December 2016 Moms

Moms with Toddlers

Sorry @jennbaylor12 if I'm stepping on toes. I don't know how you typically come up with your questions but I've got a big one I'm struggling with. 

For those who have outside babies, how is your toddler adjusting? Any challenges yet? 
DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


Re: Moms with Toddlers

  • For those who have outside babies, how is your toddler adjusting? Any challenges yet? 

    I asked this selfishly because we are struggling so much right now. My 2.5 was great in the hospital with being a sister. Since we've been home (only since Wednesday afternoon) she's been horrible.

     She's had pee accidents daily (not end of world but it's for attention, she says stuff like "I peed like Evie, change me too").

    She is throwing fits almost constantly. She's been awake for an hour today and already had 2 big breakdowns...one because I went back to bed (we watch mickey in bed on weekend mornings) and I guess I'm not allowed. Then another one because DH wouldn't go to the couch. 

    She is bossy all of a sudden. Tells me what to do "get away from me" "get out of bed" "mommy can't come to couch" "get me x or y". It's mainly directed towards me but some at DH. 

    She's "bring mean" to me. I know this is dumb that it's getting to me but hormones. I've cried more about this than anything so far. Says she doesn't love me now, won't let me help her with toys, tells me to go away all the time, calls me bad mommy. Especially when I'm holding the baby. 

    Last night I had DH take her to a Christmas thing as a daddy daughter date. She behaved great there but was bad once they got home. I thought some alone time with daddy would be good (she's a huge daddy's girl). But I guess it only helped during the event. 

    I just don't know what to do. Is it normal? A "this too shall pass" thing? 
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


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  • @sourlemon I don't have any advice because baby isn't here yet, but hugs. That sounds really tough... I'm assuming this is just a passing phase. Im terrified of how mine is going to respond to the new baby too :(
  • That is really really hard! I'm so sorry :-( What about a mommy daughter date? Even if she seems to be pushing you away.... show her that you are not going away just because of baby.  I make a point every day to spend some time with DS without having the baby even in the same room and I'm hoping that I'm able to have some one-on-one time with him away from the house soon although it is a little tricky seeing as we can't drive. I don't know, it's definitely hard
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  • @sourlemon I just had a meltdown about this. DS1 is 27 months and has tested every limit and patience I have today. He has had meltdowns for nothing, stopped listening... it's a mad house here. I find myself watching the clock for bedtime or naptime and then feel instantly guilty once he's in bed. 
    I find myself longing for the "simple" times before DS2 where we could go on adventures, have our routines, cuddle in the mornings... they are nonexistent right now. I ache at how much I miss him and these moments. 

    I keep keep reminding myself that it's only been 3 days. That it will get better. It has to (right???). But jeesh. 

    So no advice but I feel ya sister. 
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  • Thanks! I'll keep trying to pull her closer. 

    I feel so guilty about this but thank goodness my parents live here...they took her for a few hours in the afternoon and plan on taking her for a little bit tomorrow too. I had a breakdown when trying to talk to my mom. I hate crying (especially like that) in front of people  (especially my mom). But I'm so thankful that dd1 likes spending time at their house and sees it as a treat! And that they are willing to help so much in these early days. 

    I knew it'd be hard but gosh, I wasn't expecting such immediate turnaround in her behavior. :/ 
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • Thank you @maamawaabangi! I definitely need to work on things.
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • @sourlemon Me too! It was a good reminder to me as well... its easy in my place to know what I ought to do and fail to do it. 
    Plus, my 2 yo is a major mamas girl and i know this might be hard for her too! My 5 almost 6 yo is already in major regressive mode and I'm trying to practice my advice. 

    Also, it's a great idea getting her a day with grandma and grandpa... just because she wants you doesn't mean she can't grow and develop relationships with other loving people in her life. 

    Due December 27th with baby #7




  • Okay, moving this from the randoms thread because it seems more appropriate here.. 

    im at such a loss and don't know where this belongs, but SOS  I'm drowning today.

