The hardest part for me is that my 4th grader wants to watch the debate. I want to encourage her, while trying to explain things (like economy, taxes, equal pay/equal work), and trying to remain unbiased. It's hard. So we started watching it last night. And she has heard what a certain candidate has said about women, and the Wall. We are mixed Hispanic females. When watching the primary debates and speeches, she has asked "why does he want to build a wall between us and Mexico?" And "Why would he say those things about girls?" And "That wasn't nice to make fun of the person with a disability". Just imagine the questions I'm getting from the presidential debate
@yellingbanana that's no small task, but your little lady is asking great questions. Good on you for exposing her to current events and educating her where you can along the way. My 16YO SD isn't asking questions, but she and her friends are talking about who they would vote for if they were old enough to vote. It's kind of funny (but yet not funny)...the consensus in her group of friends is to sit this one out...
Why is The Bump suddenly giving me these annoying pop up ads with noise (on my laptop)? I don't like it. Annoying me does not make me want your product.
Unrelated: I finally yelled at my boss today for the repeated "looks" he gives my growing bump. Several weeks ago I politely commented that yes, my bump is growing, that is what happens in pregnancy, and he dropped it. Today, he gave me another look (I don't know how he means it, but to me the look says "I can't believe you're so huge") and I loudly told him that I wish he wouldn't do that, as it is frustrating, uncomfortable, and doesn't make me feel very good about myself to constantly get looks and comments about my size. He sort of back tracked and tried to apologize. Here's to hoping he stops.
@penelope4612 good for you for saying something...hopefully he gets the hint.
And a big WTF to the ads today from me as well. I usually mobile bump rather than on my laptop, but it sucks trying to actively participate on my phone because typing takes so much longer. Today has made me want to throw my laptop out the window and fight with my phone instead!
Edit because apparently typing is hard on a laptop too
Neither Stein nor Johnson are actually running for president. It's a strategy of the parties to put forth candidates to push their agendas and gain visibility to their issues and remain in the game in the event there is a year where popular opinion really truly has an opening for a 3rd party candidate. This is not that year and these are not candidates for that. They are candidates that give voice to very limited and very specific issues which definitely has utility for those parties. And democratic balance really. And against my better judgment, I'll leave this editorial right here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/isaac-saul/i-wrote-that-i-despised-hillary-clinton-i-take-it-back_b_12220124.html
Not agreeing with Hillary's politics is totally legit and understandable. But the hate from people that actually do agree with her politics is ...troubling.
@slartybartfast I read that editorial too, and it's one of the better ones I've read detailing why (in my opinion) Hillary Clinton is the only logical choice this year.
The hate for Hillary is really disturbing. I remember people hated her in the 90s... I have a feeling that for a lot of those extreme Hillary haters, they're threatened by a woman in power.
@slartybartfast I read that editorial too, and it's one of the better ones I've read detailing why (in my opinion) Hillary Clinton is the only logical choice this year.
@slartybartfast That was a great read, too. Thanks for sharing that.
Agreed. I didn't start this election cycle being a big Hillary fan, but I've come to terms with some of my own implicit biases and I'm on board. Especially considering who the alternative is.
@slartybartfast I read that editorial too, and it's one of the better ones I've read detailing why (in my opinion) Hillary Clinton is the only logical choice this year.
The hate for Hillary is really disturbing. I remember people hated her in the 90s... I have a feeling that for a lot of those extreme Hillary haters, they're threatened by a woman in power.
No. Just no. To tell me, a well-read, educated woman, who's held VP positions within very successful companies that I am threatened by a woman in power is f-ing ludicrous, insulting and I will not tolerate it. Sorry - I am free to not like a person, their politics, their clothing or their body odor. For the media to perpetuate, then for intelligent people like yourself to keep it going that the fear is women in power is laughable - as if I can't make a choice of who I like on my own because I'm 'afraid of a woman in power'. I am a woman in power. And I don't like Hillary. That is my choice, and it is not made by fear.
Also adding here that i think trump sucks balls, too. I actually hate them both, for very different reasons.
