My friend's baby was on the floor. Pretty sure it was tile. Either way I'm soured on the bumbo now.
Oh @Linsbins. I didn't think for one second that your friend had put the little one on the counter! They are definitely able to topple out on the floor! Tile is pretty painful! I think I will be sticking to a regular bouncer.
Ditto - I was referring to the stories I've heard in the media - many times - about bumbos and counter tops...
Bumpers have been no-nos for awhile last I checked but I have seen a few people here mention they didn't know until a previous BMB and the trimester boards have had a few questions about them so its good to make sure everyone is on the same page since they are still heavily advertised in most places (which is ridiculous btw).
If one of the main concerns is about baby getting better caught in the ties, you'd think manufacturers would switch to, oh I don't know, Velcro closures?? Lol. Simple and still cheap. at some point, IF I choose to use a bumper, I will probably remove the ties and make Velcro closures.
I can't believe major retailers still sell them or that people still buy them (the fluffier the better at pottery barn this season apparently)
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
So some of the issues brought up in that article aren't relevant to everyone. For example, if you only use a walker on the first floor, then there no stairs for the baby to fall down and get hurt on so walkers would be safe. Why anyone would use a walker not on a first floor is beyond me (full disclosure, my place of choice as a child was my walker, I couldn't stand not being able to see what everyone was doing apparently).
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
So some of the issues brought up in that article aren't relevant to everyone. For example, if you only use a walker on the first floor, then there no stairs for the baby to fall down and get hurt on so walkers would be safe. Why anyone would use a walker not on a first floor is beyond me (full disclosure, my place of choice as a child was my walker, I couldn't stand not being able to see what everyone was doing apparently).
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
Yes sorry girls. Walkers also made the hit list. Have a read because it's short and not boring! I like it because it's 13 products but gives you alternatives.
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
So some of the issues brought up in that article aren't relevant to everyone. For example, if you only use a walker on the first floor, then there no stairs for the baby to fall down and get hurt on so walkers would be safe. Why anyone would use a walker not on a first floor is beyond me (full disclosure, my place of choice as a child was my walker, I couldn't stand not being able to see what everyone was doing apparently).
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
Fun fact: Walkers are illegal in Canada.
For the first time on this board, I will say I'm glad I don't live in Canada! I get the risk that they pose but walkers being totally banned, not just sold with a strong safety warning to only use on first floors seems a bit much.
I'm having a hard time commenting on this thread because I'm not always good with words. I don't want this to come off as an attack on anyone because that is not what it is.
Some of the products in these articles are perfectly safe when used according to the manufacturers directions. The problem is when people don't use them properly. I'm not saying any child ever injured in one of them was a victim of it not being used properly because shit happens, but the majority of accident happen because of people's inability to follow instructions.
I will make an example of something that is not on the list.
**trigger warming**
Bucket car seats for instance. When used properly (in the car, installed proplerly and buckled properly) they are a life saving device. Yet children die every year when they aren't used properly. Say baby is sleeping so mom sets him on the floor in his seat thinking he will be fine. Baby slumps down and we know the story. This is a horrible thing to think of but it does happen. Or mom takes bucket seat out and places it in the top part of the grocery cart because it easily clicks in and seems to fit perfectly. Next thing you know the cart tips over and baby falls out onto the floor. So do we ban bucket seats and say they are unsafe for mothers to use? No we don't. We educate and hope for people to take that information and put it to good use and use products the way the are intended to be used.
* I do want to add that I am aware some of these products are just plain unsafe even when used properly. I'm referring to ones like the bumbo seat or slings and walkers.
Because of the warnings against bumpers we opted not to use them in the crib for DD. Which she did not sleep in her crib until she was 4/5 months old. But after her waking up several times in the night screaming bloody murder because her leg or arm was stuck in between the slates we gave it. We got the mesh ones from Target and they were great. No more waking up to blood curdling screams several times a night. They were completely breathable (I tested them myself) and the ties are on the outside.
