December 2016 Moms

Breastmilk or Formula?

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  • Thanks for all the great advice, I am reading a couple of articles on comfort nursing now, one mentions it's really hard to tease apart a baby's need for food and need for comfort, and either reason is equally valid for BF. @zubenescamali mentioned it builds trust, and @uromys has a point, you do it as you see fit which can vary from person to person. I'm already so much more comfortable with the idea of comfort nursing after discussing here, thanks ladies :) Going to do some more reading up on this.

    https://www.todaysparent.com/baby/breastfeeding/nursing-for-comfort/

    I'm glad you've done a little research.  Honestly, an 11-month old is still a baby and I feel like you are kind of judging your SIL for her parenting (and her breastfeeding for a normal amount of time.) I hope you keep doing reading and understand that breastfeeding a toddler or older baby isn't just for the milk, it is also comfort and I'm not sure why that seems "wrong" to you.  And regarding the father, babies often prefer their mothers even when they are not breastfeeding so I wouldn't make any decisions based on that.  Also, my second son often prefers my husband over me and I breastfed him until 16 months when he self-weaned.  Daddies can bond in every single other way.  Not being able to feed the baby (except the occasional bottle) had zero effect on my babies' connection with their dad.  My DH rocks them to sleep, changes diapers, reads stories, feeds them solid foods has other cute rituals, etc.

    I second the PP who recommended kellymom.com, which has awesome articles.

    If you think breastfeeding at 11 months is extreme, you really need to do more research! :) that is way within the range of normal.  Babies don't suddenly lose the need for breast milk or comfort when they learn to say "milk". Or even when they learn to walk. I would highly recommend you attend a breast feeding class at your hospital and maybe join a Facebook group like Breastfeeding Mama talk since it sounds like your family would be unsupportive. 


    I think this is where the topic gets heated, and this is the part I'm still not sure how I feel about (as I will be a FTM).

    All I have to compare is my sister's 1 year old (FF) and my sister in-law's 11 month old (BF). The BF 11 month old wants to BF when she's cranky/tired, not just when she's hungry. I haven't wrapped my mind around the concept of this yet, as it seems counter productive since the BM is supposed to be for nourishment. This also means DH can't soothe her when she's cranky/tired/wants boob. She also needed the boob to fall asleep for the first few months which was a total nightmare for them, as they were sleep deprived way longer than FF baby.

    I don't know how it would make me feel to think my DH can't help with that kind of need... and then at what point do you say no if the need for BF is no longer about nourishment if they are on solids/water.

    Maybe I could use a class or a seminar or something, as my questions are mostly philosophical and to do with how baby will turn out emotionally, not physically...

    I love that nursing provides such comfort to the babies.  Once you get past 1-2 months, I think it's really easy actually and such a short-cut to getting your kid to calm down.  I hated weaning because it eliminated one sure fire way to make my kid feel better.  Also, my DH never had any problem with me breastfeeding.  He can help with other needs.  I'm not sure why I wouldn't give my kid something just because my husband couldn't do it too?
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    I BFed my son until he was about 13 or 14 months old (from the breast at home, pumping when I had to go back to work at 12 weeks) when he self-weaned.  I kind of missed it when it was over, even though I had to use a nipple shield, which I hated, because he refused to latch any other way.  Now I kind of miss it because it was a surefire way to get him to sleep, and I'm dealing with a threenager who takes three hours to fall asleep and he's cranky every morning when it's time for him to go to daycare!
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  • TheBorg7of9 said:
     Honestly, an 11-month old is still a baby and I feel like you are kind of judging your SIL for her parenting (and her breastfeeding for a normal amount of time.) I hope you keep doing reading and understand that breastfeeding a toddler or older baby isn't just for the milk, it is also comfort and I'm not sure why that seems "wrong" to you.  
    All I said was the SIL got less sleep... and you put the word "wrong" in quotations as if I used that word, which I didn't.... Please don't insinuate, it's really counter productive to this conversation, as I know I'm not the first person to wonder what breastfeeding is really all about as someone who's having their first child.

    Again thanks to everyone else for helping me understand a world I know nothing about without criticizing.
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  • I'm late to this party, but in case it helps, here's my two cents! I breastfed DD until she was 13 months. She was supplemented with formula from the beginning. I found BFing stressful because I felt like that's all I ever did!

