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I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested and I don't understand the resistance against needing an ID to vote. 
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    ladylolly89 said:
    I only opened this thread because I recognized the OP.
    ETA that's my FFFC.
    Aw thanks! I am trying to get the life back into this group! I was also trying to bait people in to some drama or lively debate. 
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  • wife-and-mommywife-and-mommy member
    I think marijuana should be legalized and regulated like alcohol.
    I also think it should not be frowned upon to have a drink (or two) at work. Sometimes if I had a glass of wine with lunch I'd be more productive, more happy, and better to be around. Responsible drinking without your judgement being affected should be allowed. I am more mentally affected by a can of mountain dew than a glass of wine. 
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  • njeeoannnjeeoann member
    neludelu said:
    letttsss get ready to rumble! 

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested and I don't understand the resistance against needing an ID to vote. 
    Devil's advocate:  Who is going to pay for the drug testing?  I doubt any medical provider will do it for free and I highly doubt you'll get any money from someone who is in need for government assistance in the first place.  So that leaves taxpayers?  Either way, your money is headed in that direction and somehow I think the cost of paying for drug testing will outweigh the cost of abusers.  

    And hi from a former lurker that thought should be more involved ;)
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  • njeeoannnjeeoann member
    Even if your taxes go up because of it?  Wouldn't you rather that money go somewhere else?  Granted I don't know if that is the case, but I'd rather see my money go to education than to drug test an entire segment of the population.
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  • LMMamaLMMama member
    kyreno11 said:
    I think marijuana should be legalized and regulated like alcohol.
    I also think it should not be frowned upon to have a drink (or two) at work. Sometimes if I had a glass of wine with lunch I'd be more productive, more happy, and better to be around. Responsible drinking without your judgement being affected should be allowed. I am more mentally affected by a can of mountain dew than a glass of wine. 

    +1 on the marijuana.

    I think the alcohol depends on your profession/situation. When I was younger and working in an office we had an hour lunch. I worked in the city, walked everywhere and would often go out with my coworker friends and have a drink or two at lunch and function perfectly fine all afternoon. Now as a school counselor I would have to drive to a restaurant and back and work with kids all afternoon and it just doesn't sound as appealing. But totally for those who want to do it being able to. 
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    njeeoann said:
    Even if your taxes go up because of it?  Wouldn't you rather that money go somewhere else?  Granted I don't know if that is the case, but I'd rather see my money go to education than to drug test an entire segment of the population.
    I'm not very educated on this topic but I'm sure that the people the tests weed out would end up reducing the costs of the benefits. We might be able to increase the benefits to really help those in need.

    also we pump so much money into the education system. I've read that the US spends more pER child than any other nation. I don't think our education system stinks bc of funding. 
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  • neludeluneludelu member
    That's interesting. I should do more research on the issue, my opinion as of now does not change though. 

    I think it would be a good idea to help get people on assistance into trade schools.
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  • neludeluneludelu member
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
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  • njeeoannnjeeoann member
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
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  • Wino0920Wino0920 member
    njeeoann said:
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
    You have to take drug tests to get a job. I don't hear people crying that's in violation of rights.

    and if I do fall on hard times, I will gladly pee in a cup for assistance. 
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  • njeeoannnjeeoann member
    Wino0920 said:
    njeeoann said:
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
    You have to take drug tests to get a job. I don't hear people crying that's in violation of rights.

    and if I do fall on hard times, I will gladly pee in a cup for assistance. 

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    oops on the blank response... 

    But there is a difference between a private company requiring drug testing for their employees.  Their money, their prerogative.
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  • Wino0920Wino0920 member
    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
    Well that last statement really says it all. People who need financial help should be demonized. I just spent the last year utilizing Obamacare and NJ public assistance while I interned for free full time in order to finish my graduate degree. Now hopefully I can get a job in the field of school counseling and contribute back to my community :)

     I'm lucky and have a stable support system, many out there aren't as fortunate and will have to use public benefits longer. Sure there are certain people who abuse the system (wealthy people do this too!)  but qualifying everyone who uses public assistance as less than and assuming they are people who won't contribute to a community/humanity in some way is the mindset that is wrong with this country. 


    I don't believe all abuse it, but I don't see why people are opposed to making the system tighter so those who do, can't? It makes no sense to me. 

    We jump through hoops to get jobs, so just a simple test to get assistance makes people go crazy??

