daycare broke DS's leg!!!- WTF!

lisaroo · January 2009

Ditto McLovin....I appreciate you trying to play Devil's Advocate and all, but no...if someone who was paid to care for and supervise my 3 month old, who can't even crawl yet, and one of the hardest bones in the body to break was broken, yeah. Hell.To.Pay. A child can dislocate things by twisting the wrong way, but not break their femur.

And even if that was the case...thye need to own up to it, not shrug and play dumb.

MommaBrown · January 2009

lisaroo:
Ditto McLovin....I appreciate you trying to play Devil's Advocate and all, but no...if someone who was paid to care for and supervise my 3 month old, who can't even crawl yet, and one of the hardest bones in the body to break was broken, yeah. Hell.To.Pay. A child can dislocate things by twisting the wrong way, but not break their femur.
And even if that was the case...thye need to own up to it, not shrug and play dumb.

you may have missed my response to McLovin above, but it is entirely possible. All that being said, i dont debate AT ALL that somebody should be responsible for it. Especially if it is found they are just playing dumb and covering it up to save their asses.

Mrs.McLovin · January 2009

MommaBrown:
Mrs.McLovin:

Some pulled on this child mighty hard if it was as simple as getting him out of the carseat/jumperoo. Breaking a leg bone in a child isn't easy. Someone should be held responsible!

thats not true at all.

"Femur fractures are not uncommon injuries in children. Fortunately, most femur fractures heal well, even with nonsurgical treatments. The amount of displacement (separation of the bone ends) that can be accepted depends on the child's age, with even widely displaced fractures healing in young children. Therefore, determining treatment of femur fractures should be distinguished by the age of the child:"

"Due to the rapidly growing bone in young children, the bone ends do not need to be perfectly aligned. The bone will remodel over time to the point where it may not even be evident the bone had been injured. Most infants and toddlers will require spica casting for about 4 to 6 weeks to allow for adequate bone healing."

https://orthopedics.about.com/od/pediatricfractures/qt/femur.htm

That doesn't refer to infant who aren't mobile yet! Femur fractures can happen in toddlers who like to jump off couches/playground equipment! A fracture in a nonmobile infant is abuse until proven otherwise.

MommaBrown · January 2009

Mrs.McLovin:
?That doesn't refer to infant who aren't mobile yet! Femur fractures can happen in toddlers who like to jump off couches/playground equipment! A fracture in a nonmobile infant is abuse until proven otherwise.

can you not read or did you just not read the entire post? the second paragraph has the word INFANT in it.

if you are going to debate please do it with some level of intelligence. thanks.?

smfinallymg · January 2009

Please read this article. A broken femur can happen simply by swiveling in an exersaucer or jumperoo.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/108/4/1009

Mrs.McLovin · January 2009

MommaBrown:
Mrs.McLovin:

That doesn't refer to infant who aren't mobile yet! Femur fractures can happen in toddlers who like to jump off couches/playground equipment! A fracture in a nonmobile infant is abuse until proven otherwise.

can you not read or did you just not read the entire post? the second paragraph has the word INFANT in it.

if you are going to debate please do it with some level of intelligence. thanks.

If you read your reference, the second paragraph talks about healing time for infants and children. The first paragraph discuses how this is not an uncommon injury in children. I did read and this was your citation! My level of intelligence is just fine. Read your own citation before being rude to another poster.

lisaroo · January 2009

I think that rather than get into an argument over details, we can all agree that this situation is horrifying, we all feel awful for the OP, and that regardless, the daycare needs to be investigated.

ErinnMike · January 2009

No flame for the question at all! My DH and I thought the same thing. We replayed everything from the night before through the morning of, trying to think if there was anyway we could have done it and then it wasn't noticed until daycare. He was comepletey fine and normal. Our car seat doesn't have straps that go around his legs, so it couldn't have been that.

We asked the doctor the same thing. Could it have been a delayed reaction of some sort to something we did and she said absolutley not. That whoever did it, would know the moment it happend because he would have screamed out in terrible pain. It couldn't have been broken and then he wouldn't have "told" anyone until later.... our theory is that the girl was trying to change him and forced his leg back into his pants....thats only thing that we can come up with. The doctor said she's only seen this typ of break in this location on an infant this young and it was due to a changing accident.

It just sucks. We're new parents and queston everything we do anyway and now to add this to it, its just sucks.

MommaBrown · January 2009

so child cannot = infant? when you fill out paperwork and it asks for the number of children you have, do you say zero because you have an infant and not a child?

smfinallymg · January 2009

lisaroo:
I think that rather than get into an argument over details, we can all agree that this situation is horrifying, we all feel awful for the OP, and that regardless, the daycare needs to be investigated.