    So I nursed DD all day and through the night for wake ups, but DH would give her a bedtime bottle of formula. That was our routine and it was perfect for us. She would also get formula during times when she was away from us for a couple hours. Since we used formula I didn't pump at all. 

    I found it best to set small goals. Looking at your newborn and thinking "I'm going to feed this little monster with only my boobs for the next year!!" is really overwhelming. For me, saying "let's make it to 6 weeks," and then 2 months, so on was much more manageable! In the end, you have to do what's easiest and the healthiest for your baby and your sanity. 

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  • Yes! I loved kellymom.com. It helped me tremendously. And I agree with taking a breastfeeding class if you can. My friend is an OB and has mentioned how sad it is the lack of breastfeeding troubleshooting they are taught in school. When I was at the hospital even the lactation consultant gave me some bad advice. If it wasn't for all the reading I had done (specifically on kellymom) I may not have been as successful as I had been. It's definitely not easy for everyone and you will never be 100% prepared, but knowing things about pumping, supplementing, and introducing pacifiers before the baby is here will help you when the time comes. 
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  • Feed the baby. I don't care how a woman feeds, just feed.

    Personally, I breastfeed. My first until she was 10mo and got frozen in a sippy until a year. My second is 1, today <3, and is still nursing. Her personality is completely opposite as my oldest and still she needs to nurse. My oldest is a foodie so I didn't worry about her getting enough nutrition when she stopped nursing. My second is absolutely not a foodie and seems to dislike feeling full... She's like my husband. 

    I have celiac and DH has Crohns so I couldn't find a formula that I was happy with giving to my kids. That fueled my fire to keep breastfeeding no matter the pain and during pregnancy with the next sibling. Both my mother and mil formula fed and I think the soy based formula set us up for the issues we all have. (All as in, me and my 2 siblings with celiac, and my husband and his 2 siblings with Crohns.) I have to add that I would love to be a lactation consultant and might start the schooling in the next few years. 
  • Im with Shoeflypie, there is no right or wrong way as long as your baby is eating and you are able to focus on taking care of them.  

    I breast feed because I'm lazy and cheap and I hate pumping:) My LO is 13 months now and I only BF him in evenings. If he doesn't self ween by 16 months I'll actively cut back but loads of babies do it naturally. 

    I know a couple moms that went through depression and severe mental/physical stress from the guilt of not being able to BF their babies.  Both of them say  they wished they had switched to formula earlier instead of continuing the impossible feeding/pumping/formula supplementation schedule they were on. After they went to formula they were able to relax and enjoy motherhood much more.  Plus their babies sleep through the night earlier! 

    So I would encourage you stay flexible, a lot can change once baby gets here. And don't put too much pressure on yourself, whatever decision you make will be the right one for your family:) 

  • I second the idea of a class! I was all set to BF my DD but felt sooo unprepared (through not fault of anyone but myself. I couldn't attend any classes at the hospital due to my late shift at work and I didn't read any books so I felt like I couldn't do it). I literally chickened out and made my final decision to FF like at the hospital. I am all about the Fed is best but if you do want to try, go to a class to get all the info! I definitely plan on it this time
  • TheBorg7of9 said:
     Honestly, an 11-month old is still a baby and I feel like you are kind of judging your SIL for her parenting (and her breastfeeding for a normal amount of time.) I hope you keep doing reading and understand that breastfeeding a toddler or older baby isn't just for the milk, it is also comfort and I'm not sure why that seems "wrong" to you.  
    All I said was the SIL got less sleep... and you put the word "wrong" in quotations as if I used that word, which I didn't.... Please don't insinuate, it's really counter productive to this conversation, as I know I'm not the first person to wonder what breastfeeding is really all about as someone who's having their first child.

    Again thanks to everyone else for helping me understand a world I know nothing about without criticizing.
    No, you said: "who is breastfeeding her 11 month old and in my mind, it's too old if they can ask for it. She is very proud to breastfeed as a source of comfort, but I feel like that's crossing a line of dependency, especially if DH can't provide..."

