November 2015 Moms

4 month sleep regression- let the games begin!

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Re: 4 month sleep regression- let the games begin!

  • LO is 14 weeks and still up multiple times at night (bed 8ish up at 12, 3,5,6 up for the day) just checking to see if I'm alone or if any other mommy's are with me?! Working on this little sleep is tough, and yup he gets up and eats!  BF at night but does get some formula at daycare bc I dont produce enough. Oh, and he only takes 3 30 min naps during the day! 
    Same here. In fact my LO doesn't always last the 8-12 block either :(  Last night was 11:30,1:30,4:30,5:30,7... Waiting patiently for this to get better.
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  • DD is almost 14 weeks and for the past week or so has been getting up multiple times after previously STTN (or only getting up once).  She goes to bed around 9 and has been getting up around 1, 4 and 6.  She used to go 10/11 - 6.  Honestly it doesn't really bother me as so much is going on in her life and at this age in general.  Growth spurts happen around this age, she just started daycare and might want extra snuggles/comfort and possible sleep regression.  Honestly I'm still pretty lucky and satisfied with the sleep she gives us.  DS was up every 2 hours for the first few months of life so DD is a walk in the park.  This too shall pass ladies!
  • Mr was sleeping a good 8 hours a night... Until tonight! I knew I was so lucky with his sleeping and I tried to enjoy it but I sort of knew this was coming at some point. Big waaaah. Waking up with my other two will be fun tomorrow
  • Our little guy turned four months on Sunday. He had been sleeping until somewhere between 5-7 am every night. This weeks he's gone back to waking up around 2:30-3 for a feed. I think it's almost harder now bc we had gotten used to sleeping in and now we're back up in the middle of the night. I think once you get out of that phase and think it's over it's hard to get back into it.
  • We went from sleeping through the night to 4-5 waking periods each night. Only 1-2 seem to be hunger or at least times she is interested in taking the breast. The others happen about an hour apart and seem to be more along the lines of not transitioning sleep cycles well. Its horrifying because times it starts with just a whimper but other times I wake tona blood curdling scream. 
  • Well my last post was a false alarm, must've been a growth spurt or the heat pump being loud bc we got 2 pretty good night's of sleep, but that might be it for awhile now.  4 wake ups between 7pm and 5:30am, the last one being up for the day.  I got maybe 2.5 hours the whole night, every wake up lasted an hour at least.  Ugh, I don't know if I can do this for a week or more, especially since I can't put her down for naps during the day and get any rest, and I pretty much run the house by myself.
  • https://www.sleepsisters.com/bedtimes-by-age/


    https://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/parenting-articles/sleeping-and-soothing/how-much-should-a-4-month-old-sleep


    So my son will be 17 weeks tomorrow and a couple weeks ago he started sleeping basically like a newborn again - awake every 3 hours - when before that, he had gotten to where he was sleeping 6-10 hour stretches every night. I was talking about it with my sister (her son is 5 days older than mine) and she started researching and sent me the above links. After reading those, I took that information into account and tweaked as needed to fit for me and my son. I put him to sleep at 7-7:30 every night now. And we wake up between 8 and 9 in the morning. He wakes up once or twice at night to eat, but he goes right back to sleep with no fussing and I usually don't have to bounce him or anything at nights. And then takes a nap from 11-12:30 usually and then another at like 3:30-5 usually (they don't always last an hour and a half but that's just his average). It seems to be working for him. I just make sure once I see any sleep cues (eye rubbing, yawning, etc.), I instantly swaddle him, feed him, bounce him for a couple minutes, turn on white noise, turn on his mobile for a few minutes, and put him in the crib. Sometimes he lays there and coos until he falls asleep. Sometimes he cries and I have to pick him up, and bounce some more, and try again. It's literally different every night but I'm trying my best to get him on a schedule so that he's never too over tired, because he's a hot mess when he's over tired and it takes me forever to get him to sleep if I miss his sleep cues. Idk. Basically I'm just a ftm and I'm just winging it and hoping for the best lmao. And all that stuff I said, it's not fool proof obviously but he's doing well for the most part.

    Babies are all so different though. My sister is doing what I'm doing with her son as well but he does not go along with it at all. So basically it's just a bunch of trial and error, and lots of coffee!!!!, until something works or until they're through the regression.

