I agree @bridgettetheboxer patriarchy the way it was done was wrong and directed by men. Not allowing women to work was wrong. Controlling a woman and her body is and was wrong. Gender roles made sense anatomically in the caveman days. When we became more civilized it did not so it changed with it. In many ways lagging alot. To say men created our gender roles is saying man created man and that is something none of us know. If man did create man then by all means they should own their creation. I think man did not create man and that they simply fell into what was easily viewed as their roles. Falling inline as women did. To some men I'm sure against what they may have wanted too. Both roles have things that suck and thankfully we live in a time where people can somewhat remove themselves from the anatomy trap that is gender if they choose. I mean I cannot even fathom feeling as if I were a man and being pregnant. That would be such a hard thing to deal with in a woman's body. To feel so out of control or out of sorts. More so than pregnancy already does without having the inner battle. Denying what people are born to naturally is wrong too. Also denying that gender roles and gender tendencies are 2 different things.
I find it strange to see people label their child as a different gender because they like dresses or the color pink. Gendering them as something other than their biological gender based off an opinion of something so small. Also minimizing the genders themselves to preferences. Further boxing in said child. Boys and Girls can all like the same things and can all be who they are. There are still traits that they tend to hold. Just simple psychology of how our brains are "generally" wired.
Every homeschool mom I meet says the same thing to me. My girls have been so much easier than my boys. Generally boys have a much higher ADHD rate. Doesn't mean girls don't have it. Generalizations of a sex are not putting them in a specific role and to do so should not be a triggering thing.
@thoseboysmama I think you took what I said to be more of a direct criticism of you, which it wasn't. I wasn't triggered by the conversation, though it seems something I said hit a nerve for you. Wasn't suggesting anything about you or your kids. Some children WILL fit into all the stereotypes of their gender just because that's who they are - the only issue to me is if a child feels forced to conform to something that isn't them. My oldest LOVED cars and trucks, just because that's who he is. He also loved dance and drawing. My second does not care about cars in the slightest, but is a very rough and tumble, physical guy. I don't think any of those traits should be considered inherently one gender or the other, however. I think they're just children and human beings generally existing on a spectrum of interests. And interests have nothing to do with any biological difference relating to my reproductive system. I don't like when people make comments to my children about their gender, because for my part, I don't particularly care if someone means well if the impact is negative. Making comments on the physical appearance of my child in a negative way isn't cool. Talking about how boys are worse/harder than girls isn't helpful or beneficial to my boys. The use of the word triggered as a dirty word is also an odd turn of events in the cultural sphere to me, because it's just criticizing someone for having a feeling. All feelings are okay - not all actions are. But being triggered is just having a feeling. It doesn't mean I've forced someone else to be responsible for my feeling, or that I live in that feeling. And disagreement isn't the same as being triggered 👍
Who knew the term misogyny was so triggering, I'm glad to utilize the block button for random people who constantly want to insert themselves into a conversation and get pissy about opinions.
@thoseboysmama yikes. It's a bummer to hear that you've only participated here the last several weeks as a sociology experiment of some sort. Good luck with that I guess.
I mean you each are too, in your own ways. You need the support for whatever reason and look to strangers online to give it. It's very interesting to see. Nothing I said while participating was false or used to be misleading, but the experiment nonetheless was able to be completed. It turned into something completely different from what I originally thought but a gem indeed. I can't wait to see the end. I may still tweak it. Most the women on here were completely welcoming and level headed. Others are definitely on a spectrum. I highly suggest counseling from a real professional not strangers online. When they agree with you or vice versa it is some sort of validation, no matter how bogus it's Solomon and Asche all over again. Just like the pandemic proved to be true. Such a lush era for psychology.
Hey @kalesix3 just FYI. I don’t find you an overly sensitive victim at all.. I find you to be very self aware and empathetic. I have no doubt you’re raising beautiful humans.
@bridgettetheboxer how well do you know her? From some posts online? You said humans she has 1 son. I mean really how well do you know eachother. Just what you share none of that is reality. You don't even know her name. Who knows maybe she's not even pregnant or a man? People are so trusting of the personas others post online. It's not healthy.
