1. Some of the other "news" articles on this site include "Pope presents Mark of the Beast/Antichrist Agenda at Catholic Conference," "Plans Underway to Microchip All Newborns in U.S. and Europe," and "Mute Toddler Prophecies, 'Jesus Coming w/ Fire, Things will Burn up!'" So, um... sorry, but I don't consider a site that has a headline featuring prophecies from a mute toddler as a legitimate news source.
and 2. I don't take medical advice from people whose title is not "Dr." The primary person interviewed in this article is named "Ms. Danneman" who is the director of the "National Coalition of Organized Women," an organization that, as far as I can tell, doesn't even have a website. So... no.
ETA - I should clarify that I do take medical advice from people like nurses, physician's assistants, physical therapists, etc. People with no letters following their name who direct a potentially made-up organization? No. Just no,
1. Some of the other "news" articles on this site include "Pope presents Mark of the Beast/Antichrist Agenda at Catholic Conference," "Plans Underway to Microchip All Newborns in U.S. and Europe," and "Mute Toddler Prophecies, 'Jesus Coming w/ Fire, Things will Burn up!'" So, um... sorry, but I don't consider a site that has a headline featuring prophecies from a mute toddler as a legitimate news source.
and 2. I don't take medical advice from people whose title is not "Dr." The primary person interviewed in this article is named "Ms. Danneman" who is the director of the "National Coalition of Organized Women," an organization that, as far as I can tell, doesn't even have a website. So... no.
ETA - I should clarify that I do take medical advice from people like nurses, physician's assistants, physical therapists, etc. People with no letters following their name who direct a potentially made-up organization? No. Just no,
Yeah, I didn't even click on the link because I knew it was total bullshit immediately.
But don't you want to know the rest of the mute toddler's prophecies???????
I've never had the flu shot and will never get one. Same goes for DS. I'm a TERRIBLE mother!!! haha I'm a teacher and I'm sure I'm exposed to every stand of flu that is out there. The flu shot only "protects" you from certain strands when there are TONS out there. I believe in washing hands and doing things to reduce the spread of germs. I know some will flame, but I will never change my mind on this one. I'm ok with being a terrible mother and being sooooooooo at risk. haha! There has to be others out there that are against the flu shot. I speak to people daily that do not believe in them.
I don't go here but this sentence horrifies me. I am assuming [hoping] you're being sarcastic because if you recognize that you're being terrible but are ok with it there is seriously something wrong with you.
Also the term "I don't believe in..." in regards to something that exists and is tangible is strange.
You go here if you want to go here. You don't need to have a baby in your uterus to post on this board!
@LRod2 I just want to say that that is the best response to one of these posts I've ever read. I hope people took the time to read the whole thing.
I get my flu shot yearly. I have friends with kids who cannot get it because of allergies/complications. I wouldn't put them at risk of a potentially deadly disease.
I am sure if your child lands up in a PICU on ECMO your haha attitude would change quickly. Before you decide what's best for your child do some real research. The flu does kill. It even kills previously healthy individuals. I get mine every year. It's sad every year the kids that die in the hospital I work at because lack of flu vaccine. My DD has an egg allergy and she even gets it under direct supervision of her allergist office.
@LRod2 I just want to say that that is the best response to one of these posts I've ever read. I hope people took the time to read the whole thing.
I get my flu shot yearly. I have friends with kids who cannot get it because of allergies/complications. I wouldn't put them at risk of a potentially deadly disease.
Aw, thanks! There is a lot of good, solid information in this thread (as well as some comically bad). I've been lurking for 2 weeks, and initially I didn't quite know what to make of some of the snark, but the more I read, the better I see the necessity of it. A certain integrity must be maintained if this is to be considered a place to go when you need information. There is so much bad information out there (I'm looking at you, Jenny McCarthy!), and just within this thread it's obvious that at least two people have fallen into the bilge of it and are trying to spread it. Thankfully, most of you ladies call it when you see it, and I think that's great! Smoke up the ass is a great disservice, particularly to a pregnant woman who is likely bloated as it is and can't deal with any more gas and other products in the body cavity. I know I sure can't!
Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.
We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.
We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
It is required at my hospital to have an annual flu shot. The only excuse is medical reasons/allergy. If someone refuses to get one, they must wear a mask at all times during flu season.
Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.
We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
That's how my DH's hospital is. You either get the flu shot, you sign a waver and wear a mask all flu season, or you are suspended.
Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
At my school we are required unless we have an exemption. I'm exempt due to my allergy, but I'll be getting the new version that does not contain the egg protein once it's available it our area.