    Good luck to everybody!!! 
  • So, this has gotten really bad for us.  Like, really bad.  LO got 8 hours total sleep yesterday, 5 (maybe 6) hours at night, and 4 1 hour naps.  And all of it was in my arms.  DH won't let me cosleep, is supposedly too busy with work to take her for a waking so I can sleep.  I was running on fumes for the last few months, now I'm running on empty, and I doubt it's good for LO to sleep so little.  But every time I put her down, she snaps wide awake.  Instantly.  On the rare occasion it works, she's up in an hour.  She arches her back and thrashes her head back and forth, switches between that and sound asleep a few.times before she wakes herself up.  She doesn't cry, but she yells (happily) until she has my attention.  She's not any more fussy than normal during the day, just a lot more willing to nap than she used to be.  I'm a complete zombie, I'm barely getting 2 hours most nights, because after up to 3 hours of trying to knock her out, then getting under the covers, I'm instantly up trying to soothe her again.  I can't go on like this, my body is going to give up soon and I don't want it to be when I'm holding her.
  • So, this has gotten really bad for us.  Like, really bad.  LO got 8 hours total sleep yesterday, 5 (maybe 6) hours at night, and 4 1 hour naps.  And all of it was in my arms.  DH won't let me cosleep, is supposedly too busy with work to take her for a waking so I can sleep.  I was running on fumes for the last few months, now I'm running on empty, and I doubt it's good for LO to sleep so little.  But every time I put her down, she snaps wide awake.  Instantly.  On the rare occasion it works, she's up in an hour.  She arches her back and thrashes her head back and forth, switches between that and sound asleep a few.times before she wakes herself up.  She doesn't cry, but she yells (happily) until she has my attention.  She's not any more fussy than normal during the day, just a lot more willing to nap than she used to be.  I'm a complete zombie, I'm barely getting 2 hours most nights, because after up to 3 hours of trying to knock her out, then getting under the covers, I'm instantly up trying to soothe her again.  I can't go on like this, my body is going to give up soon and I don't want it to be when I'm holding her.
    I'd highly suggest purchasing a co-sleeper and tell your husband it was made for that exact purpose - to co-sleep safely. You don't have to use it forever, but if he can't help and you both aren't sleeping, then there doesn't seem to be an alternative. You need to get rest.
  • @AmoLovesAud we were up doing this tango last night and the only thing that works with DD was bumping up the heat. Maybe your girl runs cold or hot?? Past that, you need to sleep too; Time to talk to DH about cosleeping and dealing or taking a stretch with the baby because it's complete bull to be putting that all on you. He can't tell you what to do and then sleep through it. All the best!
  • I agree with @Lolo427 I would let him choose either cosleeping or he takes a shift. My husband is busy at work but over my dead body would he get away with not helping. Both parents need to share the burden or you will become totally burnt put which isn't good for your lo.
  • @AmoLovesAud I agree with PPs that your DH needs to either help or let you cosleep. 

    You could also maybe call someone to watch LO for a few hours during the day while you nap. Or cosleep during the day when your DH isn't in the bed too
  • poupoulepoupoule member
    edited February 2016
    So, this has gotten really bad for us.  Like, really bad.  LO got 8 hours total sleep yesterday, 5 (maybe 6) hours at night, and 4 1 hour naps.  And all of it was in my arms.  DH won't let me cosleep, is supposedly too busy with work to take her for a waking so I can sleep.  I was running on fumes for the last few months, now I'm running on empty, and I doubt it's good for LO to sleep so little.  But every time I put her down, she snaps wide awake.  Instantly.  On the rare occasion it works, she's up in an hour.  She arches her back and thrashes her head back and forth, switches between that and sound asleep a few.times before she wakes herself up.  She doesn't cry, but she yells (happily) until she has my attention.  She's not any more fussy than normal during the day, just a lot more willing to nap than she used to be.  I'm a complete zombie, I'm barely getting 2 hours most nights, because after up to 3 hours of trying to knock her out, then getting under the covers, I'm instantly up trying to soothe her again.  I can't go on like this, my body is going to give up soon and I don't want it to be when I'm holding her.
    If she does not cry but coos, thats normal. Mine wakes up when I put her in the crib ar night, even if she fell asleep nursing, sometimes  I even place her still awake in her crib. Sometimes she speaks to herself, and puts herself to sleep in 10 min or so. Have you tried waiting a bit longer before taking her again in your arms ? It took me a while to understand the newbiorn phase of staying asleep on my arms/in the crib was over and that it was normal she awoke when I changed her position. She can also talk to herself and listen to her voice. She likes stretching too.

