Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
um, you and your DH deserve better than what??
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Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
better than what? different "standards" is fine, but don't judge others who do something differently.
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Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
Woah!!!!
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@bikramlass you make it sound like if a couple is married, their relationship is instantly better than a couple's relationship who is not married. I promise you, the moment DH and I signed our marriage license angels didn't sing from the Heavens. Nothing changed. We were still just as in love and still just as ready for a family as we were before we were ever even engaged.
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Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
Marriage is a personal choice and has a different meaning for each couple. For some, marriage is religious, for some it is a ritual, for some it is something we are "supposed to do", and for some it is a completely different reason. Just as marriage is a Personal choice, not being married is one as well! If you want to be married before you have a child cool, if you don't that is also cool. It holds no barring on my choices.
As far as commitment:
Divorce is proof that marriage is not a guaranteed 100% commitment. Nor does it mean a safe household, enough food on the table, warm blankets on the bed, or clothes on your back. It won't make you a good parent or a good partner. So I would say that marriage doesn't guarantee commitment, support, or love. Find what works best for you and your partner. Support each other, love each other, and be the best parents you can be!
We started TTC about 3 months before the wedding, assuming this upped our chances of actually conceiving shortly after the wedding. By that point my body would be normalized, and both being a little older, a honeymoon baby would have been lovely!
But then I got sick. Horribly, in the hospital sick, and ended up on some high test medication (class C) for about 6 months.
Ironically, because of the medication I still couldn't drink at my wedding, and it caused weight gain. All the "terrible" things you mentioned with no baby at the end!
So while we've actively been trying since September, we've been trying to try since last May, when we were "only" engaged.
So from my personal experience - That's why we did what we did. I wanted to be married when I gave birth for legal reasons, and not showing on my wedding day for vanity, so we started trying as soon as both those criteria would be likely. No one would have been counting months, this isn't 1915.
Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
Poor Fiance, I told him a stranger said he deserved better than that and he wondered if you would pay for our wedding, since it's so important to you for us to be married. We'd like to honeymoon in Germany, thanks. I'll set up a honeymoon fund for you to contribute to. I'll expect the wedding money there too.
Can't wait, I'm thinking June. Of course all my bumpies are invited, I'm sure bikramlass will fly you out.
Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
Poor Fiance, I told him a stranger said he deserved better than that and he wondered if you would pay for our wedding, since it's so important to you for us to be married. We'd like to honeymoon in Germany, thanks. I'll set up a honeymoon fund for you to contribute to. I'll expect the wedding money there too.
Can't wait, I'm thinking June. Of course all my bumpies are invited, I'm sure bikramlass will fly you out.
Oh I can't wait! Is it a destination wedding?
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Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
Poor Fiance, I told him a stranger said he deserved better than that and he wondered if you would pay for our wedding, since it's so important to you for us to be married. We'd like to honeymoon in Germany, thanks. I'll set up a honeymoon fund for you to contribute to. I'll expect the wedding money there too.
Can't wait, I'm thinking June. Of course all my bumpies are invited, I'm sure bikramlass will fly you out.
Oh I can't wait! Is it a destination wedding?
I haven't even thought of that!! Ohhh.... I feel so behind planning this. Perhaps we should all get together and have a planning sessh! Sleepover!!! SQUEEEEEEE
My husband felt strongly that he wanted to be married before we tried so I didn't have a choice. While it was hard for me I had to respect his position.
OMG, Lulu, I'm so happy for you! Now your child can be legitimate and not be some bastard like some people's children! <:-P
Also, I was going to explain why DH and I made our wedding our starting point for TTC, but PP were right and it's none of anybody's business.
Too bad my DD was conceived outside of marriage and while we did eventually get married, we are divorced. *sigh* it'll be a sad day when I have to break it to her that there's something wrong with the way her family is. She is so loved too, shucks. Poor kid.
Didn't ask you to explain. Just said it doesn't make any sense. I want more for my daughter than that, and I know my DH deserves better that, as do I.
Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
Poor Fiance, I told him a stranger said he deserved better than that and he wondered if you would pay for our wedding, since it's so important to you for us to be married. We'd like to honeymoon in Germany, thanks. I'll set up a honeymoon fund for you to contribute to. I'll expect the wedding money there too.
Can't wait, I'm thinking June. Of course all my bumpies are invited, I'm sure bikramlass will fly you out.
Oh I can't wait! Is it a destination wedding?
I haven't even thought of that!! Ohhh.... I feel so behind planning this. Perhaps we should all get together and have a planning sessh! Sleepover!!! SQUEEEEEEE
Yesss!
