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December 2015 Moms
Ken122014
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PSA- guns in homes
Ken122014
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I know we had a discussion about this long ago, that turned into quite a debate. I just want to put out this article for those of you who think "hiding a gun up high" is safe enough. No, I don't want to take away your guns. Just be responsible and get a safe! Ok, that is all.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/chicago-child-fatally-shoots-toddler-brother-during-game?utm_term=.lul5kzKwJJ#.wmXW12PrLL
https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/chicago-child-fatally-shoots-toddler-brother-during-game?utm_term=.lul5kzKwJJ#.wmXW12PrLL
Re: PSA- guns in homes
This guy was an idiot who stuck a loaded pistol on top of his refrigerator. His poor son was set up to fail and that boy will forever carry the guilt of killing his baby brother. So sad and so preventable.
*typo
My husband is a hunter so we have guns and bows in our house but they do not come into the house loaded or without the safety on and then they are put straight in the safe. We also have talked to our daughter about gun safety (not that she really understand yet) but she knows that's something she can't touch until she is much much older.
These situations do give gun owners a bad name. Growing up my dad had hunting rifles locked up in a safe. When my sisters and I were old enough, he would show us how to use them. By doing that he took the "mystery" of them away.
We do have an unloaded gun too, that is locked. So I definitely agree with everyone. I don't know how you can say "it was put away" when it was on top of the fridge, loaded.
@mrwphillips serious question- I'm ok with a locked cabinet, the guns are still locked. But having them behind glass... If an intruder breaks into your house when you're away, don't you feel like it's too easy for them to steal your guns?! I understand wanting to have easy access to your guns in case of an emergency, that makes total sense. Idk, I had a friend who had lots of guns in her home, and they were in a locked closet in the guest room. Her husband basically turned the closet into a safe by making it impossible to "break" into. (I put "break" because Idk if the lock itself could be broken, but the walls were like metal or something.) Again, serious question, not meaning to start anything
DH and I are both CHL holders. Gun safety is very important in our household.
ETA: This is the one we have, and it is fantastic: https://www.thegunbox.com/cart/products/the-gun-box-premier
I'm from the UK so I've literary never seen a gun!
This makes more sense. Reinforced means you can't easily break it, but is still breakable with a lot of force right? Even without the bullets loaded or right there, the intruders having all of your guns wouldn't be good though. I mean, maybe they can't wait around and shoot since they don't have bullets, but now they have multiple guns and all they have to do is get their hands on some ammunition and there ya go.
And I feel like these last two comments of mine might make it more of a debate, hopefully I'm not steering it negatively. I'm just writing my genuine thoughts and concerns
Amen! Stuff comes out the barrel, let's make sure we know where it's going and what it is.....
Not something I'd thought about, but that's a good compromise to simply not even allowing toy guns.
IMO this goes hand-in-hand with our society's "me" centered attitude. Kids are being raised to believe that they have the right to never have their feelings hurt and to never be insulted by someone else's thoughts/ideas (many adults in my generation seem to feel this as well). This is wrong, it isn't about governing everyone else to make sure an individual isn't offended (or hurt) - it's about teaching individuals that they are responsible for their own actions (and their own feelings). If you choose to own a gun, you are making a choice to (or not to) practice gun safety and you are the one that has to live with your choices. While I abhor the thought of a child being injured or killed because the parents choose not to practice proper safety measures, the answer is not to limit everyone's ability to own a gun but to hold the parents responsible.
I'm pretty sure this thread is full of people who are law-abiding citizens who understand the value of teaching a child how to safely handle a firearm. Taking legally obtained guns away from law-abiding citizens doesn't solve any problems, it just removed the ability to protect oneself and others from criminals who will get them illegally anyway. Just because we own guns doesn't mean we want to use them.
I wish I could love this twice!! So true!
Im not trying to start a debate, but what about when Hitler took away guns from the Jews in Germany in 1938? This group of people were left without a way to defend themselves or their families. Taking away people's rights to guns is not the answer.
ETA this statement isn't directed at you @taysun!
Children are bitten by family dogs on a daily basis. Most of these accidents are totally avoidable - parents were not supervising their child with the animal or not teaching them appropriate behavior/ways of handling the pet are leading causes for Fido to bite a child. This could be resolved by banning dogs in homes. Obviously since owners have proven that they cannot control their child around a pet (or train a pet appropriately) that means we should regulate pet ownership by restricting EVERYONE from owning a dog. Right? I mean, a dangerous dog can cause an accidental death just as easily as an unsecured firearm in a home can.
Gun violence at schools and mass shootings are a tragedy. Most times, though, the weapons were obtained illegally. Also, you don't need a gun if you are intent on hurting a large amount of people. Look at 9/11. Or the Boston bombing. People who intend to do harm on a large scale will find a way if they cannot obtain a firearm.
The war on drugs and the prohibition are perfect examples why taking something away will not work. It is very sad that some people fail to adhere to their responsibilities that come with privilege of owning a firearm, but if someone is mentally ill they will find a way to hurt those who have "wronged" them. Felons will find a way to obtain weapons they are legally barred from being in possession of. A heroin addict will find a way to shoot up, a pill head will find a way to get a fix, a drug dealer will find a way to cook and sell. The issue is not the product, the issue is society.
I am glad the media is covering these incidents so well because there should be awareness raised for people to be more responsible. As a responsible gun owner and handler myself, I would very much like to see statistics of how many legal firearm owners commit crimes with their weapons vs the crimes committed with illegally obtained firearms.
Great point! Not to mention that people will find other ways to harm and kill others. Fatal knife stabbings are on the rise, does that mean we ban knives too? https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/nyregion/28knives.html?_r=0
Mental illness is often seen as taboo, therefore is ignored and the person is outcast and then likely bullied. It's a vicious circle. No amount of gun laws, strict or not strict, will fix the true issue behind mass shootings.
Edited for forgotten word.
I also find it ironic that celebrities and political leaders often condemn gun rights while they utilize personal security that does carry weapons to defend them.
My child is not going to be in a home with an unsecured firearm. My husband and I practice gun safety and as a parent it is my responsibility to ask parents of my children's friends if a) they have a firearm in their home and b) is that firearm(s) secure? If I don't like their answer, my child won't be in their home unsupervised. Of course, if my child was injured or killed in a mass shooting I would be ruined at the loss of my baby. But I would appropriately blame the person(s) responsible for it and not just cry out that gun control (or lack thereof) was the ultimate cause of my grief.
To those of you who have firearms in your home for protection purposes, is that a real concern you have? Are break ins common? Is your home always locked when you are in it to protect yourself?
I'm asking truly for learning purposes, so I hope to come across as sincere and not stirring the pot. I'm Canadian and many people have hunting weapons etc., but our laws about obtaining guns are quite different.