There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it). No single strain of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune system. There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism, schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science still does not know the cause of those diseases. Medical science DOES know that mercury is bad for you. I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.
Late to the party so my apologies if this has been addressed....
There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the
organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other
childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it). No single strain
of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended
childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine
does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are
considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune
system. There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies
of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism,
schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science
still does not know the cause of those diseases. Medical science DOES
know that mercury is bad for you. I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.
You may care to read my earlier response to another poster who said much the same thing. In response to your link, please allow me to clear up some points comparing the toxicity of ordinary foods to that of mercury. The toxin in the green part of the potato is deactivated with cooking. The toxin in cashews is eventually washed out of your system and never builds up - unlike mercury, which is never eliminated from the body and only builds up over time, with each new ingestion. The toxin in rhubarb is also eliminate from the body by the body's natural cleansing process, which is impossible with mercury. Most people eat their egg whites cooked. I like lima beans, though most people don't eat them much anymore. Phytic acid can be eliminated from the body eventually, like all of the toxins mentioned here. Even cyanide (while lethal in larger doses) will eventually be eliminated from a body which does not die of it. However, most people don't need to worry about the cyanide in apricot pits, because no one eats the pit of the apricot! The toxins in kidney beans, greens, and mushrooms, again, disappear with cooking or are eliminated from the body over time. Ricin, like cyanide, does not kill in smaller doses, and will be eliminated from the body if it does not kill - and very little of it ends up in candy. It is fallacious to compare the toxins that are found in food and can be dealt with by the body to the unknown long-term consequences of ingesting a poison which stays in the body. Furthermore, I invite you to consider that medical science has yet to prove what causes many different diseases. We have not yet cured cancer. Our understanding of the human body is terribly limited. When most vaccines are available without mercury, and the causes of so many diseases are unknown, it is only common sense to limit your exposure to a poison that you can never cleanse from your body.
Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival. Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong. It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves. Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining. If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others. While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination. When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace. Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being. Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated. Anything else is barbaric. Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless. Its only function is cruelty.
There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the
organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other
childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it). No single strain
of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended
childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine
does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are
considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune
system. There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies
of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism,
schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science
still does not know the cause of those diseases. Medical science DOES
know that mercury is bad for you. I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.
You may care to read my earlier response to another poster who said much the same thing. In response to your link, please allow me to clear up some points comparing the toxicity of ordinary foods to that of mercury. The toxin in the green part of the potato is deactivated with cooking. The toxin in cashews is eventually washed out of your system and never builds up - unlike mercury, which is never eliminated from the body and only builds up over time, with each new ingestion. The toxin in rhubarb is also eliminate from the body by the body's natural cleansing process, which is impossible with mercury. Most people eat their egg whites cooked. I like lima beans, though most people don't eat them much anymore. Phytic acid can be eliminated from the body eventually, like all of the toxins mentioned here. Even cyanide (while lethal in larger doses) will eventually be eliminated from a body which does not die of it. However, most people don't need to worry about the cyanide in apricot pits, because no one eats the pit of the apricot! The toxins in kidney beans, greens, and mushrooms, again, disappear with cooking or are eliminated from the body over time. Ricin, like cyanide, does not kill in smaller doses, and will be eliminated from the body if it does not kill - and very little of it ends up in candy. It is fallacious to compare the toxins that are found in food and can be dealt with by the body to the unknown long-term consequences of ingesting a poison which stays in the body. Furthermore, I invite you to consider that medical science has yet to prove what causes many different diseases. We have not yet cured cancer. Our understanding of the human body is terribly limited. When most vaccines are available without mercury, and the causes of so many diseases are unknown, it is only common sense to limit your exposure to a poison that you can never cleanse from your body.
Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival. Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong. It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves. Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining. If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others. While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination. When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace. Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being. Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated. Anything else is barbaric. Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless. Its only function is cruelty.
Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
At my school we are required unless we have an exemption. I'm exempt due to my allergy, but I'll be getting the new version that does not contain the egg protein once it's available it our area.
ETA my issue is with chicken egg protein. I googled to see what the hell you're talking about and only came up with a bunch of weird religious "news" sites.
I was joking, jeez. It was all that was missing from this conspiracy/ vaccines are evil thread.
I say survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory will continue to work on vaccine conspiracy theorists. My gf is one of them and this year she visited the ER 3 times with her 3 year old and newborn after contracting the flu (not even h1n1). I'm just waiting for her to get pneumonia one day and be taught her lesson. You can't convince certain people of factual scientific evidence because their fear factor overrides logical reasoning. It's the reason people like Bush Jr was so successful at manipulating the public. When fear takes over logic gets overridden.