    DD can be so good. She can be so sweet and be such a good listener and wants nothing more than to be helpful. On those days we praise her to the high heavens and want to give her the world. Then there are days like today. She hits me and others and screams in my face. She went through a hitting phase a while back and things resolved themselves... now with the impending due date approaching her behavior has really taken a turn for the horrible. It's not every day, but the days it hits I am at such a loss. Today I am so exhausted. We don't spank, but we do take away toys/shows/treats/privileges and do time outs. She seems to get it, but not enough to make a serious change. Sometimes she will hit me and then immediately just want a hug because I know she feels terrible about it. It's like a lack of impulse control or something. Today I was so frustrated I slapped her hand... to which she responded with a slap back on my hand (I mean, i truly do think it's an absurd notion to think you can teach a kid to not hit by hitting... so touché to her). I have so much mom-guilt and it's stockpiling knowing that this baby is going to come in and rock the boat even further. 

    HALP.

    im sorry for the long vent I'm just really struggling with this today and she's finally napping so I've had time to breath and process. 
    Any other BTDT moms have some advice? 
  • @Christinaruth74 I think our DD's are the same age (2.5)? Mine started acting out more about 2 weeks before the baby was born. We tried everything to correct before the baby was born but obviously that did not happen. 

    Both kids had a dr appt at the same time (2.5 yo well baby and newborn) and a counselor always comes in to newborn ones to check on the mom mainly. I totally took advantage and asked about the toddler behavior and what to do. She said to give her lots of grace and know it'll get better quickly. Not only is being 2.5 hard, but having a new baby in the house is hard. Be consistent but know it won't always work and try not to be too hard on her. So tough for me. She was well behaved almost all the time. Then BAM. But that's what we were told so we are trying it out. It's been a struggle  (obviously) but some things are already getting better. She hasn't hit me in 2 days lol. Minor victories.
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • With hitting I generally grab their offending hand and give it a little squeeze (not painfully, but "I mean business") and seriously say "We do not hit!" While looking straight in the eye. Then follow through with a time out until they can "act loving". I think when kiddos start behaving like this they are asking "how much is changing in my life... help me define it"... it's our job/role to give them the parameters for what in their world is exactly changing. Basically, consistency. 
    A great book on this is called The Connected Child... it's adoption specific, but the author makes it VERY easy to apply to traditional parenting. Because it's adopt specific spanking is of course not recommended or addressed. The author is Karen Purvis and she had some great videos out there too. 

    Due December 27th with baby #7




  • edited December 2016
    @sourlemon yes to the grace. My H and I have been talking so much about this.. just giving grace and trying to understand that huge changes are coming / have come for her. Typically I'm so patient and I'm the one who is reminding him to also be more patient and gracious but today was not a pretty day for me. Good call with bringing it up at your appt though... I'm totally going to take advantage of that as well. 

     @maamawaabangi I'll look into that book for sure. A friend from church passed along a book to me but once it started incorporating "corporal punishment" I stopped reading. Typically that's the method I use for hitting (or kicking)((ETA your method I mean, not corporal punishment)). I hold the offending apaendages firmly, stare her down and tell her we don't hit. We have a designated time out spot (on the stairs) so usually I'll send her there immediately after until she's ready to talk and apologize. Sometimes the more effective thing I can do for her after she hits is offer a hug and she will just melt into me. Those moments make it so easy to give her grace and move forward. Days like today... well. Ya. But it makes sense that she's in a period of questioning and needing some definition. I was talking with her yesterday while she was in a snuggly moment and trying to tell her that although things will change when baby sister comes, that we still love her and she will always be so special to us.  And then I started tearing up and had to stop haha but I'm trying to ease her in as gently as possible. 

    Parenting is not for the faint of heart for sure. 
  • Yes to grace!!! and yes to it being hard... it shows me more every day where my heart is than anything else... it reveals my true nature. 

    My general practice from smalls to age 4 is...
    - Be consistent, define what you want to see clearly and lovingly... don't make them doubt you even in the littlest of things. 
    - Instruct (some call it train) in the way you desire them to behave (this takes consistency and structure). Set them up to succeed. It's only fair.
    - Address the heart/mind... behavior is the outflow of the heart. 
    - Mama sets the tone. They look to me to decide how to act or what attitude to have. (Ouch! I hate that!)

    Will also put a shout out for Give them Grace (which is faith-based, so might not be for everyone, I can't remember if they address CP, but if they do it's very minorly and it isn't the point of the book at all... so throw out what doesn't fit your family...  I do that a lot with parenting books and feel it's given me balance)... but it was a life changing read for me... not just my kids... but will say it's probably best applied to ages 4+. 

