IF Teating & Treatment w/o 8.16

inthewoods23 · August 2021

This is a place for those of us who have already started TTC, but have started infertility testing and/or treatments. You can express your thoughts, feelings, and frustrations on infertility. TTC can be a long journey naturally, then add in the difficulties associated with infertility, and it becomes a whole new ball game. The road to infertility can be lonely, frustrating, and complicated, so let's make this a place where we can vent, ask questions, and support one another. Feel free to resurrect this thread at any point in the week if you have something to say. Treat this as an ongoing conversation.

Diagnosis (if you've been):

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?):

How are things going?:

Any questions?:

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend?

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bumblebee0210 · August 2021

Diagnosis (if you've been): RPL, DOR

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): TWW

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): between ERs

How are things going?: Not fantastic. TBH, I am having some feelings. I am going to put them in the spoiler below because they mention both mcs and the possibility of spontaneous pregnancy.

Most of you know, I decided to do IVF because I was having repeated miscarriage that I suspected were due to aneuploidy, and I wanted the option to have more than 2 kids, and so banking embryos with PGT-A testing would help me to have a lower mc chance, and preserve fertility. After 4 rounds of ERs, we have two euploid and one mosaic embryo frozen.

I have been very ambivalent about trying on the off-cycles between ERs. On the one hand, a spontaneous pregnancy would be a relief and a joy-- obviously pregnancy is the point of this whole endeavor! On the other hand, spontaneous pregnancy would carry a high(ish) miscarriage probability (since my eggs are pretty f-ed), and also potentially cut off any future embryo-banking before we have "enough" (how many is enough is a whole other question...)

Cut to this cycle-- MH and I discussed it and both felt pretty ambivalent. We decided not to try, but we didn't avoid either, and ended up with what I think was pretty decent timing. I guess I thought being an old veteran and also being actually genuinely ambivalent about getting pregnant this cycle would make the TWW easier, but I have fallen right back into the old obsession and anxieties, which are not helped by the fact that my post-ER cycle feels particularly hormone-y relative to a typical cycle to me. I am to the point of hoping for AF to just come and put me out of my misery. I just *hate* that I still have the ability to get his worked up at this stage in the game.

Any questions?: Naw, I'm just here for the @optimistgardener and @acleverusername PGT-A results

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend? 20

optimistgardener · August 2021

Diagnosis (if you've been): AMA, DOR, 1 ovary

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): I don't know

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): absorbing the news (below)

How are things going?: sh***y. the news is that all four of my embryos were abnormal. two are "complexly abnormal." I am waiting for a callback to schedule a meeting with the RE to chat about what this means and what my options might be.

Any questions?: Not really. I don't know. I am feeling pretty bummed. Wondering if this means I should give up.

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend? 24 years!

Sorry I'm gonna hold on tags for right now because I'm kinda a mess.

bumblebee0210 · August 2021

@optimistgardener. Oh no-- I am so sorry. FWIW, everything I know is that if your body is making blastocysts, it's just a numbers game. That is-- you may have just gotten a bad draw. But obviously your doctor will know more and it will be a big decision whether to roll the dice again in terms of money, time, stress, etc. I'm so, so sorry. I know the feeling of going through an entire cycle for nothing. Please take care of yourself today.

optimistgardener · August 2021

Thanks @bumblebee0210.

I know this isn't a place for politics so I'll keep it vague, but the last few days have been rough for a whole host of reasons. I am just very dispirited. And of course the clinic call came at the same moment as I was trying to juggle picking up my lunch order at a restaurant so then I was left with this big plate of food and a deep sense of nausea.

Now, someone else please go shout at the peggy in the "am i pregnant" post because if i do i will get myself banned.

inthewoods23 · August 2021

@optimistgardener I'm so sorry they were all abnormal. This sucks so much. Feel all the feelings if you need to and be kind to yourself

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ETA: don't worry @optimistgardener, I got that Peggy for you.

bows22 · August 2021

@optimistgardener oh my gosh I’m so, so sorry. I wish I could give you a hug right now. I hope you get to talk to the RE soon and that they think it’s just crappy luck and you can try again soon. ❤️

optimistgardener · August 2021

thank you @inthewoods23 that was gratifying. it's dumb because who cares, but receiving my news and then logging on to TB to see some random's blazing positive HPT was kinda rage-inducing. "yup, you definitely seem pregnant. fantastic news, stranger lady. you probably managed it on your first month off of bcps, too. now let me tell you about my saga."

inthewoods23 · August 2021

@optimistgardener it was the most blatantly obvious positive I've ever seen on a blue dye. Like how TF could you probably want/need other people's opinions on your test??

