admit that sometimes I let it get to me and feel a little bit disappointed in myself. I'm sure I'll feel differently once/if I actually have kids though.

BankerBSN

bdcram said:

thekikimonster said:

Sarah52Beth said:

I think elective c-sections are ridiculous. I think it is a selfish decision and see no point in having one unless it is deemed medically necessary for the safety of the mom and baby. It is major surgery. Most of the time, I feel it is done for vain reasons. Recently had a friend on FB posting about doing one. I kept my opinion to myself. ETA: After reading this again it might be more of a UO. Oh well

Not all elective c-sections are done because a mom doesn't feel like giving birth vaginally. Do you have a back bad? Have you had back surgery? Do you have any idea the kind of stress birth puts on a woman's spine?

Raises hand. This was me. And I am very lucky I was able to "elect" a c-section other wise I might have had to have 2-3 more back surgeries.

Labor and pushing are also very hard on the hips and heart. ACOG stance on elective C/S is that a woman has a right to choose the birth she would like. Therefore, electives are accepted. and please don't think for a second that a c/s is an easY way out. it is MAJOR ABDOMINAL SURGERY that can have very serious complication. We can not start taking away the choices woman have when it come to their bodies.

CrawltheWarriorKing

cruelsound said:

cruelsound said:

But really, if any of you chicks want to see my double c/s scars, I've got a webcam.

Hi Cruel, hope all is well!

Just curious...why double?  Do they not always use the same incision or does it depend on healing?

I just meant I had two, I guess I've never really thought about it. I'm almost positive they went over the old one, they just sewed me up a different way the second time. And heeeeey Crawl!

Ah ok, yeah just asked my SIL and she had it in the same place too.  2 scars would suck and having the current one be opened again weirds me out but you don't have much of a choice if you want another one! 

jjgrl55

GhostMonkey said:

jjgrl55 said:

krdesi said:

I think elective c-sections are ridiculous. I think it is a selfish decision and see no point in having one unless it is deemed medically necessary for the safety of the mom and baby. It is major surgery. Most of the time, I feel it is done for vain reasons. Recently had a friend on FB posting about doing one. I kept my opinion to myself. ETA: After reading this again it might be more of a UO. Oh well

Giving yourself a nice big scar is vain? Lol definitely more of a UO though.

True about the scar, but I'm more thinking of the "too posh too push" mindset, or not wanting your vaginal to be mangled, which from all reports I've heard from other women, it goes back to normal, but some think it will just be completely ruined after a vaginal delivery.

Lol I must admit...I'm a little afraid for my vag too but my mom had a c-section with me and vaginal delivery with my sister and said my sister's was so much easier and so much less of a recovery.

I had major abdominal surgery when I was 14 and the incredibly long, painful recovery makes me so scared of having a c-section. I have no idea how women take care of newborns while in that pain. 

Also, I totally thought most hospitals had gotten over the elective c-section fad when basically EVERY study showed it was basically the worst idea ever. I had no idea you could still get one.

I had minimal pain after a couple days. For some it's really not that bad of a recovery. Some women have terrible recoveries, but some have awful recoveries from vaginal deliveries as well. 4th degree tears are real.

ETA: You can't get one before 39 weeks in 99% of place these days without medical reason. They used to allow women to schedule them at 37 weeks, but they have since noticed that NICU stays skyrocketed and have pushed it back to actual full term at 39 weeks.

Whew. This makes me waaaay less worried about potentially having to have a c-section. 

krdesi said:

I guess where I stand on elective c-sections is that no, I know it doesn't affect me, and fine do what you want. However, I side eye women who make that choice just because they don't want to push a baby out of their vagina, not for medical reasons at all. I have seen posts from women who have done that and I think it's silly. Back problems (or some other hidden medical reason) I would consider a good reason, definitely, but just not wanting to "ruin" your vagina? That's side-eye-able in my opinion.

I just don't understand why it would bother anyone either way. If the baby is healthy and the mother is safe and happy, who cares about what she does with her own body?

The only problem is that c-sections are just generally way riskier than a vaginal birth, to both child and mother, so a purely elective c-section seems like a really big risk for a cosmetic reason. True, like any other medical decision, you have to weigh risk versus outcome, but it's like women who choose to continue smoking when they find out they are pregnant. Perhaps, they are doing it for selfish reasons, perhaps they are doing it because, medically speaking, quitting cold turkey is harder on the baby, but I am still going to side-eye any woman who smokes while pregnant. And I will still side-eye a woman who gets an elective c-section because she is afraid of her vagina will look weird or because she wants to pick her baby's birthday.