    Due December 27th with baby #7




  • @maamawaabangi I think Give Them Grace is the book my friend gave me. The beginning hit me hard (in a good way) so I really thought i would connect with it more. But then the CP was introduced and it turned me off... plus I felt like some of the examples they gave for conversations to have over-spiritualized certain things if that makes sense? But i agree, it would be better for me to read it when she's a little older.. it just overall didn't strike me as age-appropriate tools for where we are right now at 2.5. 
  • Also @maamawaabangi I feel like I just need all of the coffee dates with you. Tell me you live somewhere (anywhere!) in New England!
  • I wish too! Unfortunately not near New England... I'm in southwest Colorado. Hugs! 

    Due December 27th with baby #7




  • @maamawaabangi boo. Well, I'll still probably incessantly pick your brain here #sorrynotsorry
  • Great job mama! 
    We had a comeplete catastrophe of a day ... it was INSANE! But, not my toddler. Now everyone is reading quietly and there is peace. Just do the next thing... do it in love. 

    Due December 27th with baby #7




  • @maamawaabangi - what happened?

    I have a question for anyone who has a kid in childcare - do you get their "teachers" Christmas gifts? We did $10 starbucks gift cards. Is that too little? He's there only 2 days a week but they are SO GOOD with him. They are so sweet and caring and he knows how to share and I think they have a huge part in that...
    We pull him out after next week which is another thing. I'm super nervous about a wild 20 month old in the winter and a newborn. ayi yi...
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    Mother of an April '15 baby
    Due December 16
  • @maamawaabangi - what happened?

    I have a question for anyone who has a kid in childcare - do you get their "teachers" Christmas gifts? We did $10 starbucks gift cards. Is that too little? He's there only 2 days a week but they are SO GOOD with him. They are so sweet and caring and he knows how to share and I think they have a huge part in that...
    We pull him out after next week which is another thing. I'm super nervous about a wild 20 month old in the winter and a newborn. ayi yi...
    $10 Starbucks cards is exactly what we did and they loved it :-D
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    edited December 2016
    @slartybartfast  I am getting gifts for them but its also a "goodbye" gift as we are pulling DS out at the end of the year and he's been there like, more than a year now! I think $10 starbucks giftcards are fine, especially since he is part time.

    ETA: I am also nervous about navigating a newborn and a toddler...it will be my first go as a SAHM and I don't know how I'll handle it!
  • @smashjam - I just hope we get to a point soon where he'll sit and color and stuff. Right now he just likes to scribble some and then bite the crayons.
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    Mother of an April '15 baby
    Due December 16
  • @slartybartfast the gift cards sound perfect! 
  • @maamawaabangi ugh sorry you guys had a rough day... enjoy your peace now❤️
  • maamawaabangimaamawaabangi member
    edited December 2016
    @slartybartfast ... what didn't? In short my almost 6yo is feeling the stress of baby coming and for the last two weeks is basically having a behavioral (regressive/RAD/sensory) meltdown ... i have to have her with me at all times or she's literally gluing pompon balls to the carpet, licking out the bathroom sink or pooping her pants. It's intense, even for her.... when things aren't normal she expresses the stress in ugly ways and needs to have ultra clear boundaries and follow through at all times... It's exhausting... particularly for me right now because I am not really able to focus fully on her needs for that with my own needs and just everything else going on. Basically, Christmas is a hard time for her typically so... this one is like a sh!t storm. 

    Our older 4, who are typically rock stars were having and off day and stuff fell apart after I tried to rest for a bit ... we pulled it together with a huge (ugly cry) heart to heart, but I am spent in just about every way. We ended the night by getting take out and reading with NO noise (which was really appreciated by all I think) and everyone went to bed early... not punitively, they/we just all needed it. 
    Sigh... tomorrow's a new day. 



    Due December 27th with baby #7




  • @maamawaabangi oh man big hugs to you. Moms are heros. You are one x 7!!!
    Pregnancy Ticker
    Mother of an April '15 baby
    Due December 16
  • I love reading y'alls responses. I need to remember to give DS1 more grace in this transition 
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  • Cheers to a new day, ladies ❤️ This thread has me feeling all the feels lately. 
  • Just read this article which feels very timely given the fact that our big brothers and sisters are experiencing a world of emotions with new baby and they may come out in a variety of expressions:
    https://www.fatherly.com/fatherly-forum/how-to-teach-child-emotional-intelligence/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=paidsocial&utm_campaign=mkemotionalintelligence
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    Mother of an April '15 baby
    Due December 16
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