    as long as she does not cry, it is a happy baby!
  • poupoule said:
    So, this has gotten really bad for us.  Like, really bad.  LO got 8 hours total sleep yesterday, 5 (maybe 6) hours at night, and 4 1 hour naps.  And all of it was in my arms.  DH won't let me cosleep, is supposedly too busy with work to take her for a waking so I can sleep.  I was running on fumes for the last few months, now I'm running on empty, and I doubt it's good for LO to sleep so little.  But every time I put her down, she snaps wide awake.  Instantly.  On the rare occasion it works, she's up in an hour.  She arches her back and thrashes her head back and forth, switches between that and sound asleep a few.times before she wakes herself up.  She doesn't cry, but she yells (happily) until she has my attention.  She's not any more fussy than normal during the day, just a lot more willing to nap than she used to be.  I'm a complete zombie, I'm barely getting 2 hours most nights, because after up to 3 hours of trying to knock her out, then getting under the covers, I'm instantly up trying to soothe her again.  I can't go on like this, my body is going to give up soon and I don't want it to be when I'm holding her.
    If she does not cry but coos, thats normal. Mine wakes up when I put her in the crib ar night, even if she fell asleep nursing, sometimes  I even place her still awake in her crib. Sometimes she speaks to herself, and puts herself to sleep in 10 min or so. Have you tried waiting a bit longer before taking her again in your arms ? It took me a while to understand the newbiorn phase of staying asleep on my arms/in the crib was over and that it was normal she awoke when I changed her position. She can also talk to herself and listen to her voice. She likes stretching too.

    as long as she does not cry, it is a happy baby!

    the only problem with leaving her is she's so darn loud!  Its seriously a yell, she's got quite the set of lungs on her, but I can't sleep through it.  I've tried leaving her anyway, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but when it doesn't and she escalates to a cry, it can take hours to settle her, whereas if I just pick her up happy and try again it only takes 10-20 minutes (and once we're successful I can usually get an hour or 2 if I'm lucky).  I should try leaving her more often but its hard laying 4 feet from such a talkative baby.

    MIL bought us a co-sleeper bassinet, so DH can't refuse using it.

    As for the other comments, thanks but my issues with DH are for another thread.  Its partially my problem, I always did everything around the house, but doing it all plus a baby and minus sleep is killing me, and his workload picked up a bunch last summer so we're both pretty much running on empty.  I'm seeing a therapist later this week to help me with my anxiety and anger issues surrounding all this, and maybe we'll try couple's counseling later on.