Does she have a right to do it? Absolutely. Do I think it's the best decision? No.

tealowl

jnic0319 said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three


That's really gross.


This is me in a public restroom.

EmeJay

jnic0319 said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three

That's really gross.

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

AlfiesMOM

teal owl said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three

That's really gross.

This is me in a public restroom.

Amen!

Pearl1982

EmeJay said:

jnic0319 said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three

That's really gross.

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

Presumably the subway pole doesn't have pee, pubes, shit, or, in the case of my work bathroom, menstrual blood on them.

BankerBSN

GhostMonkey said:

cruelsound said:

I think some of you care way too much about what a woman does with her own body, especially considering it doesn't effect you at all.

In a way it does because often times the hospital charges are much more for a c/s (including a longer stay), and that affects insurance claims and that affects premiums.

I would support forcing truly elective (meaning I don't want to stretch my vag) c-sections to pay OOP the difference between the charges of a vaginal delivery and a c-section. Though that wouldn't matter much because no doctor in their right mind if going to code it as elective if they want to keep that woman as a patient.

I also think we should charge the Providers the difference when they perform a C/S for "failure to dilate" cause they have tickets to a play in 3 hours or a party to go to. Yup. It happens.

EmilyA724

teal owl said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three

That's really gross.

This is me in a public restroom.

I  try to squat but always fail. People who squat must have really strong quads because my legs always end up shaking and then I fall. I just don't understand how not to sit on a toilet...

jjgrl55

Pearl1982 said:

EmeJay said:

jnic0319 said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three

That's really gross.

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

Presumably the subway pole doesn't have pee, pubes, shit, or, in the case of my work bathroom, menstrual blood on them.

Pretty sure Emejay wouldn't sit on a seat covered in piss, shit or menstrual blood. But there isn't anything harmful about sitting on a seat that looks clean.

Most public bathrooms are cleaned more often than your bathroom at home. 

EmeJay

Pearl1982 said:

EmeJay said:

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

Presumably the subway pole doesn't have pee, pubes, shit, or, in the case of my work bathroom, menstrual blood on them.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the grossest things are touched by hands. So yes, the subway pole might have pee, mucus, sweat, saliva and more on it.

Then what do you do with your hands?

Pearl1982

jjgrl55 said:

Pearl1982 said:

EmeJay said:

jnic0319 said:

Diordra said:

lilysylvis said:

EmeJay said:

I sit on public toilets

Me too.

Me three

That's really gross.

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

Presumably the subway pole doesn't have pee, pubes, shit, or, in the case of my work bathroom, menstrual blood on them.

Pretty sure Emejay wouldn't sit on a seat covered in piss, shit or menstrual blood. But there isn't anything harmful about sitting on a seat that looks clean.

Most public bathrooms are cleaned more often than your bathroom at home. 

Good point. But, at least I know that the germs in my bathroom at home are my own, and not a stranger's. Regardless, that's why I mentioned in an earlier post that I know you can't catch anything from a public bathroom. I still think it's gross to sit on the seat, though.

Pearl1982

EmeJay said:

Pearl1982 said:

EmeJay said:

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

Presumably the subway pole doesn't have pee, pubes, shit, or, in the case of my work bathroom, menstrual blood on them.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the grossest things are touched by hands. So yes, the subway pole might have pee, mucus, sweat, saliva and more on it.

Then what do you do with your hands?

I obsessively use hand sanitizer. Also, I realize that subways are gross places, not trying to say otherwise.

BankerBSN

Pearl1982 said:

EmeJay said:

Pearl1982 said:

EmeJay said:

If everyone would just sit on the damn toilet, it wouldn't be gross. People squatting and peeing on the seats ARE the problem.

I don't see why touching a seat with my thighs is more disgusting than opening a door with my hand or holding the pole in the subway.

Presumably the subway pole doesn't have pee, pubes, shit, or, in the case of my work bathroom, menstrual blood on them.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the grossest things are touched by hands. So yes, the subway pole might have pee, mucus, sweat, saliva and more on it.

Then what do you do with your hands?

I obsessively use hand sanitizer. Also, I realize that subways are gross places, not trying to say otherwise.

Yes, subway poles are gross, but falling face first on the subway floor is grosser. :::grabs on to pole:::

CrawltheWarriorKing

Not really flame worthy but I miss charting, I really enjoyed see what my body was doing in a chart!

EmeJay

Meh - Since I will be out of town next week, here's my UO: I don't give a fuck about germs. I'm healthy as a horse and it takes a lot for me to feel disgusted.