@thoseboysmama I've noticed you wear it as a badge of pride that you "aren't very emotional" so truthfully I don't find you to be the best judge of a healthy range of feelings. Clearly it is no small number of people who look to online communities for support, so a bit odd to suggest that I'm somehow specifically bad for doing it. I have been in therapy, thank you for the suggestion, though you wording it as though it is a dig at me to get counseling is also odd. Hope your bogus validation from your sociology professor makes you feel better about your weird disconnection from your own feelings such that you have to mock others for having them and not feeling shame for expressing them.
@thescarletmom oh no I have feelings and emotions too. I have control of them. It's a healthy thing to learn early in life. It was not a snide remark to suggest counseling it's a very healthy thing. I did counseling young to learn the range of motions and how to control them, how to realize and analyze them before they control you. Something I think schooling ingeneral lacks to help teach and should amongst many other things. None of this was a dig at anyone. Looking online for support is not the most healthy approach. The internet is often not what it seems. One person started the shame game here. Let's not pretend she didn't. It's what I knew would happen when I commented on the gender tendencies of males as children, which is exactly what she said her son was doing. But by showing it was a gendered tendency I knew I was going to get some flack. I knew it would be a misogyny comment and wow did she jump on it. Shaming someone for pointing out a tendency even with a preface beforehand. Like bugs to a light. Fish to a worm she bit. All while passive aggressively doing so and throwing shade for simply responding to her own public post. Classic. I need no validation from my Professor. She has been really intrigued by this process and has even made an acct to witness it. It's nothing more than a stepping stone in my education. The best was the last misogyny attack I saw it was priceless it solidified my decision. I've been lurking for months and finally posted in Feb. All the comments are locked in. This was not just a couple weeks. Like I said I wish all of you the best and encourage you to go to your private group for the end for your own sanity. You all have a nice little group here and should enjoy it together.
@thoseboysmama As someone who works at a university and conducts qualitative research, I would like to point out that your tactics here have been academically and ethically dishonest. If your "thesis" is merely a class paper or project, then sure, you don't necessarily need IRB approval or informed consent. But if you want your thesis archived or published, you've likely rendered your work ineligible due to your failure to observe basic research ethics.
I'm also concerned about what your Soc department is teaching if you've not yet learned the distinction between sex, gender, and sexual orientation.
Sex = biology, aka what parts you are born with
Gender = a social construct, aka who you are in your lived experience
Sexual orientation = whom you find attractive, aka who you love/lust for
So repeatedly stating the gender is biology is simply not correct.
FINAL NOTE TO ALL: I suggest that we stop engaging with @thoseboysmama, period. If they are not here in good faith, we can simply choose not to engage. Personally, that's what I will do.
I never said it was a soc and it was not the entirety my thesis. No ethics have been crossed. I never defined a single gender I showed the gender norms and tendencies that are innately to your biology. Each week we say boy or girl. Which is a sex also known as gender. It's toxic and unhealthy to teach otherwise. You @peyts228 are exactly the problem with education. To question what is taught is now somehow wrong. There is 1 teacher and he is ALL teachers. (Or shall I say she for the easily triggered) I can be taught something and still disagree with it as it is taught. These are more so opinions we bend to or whims in these days.
Having a personality that makes you feel more male or female, or neither should not change your gender or how we do anatomy and doctors office paperwork. It's a wild world we are falling into. Everyone should be accepted. Doesn't change biology.
My thesis will be fine I performed many studies during this and the bump has just been the icing on the cake. Ethically you can use anything someone willingly posts online for a study. Interactions were truthful and due to the anonymity of online forums, ethically sound.
Education should always be expanding. We've seen the suicide rates from the gender confusions that have happened in the last few years and this boom is a mental health concern, something we in that profession are very worried about. Support is beyond necessary, but so is honesty. There is something off. Testerone levels have dropped massively. Estrogen levels are rising. There are many issues and not addressing them is not helping anything or anyone.