    so. Yes. I believe these statements are expressing an opinion that you shouldn't breastfeed an 11-month old and shouldn't breastfeed for comfort. Sorry I used the word "wrong" when you only implied it and didn't explicitly say it. 
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  • Honestly... I'm a FTM, I may be expressing an unpopular opinion, but I feel like it's a lot of pressure to know I'm my baby's sole source of food and feeding time comfort. I work full time, I can't see not going back to work, and DH works from home exclusively so he will be a SAHD. That's been decided in our household. I love the idea of exclusively breastfeeding to bond with the LO, but I also see major anxiety, depression, and panic setting in if I exclusively BF for the time I can get off work and then have to transition to pumping and bottle feeding when I return to the office. I'm sure there is no right answer, and we'll just have to work it out when the time comes, but some combination of BF and pumping/bottle feeding breast milk will most likely be my go-to. Unless I don't make enough milk, in which case, we will supplement with formula (and I refuse to feel guilty). 
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  • WOW this is not nearly as straight forward as I had imagined! Sounds like no one has had the same experience, I think there are too many variables. I guess it really is a trial and error kind of process that requires an open mind.

    @JUliesmiles I feel the same as you did, and TBH the thing motivating me is definitely the $avings,  but I am really looking forward to the connection you discovered a little ways in (if all goes well).

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  • I'm hoping to bf and pump. I attempted to pump last go round with DD, but had some supply issues. I'm hoping that with me going in this time a little more prepared, a better pump, and more support, that I will have more success! 
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    Zygodactyl- If you do pump (especially several times a day) my advice is to buy the hands free bra. It's little pricey but it totally pays for itself if your pumping at work. 
  • Also - we had a ton of milk drama and bottle drama and then formula drama - essentially I have extra digestive enzyme i my milk=it goes bad when I store it for more than 2 days (even frozen). W
    I just wanted to say that I have this too and figured out through research online that if you scald your milk it inactivates the enzyme that makes the milk taste soapy or rancid. It does reduce some of the nutrients, but wasn't an issue for us because DS nursed while with me. If your son/daughter was only taking treated milk, that might not be the best option. https://kellymom.com/bf/pumpingmoms/milkstorage/lipase-expressedmilk/

    I wanted to share a little of my story. I was terrified and weirded out by breastfeeding during pregnancy, but knew that it saved a lot of money and was great for the baby. After having DS, I fell in love with breastfeeding and am still nursing my 16 mo with no plans on stopping. I hope to continue nursing until baby #2 arrives and DS is 2 yo. There are lots of resources out there, so if you are interested in breastfeeding, find help. It can be hard at first, but such a cool thing! I love my nursing relationship with my DS.

    Fed is best at the end of the day - whatever that looks like for you and your family! :)


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  • Just to add in- I think the whole "how is SO/DH/ETC going to help comfort/feed/care for baby if I BF" is all what you make of it... I nursed for 14 months and can tell you that DH got plenty of time doing his share of parenting/comforting/feeding. You have to work at it, be mindful of it, and talk to that person about their hope is. DH wanted to help with night feedings, so 1x a night he would bottle feed pumped BM while I pumped so he could bond with DS at night. We also tried to make it a point that DH would comfort baby first during points of the day outside of feeding times. I believe the more involved you make them in the BFing process the less you have to worry about being the sole provider/comforter. 
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  • Gizmo1231 said:
    Just to add in- I think the whole "how is SO/DH/ETC going to help comfort/feed/care for baby if I BF" is all what you make of it... I nursed for 14 months and can tell you that DH got plenty of time doing his share of parenting/comforting/feeding. You have to work at it, be mindful of it, and talk to that person about their hope is. DH wanted to help with night feedings, so 1x a night he would bottle feed pumped BM while I pumped so he could bond with DS at night. We also tried to make it a point that DH would comfort baby first during points of the day outside of feeding times. I believe the more involved you make them in the BFing process the less you have to worry about being the sole provider/comforter. 
    This. I had to make dh a part of the bfing process. Hand the kid over after you're done nursing so dh can burp while you put yourself back together. Have him get you burp cloths and help clean up spit up. He can hand you a boppy and then get a you a snack while nursing (drink all the water when nursing!) He can do bath time with the baby and do the rest of the getting ready for bed stuff until you need to come in and nurse. This will allow you to get things done around the house while they bond. There are a thousand ways dad can be more involved other than feeding. Mine did, and still does, most diaper changes. You will feel like a cow at one point because all you're doing is producing milk and feeding the baby, but you'll eventually get into a routine and it will be so natural you won't even think about it. I won't lie, it's super stressful at first, but once your milk regulates and you figure out baby's schedule, it's so much easier.
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  • I am definitely pro breastfeeding and will be breastfeeding my next child.  Between my three kids, I've spent a decade nursing.  My oldest nursed for 3 1/2 years, and my second and third child nursed for a little over 3 years each.  
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  • Gizmo1231 said:
    Just to add in- I think the whole "how is SO/DH/ETC going to help comfort/feed/care for baby if I BF" is all what you make of it... I nursed for 14 months and can tell you that DH got plenty of time doing his share of parenting/comforting/feeding. You have to work at it, be mindful of it, and talk to that person about their hope is. DH wanted to help with night feedings, so 1x a night he would bottle feed pumped BM while I pumped so he could bond with DS at night. We also tried to make it a point that DH would comfort baby first during points of the day outside of feeding times. I believe the more involved you make them in the BFing process the less you have to worry about being the sole provider/comforter. 
    I completely agree with this! DH had a hard time at first finding his "part" in our new routine, but he was so helpful in taking care of me at first - the thirst and hunger are crazy! He also helped with bathtime, diaper changes, burping, swaddling, etc. As DS got older, they developed their own special bond. I am definitely more for comfort, the go to when he is sick or tired or just wanting snuggles, but he LOVES playing with his dad. DH can make him laugh in ways that I never can.