Everyone wants to ere on the side of caution but when reality sets in you do what you feel is right for you and your child. That will never be wrong and should never be judged.
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
So some of the issues brought up in that article aren't relevant to everyone. For example, if you only use a walker on the first floor, then there no stairs for the baby to fall down and get hurt on so walkers would be safe. Why anyone would use a walker not on a first floor is beyond me (full disclosure, my place of choice as a child was my walker, I couldn't stand not being able to see what everyone was doing apparently).
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
Fun fact: Walkers are illegal in Canada.
For the first time on this board, I will say I'm glad I don't live in Canada! I get the risk that they pose but walkers being totally banned, not just sold with a strong safety warning to only use on first floors seems a bit much.
It's not just about safety, ironically baby walkers have been found to delay babies ability to sit up, crawl and walk! They just scoot around with their legs rather than learning to stabilise themselves while developing their muscles and hand to eye coordination. The push along ones are fine though so will just get one of those instead.
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
So some of the issues brought up in that article aren't relevant to everyone. For example, if you only use a walker on the first floor, then there no stairs for the baby to fall down and get hurt on so walkers would be safe. Why anyone would use a walker not on a first floor is beyond me (full disclosure, my place of choice as a child was my walker, I couldn't stand not being able to see what everyone was doing apparently).
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
Fun fact: Walkers are illegal in Canada.
For the first time on this board, I will say I'm glad I don't live in Canada! I get the risk that they pose but walkers being totally banned, not just sold with a strong safety warning to only use on first floors seems a bit much.
It's not just about safety, ironically baby walkers have been found to delay babies ability to sit up, crawl and walk! They just scoot around with their legs rather than learning to stabilise themselves while developing their muscles and hand to eye coordination.
There's a difference between keeping them in it all the time and using it essentially as a bouncer seat for a baby that is far too large for a bouncer and is already mobile. Like PP said, if used properly (and in moderation) I don't see anything wrong with it. It shouldn't be used as a tool for teaching your kid to walk but used instead of a jumper seat or a play station I dont have an issue and if I can find one, I wouldn't have an issue letting my baby roll around in one at home.
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
So some of the issues brought up in that article aren't relevant to everyone. For example, if you only use a walker on the first floor, then there no stairs for the baby to fall down and get hurt on so walkers would be safe. Why anyone would use a walker not on a first floor is beyond me (full disclosure, my place of choice as a child was my walker, I couldn't stand not being able to see what everyone was doing apparently).
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
Fun fact: Walkers are illegal in Canada.
For the first time on this board, I will say I'm glad I don't live in Canada! I get the risk that they pose but walkers being totally banned, not just sold with a strong safety warning to only use on first floors seems a bit much.
It's not just about safety, ironically baby walkers have been found to delay babies ability to sit up, crawl and walk! They just scoot around with their legs rather than learning to stabilise themselves while developing their muscles and hand to eye coordination.
There's a difference between keeping them in it all the time and using it essentially as a bouncer seat for a baby that is far too large for a bouncer and is already mobile. Like PP said, if used properly (and in moderation) I don't see anything wrong with it. It shouldn't be used as a tool for teaching your kid to walk but used instead of a jumper seat or a play station I dont have an issue and if I can find one, I wouldn't have an issue letting my baby roll around in one at home.
Absolutely! I think you are right, it's definitely fine in moderation. You get a lot of people that put their baby in them all day. My DH says his sister was the only one who used a walker and jokes that she has wonky bow legs from it! Lol....
@fishwife799 very well said! A good amount of recommendations and changes to products rest on parental ability to utilize the product correctly rather than specific product failures. (Note: not saying right or wrong, just why the recommendations exist)
@Sgoldberg247 I wasn't referring to any article, just trying to encourage that pp to STRONGLY consider the bumper risks.
@Sgoldberg247 I wasn't referring to any article, just trying to encourage that pp to STRONGLY consider the bumper risks.
