Well, I had a good lunch with my mom, but it quickly turned into a shit show.
I drove my mom back home and went inside because I had to pee. We were talking for a little bit, and my brother came home. At first things were fine, but then he asked what names we are thinking. I said we only have one name we like, but nothing concrete. I said that I didn't want to share because I wasn't interested in hearing opinions. My brother and mom kept bugging and pestering, and I thought about how I did want to include my mom more, so I said a name we are considering for a girl: Mavis Rose.
The responses were as follows (and I sincerely apologize because some are offensive):
"Is that a black name?!" "Mavis is a boring name!" "No one will know how to spell it! You change a few letters and it becomes MASSIVE ROSE. I can't believe that you would put your child in a position to be bullied like you were!" "Sounds dumb and retarded." "Look, the whole point of first names is that people can SPELL and SAY the name...uh, it's pretty important!" "You ASKED for our opinion!...kids are going to bully your child because you are trying to be hipster!"
I was shocked, hurt, and angry. It was the only name we really liked, and now I feel like it's ruined. I said that this is why I haven't been involving them! Also, I'm not sure how a name like Mavis would open a kid to bullying...I mentioned there are way worse names, like Apple (which isn't terrible, just not for me) and my brother kept arguing that people can spell Apple. But of course, he was sharing his opinion because he "loves the baby." He mentioned "Massive Rose" again and I told him that if he EVER calls my child fat, ugly, or otherwise criticizes their appearance or name, he is DONE. I will bring down the hammer on him so damn fast he won't know what hit him!
His response was that you 'have to joke" with my child because kids are mean and they will do it, so he has to prepare them. I said joking does not have to involve the self-esteem and wellbeing of my child, and that is NON-NEGOTIABLE. He kept talking about it, with my mom laughing, and I did childishly respond that I don't like his name either, and that I am leaving.
My mom met me at the door and said, "Did I offend you?"
As I walked out I said, "I will let you know when the baby is here if I remember. Goodbye."
Then I came home and cried. Is it too late to be an orphan? I had been feeling so good about the day...but then reality hit me as to why I keep my distance and mourn in private. I'm so damn mad at myself and disappointed. I'm mad at them, I'm mad I didn't handle it the way I should have, and I'm mad I had hope. Lesson learned...again.
@dmontgo wow... "That's a black name". What the? I'm sorry, but I don't think that's helpful or kind (any of it). I would have said, "What's wrong with a "black name???" Sorry, but that's horrible and I bet you feel like you trusted them and were vulnerable and then they stomped on you! Not that it matters, but Mavis Rose is beautiful and if you love it, they should love it!
@dmontgo I can only begin to imagine your heartbreak after your day. I'm so sorry your hopes were shattered in just an instant. Not that an Internet stranger's opinion matters, but I love the name Mavis. It is so clear how deep your love is for this little one. Hugs. Hope your weekend gets better.
@maamawaabangi I left out a lot of the argument stuff because we argued for at least an hour, but I agree with you. I asked what difference would it make, because I think it is beautiful. Names of all cultures are beautiful...living overseas should have taught them that...and I reminded my brother that his name is also a very popular girl name and he was like, "So?!"
They said that "fine," they "don't care" if we name our daughter Mavis, but it would be my fault for any childhood trauma...he was bully when he was a kid and he knows how bullies think, according to him. All I could squeak out (because I was on the verge of tears) was that no, I won't call her that, because I'm not going to let them talk about her behind her back. But I love the name. I do feel crushed.
@KateH1216 It really means a lot to me that you and @maamawaabangi think Mavis Rose is beautiful. I've been having so many doubts since I got home. I just wanted to include them, and they kicked me in the shins.
People name their kids all sort of "crazy" things... Personally, to me, Mavis sounds intelligent. That's because it's all about personal perception. I have a friend (a self proclaimed hipster) who named her son Stone Wolfer Moon... They call him Wolfie. People gave them heck, but he's 3 now and guess who cares... No one. Cuz the kid is Wolfie and it's adorable.