  • Question for those going through the regression- what time are you starting to put your LO to bed? Zeke is still taking forrreeeevvvvvverrrrr to get to bed and I'm wondering if maybe we need to start earlier. I have been starting his bedtime routine around 6:30, but he never goes to bed and stay asleep until 8:00-8:30 (and lately he's even waking back up shortly after 9!)... Do we need to start the bedtime routine sooner so he goes to sleep sooner? 
  • rachswi said:
    Question for those going through the regression- what time are you starting to put your LO to bed? Zeke is still taking forrreeeevvvvvverrrrr to get to bed and I'm wondering if maybe we need to start earlier. I have been starting his bedtime routine around 6:30, but he never goes to bed and stay asleep until 8:00-8:30 (and lately he's even waking back up shortly after 9!)... Do we need to start the bedtime routine sooner so he goes to sleep sooner? 
    We give our little guy his last bottle around 7:30/8. Takes him forever to drink it because he starts nodding off Sometimes we have to fix 2-3 more ounces because 8 isn't enough. We'll usually put him down around 9:30-10 and lately he's been sleeping until about 5. BUT he sleeps in the bed with us most of the night which is not the best sleep for mama.
  • smnewby said:
    LO is 14 weeks and still up multiple times at night (bed 8ish up at 12, 3,5,6 up for the day) just checking to see if I'm alone or if any other mommy's are with me?! Working on this little sleep is tough, and yup he gets up and eats!  BF at night but does get some formula at daycare bc I dont produce enough. Oh, and he only takes 3 30 min naps during the day! 
    You are definitely not alone!  We have nearly the exact same wake up times!  The 8-12 stretch i am fine with but then the subsequent little wake ups are killing me!  I know my work is being affected too!
    OMG this is my LO's exact sleep pattern! I also live on coffee! Gotta love it...
  • Forgot to mention in my other post. It now also takes 3+ times of putting LO in his crib before he stays down. He'll fall asleep nursing so I put him in his crib and he immediately wakes up screaming so I have to pick him up and rock him back to sleep. I put him back down and he wakes up again. Pick him back up and rock him and put him back down. Maybe he stays down this time. This happens at naps, bedtime, and MOTN feedings. I have no idea what's changed but it's wearing me out! Anyone else experiencing this or have ideas on what we can do? CIO is starting to look awfully appealing (but I don't think I could handle doing it!)
  • rachswi said:
    Forgot to mention in my other post. It now also takes 3+ times of putting LO in his crib before he stays down. He'll fall asleep nursing so I put him in his crib and he immediately wakes up screaming so I have to pick him up and rock him back to sleep. I put him back down and he wakes up again. Pick him back up and rock him and put him back down. Maybe he stays down this time. This happens at naps, bedtime, and MOTN feedings. I have no idea what's changed but it's wearing me out! Anyone else experiencing this or have ideas on what we can do? CIO is starting to look awfully appealing (but I don't think I could handle doing it!)
    This started for us a few nights ago and honestly I haven't found a solution yet. We were putting her down in her crib around 6:30 and then bringing her into our room to sleep in the pnp when we went to bed. But that all changed in the last week. Sometimes after an hour or more of bedtime routine she'll stay asleep, but last night it was taking forever and I wanted to hang out with my husband/was tired of the crying, so I just let fall asleep in my arms nursing and let her sleep on me. I don't want to encourage bad habits, so I'm hoping she grows out of it, but I also don't want to go insane. 
  • smnewbysmnewby member
    edited March 2016
    I hate to push products but merlins magic sleep suit stopped our LOs regression.  We put her down at 7:30/8 and she started waking at 12, 2,4,6 (sometimes even more often) then only having 45min naps during the day. She was only ever hungry around the 2am waking, the others were comfort.  LO was having trouble going between her sleep cycles. Appearantly the deepest sleep is earlier in the night, thus the consistant 8-midnight stretch. The magic suite helped her resettle later in the night. At 16 weeks we now have her back to 8 bedtime 2 feed, up at 6:30/7. 

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  • I've been tempted to buy that merlin magic suit buy haven't wanted to shell out the $40! Anyone else love it?
  • Has the sleep regression brought on a huge change in temperament for anyone else's baby? Can't figure out if it's sleep regression or teething but little mans behavior has done a complete 180! 
    He used to be such a happy little guy and would fall asleep for naps on his own even if I had a tv show on in the background. He'd also fall asleep really well at night. 
    Now he just screams at night...anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours. I'll put him in the boba wrap and walk around and bounce and he just screams and cries.  
    He's not my happy little man anymore and it makes me sad. His naps during the day are maybe 30 minutes and he will take 3 of them usually. 
  • Bridget has gone from crying at nights and unhappy to a happy, talkative, and wiggly baby.  It's a nice change I guess, but at 3am I would prefer unconscious baby. 
    If there's something strange underneath the hood.  Who you gonna call?  Your Doctor.  If there's something weird and it don't look good.  Who you gonna call?  Your Doctor.  Immediately.  If it's new, painful, and possibly pregnancy related get your ass off the internet and call your doctor.  It's for your health and your child's. 




  • I've been tempted to buy that merlin magic suit buy haven't wanted to shell out the $40! Anyone else love it?
    If you do try it out I think if you order from their official website they have a money back guarantee. Also, I would recommend the cotton one over the fleece one. We live in Ohio and it can get very cold here but with the thermostat at 66 LO had to be in just a diaper with the microfleece version and still felt a bit warm for my liking. With the cotton one we keep her in a lightweight footed onsie w thermostat at 67 and she is a blissful sleeper!  Not to mention as the weather changes the cotton one will get more wear-time.

    We kept both...microfleece is now the back up in case we experience a midnight blow out!