    I honestly hate pumping and would much rather BF than get connected to a machine for 20 minutes to pump in the middle of the night so DH could give a bottle.

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  • @blessdtxas Lord I hated pumping. I just stopped pumping at work. The setting up, the pumping, the tearing down and cleaning everything takes for freaking ever. It's so much faster just to whip it out and put it in baby's mouth when you're up at 3, 345, 430 and cluster feeding takes up your life.
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  • edited April 2016
     
    DH can make him laugh in ways that I never can.


    I see this with both nieces regardless of FF or BF!! Seems dads are more funny than moms... *sigh*
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    DH can make him laugh in ways that I never can.


    I see this with both nieces regardless of FF or BF!! Seems dads are more funny than moms... *sigh*
    Its that way at my house! H can always make him laugh, even before we switched to F full time. But I still get all the sick time snuggles.


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    DH can make him laugh in ways that I never can.


    I see this with both nieces regardless of FF or BF!! Seems dads are more funny than moms... *sigh*
    Yea, I don't think it has anything to do with BF or FF! :) My friend warned me in advance that dad will be the fun one! that's not to say DS and I don't have fun or laugh...its just different with dad& that's ok! I love that they have their special thing :) 

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  • My pediatrician recommends breast feeding for a full 12months, if you can, that is. So that's what I did with my first and there was no attachment issues or struggle to ween. DH has an amazing relationship with our first. I don't think they ever had any trouble bonding because of breast feeding. Breast feeding was what was best for our family and I think everyone has to do what is best for thier own families, wether that is formula or breast. We put so much stress on what is right or wrong and the truth is what is right for you isn't always what is right for the person next to you. 
  • I breastfed all 3 of my children until they were 2 years old and plan on doing the same for this one. It's not 'weird' at this stage. They are still little. At this age, it's really only before nap and bed time. It's great for them and you get some extra bonding time! 
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  • I had 7 kids never breastfed .This one I won't either 
  • Breastfeed all the way for me. Also, there's nothing inappropriate about a one year old breastfeeding, but all children are different and all circumstances are different. I'm also not stressing about what's to come, I will make it work when the time comes. :)
  • When I was pregnant with my first, I was all kinds of judgey. I couldn't wrap my mind around just planning on not breastfeeding. After EPing for both my girls, I can tell you that if this baby doesn't get it together and latch well/eat well, I'm switching to formula. It's all or nothing baby. I cannot pump again. Especially since I have 2 already. It is too time consuming. I love formula! Thank God for formula, because I was able to quit pumping at 6 months with my first. 

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  • I BF my son for 4 months, I was working and it was very difficult to pump at work. I was at a job where as soon as I would start to pump someone would need me and I would have to stop. Or it was way too busy to stop to pump. When my son was 18 months I became a SAHM. With my daughter since I was home I EBF for 17 months. She never took a bottle. My family thought it was very weird that I would still be BF after 12 months, even though it is very normal (they just didn't see it that way). I plan on nursing this baby at least a year.

    I am curious though, some ladies mentioned dairy allergies. I do not eat a lot of dairy, but my daughter has a pretty sever milk allergy. I never cut dairy out of my diet when nursing, but she has to be on soy milk now. Just wondering if there is a link between BF and dairy allergies

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