@DiFazette - I don't think it's about the not liking, not agreeing with Hillary - it's about the serious HATE vibe against her by those who even agree with her politics. The misogyny laced through this election cycle is undeniable. But it doesn't mean there isn't also space to be opposed to Hillary in a logical way as well.
For anyone who has 20 minutes to spare...... This is a great piece for people who feel like they can't trust Hillary. You're entitled to your opinion but the alternative is worse, MUCH worse. John Oliver sums it up perfectly.
@DiFazette - I don't think it's about the not liking, not agreeing with Hillary - it's about the serious HATE vibe against her by those who even agree with her politics. The misogyny laced through this election cycle is undeniable. But it doesn't mean there isn't also space to be opposed to Hillary in a logical way as well.
I agree with you @slartybartfast but I'm beyond tired of the media telling me, then seeing it regurgitated all over the web that if I don't support hillary I'm against women, or afraid of women in power. I despise being told what I think. Your last sentace is my point exactly - I can choose to not like a candidate. That doesn't mean I'm a list of really nasty things - and I'm quite honestly fed up with the liberal media continuously suggesting that if I don't support her than I must also be misogynistic, racist and hateful. There are TWO possible candidates - 50% of the population can NOT be pigeonholed into extreme personality defects as the media sees fit.
@slartybartfast I read that editorial too, and it's one of the better ones I've read detailing why (in my opinion) Hillary Clinton is the only logical choice this year.
The hate for Hillary is really disturbing. I remember people hated her in the 90s... I have a feeling that for a lot of those extreme Hillary haters, they're threatened by a woman in power.
No. Just no. To tell me, a well-read, educated woman, who's held VP positions within very successful companies that I am threatened by a woman in power is f-ing ludicrous, insulting and I will not tolerate it. Sorry - I am free to not like a person, their politics, their clothing or their body odor. For the media to perpetuate, then for intelligent people like yourself to keep it going that the fear is women in power is laughable - as if I can't make a choice of who I like on my own because I'm 'afraid of a woman in power'. I am a woman in power. And I don't like Hillary. That is my choice, and it is not made by fear.
Also adding here that i think trump sucks balls, too. I actually hate them both, for very different reasons.
Notice that I said "a lot of", not ALL.
I've heard some of the Hillary haters try to articulate why they hate her so much. Some of them can't. Therefore, I am led to believe that they hate her for some bullshit reason, not due to anything really specific.
I have no idea why you hate her, so how could I assume that you'd fall into that group? Please don't get so defensive.
@Lisa3379 not defensive, just telling the other side of the story. It angers me that I have to be firmly planted in one camp or another and if I stand for this, I must be against that. The world is not as black and white as the hardcore activists and supports on either side would like to beleieve - I believe that most people are moderates than lean left, or moderates than lean right. Pitting people against one another rarely produces a good outcome - and that's all I see these days. Us against them. We are a country divided and in my opinion - as long as we let that shit perpetuate, instead of letting people make their own choices without fear of labeling them as something grotesque - we will accomplish nothing. The hate, the race baiting the bigotry - it's out there, but I see it pushed to its extreme. Both sides of this election are leading from a place of fear and disgust. Trumps because that's his policies, and Hillary's because everyone who doesn't support her falls into the former.
@difazette - liberal media... and conservative media (like WSJ). News organizations don't even pretend to not have political bias anymore. It's so amazing to me. I feel like the bias was a little more subtle in previous elections. I just find it so odd that it's commonplace for news organizations to specifically endorse a candidate. Though I do see there being sort of an obstacle to finding a balanced approach when the republican party has pretty much crumbled. And I do agree with @Lisa3379 - the explanations for WHY people HATE Hillary are so... incomplete. Or just don't make sense. Or are also embedded to even more extremes in Obama's presidency and Bernie's record... and yet they fawn over them. Which is what that second editorial I posted is about. There's a double standard here and there is no denying it from my point of view.
It's dannngerous to discuss politics on here but so far we've done a great job of keep reactionary emotions out of it. Though if some UOs pop up today that this is just a baaad idea, I get that too. It's just such a big thing going on...