Sexuality is completely different and was never mentioned. We have lesbians and gays in my friends and family circle. To me gender itself plays little and is all about attraction. Although many try to teach otherwise. They have participated in this and their thoughts on what is going on is something I really was interested in. All are very concerned with the current trajectory for our youth.
I even suggested you go private. I back that 100%. Posting publicly is free game for all.
Re: March Randoms
Gender roles made sense anatomically in the caveman days. When we became more civilized it did not so it changed with it. In many ways lagging alot. To say men created our gender roles is saying man created man and that is something none of us know. If man did create man then by all means they should own their creation. I think man did not create man and that they simply fell into what was easily viewed as their roles. Falling inline as women did. To some men I'm sure against what they may have wanted too. Both roles have things that suck and thankfully we live in a time where people can somewhat remove themselves from the anatomy trap that is gender if they choose.
I mean I cannot even fathom feeling as if I were a man and being pregnant. That would be such a hard thing to deal with in a woman's body. To feel so out of control or out of sorts. More so than pregnancy already does without having the inner battle.
Denying what people are born to naturally is wrong too. Also denying that gender roles and gender tendencies are 2 different things.
I find it strange to see people label their child as a different gender because they like dresses or the color pink. Gendering them as something other than their biological gender based off an opinion of something so small. Also minimizing the genders themselves to preferences. Further boxing in said child. Boys and Girls can all like the same things and can all be who they are. There are still traits that they tend to hold. Just simple psychology of how our brains are "generally" wired.
Every homeschool mom I meet says the same thing to me. My girls have been so much easier than my boys. Generally boys have a much higher ADHD rate. Doesn't mean girls don't have it. Generalizations of a sex are not putting them in a specific role and to do so should not be a triggering thing.
All while passive aggressively doing so and throwing shade for simply responding to her own public post. Classic.
I need no validation from my Professor. She has been really intrigued by this process and has even made an acct to witness it. It's nothing more than a stepping stone in my education.
The best was the last misogyny attack I saw it was priceless it solidified my decision. I've been lurking for months and finally posted in Feb. All the comments are locked in. This was not just a couple weeks. Like I said I wish all of you the best and encourage you to go to your private group for the end for your own sanity. You all have a nice little group here and should enjoy it together.
I'm also concerned about what your Soc department is teaching if you've not yet learned the distinction between sex, gender, and sexual orientation.
Sex = biology, aka what parts you are born with
So repeatedly stating the gender is biology is simply not correct.
FINAL NOTE TO ALL: I suggest that we stop engaging with @thoseboysmama, period. If they are not here in good faith, we can simply choose not to engage. Personally, that's what I will do.
I never defined a single gender I showed the gender norms and tendencies that are innately to your biology.
Each week we say boy or girl. Which is a sex also known as gender. It's toxic and unhealthy to teach otherwise.
You @peyts228 are exactly the problem with education. To question what is taught is now somehow wrong. There is 1 teacher and he is ALL teachers. (Or shall I say she for the easily triggered) I can be taught something and still disagree with it as it is taught. These are more so opinions we bend to or whims in these days.
Having a personality that makes you feel more male or female, or neither should not change your gender or how we do anatomy and doctors office paperwork. It's a wild world we are falling into. Everyone should be accepted. Doesn't change biology.
My thesis will be fine I performed many studies during this and the bump has just been the icing on the cake. Ethically you can use anything someone willingly posts online for a study. Interactions were truthful and due to the anonymity of online forums, ethically sound.
Education should always be expanding. We've seen the suicide rates from the gender confusions that have happened in the last few years and this boom is a mental health concern, something we in that profession are very worried about. Support is beyond necessary, but so is honesty. There is something off. Testerone levels have dropped massively. Estrogen levels are rising. There are many issues and not addressing them is not helping anything or anyone.
Sexuality is completely different and was never mentioned. We have lesbians and gays in my friends and family circle. To me gender itself plays little and is all about attraction. Although many try to teach otherwise. They have participated in this and their thoughts on what is going on is something I really was interested in. All are very concerned with the current trajectory for our youth.
I even suggested you go private. I back that 100%. Posting publicly is free game for all.