@maamawaabangi I really appreciate the encouragement. It means a lot to me. I know I'm an Internet stranger, but this board has meant a lot to me, and I feel lucky to get to talk to everyone here.
@dmontgo you can't be an orphan, because I'll adopt you! I am sorry your family are massive twats. Mavis, while not my style, is a wonderful name. She is the main character in both Hotel Transylvania movies.
Children will find something to pick on each other for, whether it be a name- sports skills-stutters, so it is up to you to teach her how to handle that.
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@Kate08Young Thank you for your kind words. I feel foolish. That was the last straw. All of the sadness is now apathy. I no longer have the desire to be around them or even speak to them. I tried. I can at least be proud in that.
I was so taken aback by their comments about Mavis. I have enough sense, I'd like to believe, that I know an ugly name when I see it. But the abuse is always veiled by a thin coat of "concern" and "love." We talk to you this way because we LOVE you!
And you are so right--kids will find anything! My name, Daisy, wasn't immune from it, but that doesn't mean I think it's a bad name. Some kids are jerks no matter what!
P.S. I got Mavis from Hotel Transylvania. I thought it was so pretty and underrated! ^.^
@dmontgo FWIW, I love Mavis Rose. But honestly, what I think doesn't matter. Your baby's name is up to nobody else but you and your DH. Your family is privileged that you tell them anything, and they certainly don't seem to appreciate that. FI's grandparents hated Rhett Wilder at first, and then I shared our inspiration behind the name (Rhett Butler from Gone With the Wind and Laura Ingalls Wilder) and she started to fall in love with it. Now every time she sees us, she tells us how much she loves the name. Now did I really change her mind or is she just being nice? Either way, it doesn't matter. She saw we weren't backing down on it. So don't let their narrow-mindedness affect you; if you do decide on a different name, let it be because you want to and not because they said some truly ignorant things. After baby is here, they'll call him/her whatever you do if they want to be involved at all.
@ashleaf2018 Your encouragement is so appreciated! I think Rhett Wilder is a fantastic name.
One of the hallmarks of abuse is that abusers will make the victim doubt themselves just so the get what they want. Even though I recognize it, in the middle of it happening, it's hard not to feel that self-doubt especially when they gang up on me. But after talking to DH and reading everyone's kind words, I would be doing a disservice to my family for giving in to their ridiculous demands. If we have a girl, I think Mavis Rose is a fine name--DH loves it too. Boy names? Well, that's a bit harder.
What really got me was the accusations that I am not protecting my child and putting her in a position to be bullied willfully. Something about that struck a very primal chord with me. Rage. I didn't scream (although I wanted to), but it was that moment of clarity that told me I don't need these people in my life.
@dmontgo - I love the name Mavis Rose!! Mavis is the name of an awesome, strong, loving female character in a book series I love. Also, my grandmother's name is Avis and it makes me think of her
@jennbaylor12@mamax2 Thank you ladies for putting a smile on my face and building me up! It means the world to me. Healing is not always easy, but it sure helps to have a great group of people to share experiences with. Thank you to everyone that has been following my story.
@dmontgo Their response is so inappropriate! I want to point out all the flaws in their logic, but that's not even the point, they should have kept their opinions to themselves and supporter *your* choice to name *your* child.
I will say that on the bullying topic, DH and I talk a lot about the fact that kids will be mean no matter what, if it's not their name it will be something else. Also, so many kids have "hipster" names now that who knows what will actually stand out. Mavis might be in class with Apple, you know?
Also, I love Mavis Rose. I have an old fashioned name, which I didn't fully appreciate growing up (though I never got bullied for it), but now I love it.
@mysteryship That was hard to walk away from--how ignorant and flawed every argument they had was. I tried to fight it but you can't change people's minds that are like that, so I left utterly exhausted. Not surprisingly, I have received no communication that they are sorry. I wouldn't answer anyway.