I may just fail at quoting today, was referencing the consumee reports article that I thought was the beginning of your comment. Totally agreed on bumpers being not safe, but some of thing things they said weren't safe are very safe if you follow recommendations. Not all, but a few.
@Sgoldberg247 I wasn't referring to any article, just trying to encourage that pp to STRONGLY consider the bumper risks.
I may just fail at quoting today, was referencing the consumee reports article that I thought was the beginning of your comment. Totally agreed on bumpers being not safe, but some of thing things they said weren't safe are very safe if you follow recommendations. Not all, but a few.
Lol...think the consumer report one was mine. Had 13 products on it?
@Sgoldberg247 I wasn't referring to any article, just trying to encourage that pp to STRONGLY consider the bumper risks.
I may just fail at quoting today, was referencing the consumee reports article that I thought was the beginning of your comment. Totally agreed on bumpers being not safe, but some of thing things they said weren't safe are very safe if you follow recommendations. Not all, but a few.
Lol...think the consumer report one was mine. Had 13 products on it? I thought they were all pretty legit.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
Have a read! It's not dated in my mind. The products haven't changed much in the last 3 years that I know of. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
Have a read! It's not dated in my mind. The products haven't changed much in the last 3 years that I know of. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
Have a read! It's not dated in my mind. The products haven't changed much in the last 3 years that I know of. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
Yes, I'm aware that bumbo did a recall and now have safety harnesses but I still feel a lot of the info is valid. They don't suggest alternative wrap carriers as the type of carrier was deemed unsafe. They recommended a structured carrier instead. To be honest the Mayo link you provided just highlighted the problems of cloth slings, to me. I guess it is just a starting point for conversation. If people would like to contribute additional updated docs then I'm happy to read them. I found a number of more recent articles dated 2014 & 2015 but they still list the same products and don't provide the info in such a clear and concise way.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
Have a read! It's not dated in my mind. The products haven't changed much in the last 3 years that I know of. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
Yes, I'm aware that bumbo did a recall and now have safety harnesses but I still feel a lot of the info is valid. They don't suggest alernative wrap carriers as the type of carrier was deemed unsafe. They recommended a structured carrier instead. I guess it is just a starting point for conversation. If people would like to contribute additional updated docs then I'm happy to read them. I may well find one myself.
They actually don't mention wrap carriers at all -- as safe or unsafe. A sling and a wrap are not the same thing. And as I pointed out, the Mayo Clinic (medical experts rather than consumer experts) specifically says that slings are safe if used properly.
I'm not trying to pick on you or say your information is bad, and I'm glad you're sharing it. I'm just recommending seeking out the most current information you can find, and always looking at the dates on what you find online. Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned a "new" study about pacifiers that was actually published in 2005. That doesn't mean the information is bad -- but it's a good example of how easy it is to overlook the date on something that's published online and remember that old content doesn't go away.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
Have a read! It's not dated in my mind. The products haven't changed much in the last 3 years that I know of. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
Yes, I'm aware that bumbo did a recall and now have safety harnesses but I still feel a lot of the info is valid. They don't suggest alernative wrap carriers as the type of carrier was deemed unsafe. They recommended a structured carrier instead. I guess it is just a starting point for conversation. If people would like to contribute additional updated docs then I'm happy to read them. I may well find one myself.
They actually don't mention wrap carriers at all -- as safe or unsafe. A sling and a wrap are not the same thing. And as I pointed out, the Mayo Clinic (medical experts rather than consumer experts) specifically says that slings are safe if used properly.
I'm not trying to pick on you or say your information is bad, and I'm glad you're sharing it. I'm just recommending seeking out the most current information you can find, and always looking at the dates on what you find online. Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned a "new" study about pacifiers that was actually published in 2005. That doesn't mean the information is bad -- but it's a good example of how easy it is to overlook the date on something that's published online and remember that old content doesn't go away.
