My UO is that bikinis are ridiculous and unnecessary. Like, I don't want to see every single part of your body, including the length of your buttcrack which is swallowing your bottoms. I don't care what size you are, it just seems unnecessary to lose pretty much all clothing as soon as you hit the beach. Don't get me wrong, humans are beautiful, but I just don't like seeing all the stranger flesh.
I don't like when dog owners treat their dogs like a human family member. Dogs should be trained and are happier when they are. Some owners even complain about their dogs bad behavior, like jumping, barking, accidents, eating food off the table, etc....but then say they don't want to crate train, their dogs need to sleep with them at night (can lead to poor behaviors), and don't put in the energy to train because they want their dog to feel one with the family. What?? My dog is definitely one with the family...and he's very well trained. I love him a ton and I can hands down tell you our training time created a special bond between us. This is true of all the several dogs I've trained/helped train. Dogs are PACK ANIMALS and have different social standards than humans. If the alpha boundary lines are inconsistent, it can lead to stress.
I totally agree that dogs are dogs and should be treated as such. I guess my UO is that I believe the whole “alpha” and “pack” concept when it comes to dogs is total garbage. Dogs aren’t wolves. Dogs don’t think we are dogs. They don’t think we lead their “pack”. They just do what works for them. Either to avoid something they don’t like, or earn something they do.
I also think anyone who uses aversives to train dogs (e-collars, prongs, chokes) are just lazy. If you need to hurt or scare a dog to get it to do what you want, you’re lacking in skills. I’ve worked with hundreds of dogs and never had to hurt one to get them to do what I want. (I mean this as a general “you”, not directed at you sweetyjenj)
Yes!!!!! I totally agree about the pain and fear tactics! IMO dogs are better behaved when love, praise, and positive reinforcement is used.
I strongly disagree that collar training is about pain and fear tactics when done properly. I've had many dogs over the years that have been well trained without the need for a collar. However, our current dog is incredibly intelligent and independent, and just wasn't sufficiently driven by food or other positive reinforcement techniques. Collar training with a professional was like complete night and day. The collar doesn't hurt her at all - most of the time we use the vibrate setting, and only rarely have to go up one or two levels (which I can't even feel when I test the collar on myself).
I also disagree that there's any fear involved in the training. My dog comes running whenever she hears the beep of us turning the collar on, because she knows she's about to do something fun. She also gets to do things she loves (like off leash hikes in the woods) that we NEVER could have trusted her with before the collar training.
@jgil85 lol what ever happened to just being happy you have a healthy baby? Dang, I could care less the hair color n stuff as long as my baby comes out healthy n stuff
Or a baby. I can handle health issues. I can't handle not bringing this baby home. Again.
Wait until you are on bedrest or you were just released from bedrest but can't not go to the store sometimes. You'll want the expectant mom parking. Don't judge another expectant mother using it. You don't know their story. That said, don't use it JUST because you're knocked up. If you are having a great and easy pregnancy please don't use the space. Leave it for the moms that are not having an easy pregnancy.
While I've made the choice not to pierce my daughters ears until they are at least 12, I don't necessarily believe it to be wholly bad when a baby has pierced ears. The same argument can be said for circumcision so I try not to judge a parents choice regarding their childs body. A child can't make the decision to fix a cosmetic deformity but parent's make the decision all the time. They can't make the decision to do anything really. It's our job to decide what we feel is best for our kids. If the kids are happy, healthy, and not being caused long term damage then let a mom and dad be the mom and dad.
I have two children with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have brown hair and brown eyes. I would love to have a brown hair, brown eyed baby and I will probably be a little disappointed if I don't have that. There's nothing wrong with wanting your child to have certain traits. It doesn't mean you love them less. It doesn't mean you don't think they are beautiful the way they are.
@sparkymcgeee although I can see the correlation, I have to disagree with pierced ears and circumcision being the same. While there may be some couples who choose circumcision solely for cosmetic purposes, many choose to proceed for religious, medical, or hygienic reasons. I would also argue that getting circumcised later in life is not the same as taking your child into Clair’s to get her ears pierced. Not trying to start the ‘to circumcise or not’ debate here - I just don’t think they are the same thing in the least!