It's like whoop-dee-doo! IDGAF.

optimistgardener · August 2021

@inthewoods23 i guess she has recognized her mistake. still, i don't get the desire to recruit strangers into celebrating on your behalf? i'm sure she knew it was positive. it's just so weird. apologies for my extremely bad attitude right this minute, but it feels like a real failure of the imagination to not think through how your good news might not be welcomed in a community of people struggling to conceive, whom you've never met. anyway. preaching to the choir here, i know.

inthewoods23 · August 2021

@optimistgardener they just want to be AWs because they never actually repost their photos over in 1st Tri. Or even come back to TB probably lol.

Anyway.... here's to hoping Tuesday turns out better than today!

acleverusername · August 2021

@optimistgardener oh girl… I am so so so sorry. 😭🫂 My heart is breaking for you. I have no idea what “complexly abnormal” means; have never heard of that kind of grading. However, should you ever go down the path of exploring transferring abnormal embryos, I just wanted to share this: https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/service/fertility-and-reproductive-health/tame

Above all else, just take the time you need to process. One foot in front of the other.

acleverusername · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 I’m sorry you’re going through so many complex emotions vis-à-vis NTNP. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I hope AF comes soon so you can get your ERs started again. Also, YGPM.

optimistgardener · August 2021

good morning y'all. i see we're having an influx of randoms. why do they always come in clusters?

i'm feeling a bit better this morning still just, so disappointed. i had really allowed myself to believe that with four decent-quality blasts i was pretty well set to land at least one. part of me looks at my abnormal embryos and says, "of course, this explains all your bfns. your eggs are just 💩." and the other part of me says, "but you know other folks on this board who have good results one retrieval, and then crappy ones the next. it's just random." I really hope that @bumblebee0210 is right and I'll be able to turn around and do this again with better results. But I'm a little haunted by the nurse I spoke with yesterday (who is still not the main scheduling nurse, she's still on vacation till next week). When I stumblingly tried to shift gears from her delivery of my crappy news to my asking about getting a plan rolling for another retrieval, she said I should talk to the RE before I got too far with my plans, since "it's possible with people like you that he would recommend using donor eggs."

I'm not going to read too much into that, since she's the backup nurse and I have not found her to be super knowledgeable in the past, but it did prompt me to think about that that would mean, if the RE discourages my trying once more to collect my own eggs. While I am all in favor of people using donor eggs where it makes sense to do so, it makes no sense in my case. Being single, it is not like there is a motivation to carry on a partner's genetic line. And my post-surgical uterus makes any pregnancy high risk, with obligatory 35-week c-section. So if that's the direction he tries to steer me, at least i know my answer there.

mokay19 · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 I feel like that happens to me every month. I tell myself that "we'll see what happens!" But then I stress the whole time.

@optimistgardener so sorry to hear your news. Also, that nurse to say that over the phone without a real discussion is frustrating! Hugs to you and take care of yourself as you figure out the next step!

mokay19 · August 2021

Diagnosis (if you've been): PCOS

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Currently taking my second doses of Letrozole and Clomid, trigger, TI, progesterone

How are things going?: After being super bummed last week from nothing happening, I'm starting to get my normal bloat so I'm getting more hopeful that something happened this time! Also, am I crazy for just wanting 2 follicles to mature? haha
I just joined a fitness and health program! I started it this week since I have 2 weeks before I start my new job so I know I can get in some good workouts and get some good meals made. Hoping to make some freezer meals over the next week, too, for when I slack once going back to work. Time and life has caused me to be about 30lbs heavier than I want to be and I think it's causing my PCOS to worsen.

Any questions?: natm

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend? 22! Since 3rd grade

inthewoods23 · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 your feelings are so valid. It's a special mindf*ck dealing with both IF and TTCAL.

@optimistgardener do you know how soon you can speak with the RE?