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Riiiiiight..... cause not being married means you're a trainwreck. How's the weather up on that high horse?
In my experience, when people are extra judgy about something that doesn't effect them in any way, they are really unhappy with themselves or their situation and are reflecting it on others.
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Post it for life @bikramlass. You sound like my damn 70-year-old extremely conservative and judgey parents. Good grief. The internet is not for you.
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Well aren't you special snowflake. I didn't realize we lived in the 1950s still. First, Marrying my partner is not going to make us love each other more or make us more committed, we already do that. We do intend to marry next year.
Second, I don't know about the US but in Canada we are considered common law already. We have the exact same rights as a married couple. So having a baby isn't going to stir up any legal issues or whatever.
Third, I again don't see how other people's relationships affect you in anyway whatsoever. If it were up to me, I would have been knocked up almost a year ago but alas, here I am, still trying :-?? There is no guarantee one will be pregnant when they get married anyway.
So get off that high horse and learn to mind your own business.
Well aren't you special snowflake. I didn't realize we lived in the 1950s still. First, Marrying my partner is not going to make us love each other more or make us more committed, we already do that. We do intend to marry next year.
Second, I don't know about the US but in Canada we are considered common law already. We have the exact same rights as a married couple. So having a baby isn't going to stir up any legal issues or whatever.
Third, I again don't see how other people's relationships affect you in anyway whatsoever. If it were up to me, I would have been knocked up almost a year ago but alas, here I am, still trying :-?? There is no guarantee one will be pregnant when they get married anyway.
So get off that high horse and learn to mind your own business.
Well aren't you special snowflake. I didn't realize we lived in the 1950s still. First, Marrying my partner is not going to make us love each other more or make us more committed, we already do that. We do intend to marry next year.
Second, I don't know about the US but in Canada we are considered common law already. We have the exact same rights as a married couple. So having a baby isn't going to stir up any legal issues or whatever.
Third, I again don't see how other people's relationships affect you in anyway whatsoever. If it were up to me, I would have been knocked up almost a year ago but alas, here I am, still trying :-?? There is no guarantee one will be pregnant when they get married anyway.
So get off that high horse and learn to mind your own business.
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Unless you live in BC you do not have the same rights as a married couple. All other provinces treat common-law relationships differently, and Quebec does not acknowledge them at all. You should look into the law in your province. Most provinces advise that you enter into some other kind of legal agreement if you wish to protect your assets or apply for spousal support following the dissolution of your relationship.
This was the Supreme Court of Canada's decision in 2002 on the difference between common-law and marriage (it's copied and pasted so sorry for the weird format):
"Although the courts and legislatures have recognized the historical disadvantages suffered by unmarried cohabiting couples, where legislation has the effect of dramatically altering the legal obligations of partners, choice must be paramount. The decision to marry or not is intensely personal. Many opposite sex individuals in conjugal relationships of some permanence have chosen to avoid marriage and the legal consequences that flow from it. To ignore the differences among cohabiting couples presumes a commonality of intention and understanding that simply does not exist. This effectively nullifies the individual’s freedom to choose alternative family forms and to have that choice respected by the state."
I was pregnant when I got married. I enjoyed my reception and was glad I wasn't trashed on my wedding day. Didn't bother me at all that I didn't drink, and I was only 6 weeks pregnant but I felt beautiful in my dress. ETA: but it is nobody's business. why would people even wonder that?
The same way you all 'kindly disagree' with posters who think they know they ovulated when (gasp!!) they aren't temping- I believe choosing to conceive children when not married is sad, for everyone involved, especially the children.
That is my opinion and I own this. We will never agree, and there are many more who feel like you, and many more who feel like I do. End of story.
The same way you all 'kindly disagree' with posters who think they know they ovulated when (gasp!!) they aren't temping- I believe choosing to conceive children when not married is sad, for everyone involved, especially the children.
That is my opinion and I own this. We will never agree, and there are many more who feel like you, and many more who feel like I do. End of story.
No. Not the same at all as women thinking they O'd when it is nearly impossible to track it if you aren't temping. A family isn't doomed if they aren't married..."sad for everyone involved"?? I seriously can't believe you are saying the things you are. My DD is 3 and I can promise you she isn't suffering one bit that we aren't married.
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The same way you all 'kindly disagree' with posters who think they know they ovulated when (gasp!!) they aren't temping- I believe choosing to conceive children when not married is sad, for everyone involved, especially the children.
That is my opinion and I own this. We will never agree, and there are many more who feel like you, and many more who feel like I do. End of story.
