@aehogan90 I totally hear you. The guys just rubs me the wrong way...maybe jerk was strong but the entire thing irritated me. Everyone feels bad for him...I'm irrationally irritated with him but I'm having a bad week. haha
It is crazy they went on the plane to take people off. I've given up my seat before boarding before but I've NEVER heard of them doing this after people board. That said no one I know would make a scene like that. I'd huff and puff but not physically resist.
Agree mainly with @aehogan90. I don't care what your past is, homeboy got a concussion, broken nose and two missing teeth. There's just no excuse for that. (Also read today that the flight wasn't actually overbooked, it was just the four United employees who were *needing* to take seats of paying customers. Um, no. You fly them on another airline or figure out another solution.)
I also read that they needed seats for employees to staff another flight. It would have been something like a 5/6 hour drive? I bet they are regretting not getting them another flight or getting them a rental car now.. I hope he makes his millions. Despite his past he didn't deserve to beaten for not wanting to get off the flight he paid for. I've also been secretly hoping this would drive down their flight costs so I can fly my mom here for less.
It was 4 employees and there were other flights they could have gotten their employees on for their duties the following day. @pinkyswife who knows, guy may be a jerk, but personally I think he acted appropriately given the horrible circumstance he was put it. United is in the public eye but that poor guy is humiliated.
I know it's a UO. For the record I don't agree with them smashing his face in (I'm not a total a-hole) I think United, the police, and the guy didn't act appropriately. I'm all for standing up for stuff...but this wasn't like he was Rosa Parks. He was randomly selected by the computer and at some point I think people should show respect for authority.
I also admit it just rubbed me the wrong way this week...don't want to offend anyone... just how I felt about it.
I don't hate MLM's, as I'm obviously involved in one. I hated them before I was involved in this one, and actually swore them off until I met the couple who mentors me now. They ligitimately average around $15,000-$20,000 a month, and they are the most genuine, REAL, and ethical people I've ever met.
My decision to work with them was solely based on a few things they said that I knew were factual and not just the things that would cause me to join.
1. This is a work program, not a get rich quick thing. You have to put in some work.
2. Social media, while great, can't build your business. You have to get face to face with people.
3. Give yourself 2 years to learn what you're doing, then allow another 3 year before you can expect to replace your current income. Happens faster for some, but that's the average.
4. Dear God, please...PLEASE...don't quit your job at the first sign of your business growing. It will fluctuate, and you have to allow that.
I'm 3 years in. I would say I'm about 1 year into actually "working" it as a business. I love the products and use them daily, I give samples to friends and strangers if it comes up in conversation. I don't look to start conversations about it...that's awkward and not "real".
I'm seeing slow and steady growth. I have a team of 30. Of that 30, I have 1 serious business builder, 3-5 who sell casually, and the rest are discount product users. That's average.
During my best months so far, I've seen $1,500-$2,000 in profit. I've had months where I make $100. Definitely depends on what I'm actively doing.
What I hate are the people who are dishonest about what they're actually making. The reality is that it takes time and effort, but I fully believe that time and effort will pay you more than another job in the long run if you're consistent.
I've made MUCH more than I've spent with this company, which is something I couldn't say for past experiences. I've also met some of the most amazing people and built friendships that I wouldn't have if not for this, simply from conversations that naturally came up. Sometimes it leads to a business partner, sometimes it doesn't...and it truly doesn't matter to me one way or another.
I would hate to be immediately defriended just by someone knowing I sell something. I read people well, and most of the time now, people who know me, know that I sell it and will ask me about it if they are interested. I feel no need to "push" it on them.
One thing i cant stand is watching someone on social media jump around from company to company, and then act as if the current product they're selling is LIFE CHANGING! Girl, you said that about the last 5 things you tried to push on me! Also, I do NOT like being added to groups. I looked the other day and I'm in 16 different "LipSense" groups. I didn't personally accept or add myself to any of them. Ridiculous. I feel like a hostage!
Also, United was wrong wrong wrong in how they handled the situation to begin with...horrendous customer service. I'm appalled they would board passengers and THEN decide to remove them for any reason. The comes across as greedy and money-hungry.
However...
The resistance to authority once law enforcement was involved was ridiculous. Get off the plane, have an adult conversation, ask questions, get information, sue the airlines if you feel they weren't fair (they weren't, he had a case before he refused to move), but my gosh...do what the officer tells you.
This whole situation was avoidable on SO many levels.
Why should he show respect for authority? Is United an authority in this position? Or airport security? If that's how authority treats people then they don't deserve any respect.
This guy's past and record matter not a single bit. THAT DAY he didn't do anything illegal. He didn't do anything jerky. He didn't want to get out of the seat that he had paid for and already been seated in.
And the news organizations reporting his criminal history, like it has ANYTHING to do with what happened to him, can go fuck themselves. I enjoyed this piece from WaPo.
I also keep thinking about this one time I had DD (in her infant seat) and I already seated and settled in our assigned seats and they decided to move us for whatever reason. I was pissy about that and I didn't even get asked to leave the aircraft.