And you are so right about the bullying. People are mean for lots of stupid reasons. The fact that my brother immediately came up with a hurtful nickname from Mavis just tells me that he is still a bully, although he denies it. I hadn't even thought about Mavis being a "hipster" name! But I said the same thing you mentioned--other kids will probably have stranger names, and that's ok.
The more I think especially about my brother's arguments, the more I think he had been drinking. He has struggled with being a closet functional alcoholic and with an addiction to pain killers (at the ripe old age of 18) due to the relationship with my father. His arguments made no sense, which I am considering is because he was on something. Still doesn't change my opinion of cutting contact. Not worth the stress.
@dmontgo I share my family with you. I talk to my mom about the names you ladies picked out and she liked Mavis Rose. It's not something she would have used, but it's unique and has a ring to it (her words). Mavis is the name of one of the characters in the In Death series I read, and she is an awesome character. A bit out there and wild, but she doesn't take nothing from no one.
Kids are cruel. They will tease someone based on anything. I wore glasses as a kid, so I was Four Eyes for a while. And my name, Amanda, turned into Amandumb. We just have to build up our children's confidence so when someone tries to break them it only knocks them back for a moment. Then we build them back up to where they were before and help make them stronger.
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So, funny story @dmontgo Last night I had a dream I was at a candle light vigil and black lives matter protest for the shootings and I kept thinking, "If all I do is stop one person from hearing an ignorant person saying 'that's a black name' then I'll have helped." Then as we were singing some song with or candles some black lady turned to me and said, "You know, I never have met at black Mavis Rose." and I was like, "I know, right?"
@phoenix870509 Thank you! I don't expect any name I pick to be everyone's cup of tea, but if my family had said what your mom said, the conversation would have gone so differently. I can handle differences in opinion, but attacking me? Uncalled for. And you are so right about building up our children! A healthy self-esteem starts at home.
@maamawaabangi Lol thank you for sharing! I'm still very disappointed in that comment. I was actually shocked to hear her say that, because before her mental break, she always taught me to treat all people of all backgrounds with kindness and compassion. Solidified for me that she is truly not the same person anymore.
@dmontgo - I'm shocked Mavis was met with that kind of reaction. To me it is a very normal, pretty and kind of vintage name. And truthfully ANY name can be made fun of. I remember in grade school some kids saying to a kid named Michael "Michael, Michael motorcycle. Turn on the key and watch him pee". That is about one of the most popular boys names of all time and could be considered bullying (and it makes no sense at all). That being said, yeah, some names are going to open the door a little more to being made fun of, but I really don't think Mavis is one of those.
@KatieJo1205 I know, right?! I was extremely shocked how quickly the tone of the conversation turned once I said it. At one point my brother said it was akin to naming a child "Beevus." (?????) I still do not understand where he was getting his arguments from. I don't think it's an odd name, or hard to spell, or even hard to say. He's just an ass that was trying to hurt my feelings under the guise of "loving concern."
And thank you! I love my name too. What I think is funny about Mavis being called hipster is that my name was very popular at the same time Mavis was...in the 1940's! Guess that makes my mom a hipster too...hahaha.
@phoenix870509 I love J.D. Robb, and I had forgotten about that Mavis and how awesomely BA she is.
She is BA. I think it's Concealed in Death, but you get a little more background on her and it makes me love her even more. She ran away from an abusive situation, a mom that tried to marry her off at 16 or so. And she made herself who she is. So when I hear the name Mavis I think of a strong, bad-ass lady!
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@phoenix870509 I love J.D. Robb, and I had forgotten about that Mavis and how awesomely BA she is.
She is BA. I think it's Concealed in Death, but you get a little more background on her and it makes me love her even more. She ran away from an abusive situation, a mom that tried to marry her off at 16 or so. And she made herself who she is. So when I hear the name Mavis I think of a strong, bad-ass lady!
That's exactly who I was talking about in my comment earlier in this thread!!!
@phoenix870509 Oh he is so sweet! Thank you for sharing that with me!