That Consumer Reports link is from 2012. It will be more than four years old when your babies are born. Not saying it's wrong (TBH, I didn't read it), but I strongly recommend looking to more up-to-date sources. This stuff changes all the time.
Have a read! It's not dated in my mind. The products haven't changed much in the last 3 years that I know of. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
Yes, I'm aware that bumbo did a recall and now have safety harnesses but I still feel a lot of the info is valid. They don't suggest alernative wrap carriers as the type of carrier was deemed unsafe. They recommended a structured carrier instead. I guess it is just a starting point for conversation. If people would like to contribute additional updated docs then I'm happy to read them. I may well find one myself.
They actually don't mention wrap carriers at all -- as safe or unsafe. A sling and a wrap are not the same thing. And as I pointed out, the Mayo Clinic (medical experts rather than consumer experts) specifically says that slings are safe if used properly.
I'm not trying to pick on you or say your information is bad, and I'm glad you're sharing it. I'm just recommending seeking out the most current information you can find, and always looking at the dates on what you find online. Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned a "new" study about pacifiers that was actually published in 2005. That doesn't mean the information is bad -- but it's a good example of how easy it is to overlook the date on something that's published online and remember that old content doesn't go away.
Sorry. See edit please!
If the info is still valid then the date of the article is irrelevant. The Mayo link you gave confirmed every problem you can have with a sling over structured carrier.
@Sgoldberg247 I just wanted to make sure that everyone is clear that you mean sleeping in the same room, not sharing a bed when you say that. Saying co-sleeping can be a confusing term.
Co-sleeping and bed sharing are different things. You can buy safe co-sleepers, and bassinets that allow you to be very close to baby without the chance of suffocation, or the chance of rolling over on your baby.
I just envisioned how much easier crib sheets will be to change without a bumper. I'm sold, no bumper. A lot of bedding sets are being sold without bumpers now, leaving the option to purchase separately.
@Sgoldberg247 I just wanted to make sure that everyone is clear that you mean sleeping in the same room, not sharing a bed when you say that. Saying co-sleeping can be a confusing term.
Co-sleeping =/= bed sharing, its a very important distinction, I agree and I'm sorry if anyone read that assuming I meant bed sharing. Sharing a bed with your baby is dangerous. Sharing a room with them in their own bed that protects them from being smothered actually is said to reduce SIDS risk last I heard.
I saw the crib tents were on there, I need one so my cat does not try and jump in with the baby. My cat is crazy smart and can open every door in our home except the front door. What would be a better way to solve that problem? I would love some tips. FTM here. Oh and wouldn't pacifier clips prevent them from "leaving the crib" at night? or is that a no-no. I have very little experience with babies. My step sister lived in another state when she had her 4
@twiztedxdreams I don't mess with pacifier clips in the event the connecting part could strangle. We only use those when we are wearing the baby and clip it to our baby carrier.
I saw the crib tents were on there, I need one so my cat does not try and jump in with the baby. My cat is crazy smart and can open every door in our home except the front door. What would be a better way to solve that problem? I would love some tips. FTM here. Oh and wouldn't pacifier clips prevent them from "leaving the crib" at night? or is that a no-no. I have very little experience with babies. My step sister lived in another state when she had her 4
I guess you can do some research and find the safest one available without long ties. To be honest it's a case of weighing up risks. In my mind the cats pose more risk than the cot tents out of the two so I would go ahead and use one. According to a mum on another forum the newer ones they have the netting goes underneath the mattress and up and over the top. The zipper on the outside is protected by fabric so that if it is zipped completely a child cannot unzip from the inside. The netting is very sturdy and cannot just be ripped open (which may make it a danger in case of fire but that's not a risk of the actual tent). So I would just use them until your child can destroy it. The other option is to check the room and shut the door at nap time.