@slartybartfast for sure. I agree with mostly everything that's been said here - even though I'm not a Hillary fan. I'm trying to provide an alternate view that is often silenced by our media - the betweeners. The people who think both suck. I just know that the liberal side wants to tell me I'm terrible for not being on the Hillary train. The conservative side won't shut the hell up about the same shit over and over so I feel far less judged by them
I'm not mad at anyone here, not even heated... I just think it's important that all sides get to have an opinion. I don't think that the overwhelming majority of people here are Hillary lovers - she's the lesser of two evils. I get that. And if that's the case as it seems to be, we need to be careful of stereotyping people who haven't succumbed to their choice between shitty and shittier.
@DiFazette I surely didn't mean to put people into one "basket" (as Clinton would say, haha) or another, and that's why I phrased it (or tried to phrase it) the way I did. I know that some people have legitimate reasons for not liking her. Hell, even I have reasons why I don't like her as much as I like other Democrats (*ahem* Elizabeth Warren). I've had great conversations with people that don't like her, and in those conversations, they have actual cogent points to make. We disagree, perhaps, but I respect it all the same. That type of discourse is good.
What I was mainly referring to are the people that would rather see her dead than in the Oval Office, and they really can't explain why. It's a small percentage of overall Clinton detractors, but still a scary portion regardless. I know that most people are fairly moderate and reasonable.
My main frustration with this election is that so much of it seems to be fueled by feelings instead of fact. Facts show that our country is actually pretty safe and doing much better than it was, but because so many people FEEL the opposite, that seems to be more important to a large group of people. I'm also one of those people that actually really likes Hillary. I've researched the shit out of her and really found that the majority of the bad things people say about her are either complete bullshit or grossly overblown. I think she is a very qualified candidate and not simply the lesser of two evils.
I completely know that there are legit reasons that people don't like Hillary, so I'm not referring to those people here: I JUDGE THE HELL out of people who can't back their opinions up with actual fact. I live in a very rural/conservative area and every time someone mentions her emails, or how she destroyed electronics with hammers, or even better, any of the millions of insane conspiracy theories floating around about her.... my head explodes. If they tell me they just FEEL like those things are shady without backing factually why it's wrong I judge that person.
editing just for complete clarification: I'm not referring to anyone here. Everyone who has posted has been very reasonable and well spoken, I'm just talking about the big chunk of really loud crazies that this election has seemingly brought out of the underbelly.
@difazette - that's interesting to hear that you feel pressure to support Hillary. I've actually felt the opposite (but less from the media and more from my social groups). I hopped on the Hillary train fairly early. I randomly read through about 100 of her released emails on a server that provided access to them and was so impressed with her intelligence, precision, and professionalism. I came away feeling "whoa that woman is seriously my superior" which is personally what I want in a president. But I only "came out" as a supporter a couple months ago because I am friends with a LOT of Bernie fans. Some of which are Bernie or bust, most are not, but are very critical of Hillary still. I'm against Trump. But I'm also very for Hillary and felt insecure about voicing that for a while. Since the debate, however, I've seen a number of my friends on facebook come out in support of her and I think they have all along but we've sort of subdued ourselves in the wake of the Bernie or Bust movement. For the record, I'm more fiscally conservative than her (and thus a lot more than Bernie), more environmentally motivated but in other ways very aligned. I find it really regrettable that conservative politics have no reasonable or unified voice right now because I think that balance is essential for our economy.
In non-pollitical randomness - if I die today it's because my boss found chocolate truffles (sealed) in his desk from last Christmas (he thinks) and everyone on our team ate one. I have no willpower with chocolate lately, so I participated in this team building exercise.
Hijacking the random-turned-political thread because I can finally contribute to the glucose drink comments! And...it didn't taste terrible! Funky aftertaste, but it tasted like an overly-sugared Kool Aid, which isn't the worst thing ever.