I've been talking to DH while he's been away (my family has a tendency to gang up on me when he's not around) and he thinks we should stick with the name if it's a little girl. He thinks it's a beautiful name, and he said he would get a lot of satisfaction from naming her Mavis--a big "EFF YOO" to my family.
I asked some close friends their opinion and they like it too. With the support I've been getting here and from DH, it's pulled me out of my funk and I feel confident that 1.) I am NOT going to be a bad parent and 2.) I know good names when I see them!
Still a lot of work to be done for emotional recovery, but everyday I'm getting better. It's a process, but it's something I can be proud of.
@dmontgo, I'm a little late to the conversation but I'm so sorry your family treats you so awfully. I can't even imagine saying that stuff to ANYONE regarding the name of their baby, let alone their daughter/sister.
I think the inspiration behind Mavis Rose is so awesome, and you should definitely stick with the name. Instilling a bit of badassery into your little girl already makes you a great mom in my book!
@Lisa3379 Thank you for your support! They are hurtful people, and I wish that they were the family that know I've been missing. I've gone to a lot of therapy to navigate my feelings and work on bad habits I've picked up from them (used to have a very bad temper), and have made a lot of progress in becoming better and in how I react to them. I no longer have a terrible temper, and while I will likely always have scars from their treatment of me, I feel a lot of peace in knowing that I am breaking the abuse cycle with my children because I cared enough to try. I won't be perfect, but at least my children won't be terrified of me or feel inadequate.
We're moving across the country next year, and I can't wait for new beginnings with our little family.
@dmontgo I second what lots of other ladies have said, Mavis sounds very vintage and classic to me. I don't understand your family's reaction. Sounds like they just love being over the top and making you second guess yourself. I hope they realize how jerkish they were and apologize.
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@em01092 I appreciate it. They will never apologize because they are never wrong! They just like to make me feel bad because it makes them feel better about themselves. It's their loss in the end!
My dear sweet MIL is fortunately beginning to cool her jets with the Zika kick. However, that has been replaced with her fear of me handling our chickens. I promise Grandma, I do know what I'm doing! Bless her heart.
I'm super close with my parents (and thankfully my in laws too!). We live within 15 minutes of both of them, but last weekend I didn't feel up to socializing. I was super tired and had an upset stomach all day on Sunday. Literally rotated from the bed to couch to the bathroom all day. When my mom tried to guilt me about not calling to do something I made the mistake of saying I just wasn't feeling well and needed to relax. I know she's my mom and will always worry, but JFC I'm 36 years old. I know when I just need a break. If it had been anything serious I would have called the doctor!
@dmontgo I understand about families saying hurtful things about the baby's name. Granted, my in laws didn't say as hurtful things as your family did, but what they said still bothered me, especially without knowing why we were considering the name. We were leaning toward Luna or Iris. My future FIL said Luna was a cow's name, and my fiancé's siblings said we must want to have our kid picked on if we were considering Iris. Now, Luna was the first name my fiancé suggested that I liked. He was constantly suggesting the most popular names, Emma, Sophia, Olivia, and I wanted a name for her that wouldn't be the same as half her class. Plus, my due date is also the date of a full moon. And Iris because it is the goddess of rainbows. Just beautiful.
Now we just can't even talk about names. Every one we have mentioned, his family has found a problem with. I'm beginning to think we should just not tell anyone.
As for your name choice...I like Mavis. Like you, I like older, vintage names that are not the most popular. I think Mavis is pretty. Someone here mentioned it reminded them of a southern belle. That was my first thought too.
@caffeinenut I get where you're coming from, FI's family has been really unsupportive on every aspect of this pregnancy. As much as we want to share things with them, we can't. It sucks that they acted like that over your name choices, but it's good to know now that you can't talk about it with them. Hopefully they'll take a cue from this and be supportive on the other parts of your pregnancy.
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I drove my mom back home and went inside because I had to pee. We were talking for a little bit, and my brother came home. At first things were fine, but then he asked what names we are thinking. I said we only have one name we like, but nothing concrete. I said that I didn't want to share because I wasn't interested in hearing opinions. My brother and mom kept bugging and pestering, and I thought about how I did want to include my mom more, so I said a name we are considering for a girl: Mavis Rose.
