TW Poll Results Posted

izza2 · July 2016

TW (trigger warning) use and what it should be used for has been brought up for a couple of different topics, and love-tit-voting for this isn't really as easy as other topics, so - here's a poll.

It's multi-select, so select whatever topics you feel TWs should be used for.
There's also an extra spot so anything else that was forgotten can be mentioned.

ETA: See post from 7/17 for voting result

mtmama2 · July 2016

Thanks for making this @izza2! Way easier than love-tit-voting!

izza2 · July 2016

@SienaC - that was my thought.
I'm thinking we can do it this way for the rest of the voting, when we do that, too. Sooo much easier than counting love-tits or something, haha.

PurpleRains · July 2016

@izza2 Thanks so much for doing this! (I have a crush on Survey Monkey, not gonna lie)

izza2 · July 2016

@ahrains - I've never made a poll myself, so it was definitely an experience for me. Now that I have, though, I want to use it for every poll ever.

Maggie1202 · July 2016

Thank you for setting this up, @izza2! You're the bomb!

TheJerilu · July 2016

@ahrains @izza2
I'm so happy to not be the only person who would totally netflix and chill with surveymonkey.

izza2 · July 2016

@TheJerilu - Now I'm like going through things I could possibly use this for in my life.
Like, next time H and I have a conversation and I need to ask him what option he'd choose, I feel like I could totally make a survey and let him take it to see the results.

PurpleRains · July 2016

@izza2 @TheJerilu I use SM and Google forms all the daggum time and I'm pretty happy to have them in my life. Enjoy!

izza2 · July 2016

Bumping this up.

If you haven't already - please vote!

BarefootandPurple · July 2016

Done

EBrigner84 · July 2016

Bump

NamelessAria · July 2016

I had so much fun with survey monkey back when I was completing my psych degree and assisting with research.

Oh and I voted.

izza2 · July 2016

We had over 100 votes on Sunday when I posted, so I paid to get an upgraded membership so every vote counted.

jatwal128 · July 2016

@izza2 I feel like I should be chipping in for that! That's great of you!!

NamelessAria · July 2016

Over 100 votes? Whoa. I had no idea we had that many people on this board.

izza2 · July 2016

@NamelessAria - That was my response! I'm sure not everyone who voted is/is still a participant on TTGP, but, I figure the overall community-thoughts will be portrayed.

Just so everyone knows -- this survey has only had 3 hits today.

laurad75 · July 2016

izza2 said:

@NamelessAria - That was my response! I'm sure not everyone who voted is/is still a participant on TTGP, but, I figure the overall community-thoughts will be portrayed.

Just so everyone knows -- this survey has only had 3 hits today.

I voted this morning.

catem07 · July 2016

Edit: whoops, wrong poll

izza2 · July 2016

Bumping this!

There were a total of 10 responses yesterday, and 4 so far today.

Maggie1202 · July 2016

Where is everyone??! Way more people had an opinion on the thread. I really hope they all vote!

ETA: Just saw this is the TW poll... Maybe it had more responses last week. Just ignore me...

izza2 · July 2016

Bumpetty.

Megzb510 · July 2016

Bump

izza2 · July 2016

Thanks @Megzb510!

There were 8 responses yesterday.

izza2 · July 2016

Any thoughts on closing these polls this weekend? Give today and tomorrow and close it Sunday morning and share the results then?

KirstinH88 · July 2016

@izza2 you know I'm down for it. Will you also share the comments? You can keep the negative, unhelpful ones out if you want.

izza2 · July 2016

@KristinH88 - I'll share all of the comments for both polls, so that everyone's comments are shared.

NamelessAria · July 2016

I think closing this over/after the weekend sounds like a great plan. I'd assume most, if not all, of the regular poster and regular lurkers have voted by this point. I mean it has been up for a full week at this point.

izza2 · July 2016

Bumping.

NamelessAria · July 2016

Bumping so everyone sees before voting closes.

izza2 · July 2016

Okay - closed the poll.
Here is the exported chart of the results:

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Comments:
1. I feel that using a TW each time to mention loss further isolates those that have suffered a loss.

