Yup I got mine already! It's fine - just trust your dr. It's what they are there for we also made sure everyone had their booster when my first daughter was born too.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
The hospital that I will be delivering at will give the vaccine to all family members who will be in regular contact with the baby for free.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
There were 4,600 cases of whooping cough and 3 infant deaths in 2013 in the UK, the babies were too young to be vaccinated but the mother had not been vaccinated during pregnancy either. The other infants survived due to the mother being vaccinated.
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. They are, however, our best line of defense from the diseases they are meant to protect against. As long as about 80% of the general public receives an effective dose (which they are more often than not), that's where herd immunity comes into play and protects those who can't receive vaccines for one reason or another. When a pregnant mother is vaccinated, provided that her vaccine is effective, that immunity is passed on to her baby prior to the baby being born.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
All of the babies who don't die won't matter to you if you're the mother of the unlikely baby that does die from whooping cough. That's how I look at it.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
All of the babies who don't die won't matter to you if you're the mother of the unlikely baby that does die from whooping cough. That's how I look at it.
And the only babies who died in the UK in 2013 were from mothers who didn't get vaccinated during pregnancy.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. They are, however, our best line of defense from the diseases they are meant to protect against. As long as about 80% of the general public receives an effective dose (which they are more often than not), that's where herd immunity comes into play and protects those who can't receive vaccines for one reason or another. When a pregnant mother is vaccinated, provided that her vaccine is effective, that immunity is passed on to her baby prior to the baby being born.
What's your point? I'm not arguing against not getting vaccinated when pregnant, I'm saying that the only country who pushes vaccines onto the wider family is the U.S.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. They are, however, our best line of defense from the diseases they are meant to protect against. As long as about 80% of the general public receives an effective dose (which they are more often than not), that's where herd immunity comes into play and protects those who can't receive vaccines for one reason or another. When a pregnant mother is vaccinated, provided that her vaccine is effective, that immunity is passed on to her baby prior to the baby being born.
What's your point? I'm not arguing against not getting vaccinated when pregnant, I'm saying that the only country who pushes vaccines onto the wider family is the U.S.
I was more referencing the last line of your post, in which you stated you got whooping cough as a toddler despite being vaccinated. This particular vaccine requires boosters every ten years to remain effective, from what I understand, BUT as long as the baby's mother gets vaccinated during pregnancy and is able to pass along that immunity, I'm in the same boat with not understanding the want/need to have everybody in contact with the baby re-vaccinated for the baby's sake.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. They are, however, our best line of defense from the diseases they are meant to protect against. As long as about 80% of the general public receives an effective dose (which they are more often than not), that's where herd immunity comes into play and protects those who can't receive vaccines for one reason or another. When a pregnant mother is vaccinated, provided that her vaccine is effective, that immunity is passed on to her baby prior to the baby being born.
What's your point? I'm not arguing against not getting vaccinated when pregnant, I'm saying that the only country who pushes vaccines onto the wider family is the U.S.
I was more referencing the last line of your post, in which you stated you got whooping cough as a toddler despite being vaccinated. This particular vaccine requires boosters every ten years to remain effective, from what I understand, BUT as long as the baby's mother gets vaccinated during pregnancy and is able to pass along that immunity, I'm in the same boat with not understanding the want/need to have everybody in contact with the baby re-vaccinated for the baby's sake.
The way my dr explained it to me is that getting vaccinated while pregnant passes some immunity on to the baby, but it is not as effective as getting the vaccine directly. Anyone who will be near the newborn a sigificant amount of time it is recommended for because the baby still has a chance of getting it even if mom was vaccinated. Other than mom my dr said if they were vaccinated in the past 5 years no need to get it again. The vaccine does officially last 10 years but it is not as effective the longer since you had the vaccine. I mentioned it to both my parents before DS, my dad had recently gotten it because they were giving them away for free at the senior center, but that was the first booster he had since he was a kid. My mom honestly could not remember if she had one or not, so she got it before DS was born. It is just a good reminder for others to get updated because most adults are outdated on the tdap shot anyway.
Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. They are, however, our best line of defense from the diseases they are meant to protect against. As long as about 80% of the general public receives an effective dose (which they are more often than not), that's where herd immunity comes into play and protects those who can't receive vaccines for one reason or another. When a pregnant mother is vaccinated, provided that her vaccine is effective, that immunity is passed on to her baby prior to the baby being born.