    I swear by the magic of the suit.
  • Has the sleep regression brought on a huge change in temperament for anyone else's baby? Can't figure out if it's sleep regression or teething but little mans behavior has done a complete 180! 
    He used to be such a happy little guy and would fall asleep for naps on his own even if I had a tv show on in the background. He'd also fall asleep really well at night. 
    Now he just screams at night...anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours. I'll put him in the boba wrap and walk around and bounce and he just screams and cries.  
    He's not my happy little man anymore and it makes me sad. His naps during the day are maybe 30 minutes and he will take 3 of them usually. 
    Oh my lord yes!!! My son Hates pretty much everything now
  • So I don't know if this is because LO (16 weeks) has a cold or if this is the regression but oh my god HELP. He wakes up every 30 minutes. It's been like this since Sunday, I am dying, I get 3 hours of broken sleep a night and then have to be up at 6 am for work. If this is the regression when will it end? He's never been a good sleeper but this is out of control, he wakes up screaming! He used to at least be nice and pleasant when he woke up. The cold seems to be getting better (doc says just a virus and he hasn't had a fever since Tuesday morning) someone please give me hope this is just like a 1 week thing? !
  • @Sarah052085 That's really hard! But this too shall pass. Can someone give you a break at night? Since he has a cold, it could just be a temporary thing. Have there been any changes in his schedule or routine recently?

  • Thanks @natalknitter15 I have forced my husband to start pulling his weight at night, last night was better, I think he is finally starting to feel a bit better.  Now let's hope the rest of the house doesn't catch it! 
  • How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
  • How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    My LO will take 3-4 45 minute naps. Never more than 45 minutes. Most naps are a fight even if he has been rubbing his eyes and yawning (usually as soon as he yawns we start nap time routine). If Zeke fights too much, we'll walk laps until he is a little more willing to give in. I also sing quietly to him which helps. 

    But every nap is a fight for us too. I can't wait till he takes longer naps so I don't have to fight him what feels like all day. 
  • How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    It's a lucky day when I can get any naps in! The most he will do is doze while eating but the second I move slightly or he drops the nipple he's wide awake and refuses to fall back asleep or even relatch. Every few days though he will nap for an hour or two. Then on super rare days he will nap for about 4hours straight. He shows all the signs and will be completely exhausted but he hates to nap.
  • How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    It's a lucky day when I can get any naps in! The most he will do is doze while eating but the second I move slightly or he drops the nipple he's wide awake and refuses to fall back asleep or even relatch. Every few days though he will nap for an hour or two. Then on super rare days he will nap for about 4hours straight. He shows all the signs and will be completely exhausted but he hates to nap.
    Maybe you need to help him more? Babies shouldn't be awake more than 2 hours in a day. Can you rock, white noise, soother? My DD is super cranky if she doesn't nap consistently.
  • kdoak2015 said:
    Babies shouldn't be awake more than 2 hours in a day. 
    If this is true, I'm in big trouble. 
    Every baby is different. My LO is frequently up for longer than 2hrs. He takes 2 naps between 7a and 8p, occasionally a a cat nap before dinner. His naps are between 2 and 3hrs long. He can be up for 3 and 4 hours and still be my happy little man.
  • kdoak2015 said:
    How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    It's a lucky day when I can get any naps in! The most he will do is doze while eating but the second I move slightly or he drops the nipple he's wide awake and refuses to fall back asleep or even relatch. Every few days though he will nap for an hour or two. Then on super rare days he will nap for about 4hours straight. He shows all the signs and will be completely exhausted but he hates to nap.
    Maybe you need to help him more? Babies shouldn't be awake more than 2 hours in a day. Can you rock, white noise, soother? My DD is super cranky if she doesn't nap consistently.
    I'm not sure what else to do...we rock, I'll try laying him down in his room, I've tried laying down with him, we go for drives, and walks and nothing seems to work or if it does its for 30 or so mins. I try white noise, piano misic(we do this at bedtime) or just silence and nada. He's always been a very alert baby. 
  • kdoak2015 said:
    Babies shouldn't be awake more than 2 hours in a day. 
    If this is true, I'm in big trouble. 
    Jordan only takes two 30 mins naps during 9 hours of daycare. It's not their fault either because she doesn't nap at home. We try it all, but she is happy and alert. Oh well.
  • my LO has a perfectly set internal clock. If she is awake 2hrs 1minute she is full on screaming, vein in forehead bulging, hyperventilating and over tired. DH and I stand in awe and sweat bullets if she hasnt closed her eyes by 1hr 45min!
  • AmoLovesAudAmoLovesAud member
    edited March 2016
    How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    20-45 minutes on average, 3-4 times per day.  Depends on how early she got up in the morning and how well she slept the night before.  She's napped as long as 2 or 3 hours after really bad nights.  Never up for more than 90 minutes at a time.  Maybe 2 hours or a little more after the big naps, but those are rare.