The responses were as follows (and I sincerely apologize because some are offensive):
"Is that a black name?!"
"Mavis is a boring name!"
"No one will know how to spell it! You change a few letters and it becomes MASSIVE ROSE. I can't believe that you would put your child in a position to be bullied like you were!"
"Sounds dumb and retarded."
"Look, the whole point of first names is that people can SPELL and SAY the name...uh, it's pretty important!"
"You ASKED for our opinion!...kids are going to bully your child because you are trying to be hipster!"
I was shocked, hurt, and angry. It was the only name we really liked, and now I feel like it's ruined. I said that this is why I haven't been involving them! Also, I'm not sure how a name like Mavis would open a kid to bullying...I mentioned there are way worse names, like Apple (which isn't terrible, just not for me) and my brother kept arguing that people can spell Apple. But of course, he was sharing his opinion because he "loves the baby." He mentioned "Massive Rose" again and I told him that if he EVER calls my child fat, ugly, or otherwise criticizes their appearance or name, he is DONE. I will bring down the hammer on him so damn fast he won't know what hit him!
His response was that you 'have to joke" with my child because kids are mean and they will do it, so he has to prepare them. I said joking does not have to involve the self-esteem and wellbeing of my child, and that is NON-NEGOTIABLE. He kept talking about it, with my mom laughing, and I did childishly respond that I don't like his name either, and that I am leaving.
My mom met me at the door and said, "Did I offend you?"
As I walked out I said, "I will let you know when the baby is here if I remember. Goodbye."
Then I came home and cried. Is it too late to be an orphan? I had been feeling so good about the day...but then reality hit me as to why I keep my distance and mourn in private. I'm so damn mad at myself and disappointed. I'm mad at them, I'm mad I didn't handle it the way I should have, and I'm mad I had hope. Lesson learned...again.
wow... "That's a black name". What the? I'm sorry, but I don't think that's helpful or kind (any of it). I would have said, "What's wrong with a "black name???" Sorry, but that's horrible and I bet you feel like you trusted them and were vulnerable and then they stomped on you!
Not that it matters, but Mavis Rose is beautiful and if you love it, they should love it!
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They said that "fine," they "don't care" if we name our daughter Mavis, but it would be my fault for any childhood trauma...he was bully when he was a kid and he knows how bullies think, according to him. All I could squeak out (because I was on the verge of tears) was that no, I won't call her that, because I'm not going to let them talk about her behind her back. But I love the name. I do feel crushed.
I hate my family. There, I said it.
Personally, to me, Mavis sounds intelligent. That's because it's all about personal perception.
I have a friend (a self proclaimed hipster) who named her son Stone Wolfer Moon... They call him Wolfie. People gave them heck, but he's 3 now and guess who cares... No one. Cuz the kid is Wolfie and it's adorable.
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I was so taken aback by their comments about Mavis. I have enough sense, I'd like to believe, that I know an ugly name when I see it. But the abuse is always veiled by a thin coat of "concern" and "love." We talk to you this way because we LOVE you!
And you are so right--kids will find anything! My name, Daisy, wasn't immune from it, but that doesn't mean I think it's a bad name. Some kids are jerks no matter what!
P.S. I got Mavis from Hotel Transylvania. I thought it was so pretty and underrated! ^.^
One of the hallmarks of abuse is that abusers will make the victim doubt themselves just so the get what they want. Even though I recognize it, in the middle of it happening, it's hard not to feel that self-doubt especially when they gang up on me. But after talking to DH and reading everyone's kind words, I would be doing a disservice to my family for giving in to their ridiculous demands. If we have a girl, I think Mavis Rose is a fine name--DH loves it too. Boy names? Well, that's a bit harder.
What really got me was the accusations that I am not protecting my child and putting her in a position to be bullied willfully. Something about that struck a very primal chord with me. Rage. I didn't scream (although I wanted to), but it was that moment of clarity that told me I don't need these people in my life.