@mokay19 happy to hear things seem to finally be progressing for you!

Diagnosis (if you've been): unexplained, low morph

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Just getting the covid vaccine and seeing what happens. Appt with an RI has been scheduled for 9/14!

How are things going?: I was really glad I got called back so quickly by the RI's office. I have something to look forward to now. But I also have to figure out how to get my medical records electronically forwarded. I'm used to that kind of thing being requested by fax. Shouldn't be too hard right?

Any questions?: NATM

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend? About 12 years for my closest (and biggest IF support) friend. I do still chat with some people from high school that was about 15+ years ago. I moved around a few times before social media was even a thing so obviously I never got to stay in touch with elementary school friends.

acleverusername · August 2021

Okay, like @optimistgardener... that nurse needs to learn to STAY IN HER LANE. FML... if I listened to what the nurses at my clinic said and didn't question that, I would be a very depressed individual. I'm glad you're feeling a bit better today and hopefully you can get your WTF appointment booked ASAP!

@mokay19 I meant to say this last week but one of the grads @runningoncookies had to do at least 1 cycle with repeat meds. I think this was solved by upping the dosages the following cycles. Hopefully the discomfort you are feeling is a sign of good follicles growing.

@inthewoods23 Woohoo about RI appointment! Is this one covered by your insurance? Good luck getting those records in order.

Also, the random question this morning... @bumblebee0210 I definitely went down the same rabbit hole about question of paternity.

zwink1 · August 2021

@bumblebee0210, aww man, I hear you on the anxiety. It's like, even though it's been forever and you know the odds you can't quite manage to get that part of your brain that says, "well maybe," to shut down. Hang in there.

@optimistgardener, oh no, I am so sorry to hear. I'm glad you're feeling a bit better today and hopefully you get to talk to your RE soon.

@inthewoods23, glad you could get in with the RI so (relatively) soon! And having just got done moving medical records around, I feel your pain.

Diagnosis (if you've been): primarily MFI

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): hopefully treatment!

How are things going?: good. After what feels like forever, we're finally down to less than a week before my appointment. Woo-hoo! Hopefully we can get things moving pretty smoothly after that (and my generally non cooperative cycles cooperate).

Any questions?: not yet, probably next week though!

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend? Oh geez. Somewhere around 22 yrs for one and 20ish for the other. Funny story though, despite all 3 of us living/growing up in the Midwest as kids, they're both now on basically opposite ends of the country (one in FL the other in AK - at one point, one of them literally lived in the furthest southern continental point in the US). It makes getting together pretty tough.

optimistgardener · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 i'm super sorry i feel like i flew right past your update earlier this week because i was so wrapped up in myself. i guess i just want to say i hear your anxiety and i hope things work out one way or the other. I don't know quite what this means, but I guess I just wanted to say after my crappy results this week, I've taken courage from your example and from @kiki047, who I know has confronted similarly dispiriting cycle outcomes and come out the other side still marching.

@mokay19 how are things going? I hope you're right that the feelings you're experiencing are a sign that those follicles are doing what they should.

@inthewoods23 I'm so jazzed for you that you've got another appointment set up! Good luck with the paperwork forwarding. As for your Q, I am hoping to hear back from the clinic early next week when i'll be able to make an appointment. This seems unnecessarily protracted, but apparently the entire clinic is basically on vacation right now. I'm also guessing the main nurse will also call me next week too, since she's usually good like that. I am trying not to feel sorry for myself that I'm dealing with all this while the clinic people whose answers I need are off drinking margaritas somewhere or whatever.

@zwink1 excited for you that your appointment is so soon! also i know how tough it can be having friends scattered in all directions. my best and longest friend lives in the midwest now, while i'm out here in the PNW. And grad school, where i met most of my other friends, has sent everyone else i know to live wherever they got jobs: NY, Maine, Georgia, Toronto, Brit. Columbia. Sigh.

@acleverusername i am really rooting for you and some good news from your PGT-A soon. Someone around here needs to roll the dice and land some winners, dang it.