I get what your saying @olivemomma but it's still a decision that you are making for your child. A medical procedure regardless of why is still being made on behalf of someone else.
And ear piercing is also cultural, religious, and tradition in some parts of the world.
Like don't get me wrong, I circumcised my son. DH and I made the decision together. I'm just saying you shouldn't judge because you don't know why those baby ears are pierced.
@Potterphile oh indeed it is! Some have been saying they want some drama - maybe this is stirring some up... I guess I’m just saying I’ve never heard one argument for piercing a babies ears that has ever made sense to me. Not one. It’s not religious, societal, cultural, or serving any kind of hygienic purpose, and can so easily be done at any mall in America down the road when the child is actually ready. I just don’t get it. Plus I think it looks ridiculous. I can honestly get behind both sides of the circumcision debate - it’s personal and most people aren’t going around showing off their sons penises. I think and hope it’s a more thought out choice for most couples and I don’t judge one way or the other. But the ear piercing - I just can’t. If someone can give me a valid argument that ultimately doesn’t come back to ‘I just wanted to do it for the sake of doing it’ or one that provides any benefit to a small child I would love to hear it.
I have red hair, as do both my brothers. My dad had red hair and so did one of his sisters. My mom had two siblings with red hair. DH has brown hair but red in his beard and his Dad's sister's all had red hair. I have green eye, DH has hazel/golden eyes.
DD has brown hair and blue eyes. I'm not going to lie when I say I was shocked at first (so was everyone else) that she didn't have red hair. I'm not surprised at the blue eyes though, my dad and both his sister, plus one of my brother's, have ice blue eyes.
@sparkymcgeee okay I’ll bite that there may be religious or cultural reasons elsewhere in the world for piercing a babies ears. But realistically in the US I just don’t buy that as the reason (99%) of moms choose to do it. I really try not to be judgy, I do. But this is the one thing I can’t wrap my mind around. and yes, circumcision is a medical procedure. Parents get it performed in a hospital under a very experienced and educated staff of doctors and nurses. Ear piercing is not medical. It’s strictly a cosmetic choice parents make that’s done in a mall or tatoo shop. I don’t know - don’t want to beat a dead horse here. You know obviously know my thoughts!!
@galactickates Putting aside religious reasons like the Hindu situation mentioned in the article you linked, as far as I could tell from my admittedly minimal research it seems like even the cultural reasons for it all stem back to wanting girls to look pretty or wanting girls to look like girls and that just hasn’t ever been enough reason for me to think a low level body modification on my infant is worthwhile. However, I would also challenge almost anything where the primary reason for doing it is because it has always been done whether by people of your culture or not. (For the record my “culture” does think ears should be pierced as a baby but WHY?) being part of the culture isn’t enough for me.... I need to know why it’s part of the culture and weigh the factors that actually apply to my baby’s situation.
... from a mom whose girl gets called a boy 3x more than she’s recognized as a girl
I think it's a lot safer and more sanitary to have a newborn's ears pierced by a doctor and kept clean by parents than to take a 12-13 year old to some questionably hygienic mall shop, then hope a young teen is responsible enough to prevent infection. My mom got my ears pierced as a baby and I'm glad she did. And even if I'd hated them, so what? I could just not wear earrings and let the holes close.
Maybe my UO: the whole ear piercing debate seems like much ado about nothing to me. I don't get why people who aren't involved in the decision care.
I’d rather see spots up close for wounded vets and those with disabilities.. a healthcare provider can assign you a temporary one if he/she deems necessary. Plus there’s always two minute pregnant woman using them anyway. Obviously I don’t say this and then use them anyway, I just don’t think they’re needed all around due to the healthcare provider reason I stated above. It’s an UO for sure lol
I think the expectant/parents of young children (That’s how they’re labeled here) spy are great. Usually here there’s also a wider sidewalk between the rows that leads straight the the crosswalk to the entrance. We use it with our son everytime. It’s brilliant because it’s a much safer way to take kids (or your pregnant/not as stable walking and slowe moving self) through the parking lot. Especially in winter when it’s always slippery (so like October through part of April). And yes I understand he importance of teaching kids how to be safe in a parking lot. That doesn’t negate the extra safety of that parking though, or have any bearing on other drivers.