    The "tests" they tried only tested certain areas where drug use is low and incomes are high. There are so many more factors that need to be implemented before we can actually see if it works or not. 
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  • Wino0920Wino0920 member
    edited May 2017
    njeeoann said:
    oops on the blank response... 

    But there is a difference between a private company requiring drug testing for their employees.  Their money, their prerogative.
    But if the tax payers vote for it, it's their money! And you have to take them for government jobs as well. 
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  • LMMamaLMMama member
    edited May 2017
    Wino0920 said:
    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
    Well that last statement really says it all. People who need financial help should be demonized. I just spent the last year utilizing Obamacare and NJ public assistance while I interned for free full time in order to finish my graduate degree. Now hopefully I can get a job in the field of school counseling and contribute back to my community :)

     I'm lucky and have a stable support system, many out there aren't as fortunate and will have to use public benefits longer. Sure there are certain people who abuse the system (wealthy people do this too!)  but qualifying everyone who uses public assistance as less than and assuming they are people who won't contribute to a community/humanity in some way is the mindset that is wrong with this country. 


    I don't believe all abuse it, but I don't see why people are opposed to making the system tighter so those who do, can't? It makes no sense to me. 

    We jump through hoops to get jobs, so just a simple test to get assistance makes people go crazy??

    The "tests" they tried only tested certain areas where drug use is low and incomes are high. There are so many more factors that need to be implemented before we can actually see if it works or not. 

    I'm not ruling out a tighter system. I'm not sure that drug testing is the way to achieve this? But I assure you there are plenty of hoops to jump through to get public assistance. I spent months collecting and submitting paperwork/going to in person evaluations to determine my eligibility. So these programs aren't just handouts for anyone that doesn't feel like working. 
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    njeeoann said:
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
    That escalated quickly. All I'm saying is that you should be drug tested. 
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    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
    Well that last statement really says it all. People who need financial help should be demonized. I just spent the last year utilizing Obamacare and NJ public assistance while I interned for free full time in order to finish my graduate degree. Now hopefully I can get a job in the field of school counseling and contribute back to my community :)

     I'm lucky and have a stable support system, many out there aren't as fortunate and will have to use public benefits longer. Sure there are certain people who abuse the system (wealthy people do this too!)  but qualifying everyone who uses public assistance as less than and assuming they are people who won't contribute to a community/humanity in some way is the mindset that is wrong with this country. 


    Your response/ interpretation of what I said speaks volumes. I said the assistance- I didn't say the people. Yes, living off of public assistance shouldn't be something people want to do. It should be difficult, it should require hoops. Why do I have to take drug tests and jump through hoops at my job so that others can qualify for "free money". I'm not saying we shouldn't have or offer assistance to those in need, we absolutely should.
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  • njeeoannnjeeoann member
    neludelu said:
    njeeoann said:
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
    That escalated quickly. All I'm saying is that you should be drug tested. 
    But drug testing doesn't work and it costs you/us/taxpayers more money...  I agree with rooting out abusers, but this isn't the way.  

    I was trying to articulate that just because some people need help doesn't warrant the word "demonized".  I apologize if it came off differently!
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  • LMMamaLMMama member
    edited May 2017
    neludelu said:

    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
    Well that last statement really says it all. People who need financial help should be demonized. I just spent the last year utilizing Obamacare and NJ public assistance while I interned for free full time in order to finish my graduate degree. Now hopefully I can get a job in the field of school counseling and contribute back to my community :)

     I'm lucky and have a stable support system, many out there aren't as fortunate and will have to use public benefits longer. Sure there are certain people who abuse the system (wealthy people do this too!)  but qualifying everyone who uses public assistance as less than and assuming they are people who won't contribute to a community/humanity in some way is the mindset that is wrong with this country. 


    Your response/ interpretation of what I said speaks volumes. I said the assistance- I didn't say the people. Yes, living off of public assistance shouldn't be something people want to do. It should be difficult, it should require hoops. Why do I have to take drug tests and jump through hoops at my job so that others can qualify for "free money". I'm not saying we shouldn't have or offer assistance to those in need, we absolutely should.
    Yes, people shouldn't want to be on public assistance. But they shouldn't be shamed for it, which is what demonzing it does.