AFM (putting this in spoiler because it's just pity party stuff)

i really feel in a weird place. i'm still feeling better than i felt the first day, because that was pretty gut-punchy, but also I am beginning to realize how much I have put emotionally into this process of IVF, how it has allowed me to narrow my focus and just put one foot in front of the other in the hope that the next stage will work out. it's been basically "my plan" since the spring, and I haven't given anything beyond it a lot of thought. and now that plan hasn't worked out, and so even though i think there's a good chance i'll try again (hopefully a November retrieval), I'm suddenly forced to take stock of the bigger picture again. I've been thinking in a more serious way about what it will mean if i can never have a biological child, and I've been noticing my singleness, my being alone in my house. I'm really glad that i have a teaching term coming right up because i think otherwise i'd be pretty tempted to spiral badly.

optimistgardener · August 2021

*commenting from hours later* sorry folks. i may well write (and sometimes edit) for a living, but i am really terrible at it sometimes. gawd.

bumblebee0210 · August 2021

@optimistgardener. I'm sorry you're feeling so down-- it's totally reasonable to be sad in this moment-- you have been through so much to try to get to this place, and it still feels like you have nothing, and you may never get the thing you want. I think it's good to feel your feelings (and talk about them! in therapy especially), but also to remember that, even if the Nov retrieval doesn't work, you will not always feel this way. I know you have a lot of grit (you have a PhD!), and so I have no doubt you will be able to pick it up again and march into the next steps. This next retrieval, and if that doesn't work, whatever the next steps toward parenthood look like for you. But for right now it's ok to be sad, and then just put your head down and put one foot in front of the other. You don't have to plan for every scenario right now. Just take care of yourself.

AFM: AF came, a day late just to mess with my head, and I just started BCP to time my next cycle (duostim, straight antagonist, no priming). Hoping the force is with me on this one.

optimistgardener · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 thanks. I really appreciate your words. I've got my fingers crossed for your duostim cycle! and hoping your straight shot, no fancy stuff regimen works well for you.

bumblebee0210 · August 2021

@optimistgardener. Thanks! This is the probably statistician in me, but I think people spend way too much energy trying to analyze way too little data with IVF cycles, and severely underestimate the noise and cycle-to-cycle variation. My "best" cycle (1 euploid, 1 mosaic blast) was my first: straight antagonist after BCP. I don't think it was *because* of that, but I think there is no reason not to use that, and it worked out best with the timing. I feel like people will get a good cycle or get pregnant naturally and be like "this worked!" and like, yeah, maybe but also maybe you just had a good egg (or crop of eggs) and everything happened to work this time. I just think this whole thing is a numbers game. More cycles, more blasts, more chances to have a kid.

optimistgardener · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 i agree.

kiki047 · August 2021

Lurking from the cottage to come give @optimistgardener the biggest of hugs. My goodness friend, what a kick in the gut. Like you said, that is a feeling I am all too familiar with, and is something that still haunts me and keeps me up at night wondering WTF happened. I agree with @acleverusername that the nurse needs to stay in her damn lane, and that you have every right to want to set plans in motion to try again. Perhaps you may want to try to have a consultation with a genetic counsellor as well, depending on what those PGT results were. The geneticist I met with was immensely helpful, as I also had one "complex abnormal" meaning it was more than just one missing piece of one chromosome and was actually several deletions, and some that were in the wrong order (there's a name for that, I forget what it was). So for example, one of the embryos had an extra chromosome 16, but the complex one was an extra chromosome 1, deletion of 2 portions of chromosome 13, and some other mosaic cells. So basically this was an embryo that was not compatible with life whatsoever. Take the time you need to feel all the feels, whatever that may be. I went through an entire grief cycle - maybe still am, because I know for sure I'm nowhere near 'acceptance' at this rate. IMO a loss is a loss is a loss... you had plans and hopes and dreams for what those embryos represented, and to have that taken from you this way is devastating. I'm so very sorry.

mokay19 · August 2021

Well, no good news for me today. My body again had zero response to the meds. I took their highest doses of Letrozole (7.5mg) and Clomid (150mg) together and still nothing. The nurse initially sounded very hesitant to even discuss the possibility of trying injectables since my AFC on each ovary is >30. But, since I didn’t show any movement on the recent doses, they're allowing me to try low dose Gonal-F. So I just got that ordered to arrive tomorrow! I’ll be doing 50 units per day and getting checked again on Monday to ensure I don’t excessively respond.