    ... but that's only at home.  She'll take a reluctant 20 minute nap in the car, if it keeps moving (hybrid, engine noise stops if it stops) and we don't go over any bumps.  We're at the ILs right now and she's been up for 2.5 hours after a mere two 15 minute naps all day today.  She's terrible, MIL can't even hold her without setting her off.  I've been trying to get her to nap for the last half hour and we just strait up won't go to sleep.

    Which brings me to my question for the thread: for the nap fighters, at what point should I give up?  I feel like some days I have to spend close to an hour fighting for a 10-15 minute nap, then she's only good for a short while, less than a half hour, and we start all over again.  I can't do anything at all when I'm trying to get her down, she flails too much to use my phone, and I need a hand holding her binky in at all times.  Sitting in a dark quiet room listening to white noise, tired as all hell but can't sleep, gets pretty dam old.....
  • How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    20-45 minutes on average, 3-4 times per day.  Depends on how early she got up in the morning and how well she slept the night before.  She's napped as long as 2 or 3 hours after really bad nights.  Never up for more than 90 minutes at a time.  Maybe 2 hours or a little more after the big naps, but those are rare.

    ... but that's only at home.  She'll take a reluctant 20 minute nap in the car, if it keeps moving (hybrid, engine noise stops if it stops) and we don't go over any bumps.  We're at the ILs right now and she's been up for 2.5 hours after a mere two 15 minute naps all day today.  She's terrible, MIL can't even hold her without setting her off.  I've been trying to get her to nap for the last half hour and we just strait up won't go to sleep.

    Which brings me to my question for the thread: for the nap fighters, at what point should I give up?  I feel like some days I have to spend close to an hour fighting for a 10-15 minute nap, then she's only good for a short while, less than a half hour, and we start all over again.  I can't do anything at all when I'm trying to get her down, she flails too much to use my phone, and I need a hand holding her binky in at all times.  Sitting in a dark quiet room listening to white noise, tired as all hell but can't sleep, gets pretty dam old.....
    When our LO gets overly tired sometimes if i breast feed/comfort her w boob while swaying standing up (not rocking mind you as she seems to know the difference) sometimes that will subdue her. I am not a fan of crying it out but if she is having a total overly tired melt down leaving her alone in her swing seems to be best. Sometimes I swear the more we try to comfort her/interfere the more she escalates. 
  • How often are y'all's LO napping for? And how often? I feel like I am fighting LO to nap. He shows all the signs of being tired but when I try to rock him he flails around and screams for a minute until I turn on "strong hair dryer" and then he might fight one more minute and relax. 
    20-45 minutes on average, 3-4 times per day.  Depends on how early she got up in the morning and how well she slept the night before.  She's napped as long as 2 or 3 hours after really bad nights.  Never up for more than 90 minutes at a time.  Maybe 2 hours or a little more after the big naps, but those are rare.

    ... but that's only at home.  She'll take a reluctant 20 minute nap in the car, if it keeps moving (hybrid, engine noise stops if it stops) and we don't go over any bumps.  We're at the ILs right now and she's been up for 2.5 hours after a mere two 15 minute naps all day today.  She's terrible, MIL can't even hold her without setting her off.  I've been trying to get her to nap for the last half hour and we just strait up won't go to sleep.

    Which brings me to my question for the thread: for the nap fighters, at what point should I give up?  I feel like some days I have to spend close to an hour fighting for a 10-15 minute nap, then she's only good for a short while, less than a half hour, and we start all over again.  I can't do anything at all when I'm trying to get her down, she flails too much to use my phone, and I need a hand holding her binky in at all times.  Sitting in a dark quiet room listening to white noise, tired as all hell but can't sleep, gets pretty dam old.....
    This is me today! LO's naps have gotten progressively shorter all day. 45 minutes, 20 minutes and the last one was 10 minutes! I'm so exhausted from walking with her. After her 10 minute nap I spent another 30 minutes trying to get her back to sleep. She seems fine though... So I've just kind of given up. :/ I feel bad about it, but idk what to do at this point.
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