I would quote, but there's just too much text to make this an easy read. Anybody who has been following the thread will get it anyway; it's just a few posts up.
Again, let me emphasize the importance of doing your research. Thimerosal is made with ethyl mercury (already stated), which is totally different from methyl mercury. This does not build up in your body and is not harmful. I think your issue is not understanding chemistry. Be careful with your chemistry facts. It's like saying you refuse to drink water (safe!) because it's 1 atom away from being hydrogen peroxide (kills you!) (H2O vs. H2O2). Here is a CDC reference: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html
Also, YOU have limited understanding of the human body compared to what modern medicine knows. Cancer is not a single disease by any means. Not all cancers function the same. The only thing all cancers have in common is uncontrolled cell growth, but this is just the definition of cancer. There will never be a magical one stop cure for cancer because they have different causes and different mechanistic pathways. Some of the more mild cancers are pretty easily treatable. Sure there's a lot we don't know, but hey, how about we pay attention to the stuff we do know for now, and leave the real thinking to the professionals.
I say survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory will continue to work on vaccine conspiracy theorists. My gf is one of them and this year she visited the ER 3 times with her 3 year old and newborn after contracting the flu (not even h1n1). I'm just waiting for her to get pneumonia one day and be taught her lesson. You can't convince certain people of factual scientific evidence because their fear factor overrides logical reasoning. It's the reason people like Bush Jr was so successful at manipulating the public. When fear takes over logic gets overridden.
I also have an anti vax friend. She has two kids of her own and a foster kid. When she is not complaining that she is forced to vaccinate her foster kid with poison and posting anti-vax bs she is posting about her youngest (15months) being sick ans hospitalized. I want to shake her!!
I would quote, but there's just too much text to make this an easy read. Anybody who has been following the thread will get it anyway; it's just a few posts up.
Again, let me emphasize the importance of doing your research. Thimerosal is made with ethyl mercury (already stated), which is totally different from methyl mercury. This does not build up in your body and is not harmful. I think your issue is not understanding chemistry. Be careful with your chemistry facts. It's like saying you refuse to drink water (safe!) because it's 1 atom away from being hydrogen peroxide (kills you!) (H2O vs. H2O2). Here is a CDC reference: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html
Also, YOU have limited understanding of the human body compared to what modern medicine knows. Cancer is not a single disease by any means. Not all cancers function the same. The only thing all cancers have in common is uncontrolled cell growth, but this is just the definition of cancer. There will never be a magical one stop cure for cancer because they have different causes and different mechanistic pathways. Some of the more mild cancers are pretty easily treatable. Sure there's a lot we don't know, but hey, how about we pay attention to the stuff we do know for now, and leave the real thinking to the professionals.
She was told this many times but keeps choosing to ignore it. I guess if you ignore the facts long enough, it negates them?
I doubt this is a convincing argument to someone with fear about vaccines and doubts about their relationship to long term health issues like cancer; but it is an interesting way to see how the choices of a few can have a much larger impact.
There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it). No single strain of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune system. There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism, schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science still does not know the cause of those diseases. Medical science DOES know that mercury is bad for you. I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.
Late to the party so my apologies if this has been addressed....
You may care to read my earlier response to another poster who said much the same thing. In response to your link, please allow me to clear up some points comparing the toxicity of ordinary foods to that of mercury. The toxin in the green part of the potato is deactivated with cooking. The toxin in cashews is eventually washed out of your system and never builds up - unlike mercury, which is never eliminated from the body and only builds up over time, with each new ingestion. The toxin in rhubarb is also eliminate from the body by the body's natural cleansing process, which is impossible with mercury. Most people eat their egg whites cooked. I like lima beans, though most people don't eat them much anymore. Phytic acid can be eliminated from the body eventually, like all of the toxins mentioned here. Even cyanide (while lethal in larger doses) will eventually be eliminated from a body which does not die of it. However, most people don't need to worry about the cyanide in apricot pits, because no one eats the pit of the apricot! The toxins in kidney beans, greens, and mushrooms, again, disappear with cooking or are eliminated from the body over time. Ricin, like cyanide, does not kill in smaller doses, and will be eliminated from the body if it does not kill - and very little of it ends up in candy. It is fallacious to compare the toxins that are found in food and can be dealt with by the body to the unknown long-term consequences of ingesting a poison which stays in the body. Furthermore, I invite you to consider that medical science has yet to prove what causes many different diseases. We have not yet cured cancer. Our understanding of the human body is terribly limited. When most vaccines are available without mercury, and the causes of so many diseases are unknown, it is only common sense to limit your exposure to a poison that you can never cleanse from your body.
Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival. Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong. It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves. Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining. If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others. While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination. When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace. Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being. Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated. Anything else is barbaric. Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless. Its only function is cruelty.
I say survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory will continue to work on vaccine conspiracy theorists. My gf is one of them and this year she visited the ER 3 times with her 3 year old and newborn after contracting the flu (not even h1n1). I'm just waiting for her to get pneumonia one day and be taught her lesson. You can't convince certain people of factual scientific evidence because their fear factor overrides logical reasoning. It's the reason people like Bush Jr was so successful at manipulating the public. When fear takes over logic gets overridden.
I also have an anti vax friend. She has two kids of her own and a foster kid. When she is not complaining that she is forced to vaccinate her foster kid with poison and posting anti-vax bs she is posting about her youngest (15months) being sick ans hospitalized. I want to shake her!!
What bugs me is that most anti vaxers are probably vaccinated themselves from childhood. So they don't have to worry about getting these deadly diseases that are seeing a comeback. Instead they take it out on their kids who have no say in the matter and end up paying the price for their parents decision.
I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot. I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day. This happens to be my own personal belief as well. I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child. I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough. I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle. I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot. I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day. This happens to be my own personal belief as well. I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child. I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough. I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle. I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
Re: Anyone else against the flu shot?
I see your stupid and raise you science...
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/266513.php
You go here if you want to go here. You don't need to have a baby in your uterus to post on this board!
I get my flu shot yearly. I have friends with kids who cannot get it because of allergies/complications. I wouldn't put them at risk of a potentially deadly disease.
I want this explanation of snark stickeyed for all the newbs, idiots, and white knights to see!
We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
If you're avoiding small amounts of poison you might want to edit your next grocery list.
https://io9.com/5810568/ten-foods-in-your-kitchen-that-contain-gruesome-poisons
Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival. Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong. It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves. Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining. If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others. While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination. When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace. Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being. Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated. Anything else is barbaric. Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless. Its only function is cruelty.
What an ignorant, condescending load of bullshit.
@rainydayluck WTH?
For clarification, I was talking about this vaccine, which my doctor says will be safe for me.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-flu-vaccine-for-people-allergic-to-eggs/
ETA my issue is with chicken egg protein. I googled to see what the hell you're talking about and only came up with a bunch of weird religious "news" sites.
I was joking, jeez. It was all that was missing from this conspiracy/ vaccines are evil thread.
I doubt this is a convincing argument to someone with fear about vaccines and doubts about their relationship to long term health issues like cancer; but it is an interesting way to see how the choices of a few can have a much larger impact.
Edited to trim some trees..
< You may care to read my earlier response to another poster who said much the same thing. In response to your link, please allow me to clear up some points comparing the toxicity of ordinary foods to that of mercury. The toxin in the green part of the potato is deactivated with cooking. The toxin in cashews is eventually washed out of your system and never builds up - unlike mercury, which is never eliminated from the body and only builds up over time, with each new ingestion. The toxin in rhubarb is also eliminate from the body by the body's natural cleansing process, which is impossible with mercury. Most people eat their egg whites cooked. I like lima beans, though most people don't eat them much anymore. Phytic acid can be eliminated from the body eventually, like all of the toxins mentioned here. Even cyanide (while lethal in larger doses) will eventually be eliminated from a body which does not die of it. However, most people don't need to worry about the cyanide in apricot pits, because no one eats the pit of the apricot! The toxins in kidney beans, greens, and mushrooms, again, disappear with cooking or are eliminated from the body over time. Ricin, like cyanide, does not kill in smaller doses, and will be eliminated from the body if it does not kill - and very little of it ends up in candy. It is fallacious to compare the toxins that are found in food and can be dealt with by the body to the unknown long-term consequences of ingesting a poison which stays in the body. Furthermore, I invite you to consider that medical science has yet to prove what causes many different diseases. We have not yet cured cancer. Our understanding of the human body is terribly limited. When most vaccines are available without mercury, and the causes of so many diseases are unknown, it is only common sense to limit your exposure to a poison that you can never cleanse from your body.
Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival. Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong. It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves. Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining. If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others. While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination. When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace. Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being. Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated. Anything else is barbaric. Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless. Its only function is cruelty.
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Hi, abigail/cruelsound/whocanitbenow.