2. Currently pregnant

3. Violence, suicide, death

4. TTGP is Not IF or even TTTGP, children and pregnancies should be ok. If a poster is that sensitive they should move to a more selective board like Infertility

5. TW for more detailed discussion about MC/CP

6. Abortion

7. Death, suicide, cancer

8. tragic death of other people and especially children

9. BFPs could probably go without, as long as it's clear in the post that a BFP is mentioned

10. 1. Details of Loss 2. Details of death (of anyone)

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So, analysis:
The majority of the people who voted want a TW for Miscarriage, Abuse, and Rape.
CPs were 1/3 yes, 2/3 no - but they're also usually covered until a general "loss" tag...
Pregnancy was only 1/5
Children was 1/25
Birth Stories are 1/5
BFPs are 1/2.5

Comment analysis shows a want for TWs for death and suicide, potentially for general violence and abortion. Thoughts on this?

AliciaGoose · July 2016

I think a TW for general violence, death, suicide, cancer, and abortion makes sense. While I don't see myself needing those TWs, I think since we are on a site where you wouldn't expect to see those things brought up it would make sense to TW them. Basically my thought is anything that is not TTC related and could be a really sensitive subject (such as the ones above) should have a TW.

I also think separating CPs from MCs as if they are not both losses of a pregnancy with equal importance is not something we should do. That can be a really touchy subject. If the community wants to TW MC that should include CP as well.

izza2 · July 2016

@AliciaGoose- I agree on both points. I should've just put "losses" instead of separating MC and CP, but that was an oversight on my part. Both are losses, and since the TW that's usually used is just "losses" instead of specific to one or the other - it would've been better had I done that.

NamelessAria · July 2016

AliciaGoose said:

I think a TW for general violence, death, suicide, cancer, and abortion makes sense. While I don't see myself needing those TWs, I think since we are on a site where you wouldn't expect to see those things brought up it would make sense to TW them. Basically my thought is anything that is not TTC related and could be a really sensitive subject (such as the ones above) should have a TW.

I also think separating CPs from MCs as if they are not both losses of a pregnancy with equal importance is not something we should do. That can be a really touchy subject. If the community wants to TW MC that should include CP as well.

I agree with this. It seems cruel to start ranking losses. "Oh well your loss was just shy of being a more important and more hurtful lose. Too bad you didn't get the extra day!" I think we should just say a loss is a loss and leave it there at least for the purpose of TWs.

I'd agree with adding TWs for discussions about abortions, rape, abuse, suicide and the like. I'm not personally triggered by things like suicide but I know some people are, like @izza2. And I definitely want to be respectful of those feelings.

I don't think children need a TW. If someone wants to complain about their daughter having a cold or something that isn't going to bother me. I don't need a TW for the mere mention of a living child. And it looks like nearly everyone else felt this way also. But we did agree that TWs shouldn't turn into one of those "well if it doesn't bother ME then we don't need it" things and as such should probably be unanimous in the decision to not have them. So I'm not sure what to do about that all.

Also whoever wrote in that if someone is sensitive enough to need a TW they shouldn't be on this board and should move to IF/TTTC/TTCAL/whatever:

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izza2 · July 2016

NamelessAria said:

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I don't think children need a TW. If someone wants to complain about their daughter having a cold or something that isn't going to bother me. I don't need a TW for the mere mention of a living child. And it looks like nearly everyone else felt this way also. But we did agree that TWs shouldn't turn into one of those "well if it doesn't bother ME then we don't need it" things and as such should probably be unanimous in the decision to not have them. So I'm not sure what to do about that all.

Also whoever wrote in that if someone is sensitive enough to need a TW they shouldn't be on this board and should move to IF/TTTC/TTCAL/whatever:

If the unanimous decision has to be made, then we'll need TWs for everything mentioned on the poll, and in the comments.

TB ate my post.

I don't want to be a community that's "well if it doesn't bother ME" either, but I feel like a line does have to be drawn somewhere. Otherwise we'll end up literally using TWs for everything.

