Infertility

After Letrozole/Clomid?

After 5 rounds of Letrozole I will likely be starting Clomid in the fall. Is anyone familiar with anything that can be done after those two medications have been tried (other than IUI or IVF)? I hear "injectables" a lot, but I'm not sure what that protocol entails. I want to have at least some idea of what lies ahead in the event we have to move on from pills.

Thanks!!
Me: 33, PCOS with anovulation
DH: 36, No known issues
TTC since 11/2014
1000mg Metformin daily

Oct-Dec 2015: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI = BFN x 2
Feb-May 2016: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN x 3
August 2016: Clomid 100mg no response, Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN

Re: After Letrozole/Clomid?

  • I'm pretty sure injectables means Gonal-f in a low dose, which is a med used for IVF. I don't know that TI is ever a thing with those, or if you have to do IUI. I think that generally if you're doing TI for as long as you have, it's time to try something else, like IUI.
    About us:
    Me - 28, Lean PCOS
    DH - 31
    Married June 2010, TTC since March 2014
    Blog: ourbinarystar.com

    FET cycle #3 Transfer July 28th 2016, Triplets born healthy on February 26th 2017 at 33w1d!

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  • For religious reasons we won't be trying IUI or IVF, so we want to maximize our chances with TI. I could have sworn I've seen a post (maybe not here) of injectables for PCOS... maybe in conjunction w/ IUI, maybe a lower dose? 
    Me: 33, PCOS with anovulation
    DH: 36, No known issues
    TTC since 11/2014
    1000mg Metformin daily

    Oct-Dec 2015: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI = BFN x 2
    Feb-May 2016: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN x 3
    August 2016: Clomid 100mg no response, Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN

  • I echo what @AandDM2014 said - I haven't heard of injectables being used to stimulate ovulation for TI before - only IUI or IVF.  The big thing with moving on from oral medication to injectables is the cost increases drastically.  
    • $10-$15 for 1 cycle of oral medication (for me)
    • $3,000 - $5,000 for 1 cycle of injectable medication (for me)
    So obviously, if you're going to be investing thousands of dollars on medicine, you want to maximize your chances of getting pregnant.
    Me (31) & DH (31) - married 2008; TTC since 2013
    SA = normal; HSG = clear; history of DVT/PE
    Diagnosed with unexplained infertility
    IUI #1- April '16 - BFN 
    IUI #2 - May '16 - BFN
    IVF Fresh Xfer #1 (1 blastocyst) - Sept '16 - BFN
    FET #2 - 11/8/16 (2 blastocysts) - Beta on 11/18
    4 more blastocysts on ice
  • Oh wow, thanks for that @Monica54321. I am very fortunate to live in a state where most treatments are covered so cost hasn't been an issue so far. I'm not sure we could afford that. Good luck to you.
    Me: 33, PCOS with anovulation
    DH: 36, No known issues
    TTC since 11/2014
    1000mg Metformin daily

    Oct-Dec 2015: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI = BFN x 2
    Feb-May 2016: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN x 3
    August 2016: Clomid 100mg no response, Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN

  • At my clinic we could have chosen to do injectables with TI.  I did injectables with all of my IUI cycles.  In my experience, I started the follicle stimulating injection (Gonal-F, Follistim, etc) on Day 3 of my cycle.  I went back in on Day 7 of my cycle for a monitoring ultrasound and that day is when I typically started a 2nd injection that prevents you from ovulating prematurely (Ganirelix, Cetrotide, etc).  I would do both of these injections for 3-4 more nights and then once they confirmed the follicle(s) were mature, I took the trigger shot (Ovidrel, not sure of the other name brands).  Ovulation occurs approximately 36 hours after the trigger shot, so that is when you would do your IUI, TI.  Hope that helps and best of luck to you!
     
    Me (36)  DH (39)
    3 early m/c before pursuing fertility treatments
    Diagnosis: Unexplained
    IUI #1: Jan 2015 (Follistim) *cancelled (over-stimulated)
    IUI #2: Mar 2016 (Follistim + Ganirelix + Ovidrel) *BFN
    IUI #3: Apr 2016 (Follistim + Ganirelix + Ovidrel)  *BFN
    IUI #4: May 2016(Follistim + Ganirelix + Ovidrel)  *BFN
    IVF #1: ER 6/30, 9 eggs retrieved, 7 mature, 6 fertilized w/ ICSI, 3 made to Day 6, 0 normal after PGS
    IVF #2: begin stims mid August
  • srh18srh18 member
    I also had the option of using injectables with TI. My RE has always been adamant that in my situation iui does not increase my chances of becoming pregnant over ti (I do not ovulate naturally-thanks, PCOS-but had a lot of success with very low doses of clomid). She actually told us that we could just do TI over and over and would probably get pregnant eventually, I think her words were "you've just been randomly unlucky." Thankfully, I have a very engaged and supportive re who worked with us to move on after we got wore out from TI and Iui anyways. 

    Also, I believe I remember her saying that injectables raise your chances of success slightly with TI or iui but I can't be sure that I'm remembering correctly. 

    Whatever you choose, good luck!!!
  • @srh18 and @AugustAng, thank you. I guess my thought is if injectables are given for IUI why couldn't I substitute TI? (Assuming it's not cost-prohibitive.) Well, fingers crossed that I will see a difference on Clomid. Maybe 2 follicles instead of 1??
    Me: 33, PCOS with anovulation
    DH: 36, No known issues
    TTC since 11/2014
    1000mg Metformin daily

    Oct-Dec 2015: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI = BFN x 2
    Feb-May 2016: Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN x 3
    August 2016: Clomid 100mg no response, Letrozole 5mg, Ovidrel, TI, Prometrium = BFN

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