I will say that on the bullying topic, DH and I talk a lot about the fact that kids will be mean no matter what, if it's not their name it will be something else. Also, so many kids have "hipster" names now that who knows what will actually stand out. Mavis might be in class with Apple, you know?
Also, I love Mavis Rose. I have an old fashioned name, which I didn't fully appreciate growing up (though I never got bullied for it), but now I love it.
And you are so right about the bullying. People are mean for lots of stupid reasons. The fact that my brother immediately came up with a hurtful nickname from Mavis just tells me that he is still a bully, although he denies it. I hadn't even thought about Mavis being a "hipster" name! But I said the same thing you mentioned--other kids will probably have stranger names, and that's ok.
The more I think especially about my brother's arguments, the more I think he had been drinking. He has struggled with being a closet functional alcoholic and with an addiction to pain killers (at the ripe old age of 18) due to the relationship with my father. His arguments made no sense, which I am considering is because he was on something. Still doesn't change my opinion of cutting contact. Not worth the stress.
Kids are cruel. They will tease someone based on anything. I wore glasses as a kid, so I was Four Eyes for a while. And my name, Amanda, turned into Amandumb. We just have to build up our children's confidence so when someone tries to break them it only knocks them back for a moment. Then we build them back up to where they were before and help make them stronger.
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Last night I had a dream I was at a candle light vigil and black lives matter protest for the shootings and I kept thinking, "If all I do is stop one person from hearing an ignorant person saying 'that's a black name' then I'll have helped." Then as we were singing some song with or candles some black lady turned to me and said, "You know, I never have met at black Mavis Rose." and I was like, "I know, right?"
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@maamawaabangi Lol thank you for sharing! I'm still very disappointed in that comment. I was actually shocked to hear her say that, because before her mental break, she always taught me to treat all people of all backgrounds with kindness and compassion. Solidified for me that she is truly not the same person anymore.
BTW - I absolutely love the name Daisy too!
And thank you! I love my name too. What I think is funny about Mavis being called hipster is that my name was very popular at the same time Mavis was...in the 1940's! Guess that makes my mom a hipster too...hahaha.
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I've been talking to DH while he's been away (my family has a tendency to gang up on me when he's not around) and he thinks we should stick with the name if it's a little girl. He thinks it's a beautiful name, and he said he would get a lot of satisfaction from naming her Mavis--a big "EFF YOO" to my family.
I asked some close friends their opinion and they like it too. With the support I've been getting here and from DH, it's pulled me out of my funk and I feel confident that 1.) I am NOT going to be a bad parent and 2.) I know good names when I see them!
Still a lot of work to be done for emotional recovery, but everyday I'm getting better. It's a process, but it's something I can be proud of.
I think the inspiration behind Mavis Rose is so awesome, and you should definitely stick with the name. Instilling a bit of badassery into your little girl already makes you a great mom in my book!
We're moving across the country next year, and I can't wait for new beginnings with our little family.
Thank you again for your kind words.
@dmontgo I understand about families saying hurtful things about the baby's name. Granted, my in laws didn't say as hurtful things as your family did, but what they said still bothered me, especially without knowing why we were considering the name. We were leaning toward Luna or Iris. My future FIL said Luna was a cow's name, and my fiancé's siblings said we must want to have our kid picked on if we were considering Iris. Now, Luna was the first name my fiancé suggested that I liked. He was constantly suggesting the most popular names, Emma, Sophia, Olivia, and I wanted a name for her that wouldn't be the same as half her class. Plus, my due date is also the date of a full moon. And Iris because it is the goddess of rainbows. Just beautiful.
Now we just can't even talk about names. Every one we have mentioned, his family has found a problem with. I'm beginning to think we should just not tell anyone.
As for your name choice...I like Mavis. Like you, I like older, vintage names that are not the most popular. I think Mavis is pretty. Someone here mentioned it reminded them of a southern belle. That was my first thought too.