I mean, here's the numbers for the ones that aren't >50% of votes:
Pregnancy = 42 out of 198 votes (21.21%)
Children = 8 out of 198 votes (4.04%)
Birth stories = 39 out of 198 votes (19.70%)
BFPs = 77 out of 198 votes (38.89%)
No need for TWs = 37 out of 198 votes (18.69%)

I've never seen anyone actually come out and say they need a TW for talking about children. I guess if any of those 8 people spoke up and said they need one and explained why, I could understand it more?

NamelessAria · July 2016

I've never seen anyone actually come out and say they need a TW for talking about children. I guess if any of those 8 people spoke up and said they need one and explained why, I could understand it more?

Yeah I think that would be good because I thought we'd decided, as a community, that TW for children aren't needed. I feel like if we abide by the unanimous rule pretty much everyone will have TWs on nearly all posts which seems to somewhat defeat the purpose.

KirstinH88 · July 2016

I think we should go for everything above the 50% line. I know we want a unanimous decision, but with a community so large, I doubt we will ever reach one. Also, I know BFPs had a high amount (almost 40%) but if we continue to keep them in a separate post, then that post just had a giant TW for everything mentioned within.

Maggie1202 · July 2016

So, at one point we had said that if one person needs a TW for something, we should all abide. But when I'm seeing the votes (especially the TW for current children), that seems a little excessive. I feel like we're going to end up TW'ing every single post. That's a lot...

Just my 2 cents...

LadyMillil · July 2016

Also whoever wrote in that if someone is sensitive enough to need a TW they shouldn't be on this board and should move to IF/TTTC/TTCAL/whatever:

I mean, here's the numbers for the ones that aren't >50% of votes:
Pregnancy = 42 out of 198 votes (21.21%)
Children = 8 out of 198 votes (4.04%) Ditto PPs.
Birth stories = 39 out of 198 votes (19.70%) I've been here a long time and I've never seen a birth story posted on TTGP besides the pinned postpartum thread or drive bys
BFPs = 77 out of 198 votes (38.89%) Is there some sort of middle ground? Like, if you were saying "on the cycle I got my BFP I had no symptoms during TWW" doesn't need a TW but a BFP announcement does
No need for TWs = 37 out of 198 votes (18.69%)

It might just be me, but I feel like the >50% of votes topics (besides BFPs in the weekly thread) aren't discussed very often, and *usually* the thread title gives enough information that people can avoid the thread

izza2 · July 2016

I feel like with these we need to distinguish between what discussion actually needs a TW and what doesn't.

Mentioning loss, like just saying "I had a loss in 2014." or "Before my loss..." --- I don't feel that needs a TW, because it's not in detail and nothing more is being shared.
However, flat out discussion, like "I just went through a loss, and it's been difficult, but we're getting through it. When it first happened I didn't know how to handle things..." -- that's more in-depth and seems more like it needs a TW. Not just saying the word "loss"?

Thoughts? I feel like that's kind of where part of the problem comes from is because it's used for any mention of loss ever, and if any OP uses the word loss, they're told to put a TW in the title even if they're not going in depth about anything - and that's really censoring and makes people feel like they can't talk about their loss, because even saying the word needs a TW.
Is that kind of something that does trigger anyone? I don't know, so I have to ask. Just the word, or an actual discussion?

Worst comes to worst, we can have another shorter-run poll on that distinction to see what everyone wants.

Same with BFPs. I agree with what @LadyMillil said -- general mention needs no TW, but a BFP announcement does. Same kind of principal for loss.

KirstinH88 · July 2016

I agree with @izza2. I have experienced loss and it kind of drives me crazy that I have to TW even when I'm just saying something like "after loss, my cycles have done X, Y, and Z." Or "Before my loss, etc..." I do think if you are going to go into depth on feelings towards it, then you should TW. But just briefly mentioning it as a point of timeline reference shouldn't require a TW. But then again, I come from the small (but hopefully growing) group in society who will openly talk about my loss to friends/family as a way to make it less of a taboo topic. So maybe I'm just too open about it and others would like it to be a TW.

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