    I agree there should be hoops to jump through, but don't believe drug testing is warranted. Not every job requires you to take a drug test. I've taken one in my life (to work at target as a teenager) and while in the corporate world wasn't asked to do anything like that. My fiancé is a teacher and has never been asked for a drug test either. So, it's certainly not a requirement to be able to work. There is so much more to public assistance than "free money" and as a former and soon to be again full time working tax payer, I don't see contributing to those programs, regardless of who is using them, as something I shouldn't have to do. 
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    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:

    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
    Well that last statement really says it all. People who need financial help should be demonized. I just spent the last year utilizing Obamacare and NJ public assistance while I interned for free full time in order to finish my graduate degree. Now hopefully I can get a job in the field of school counseling and contribute back to my community :)

     I'm lucky and have a stable support system, many out there aren't as fortunate and will have to use public benefits longer. Sure there are certain people who abuse the system (wealthy people do this too!)  but qualifying everyone who uses public assistance as less than and assuming they are people who won't contribute to a community/humanity in some way is the mindset that is wrong with this country. 


    Your response/ interpretation of what I said speaks volumes. I said the assistance- I didn't say the people. Yes, living off of public assistance shouldn't be something people want to do. It should be difficult, it should require hoops. Why do I have to take drug tests and jump through hoops at my job so that others can qualify for "free money". I'm not saying we shouldn't have or offer assistance to those in need, we absolutely should.
    Yes, people shouldn't want to be on public assistance. But they shouldn't be shamed for it, which is what demonzing it does.

    I agree there should be hoops to jump through, but don't believe drug testing is warranted. Not every job requires you to take a drug test. I've taken one in my life (to work at target as a teenager) and while in the corporate world wasn't asked to do anything like that. My fiancé is a teacher and has never been asked for a drug test either. So, it's certainly not a requirement to be able to work. 
    It's a requirement for a lot of jobs. If it wasn't places like Concentra would be non existent also- if you get hurt at work and need to file workers comp you better believe you're gonna take a drug test.
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    neludelu said:
    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:

    LMMama said:
    neludelu said:
    merrylea said:
    neludelu said:

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested.
    Here is my deal with this. Why does one type of govt assistance need drug testing and not the others?  I mean, granny gets free health care (Medicare) AND income (Social Security) which is way more than any SNAP program. Shouldn't the elderly have to be tested? Or little Timmy gets free grade school education, should he be tested for drugs? What about Mr. Small Business who gets a govt backed loan, and reduced property taxes for development, shouldn't he be drug tested? There is almost a demonization of the people that are on public assistance programs.  I agree there is fraud that should be rooted out, but why are these people held to a different standard? 
    Granny and the elderly more worked hard her entire life to get those benefits. They paid into the system. Investing in little timmy's education helps him stay off the public tab. Mr small business is borrowing money but investing his time and efforts into the American economy and will be required to take care of his obligations.

    people in public assistance aren't going to
    pay it back they aren't investing in their communities or anything like it. So that assistance should be demonized. 
    Well that last statement really says it all. People who need financial help should be demonized. I just spent the last year utilizing Obamacare and NJ public assistance while I interned for free full time in order to finish my graduate degree. Now hopefully I can get a job in the field of school counseling and contribute back to my community :)

     I'm lucky and have a stable support system, many out there aren't as fortunate and will have to use public benefits longer. Sure there are certain people who abuse the system (wealthy people do this too!)  but qualifying everyone who uses public assistance as less than and assuming they are people who won't contribute to a community/humanity in some way is the mindset that is wrong with this country. 


    Your response/ interpretation of what I said speaks volumes. I said the assistance- I didn't say the people. Yes, living off of public assistance shouldn't be something people want to do. It should be difficult, it should require hoops. Why do I have to take drug tests and jump through hoops at my job so that others can qualify for "free money". I'm not saying we shouldn't have or offer assistance to those in need, we absolutely should.
    Yes, people shouldn't want to be on public assistance. But they shouldn't be shamed for it, which is what demonzing it does.