The nurse had brought up the possibility of IVF and I told her that it’s not financially an option for us immediately so I’d like to keep trying these lesser options for now. If these don’t work, I’m not sure if we’ll just have to take time off until we can get the financials in order or what. I was much more of a mess this morning before I got the call that they’re allowing me to try injectables.

optimistgardener · August 2021

@kiki047 thanks so much for your sweet message. it really means so much. it turns out that i am going to get a phone appointment with my RE on Tuesday to talk about what happened. I promise to pass along any information I get, especially with respect to how we should make sense of this category of "complex" aneuploidy.

zwink1 · August 2021

@optimistgardener, I'm so sorry that you're feeling down and alone. I think that's a completely normal response to such disappointing news. With this process it only seems natural to get so sucked into putting one foot in front of the other that you sort of lose the forest through the trees sometimes, so that reflection on the bigger picture is helpful, but man does it not feel like that in the moment. I hope that your phone appointment on Tues sheds some valuable light and you guys can come up with a plan for going forward that you feel good about.

@mokay19, I'm sorry to hear that you're not responding to the meds. I'm glad they're willing to try injectibles, and hopefully the Gonal-F will kick things into gear for you and you won't have to take a break. I'll be hoping for better news from Mon's appt!

acleverusername · August 2021

@zwink1 hooray for just a few more days before your appointment! Here's to your cycles being good to you. 🙏🏻

@mokay19 girl, I am so sorry all the drugs and your body aren't cooperating! That sucks so bad. What happened to that line of thinking that Clomid and Letrazole are working against each other? Would you be better off with just doing high does of one or the other? Also, have you discussed doing a hybrid cycle with your clinic? 3 days of Letrazole or Clomid, followed by a 2-day overlap with a low-dose injectable? That's what I did in my last IUI, and it yielded 4 mature follicles.

@bumblebee0210 it's so helpful to have you rational brain weigh in on our collective fertility journey. I, for one, am learning SO MUCH. This is so bang on: "I think people spend way too much energy trying to analyze way too little data with IVF cycles, and severely underestimate the noise and cycle-to-cycle variation." But really... what else am I going to do with my free time?!?! Bahahaha. Reading IVF research studies has become a meditative activity now. Also, I'm sorry your body effed with you and made AF come 1 day late. I'm really hoping for you and your duostim protocol.

@optimistgardener

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Your sorrows are our sorrows. I will just quote my hero (TEW) here: you're going to be a mother, one way or another. And I know that because you want it so much, and you will make it happen.

@kiki047 hi there! I hope you're enjoying the cottage. I'm looking forward to your RE appointment next week.

Diagnosis (if you've been): Officially it's "Unexplained"; unofficially, it's Hashimoto's, AMA, "wondering" sperm.

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): follow-up chat with our doc on 8/26 to figure out what's next. Also trying naturally this time while I figure out how to ship my 35.99yr old frozen eggs from Canada to California.

How are things going?: I wasn't going to do an update this week because I didn't think we'd have our genetic testing results back yet, but I got the call yesterday evening (EDT) just as I was having dinner with my husband's dad, step-mom and aunt/uncle (MH isn't traveling with me). TW really good news.

Well, @optimistgardener, I hope my luck sets a precedent for the rest of you. We got ourselves 3 genetically normal embryos. Holy hell I'm still in shock at these news. First of all, I almost missed the call from the clinic. The phone was sitting underneath my hat, and was on silent. I don't know what made me look under my hat, when I saw the call coming through while we were waiting for supper to get ready. I ran outside and the nurse is like "is this a good time to talk?" and I said to her "Melissa, ONLY if you have good news for me." And she did. I called MH right away. And then also got to share the happy news with his family. They're not very abreast with our fertility journey (MH doesn't really talk about it), so I filled in some of the details, and now they're all excited at the prospect of 3 babies. As always, I had to educate them about no triplets.

So, now I'm like... not sure what to do next. We were going to do 2 more egg retrievals, starting as soon as I'm back from my holidays, using a completely different protocol. And now, I'm gonna just hit pause on everything until we have a f/u with our doctor on Thu.

Also, I'll need a cycle to detox my body. I've been "unkind" to it at best. Lots of eating of foods I'm sensitive to, and lots of 🍷🍷🍷🍷

Any questions?: a rhetorical one only: how did we get so lucky? Was it the millions supplements I am taking? The elimination diet / eating carefully? The acupuncture?