Re: UO 5/17
I also disagree that there's any fear involved in the training. My dog comes running whenever she hears the beep of us turning the collar on, because she knows she's about to do something fun. She also gets to do things she loves (like off leash hikes in the woods) that we NEVER could have trusted her with before the collar training.
Edit - fixed a typo
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
Wait until you are on bedrest or you were just released from bedrest but can't not go to the store sometimes. You'll want the expectant mom parking. Don't judge another expectant mother using it. You don't know their story. That said, don't use it JUST because you're knocked up. If you are having a great and easy pregnancy please don't use the space. Leave it for the moms that are not having an easy pregnancy.
While I've made the choice not to pierce my daughters ears until they are at least 12, I don't necessarily believe it to be wholly bad when a baby has pierced ears. The same argument can be said for circumcision so I try not to judge a parents choice regarding their childs body. A child can't make the decision to fix a cosmetic deformity but parent's make the decision all the time. They can't make the decision to do anything really. It's our job to decide what we feel is best for our kids. If the kids are happy, healthy, and not being caused long term damage then let a mom and dad be the mom and dad.
I have two children with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have brown hair and brown eyes. I would love to have a brown hair, brown eyed baby and I will probably be a little disappointed if I don't have that. There's nothing wrong with wanting your child to have certain traits. It doesn't mean you love them less. It doesn't mean you don't think they are beautiful the way they are.
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
(fffc I cant wait til the UO gets truly contentious)
And ear piercing is also cultural, religious, and tradition in some parts of the world.
https://www.romper.com/p/9-things-white-families-dont-understand-about-piercing-a-babys-ears-64446
Like don't get me wrong, I circumcised my son. DH and I made the decision together. I'm just saying you shouldn't judge because you don't know why those baby ears are pierced.
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
I guess I’m just saying I’ve never heard one argument for piercing a babies ears that has ever made sense to me. Not one. It’s not religious, societal, cultural, or serving any kind of hygienic purpose, and can so easily be done at any mall in America down the road when the child is actually ready. I just don’t get it. Plus I think it looks ridiculous.
I can honestly get behind both sides of the circumcision debate - it’s personal and most people aren’t going around showing off their sons penises. I think and hope it’s a more thought out choice for most couples and I don’t judge one way or the other.
But the ear piercing - I just can’t. If someone can give me a valid argument that ultimately doesn’t come back to ‘I just wanted to do it for the sake of doing it’ or one that provides any benefit to a small child I would love to hear it.
I have red hair, as do both my brothers. My dad had red hair and so did one of his sisters. My mom had two siblings with red hair. DH has brown hair but red in his beard and his Dad's sister's all had red hair. I have green eye, DH has hazel/golden eyes.
DD has brown hair and blue eyes. I'm not going to lie when I say I was shocked at first (so was everyone else) that she didn't have red hair. I'm not surprised at the blue eyes though, my dad and both his sister, plus one of my brother's, have ice blue eyes.
Dating: 10/3/08 | Married: 12/27/14
TTC #1: August 2015 | BFP: 2/3/16 | EDD: 10/7/16
DD: 10/5/16
TTC #2: September 2017 | BFP: 4/28/18 | EDD: 1/7/19
DS: 1/9/19
and yes, circumcision is a medical procedure. Parents get it performed in a hospital under a very experienced and educated staff of doctors and nurses.
Ear piercing is not medical. It’s strictly a cosmetic choice parents make that’s done in a mall or tatoo shop.
I don’t know - don’t want to beat a dead horse here. You know obviously know my thoughts!!
... from a mom whose girl gets called a boy 3x more than she’s recognized as a girl
ETA- @sparkymcgeee looks like I’m calling YOU out
Maybe my UO: the whole ear piercing debate seems like much ado about nothing to me. I don't get why people who aren't involved in the decision care.