What's your point? I'm not arguing against not getting vaccinated when pregnant, I'm saying that the only country who pushes vaccines onto the wider family is the U.S.
I was more referencing the last line of your post, in which you stated you got whooping cough as a toddler despite being vaccinated. This particular vaccine requires boosters every ten years to remain effective, from what I understand, BUT as long as the baby's mother gets vaccinated during pregnancy and is able to pass along that immunity, I'm in the same boat with not understanding the want/need to have everybody in contact with the baby re-vaccinated for the baby's sake.
The way my dr explained it to me is that getting vaccinated while pregnant passes some immunity on to the baby, but it is not as effective as getting the vaccine directly. Anyone who will be near the newborn a sigificant amount of time it is recommended for because the baby still has a chance of getting it even if mom was vaccinated. Other than mom my dr said if they were vaccinated in the past 5 years no need to get it again. The vaccine does officially last 10 years but it is not as effective the longer since you had the vaccine. I mentioned it to both my parents before DS, my dad had recently gotten it because they were giving them away for free at the senior center, but that was the first booster he had since he was a kid. My mom honestly could not remember if she had one or not, so she got it before DS was born. It is just a good reminder for others to get updated because most adults are outdated on the tdap shot anyway.
------- This. You getting vaccinated passes on some immunity to your infant but it's not perfect by any means. If a family member comes down with whooping cough your child will still likely be sick. The recommendation is that they have had the shot in the last 5 years, not with each pregnancy. And just because a child doesn't die doesn't mean you don't need to protect them from the disease.
The whooping sound in whooping cough comes from the forceful inhalation of air after the extreme coughing fits. Infants don't have the musculature to inhale this forcefully therefore don't usually make that sound however that also means they are not as effective at inhaling. This causes their oxygen levels to drop and carbon dioxide levels to rise. You are literally watching your child suffocate after each coughing fit. Often, because an infants brain has an immature response to the rise in carbon dioxide they will stop breathing all together. Most infants require some sort of respiratory support including being put on a ventilator to breath. Some infants require ECMO where huge tubing is placed surgically in the babies neck and all the blood is circulated through a machine to work as the heart and lungs while the baby is paralyzed. A lot of babies who need this have life long developmental delays. None of these babies are counted in the deaths so unless you are ok with risking all of this, "only" 3 babies dieing in the UK last year doesn't mean much to me.
My hospital makes about 50 cents with each vaccine administration. It makes millions for a whooping cough hospitalization. If this was about money the medical world would discourage vaccines so we could reap the financial benefits of all those illnesses.
On a side note, I don't think people realize how incredibly offensive it is when you suggest that someone in the medical community is doing something without cause or that could actually harm a patient for financial gain. I work over 100 hours a week putting the needs of my family and my Heath second to the needs and health of my patients and their families. There are a thousand jobs out there with better financial incentives and less hours along with years less of training if money is the primary objective. Your doctor takes the time to go over these recommendations with you because they care about you and your baby.
In Alberta, the way it was explained to me is that I get topped up at their 2 month vaccinations because I'll pass it on during breastfeeding. I wasn't given anything while pregnant with my daughter 2 years ago. I got some needles in the hospital after she was born, no idea what as those first days were an extreme blur. But at her 2 month vaccinations I was given a few because I was breastfeeding and she insisted I get them. They were offered to my husband but the nurse said it wasn't as important for him to have them, he said no but she made him get tetanus shot due to his line of work and it had been almost 10 years since he had one!
Any other Canadians on this thread? If so, has it been brought up to you? I'm curious now as to why we don't do this in Alberta!
Why do people have to say bad things and degrade the medical care here in the U.S? We have the best healthcare in the world available to us here and people travel from all over the world to get care here! Also, I agree with PP's that the money isn't in vaccines and trying to vaccinate everyone----they want whole families vaccinated for the reason that these illnesses are easily spread and if you look up whooping cough it's a slow and horrible death for babies, so I want people who will be around my son vaccinated by all means!
I work in pharmaceutical research, it is incredibly offensive for someone to imply the big pharma is just in it for the money. Companies and their employees spend millions of dollars and 15 to 20 years developing these medications. Obviously the company has to make some money, or else we would be unable to develop more drugs. For every successful drug there is 5 failed compounds, and if a drug fails late in development it can be devastating to some companies. That being said, there is no money in vaccinations, and often companies don't make much more than cost for many vaccinations. In addition, doctors offices can often lose money on vaccinations.