GTKY: How many years have you known your oldest friend? I have 2 friends that I've known equally long and that's 18 years. We were next door neighbors in residence in university. My sis and I lived in the room next door. And we became and stayed fast friends. In fact, the wedding I came to Canada for was one of that friend's wedding. And although I'm older (almost 38), I didn't make friends until university because my parents moved us (my sis and I) from school to school growing up (partly because we also moved around), so as a result I was really shy. I really came out of my shell in university.

mokay19 · August 2021

@acleverusername we didn’t discuss a hybrid cycle this time, but I will be curious what happens with these first 3 low-dose days and then maybe discuss it from that! Good to know that you’ve done that and I screenshot it in case I need it during the next conversation with the clinic!

Also, CONGRATS on 3 genetically normal embryos! And good luck on detoxing 😄

optimistgardener · August 2021

@acleverusername huge hug and big congrats. thanks for balancing me out out this week on the board!

optimistgardener · August 2021

@acleverusername i've been thinking about your rhetorical Q on luck... I know it's not really looking for an answer, but speaking from the other side of 4 abnormals, I guess I am inclined to say that it feels to me like some combo of @bumblebee0210's vote for the randomness of the numbers game and a heavy admixture of fundamentals that none of us can do much about, no matter the supplements. I have suspicions that my lifetime of ovulating from only the one ovary without break has in some way not only worn down my overall reserve, but somehow chipped away at my ratio of normals in a fashion that maybe puts me at a disadvantage to others otherwise in the same bracket. But who knows. And there are of course whatever other genetic cards we were dealt before birth or through early environment.

Up until I got my bad PGT-A news, I had quietly told myself that my various preparations for retrieval (good diet, exercise, no alcohol, supplements, sleep) were the reason for my good blast results. but the final genetics judgement punched the air out of that line of thought.

Where does all this take me? I guess... I feel like all the stuff we do, the supps, the diets, the behavior adjustments, I think they are useful insofar as they help us to focus on things we can control and they may make some small but measurable difference at the margins... upping our AFC maybe, or improving implantation by a few percentage points. But i don't think they are what produces 3 normies vs 4 abnormals. I think those differences can only be accounted for through the dice-throwing nature of the game and our basic biological and genetic situations.

laura-kay · August 2021

@optimistgardener :hugs:

bumblebee0210 · August 2021

@acleverusername. Congrats! That is a huge win, and hopefully means you are close to the end of this long road. Take some time to breathe and celebrate.

@optimistgardener I agree-- and this was part of my negative reaction to the like "I did these 75 things and I got a million normal embryos when I was 40" post, because I don't think that most of this is within our control. And the potential harm is that when it doesn't go well even when you try your hardest, it can be so easy to blame yourself or to think there was one more thing you could have done. It also can make you crazy in the meantime, and ruin your focus on all the other parts of life that are not trying to procreate. I mean, look I take CoQ10 and DHEA, I eat a pretty good diet, etc., but I truly, truly think that a lot of this is just luck. I am fortunate enough to be able to just play the numbers game and try to slog my way through, and of course I keep hoping the luck will favor me one of these cycles! But I find it comforting, in its own way, that this is just not really within my control.

@mokay19. Sorry man-- I hope the injectables work for you.

kiki047 · August 2021

@bumblebee0210 hear hear, I wholeheartedly agree with you on all those points. We've talked about the "do all" attitude and you've added in the statistical insights, and in the end I'm feeling mostly the same way in that I will control the elements that I can by taking my supplements and avoiding the things I know to be harmful like excessive alcohol consumption, BPA and other endocrine disruptors, etc, but torturing myself doing something like keto is only going to counteract any good that might come from de-stressing activities like yoga. Because keto isn't going to cure my infertility. I could take all the supplements in the world and I still wouldn't reverse the effects of time and age. Biologically, we are who we are, and even though IVF takes some of the elements of bad luck out of the equation by manually introducing sperm to egg, I really think nature just takes its course after that.

optimistgardener · August 2021

Y'all are the best, by the way. This is aimed at everyone who posts regularly (or irregularly) here on the IF board.

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