    I agree there should be hoops to jump through, but don't believe drug testing is warranted. Not every job requires you to take a drug test. I've taken one in my life (to work at target as a teenager) and while in the corporate world wasn't asked to do anything like that. My fiancé is a teacher and has never been asked for a drug test either. So, it's certainly not a requirement to be able to work. 
    It's a requirement for a lot of jobs. If it wasn't places like Concentra would be non existent also- if you get hurt at work and need to file workers comp you better believe you're gonna take a drug test.
    Just saying- a lot doesn't mean all. I'm sorry that some people find that to be something they need to do to work for some companies, but it doesn't work as an argument for why people needing public assistance should have to. Regardless, I would absolutely submit to one in either situation :)
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    I work hard for my money and the government takes it from me at an absurd rate.  I don't want any % of it (even if a small %) going to drug users or other forms of system abuse.  That said, I'm always happy to help a person/family in need of aid to get back on their feet.  Just pee in the cup and put your ego aside. I would do it!  No shame there.  Ever seen the movie Cinderella Man?  Generations before us would have done anything just to keep the lights on during the Great Depression.  My DH has been on unemployment a couple of times after layoffs!  There is no shame in seeking assistance nor is there shame in taking a drug test as a qualification.  I had to pee in a cup for previous employers before I received their money.  I didn't feel demonized.  
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    njeeoann said
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
    I can be randomly asked to take a drug test by my employer as well, so I don't get that argument. 

    I have no problem going through any processes put in place if I am recieving assistance from other tax payers/the government. Just my two cents. 

    If someone already said this, sorry to repeat. I just had to skip down to reply when I read the comment. 
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  • meg2704meg2704 member
    I don't think drug testing should be required. If someone needs help for any reason they should have access to it (in a perfect utopian society of course). I would rather offer assistance and have it go to a drug user than be the cause of anyone suffering from hunger or illness. 
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  • Wino0920Wino0920 member
    meg2704 said:
    I don't think drug testing should be required. If someone needs help for any reason they should have access to it (in a perfect utopian society of course). I would rather offer assistance and have it go to a drug user than be the cause of anyone suffering from hunger or illness. 
    This makes absolutely no sense. The cause of hunger would be on them, not the tax payers requiring a drug test. If you have money for drugs, you have money for food. If you ask for assistance you have to stop PAYING for drugs to get it. 

    How would it ever be everyone else's fault??? 


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  • neludeluneludelu member
    MKRLTX said:
    njeeoann said
    So because I was laid off in 2008 and went on unemployment for 3 months until I found another job, I should be treated as if my rights don't matter?  That I was a strain on a system?  There are good people that need help, I hope that one day you don't fall on hard times and find yourself in need...
    I can be randomly asked to take a drug test by my employer as well, so I don't get that argument. 

    I have no problem going through any processes put in place if I am recieving assistance from other tax payers/the government. Just my two cents. 

    If someone already said this, sorry to repeat. I just had to skip down to reply when I read the comment. 
    This!
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    I'm not against the idea of drug testing to receive benefits, except that the data seems to show that it isn't actually a real problem that costs taxpayers tons of money. It would probably cost more to implement than it saves. Also, these people still need our help. So we should maybe offer rehab instead of no help.

    Re: voter ID laws: they also "solve" a problem that doesn't exist, and most are designed to be racist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html
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    mrt said:
    I'm not against the idea of drug testing to receive benefits, except that the data seems to show that it isn't actually a real problem that costs taxpayers tons of money. It would probably cost more to implement than it saves. Also, these people still need our help. So we should maybe offer rehab instead of no help.

    Re: voter ID laws: they also "solve" a problem that doesn't exist, and most are designed to be racist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html
    You're quoting a post from a news paper known for being far left. And I fail to see how requiring an ID is a racist request. 
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  • mkrelmkrel member
    edited May 2017
    My issue with voter ID being "racist" is that you need an ID for everything. A job, to cash a check, they even ask for your ID to go on a tour of an apartment complex... you need it for everything. So I just don't get it. Everyone needs an ID... 
    Btw I didn't read the article right now because I'm supposed to be working and it looked long, but I still don't think it would convince me that it's racist. I will later.  I am not for or against voter ID, I just don't understand how so many people 18+ could do much of anything without an ID. 

    Eta: I completely forgot half of my point. If anything, I feel like it would be prejudiced towards anyone with a low income who does not have easy access to a DMV, which could be people from any backround. 
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  • Stankonia2014Stankonia2014 member
    neludelu said:
    letttsss get ready to rumble! 

    I'll start it off. I believe that anyone on govt assistance should be drug tested and I don't understand the resistance against needing an ID to vote. 
    Several states already did this, it didn't prove fruitful as far as 'catching' people abusing drugs and the system. It was a complete waste of money. 
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