Along the lines of the MLM FB rants, I hate it when friends start up a blog and then their FB and IG pages become all about promoting said blog. I've seen it happen with two of my friends in the past year. Same type of thing, using social media as their only business advertising.
Same goes for everyone who was quiet on FB and Twitter until all their political rants started.
***TW in Siggy*** Me: 34 / DH: 33 Married: Nov 2011 TTC #1: Jan 2013, BFP Sept 2013, DD: June 2014 TTC #2: Aug 2016, BFP Nov 2016, DS: August 2017
I think respecting authority is important. This, to me, is different. I've been thinking about this a lot...can you imagine the reaction had it been a woman dragged off? Everyone would be even more up in arms. I don't think anyone would be saying she needed to respect their authority. So why is it different for him?
About the United thing, at least one of those aviation officers is on Leave for not following protocol. Also, the flight was operated by a 'subsidiary' (?) of United. Apparently the subsidiary, which also serves other major airlines (I don't understand the contractual relationships among the businesses, only that this other company flies for many airlines), is notorious for the last-minute "crew needs to get on THAT plane NOW" behavior. If it was United proper, or Delta proper, or AA proper, there would have been better plans for the crew preventing this particular situation. All airlines are also under enormous pressure to depart on time- I've never seen paying passengers be removed from a plane; the gate agents should have denied actual boarding. But they didn't, surely figuring they'd get out on time and no one would resist (3 of 4 didn't), and this guy decided to resist being bumped (out of something like 40,000 bumps last year, of which Delta is actually the leading bumper), and all hell has broken loose. This was a perfect storm. I bet all airlines are going to lay low on the overbooking practices for awhile to mitigate more risk. (And this wasn't even an overbook, it was a last minute crew thing.) Chicago's three airports (if you count Rockford) serve pretty much every airline in existence; lots of airline employees around here. I know employees of Delta, AA, UA, and SW. A UA employee wearing branded gear the other day got verbally harassed by some woman on the CTA- that's completely unacceptable. It disgusts me that there's so much hatred in the world to people who do nothing wrong. We decry racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc., but it's perfectly "accepted" to show hatred towards members of political parties and employees of corporations someone doesn't like. My UO, apparently, is that that's despicable- do under others, folks. Regardless of how one feels of the latest corporate scandal, lashing out towards employees who have nothing to do with that crap and just need a job to feed family and keep a roof over their heads- that's bullshit.
@DeansGirl14 *slow clap* I listened to a good review of the situation from the pilot's wife, who was just explaining the ins and outs of airline snafus, and how the employees who desperately needed to get to the next destination were going to man another flight, which if it was delayed/cancelled would displace 100s of people, which would overload the other flights leaving that airport, domino effect of awfulness for possibly 1000s over the next few days. It wasn't poor planning, there are many factors that mess with airline travel flowing smoothly, namely weather, which no one can control. It wasn't United Airlines that used excessive force on the passenger, it was airport police. So really, shouldn't we be getting up in arms about police anew? United handed the situation off to the cops when the passenger became irate. I'm not in support of the situation, it's all sorts of shitty.
We absolutely should be getting up in arms about security and policing. That's the main problem here.
United's corporate response was terrible, though. There was also plenty they could have done before calling security to not escalate the situation. I work for a large corporation, and I get that it sucks for the employees. They should not be getting harassed.
I do think respecting authority is important, in certain situations. But it also reeks of white privilege to be able to say you should respect authority. For POC, respecting authority is certainly no guarantee of safety.
I'll teach my kids to respect their teacher and do as they say. But if a kid disobeys and the reaction by the teacher was to forcibly drag and injure the kid to force them to comply, well, there will be no respect for that teacher anymore.
I'll teach my kids to respect their teacher and do as they say. But if a kid disobeys and the reaction by the teacher was to forcibly drag and injure the kid to force them to comply, well, there will be no respect for that teacher anymore.
The uber scary thing is, what you describe here also happens, particularly in schools in rough neighborhoods. Quite a few videos over the years. Uggggh.
Re: UO 4/13
It is crazy they went on the plane to take people off. I've given up my seat before boarding before but I've NEVER heard of them doing this after people board. That said no one I know would make a scene like that. I'd huff and puff but not physically resist.
I've also been secretly hoping this would drive down their flight costs so I can fly my mom here for less.
5.5.16 | 8.14.17 | 1.30.19
I'm all for standing up for stuff...but this wasn't like he was Rosa Parks. He was randomly selected by the computer and at some point I think people should show respect for authority.
I also admit it just rubbed me the wrong way this week...don't want to offend anyone... just how I felt about it.
***TW in Siggy***
Me: 34 / DH: 33
Married: Nov 2011
TTC #1: Jan 2013, BFP Sept 2013, DD: June 2014
TTC #2: Aug 2016, BFP Nov 2016, DS: August 2017
I don't hate MLM's, as I'm obviously involved in one. I hated them before I was involved in this one, and actually swore them off until I met the couple who mentors me now. They ligitimately average around $15,000-$20,000 a month, and they are the most genuine, REAL, and ethical people I've ever met.