I couldn't agree more with you but people are so quick to jump to the most horrendous situation. Yes, the daycare needs to be investigated but other factors should be looked at too.

Mrs.McLovin · January 2009

Child and infant are different when talking about breaking a femur. Yes, i say I have one child when I fill out paperwork.

I was reading that article and it is interesting. Sounds pretty rare.

smfinallymg · January 2009

ErinnMike:
No flame for the question at all! My DH and I thought the same thing. We replayed everything from the night before through the morning of, trying to think if there was anyway we could have done it and then it wasn't noticed until daycare. He was comepletey fine and normal. Our car seat doesn't have straps that go around his legs, so it couldn't have been that.

We asked the doctor the same thing. Could it have been a delayed reaction of some sort to something we did and she said absolutley not. That whoever did it, would know the moment it happend because he would have screamed out in terrible pain. It couldn't have been broken and then he wouldn't have "told" anyone until later.... our theory is that the girl was trying to change him and forced his leg back into his pants....thats only thing that we can come up with. The doctor said she's only seen this typ of break in this location on an infant this young and it was due to a changing accident.

It just sucks. We're new parents and queston everything we do anyway and now to add this to it, its just sucks.

Thank you for understanding what we were getting at. I really hope it was an accident and that who ever did it fesses up. I hope your ds heals quickly!

smfinallymg · January 2009

Mrs.McLovin:
Child and infant are different when talking about breaking a femur. Yes, i say I have one child when I fill out paperwork.

I was reading that article and it is interesting. Sounds pretty rare.

Rare but it can happen. It could also go unreported as that being the cause of the fracture. I'm not trying to start an argument. Just looking at all the possibilities.

MommaBrown · January 2009

erin, i'm glad you didnt take offense and can see the possibility.

i am very sorry that you are faced with this. i dont envy your position at all. it would be so hard to trust any DCP going forward. i wanted to present the scenario because i think people are so quick to assume the worst. i know these days its hard to trust anyone. people are so shady and lie so much. but there are good people out there and great DCPs. i hope you find one that you feel comfortable with.

MommaBrown · January 2009

Mrs.McLovin:
Child and infant are different when talking about breaking a femur. Yes, i say I have one child when I fill out paperwork.
I was reading that article and it is interesting. Sounds pretty rare.

then that means it's POSSIBLE. which is what i was saying in the first place.?

WhiteOrchid. · January 2009

I'm so sorry! I would never be able to take my baby back to daycare, even if the daycare did have an explanation. I pulled DD #1 from daycare at 18 months old after she came home with a scratch and bruise on her forehead. She had just been moved up to a new room and the new teachers were showing signs of disliking her because she wouldn't nap as long as they wanted her to. The teacher tried to blame the bruise and scratch on DD rubbing her head on a soft mat! My mommy instincts went into high gear and I talked with the director as soon as I walked out of DD's room. It is so hard to trust anyone to watch you children. I hope you can get to the bottom of this and find some peace.

Mrs.McLovin · January 2009

FFS. Your reference said ""Femur fractures are not uncommon injuries in children. "

But they are uncommon injuries in infants.

The article talked about 2 cases in which the fractures were related to exasaucers. This is rare. The article acknowledges this. You seemed to making the point that this fracture was not uncommon, but it is!

Ash123 · January 2009

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. Please PLEASE keep us posted on what you find out. I hope your little guy feels better very soon.

MommaBrown · January 2009

Mrs.McLovin:
FFS. Your reference said ""Femur fractures are not uncommon injuries in children. "
But they are uncommon injuries in infants.
The article talked about 2 cases in which the fractures were related to exasaucers. This is rare. The article acknowledges this. You seemed to making the point that this fracture was not uncommon, but it is!

FFS yourself. where did i ever say it was common?

ok, i've realized that you read what you want to and not the words that are actually written. never once did i say it was common. I said it was possible. POSSIBLE which means rare or not there is the potential for an occurence.?

edit: and to your point on the use of the word children. i think its pretty clear that the use of the word children in the first paragraph of the article is used in the broad definition. it would be unnecessary to say infants and children as infants fall under the scope of children.

?

DinkinFlicka · January 2009

I'm so sorry to hear about this! I hope you're able to get to the bottom of it, and that your LO has a speedy recovery! And yes, please keep us updated!

smiling76 · January 2009

OMG. I just want to cry for you and your little one.

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