I saw the crib tents were on there, I need one so my cat does not try and jump in with the baby. My cat is crazy smart and can open every door in our home except the front door. What would be a better way to solve that problem? I would love some tips. FTM here. Oh and wouldn't pacifier clips prevent them from "leaving the crib" at night? or is that a no-no. I have very little experience with babies. My step sister lived in another state when she had her 4
For what it's worth, my cats have never tried to get in my daughters crib/bed when she was in it. One of our cats liked to just on the changing table after we changed her, but that's as close as he came.
@Corts what makes me cringe even more is when the parents come back with the argument "but I KNOW I'd wake up if I rolled onto the baby." No you don't.
My MIL purchased our baby bedding for DS and she insisted we needed a $500 set which came with a sheet, bed skirt, and bumper. The bumper went straight to the closet. I pulled it out and put it on there before it started to get cold this year in hopes it would keep him warmer (he won't sleep with a blanket). He was 19 months old then. The next day I read that they're still dangerous even then because it gives them a step up to help them climb out of the crib. Off came the bumper and back to the closet. $500 wasted. We did use a breathable mesh bumper because after 11 months of sleepless nights, I was tired of his feet getting caught. Ours Velcros.
Re: Dump the Bumper.
@Yoda923 I hear you on the everything is dangerous list, it gets exhaustive keeping track. But this recommendation is based on years of meta data and has been statistically correlated to a decreased risk. Not one of the fly by night fads.
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
I think it's just like eating lunch meats when pregnant with some of these things, you have to know why its recommended against and then use your own discretion of whether the way you use it can outweigh the risk.
On a similar note, cosleeping (sharing a room with your child) is believed to decrease SIDS risk. SIDS is thought to be caused by the infant essentially forgetting to breathe when they fall into a deep sleep. The sounds of breathing from their close by parents may help to remind their brain to keep breathing with them. Many people don't have the ability to put a full sized crib in their room so smaller cosleepers that create a dedicated space for the baby actually can help to prevent SIDS, as long as they are designed to prevent suffocation from the sheets on the bed or their parents
Fun fact: Walkers are illegal in Canada.
For the first time on this board, I will say I'm glad I don't live in Canada! I get the risk that they pose but walkers being totally banned, not just sold with a strong safety warning to only use on first floors seems a bit much.
Some of the products in these articles are perfectly safe when used according to the manufacturers directions. The problem is when people don't use them properly. I'm not saying any child ever injured in one of them was a victim of it not being used properly because shit happens, but the majority of accident happen because of people's inability to follow instructions.
I will make an example of something that is not on the list.
**trigger warming**
Bucket car seats for instance. When used properly (in the car, installed proplerly and buckled properly) they are a life saving device. Yet children die every year when they aren't used properly. Say baby is sleeping so mom sets him on the floor in his seat thinking he will be fine. Baby slumps down and we know the story. This is a horrible thing to think of but it does happen. Or mom takes bucket seat out and places it in the top part of the grocery cart because it easily clicks in and seems to fit perfectly. Next thing you know the cart tips over and baby falls out onto the floor. So do we ban bucket seats and say they are unsafe for mothers to use? No we don't. We educate and hope for people to take that information and put it to good use and use products the way the are intended to be used.
* I do want to add that I am aware some of these products are just plain unsafe even when used properly. I'm referring to ones like the bumbo seat or slings and walkers.
Everyone wants to ere on the side of caution but when reality sets in you do what you feel is right for you and your child. That will never be wrong and should never be judged.
For the first time on this board, I will say I'm glad I don't live in Canada! I get the risk that they pose but walkers being totally banned, not just sold with a strong safety warning to only use on first floors seems a bit much.
It's not just about safety, ironically baby walkers have been found to delay babies ability to sit up, crawl and walk! They just scoot around with their legs rather than learning to stabilise themselves while developing their muscles and hand to eye coordination. The push along ones are fine though so will just get one of those instead.