My decision to work with them was solely based on a few things they said that I knew were factual and not just the things that would cause me to join.
1. This is a work program, not a get rich quick thing. You have to put in some work.
2. Social media, while great, can't build your business. You have to get face to face with people.
3. Give yourself 2 years to learn what you're doing, then allow another 3 year before you can expect to replace your current income. Happens faster for some, but that's the average.
4. Dear God, please...PLEASE...don't quit your job at the first sign of your business growing. It will fluctuate, and you have to allow that.
I'm 3 years in. I would say I'm about 1 year into actually "working" it as a business. I love the products and use them daily, I give samples to friends and strangers if it comes up in conversation. I don't look to start conversations about it...that's awkward and not "real".
I'm seeing slow and steady growth. I have a team of 30. Of that 30, I have 1 serious business builder, 3-5 who sell casually, and the rest are discount product users. That's average.
During my best months so far, I've seen $1,500-$2,000 in profit. I've had months where I make $100. Definitely depends on what I'm actively doing.
What I hate are the people who are dishonest about what they're actually making. The reality is that it takes time and effort, but I fully believe that time and effort will pay you more than another job in the long run if you're consistent.
I've made MUCH more than I've spent with this company, which is something I couldn't say for past experiences. I've also met some of the most amazing people and built friendships that I wouldn't have if not for this, simply from conversations that naturally came up. Sometimes it leads to a business partner, sometimes it doesn't...and it truly doesn't matter to me one way or another.
I would hate to be immediately defriended just by someone knowing I sell something. I read people well, and most of the time now, people who know me, know that I sell it and will ask me about it if they are interested. I feel no need to "push" it on them.
One thing i cant stand is watching someone on social media jump around from company to company, and then act as if the current product they're selling is LIFE CHANGING! Girl, you said that about the last 5 things you tried to push on me! Also, I do NOT like being added to groups. I looked the other day and I'm in 16 different "LipSense" groups. I didn't personally accept or add myself to any of them. Ridiculous. I feel like a hostage!
However...
The resistance to authority once law enforcement was involved was ridiculous. Get off the plane, have an adult conversation, ask questions, get information, sue the airlines if you feel they weren't fair (they weren't, he had a case before he refused to move), but my gosh...do what the officer tells you.
This whole situation was avoidable on SO many levels.
This guy's past and record matter not a single bit. THAT DAY he didn't do anything illegal. He didn't do anything jerky. He didn't want to get out of the seat that he had paid for and already been seated in.
And the news organizations reporting his criminal history, like it has ANYTHING to do with what happened to him, can go fuck themselves. I enjoyed this piece from WaPo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/04/12/crucified-man-had-prior-run-in-with-authorities/?tid=sm_tw
Same goes for everyone who was quiet on FB and Twitter until all their political rants started.
***TW in Siggy***
Me: 34 / DH: 33
Married: Nov 2011
TTC #1: Jan 2013, BFP Sept 2013, DD: June 2014
TTC #2: Aug 2016, BFP Nov 2016, DS: August 2017
5.5.16 | 8.14.17 | 1.30.19
This was a perfect storm. I bet all airlines are going to lay low on the overbooking practices for awhile to mitigate more risk. (And this wasn't even an overbook, it was a last minute crew thing.)
Chicago's three airports (if you count Rockford) serve pretty much every airline in existence; lots of airline employees around here. I know employees of Delta, AA, UA, and SW. A UA employee wearing branded gear the other day got verbally harassed by some woman on the CTA- that's completely unacceptable. It disgusts me that there's so much hatred in the world to people who do nothing wrong. We decry racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc., but it's perfectly "accepted" to show hatred towards members of political parties and employees of corporations someone doesn't like. My UO, apparently, is that that's despicable- do under others, folks. Regardless of how one feels of the latest corporate scandal, lashing out towards employees who have nothing to do with that crap and just need a job to feed family and keep a roof over their heads- that's bullshit.
I listened to a good review of the situation from the pilot's wife, who was just explaining the ins and outs of airline snafus, and how the employees who desperately needed to get to the next destination were going to man another flight, which if it was delayed/cancelled would displace 100s of people, which would overload the other flights leaving that airport, domino effect of awfulness for possibly 1000s over the next few days. It wasn't poor planning, there are many factors that mess with airline travel flowing smoothly, namely weather, which no one can control.
It wasn't United Airlines that used excessive force on the passenger, it was airport police. So really, shouldn't we be getting up in arms about police anew? United handed the situation off to the cops when the passenger became irate.
I'm not in support of the situation, it's all sorts of shitty.
United's corporate response was terrible, though. There was also plenty they could have done before calling security to not escalate the situation. I work for a large corporation, and I get that it sucks for the employees. They should not be getting harassed.
I do think respecting authority is important, in certain situations. But it also reeks of white privilege to be able to say you should respect authority. For POC, respecting authority is certainly no guarantee of safety.
I'll teach my kids to respect their teacher and do as they say. But if a kid disobeys and the reaction by the teacher was to forcibly drag and injure the kid to force them to comply, well, there will be no respect for that teacher anymore.