I'm going to cross stitch your kind words to hang above the babies crib so they know how sad their life should be. It'll keep them humble, so as not to upset the children whose parents signed a legal document before procreating. We wouldn't want the legit darlings to have their world disrupted.
The same way you all 'kindly disagree' with posters who think they know they ovulated when (gasp!!) they aren't temping- I believe choosing to conceive children when not married is sad, for everyone involved, especially the children.
That is my opinion and I own this. We will never agree, and there are many more who feel like you, and many more who feel like I do. End of story.
Except it's not the same because, as you pointed you out yours is an opinion. The fact that ovulation can only be proven by temping or an ultrasound is a fact. Your analogy is the same thing as saying that people who don't like pumpkin spice lattes are just as correct in saying that as people who think the sky isn't blue.
The same way you all 'kindly disagree' with posters who think they know they ovulated when (gasp!!) they aren't temping- I believe choosing to conceive children when not married is sad, for everyone involved, especially the children.
That is my opinion and I own this. We will never agree, and there are many more who feel like you, and many more who feel like I do. End of story.
FTR, you don't have to agree. But your judgments are crass and distasteful. There are a million ways you could have shared your opinion that didn't include calling the people of this community trainwrecks, sad, and suggesting that their families are less than because they didn't choose the same path as you. You need a serious reality check @bikramlass.
Thanks @Lulucooks. I forget this all starts with someone proposing. It does not surprise me at all that one has not been offered to someone with your...charm and elegance.
Thanks @Lulucooks. I forget this all starts with someone proposing. It does not surprise me at all that one has not been offered to someone with your...charm and elegance.
There is a reason I refer to Fiance as such. We are engaged, I'm pretty sure I've posted my snazzy ring on here too.
I'm far more charming and elegant then you. I at least don't have to make judgments of others situations to make myself feel better.
Thanks @Lulucooks. I forget this all starts with someone proposing. It does not surprise me at all that one has not been offered to someone with your...charm and elegance.
Wait a minute! Nope. That's uncalled for.
@Lulucooks : marry me!!! I'll buy you a huge diamond & we can frolick. Don't listen to this lady. You are part of my posse! :x
Thanks @Lulucooks. I forget this all starts with someone proposing. It does not surprise me at all that one has not been offered to someone with your...charm and elegance.
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Yes. People have very different standards. This is becoming very obvious.
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As far as commitment:
Divorce is proof that marriage is not a guaranteed 100% commitment. Nor does it mean a safe household, enough food on the table, warm blankets on the bed, or clothes on your back. It won't make you a good parent or a good partner. So I would say that marriage doesn't guarantee commitment, support, or love. Find what works best for you and your partner. Support each other, love each other, and be the best parents you can be!
That's all
We started TTC about 3 months before the wedding, assuming this upped our chances of actually conceiving shortly after the wedding. By that point my body would be normalized, and both being a little older, a honeymoon baby would have been lovely!
But then I got sick. Horribly, in the hospital sick, and ended up on some high test medication (class C) for about 6 months.
Ironically, because of the medication I still couldn't drink at my wedding, and it caused weight gain. All the "terrible" things you mentioned with no baby at the end!
So while we've actively been trying since September, we've been trying to try since last May, when we were "only" engaged.
So from my personal experience - That's why we did what we did. I wanted to be married when I gave birth for legal reasons, and not showing on my wedding day for vanity, so we started trying as soon as both those criteria would be likely. No one would have been counting months, this isn't 1915.
As far as anyone else - you do you.
Can't wait, I'm thinking June. Of course all my bumpies are invited, I'm sure bikramlass will fly you out.
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In my experience, when people are extra judgy about something that doesn't effect them in any way, they are really unhappy with themselves or their situation and are reflecting it on others.
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Second, I don't know about the US but in Canada we are considered common law already. We have the exact same rights as a married couple. So having a baby isn't going to stir up any legal issues or whatever.
Third, I again don't see how other people's relationships affect you in anyway whatsoever. If it were up to me, I would have been knocked up almost a year ago but alas, here I am, still trying :-?? There is no guarantee one will be pregnant when they get married anyway.
So get off that high horse and learn to mind your own business.
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Anyone else see the irony in this chic's name? Apparently her heart chakra only acknowledges those who follow her rules...
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ETA: but it is nobody's business. why would people even wonder that?
That is my opinion and I own this. We will never agree, and there are many more who feel like you, and many more who feel like I do. End of story.
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I'm far more charming and elegant then you. I at least don't have to make judgments of others situations to make myself feel better.
@Lulucooks : marry me!!! I'll buy you a huge diamond & we can frolick. Don't listen to this lady. You are part of my posse! :x
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