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Just imagine the questions I'm getting from the presidential debate
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Unrelated: I finally yelled at my boss today for the repeated "looks" he gives my growing bump. Several weeks ago I politely commented that yes, my bump is growing, that is what happens in pregnancy, and he dropped it. Today, he gave me another look (I don't know how he means it, but to me the look says "I can't believe you're so huge") and I loudly told him that I wish he wouldn't do that, as it is frustrating, uncomfortable, and doesn't make me feel very good about myself to constantly get looks and comments about my size. He sort of back tracked and tried to apologize. Here's to hoping he stops.
And a big WTF to the ads today from me as well. I usually mobile bump rather than on my laptop, but it sucks trying to actively participate on my phone because typing takes so much longer. Today has made me want to throw my laptop out the window and fight with my phone instead!
Edit because apparently typing is hard on a laptop too
Evidently Gary Johnson doesn't know the names of any foreign leaders: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/28/gary-johnson-another-aleppo-moment/91249582/
And against my better judgment, I'll leave this editorial right here:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/isaac-saul/i-wrote-that-i-despised-hillary-clinton-i-take-it-back_b_12220124.html
Not agreeing with Hillary's politics is totally legit and understandable. But the hate from people that actually do agree with her politics is ...troubling.
The hate for Hillary is really disturbing. I remember people hated her in the 90s... I have a feeling that for a lot of those extreme Hillary haters, they're threatened by a woman in power.
companies that I am threatened by a woman in power is f-ing ludicrous, insulting and I will not tolerate it. Sorry - I am free to not like a person, their politics, their clothing or their body odor. For the media to perpetuate, then for intelligent people like yourself to keep it going that the fear is women in power is laughable - as if I can't make a choice of who I like on my own because I'm 'afraid of a woman in power'. I am a woman in power. And I don't like Hillary. That is my choice, and it is not made by fear.
Also adding here that i think trump sucks balls, too. I actually hate them both, for very different reasons.
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I've heard some of the Hillary haters try to articulate why they hate her so much. Some of them can't. Therefore, I am led to believe that they hate her for some bullshit reason, not due to anything really specific.
And I do agree with @Lisa3379 - the explanations for WHY people HATE Hillary are so... incomplete. Or just don't make sense. Or are also embedded to even more extremes in Obama's presidency and Bernie's record... and yet they fawn over them. Which is what that second editorial I posted is about. There's a double standard here and there is no denying it from my point of view.
It's dannngerous to discuss politics on here but so far we've done a great job of keep reactionary emotions out of it. Though if some UOs pop up today that this is just a baaad idea, I get that too. It's just such a big thing going on...
I'm not mad at anyone here, not even heated... I just think it's important that all sides get to have an opinion. I don't think that the overwhelming majority of people here are Hillary lovers - she's the lesser of two evils. I get that. And if that's the case as it seems to be, we need to be careful of stereotyping people who haven't succumbed to their choice between shitty and shittier.
What I was mainly referring to are the people that would rather see her dead than in the Oval Office, and they really can't explain why. It's a small percentage of overall Clinton detractors, but still a scary portion regardless. I know that most people are fairly moderate and reasonable.
I completely know that there are legit reasons that people don't like Hillary, so I'm not referring to those people here: I JUDGE THE HELL out of people who can't back their opinions up with actual fact. I live in a very rural/conservative area and every time someone mentions her emails, or how she destroyed electronics with hammers, or even better, any of the millions of insane conspiracy theories floating around about her.... my head explodes. If they tell me they just FEEL like those things are shady without backing factually why it's wrong I judge that person.
editing just for complete clarification: I'm not referring to anyone here. Everyone who has posted has been very reasonable and well spoken, I'm just talking about the big chunk of really loud crazies that this election has seemingly brought out of the underbelly.
Since the debate, however, I've seen a number of my friends on facebook come out in support of her and I think they have all along but we've sort of subdued ourselves in the wake of the Bernie or Bust movement.
For the record, I'm more fiscally conservative than her (and thus a lot more than Bernie), more environmentally motivated but in other ways very aligned. I find it really regrettable that conservative politics have no reasonable or unified voice right now because I think that balance is essential for our economy.