It's not just about safety, ironically baby walkers have been found to delay babies ability to sit up, crawl and walk! They just scoot around with their legs rather than learning to stabilise themselves while developing their muscles and hand to eye coordination.
There's a difference between keeping them in it all the time and using it essentially as a bouncer seat for a baby that is far too large for a bouncer and is already mobile. Like PP said, if used properly (and in moderation) I don't see anything wrong with it. It shouldn't be used as a tool for teaching your kid to walk but used instead of a jumper seat or a play station I dont have an issue and if I can find one, I wouldn't have an issue letting my baby roll around in one at home.
There's a difference between keeping them in it all the time and using it essentially as a bouncer seat for a baby that is far too large for a bouncer and is already mobile. Like PP said, if used properly (and in moderation) I don't see anything wrong with it. It shouldn't be used as a tool for teaching your kid to walk but used instead of a jumper seat or a play station I dont have an issue and if I can find one, I wouldn't have an issue letting my baby roll around in one at home.
Absolutely! I think you are right, it's definitely fine in moderation. You get a lot of people that put their baby in them all day. My DH says his sister was the only one who used a walker and jokes that she has wonky bow legs from it! Lol....
@Sgoldberg247 I wasn't referring to any article, just trying to encourage that pp to STRONGLY consider the bumper risks.
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I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
I'm not saying there's any issue with this particular article (although the claim that sling carriers are unsafe is frankly in direct conflict with current Mayo Clinic recommendations, and their recommended alternatives make no mention of wrap carriers). I'm just recommending looking for the newest possible information about safety developments so you know you're working with the most current information. For example, several months after this article was published, Bumbo voluntarily recalled floor seats and began producing them with new warning labels and a safety harness.
Yes, I'm aware that bumbo did a recall and now have safety harnesses but I still feel a lot of the info is valid. They don't suggest alternative wrap carriers as the type of carrier was deemed unsafe. They recommended a structured carrier instead. To be honest the Mayo link you provided just highlighted the problems of cloth slings, to me.
I guess it is just a starting point for conversation. If people would like to contribute additional updated docs then I'm happy to read them. I found a number of more recent articles dated 2014 & 2015 but they still list the same products and don't provide the info in such a clear and concise way.
They actually don't mention wrap carriers at all -- as safe or unsafe. A sling and a wrap are not the same thing. And as I pointed out, the Mayo Clinic (medical experts rather than consumer experts) specifically says that slings are safe if used properly.
They actually don't mention wrap carriers at all -- as safe or unsafe. A sling and a wrap are not the same thing. And as I pointed out, the Mayo Clinic (medical experts rather than consumer experts) specifically says that slings are safe if used properly.
Sorry. See edit please!
They actually don't mention wrap carriers at all -- as safe or unsafe. A sling and a wrap are not the same thing. And as I pointed out, the Mayo Clinic (medical experts rather than consumer experts) specifically says that slings are safe if used properly.
Sorry. See edit please!
If the info is still valid then the date of the article is irrelevant. The Mayo link you gave confirmed every problem you can have with a sling over structured carrier.
According to the AAP in a study published last year, co-sleeping is still the highest risk factor for babies (esp the youngest infants) who died of SIDS. I wouldn't want someone to get the opposite info and think they were doing the safest thing for baby! Link: https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Bed-Sharing-Remains-Greatest-Risk-Factor-for-Sleep-Related-Infant-Deaths.aspx
No you don't.
My MIL purchased our baby bedding for DS and she insisted we needed a $500 set which came with a sheet, bed skirt, and bumper. The bumper went straight to the closet. I pulled it out and put it on there before it started to get cold this year in hopes it would keep him warmer (he won't sleep with a blanket). He was 19 months old then. The next day I read that they're still dangerous even then because it gives them a step up to help them climb out of the crib. Off came the bumper and back to the closet. $500 wasted.
We did use a breathable mesh bumper because after 11 months of sleepless nights, I was tired of his feet getting caught. Ours Velcros.