Many pharmacies in the US can administer both the Tdap and flu shots and many prescription insurances cover this. No prescription required (in OH for sure). Better business hours than a Dr office and probably less time wasted too!
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
The problem is that the Tdap is widely known and proven to lose effectiveness after about 10 years putting children at risk from grandparents, caretakers etc.
My Dr and hospital in the US offer them free of charge for the health and safety of children. I'm not sure how much money is actually made off the free vaccinations but I can't imagine much since OOP they run around $15 at the pharmacy vax clinics.
In Alberta, the way it was explained to me is that I get topped up at their 2 month vaccinations because I'll pass it on during breastfeeding. I wasn't given anything while pregnant with my daughter 2 years ago. I got some needles in the hospital after she was born, no idea what as those first days were an extreme blur. But at her 2 month vaccinations I was given a few because I was breastfeeding and she insisted I get them. They were offered to my husband but the nurse said it wasn't as important for him to have them, he said no but she made him get tetanus shot due to his line of work and it had been almost 10 years since he had one!
Any other Canadians on this thread? If so, has it been brought up to you? I'm curious now as to why we don't do this in Alberta!
I'm in Alberta as well, I got the shot after my first was born. So about 3 years ago. Haven't gotten one since, and probably won't. It lasts 10 years then I'll get a booster. That's how it was explained to me.
In Alberta, the way it was explained to me is that I get topped up at their 2 month vaccinations because I'll pass it on during breastfeeding. I wasn't given anything while pregnant with my daughter 2 years ago. I got some needles in the hospital after she was born, no idea what as those first days were an extreme blur. But at her 2 month vaccinations I was given a few because I was breastfeeding and she insisted I get them. They were offered to my husband but the nurse said it wasn't as important for him to have them, he said no but she made him get tetanus shot due to his line of work and it had been almost 10 years since he had one!
Any other Canadians on this thread? If so, has it been brought up to you? I'm curious now as to why we don't do this in Alberta!
I'm in Alberta as well, I got the shot after my first was born. So about 3 years ago. Haven't gotten one since, and probably won't. It lasts 10 years then I'll get a booster. That's how it was explained to me.
Okay same as me! I got it after my daughter was born 2 years ago. I guess we have different guidelines in Canada!
In Alberta, the way it was explained to me is that I get topped up at their 2 month vaccinations because I'll pass it on during breastfeeding. I wasn't given anything while pregnant with my daughter 2 years ago. I got some needles in the hospital after she was born, no idea what as those first days were an extreme blur. But at her 2 month vaccinations I was given a few because I was breastfeeding and she insisted I get them. They were offered to my husband but the nurse said it wasn't as important for him to have them, he said no but she made him get tetanus shot due to his line of work and it had been almost 10 years since he had one!
Any other Canadians on this thread? If so, has it been brought up to you? I'm curious now as to why we don't do this in Alberta!
I'm in Alberta as well, I got the shot after my first was born. So about 3 years ago. Haven't gotten one since, and probably won't. It lasts 10 years then I'll get a booster. That's how it was explained to me.
Okay same as me! I got it after my daughter was born 2 years ago. I guess we have different guidelines in Canada!
They are very new in the U.S. It's just with in the last year that they started recommending getting the shot with every pregnancy. It may not have caught in everywhere yet. Or they might be following the studies that show every 10 years is enough.
Many adult Americans only go to the doctor when they're sick so they frequently miss getting topped up on their vaccines therefore the herd immunity that should be there is probably not in the US adult population. This might be especially true among older generations who are often even less likely to see physicians unless they are ill so the recommendation for all family members to be vaccinated works as a way to promote the herd immunity that should be there anyway, but probably isn't.
If there's something strange underneath the hood. Who you gonna call? Your Doctor. If there's something weird and it don't look good. Who you gonna call? Your Doctor. Immediately. If it's new, painful, and possibly pregnancy related get your ass off the internet and call your doctor. It's for your health and your child's.
Many adult Americans only go to the doctor when they're sick so they frequently miss getting topped up on their vaccines therefore the herd immunity that should be there is probably not in the US adult population. This might be especially true among older generations who are often even less likely to see physicians unless they are ill so the recommendation for all family members to be vaccinated works as a way to promote the herd immunity that should be there anyway, but probably isn't.
That's what we get for having expensive health care. I know I'd be more likely to get checked out if I wasn't afraid it'd cost me an arm and a leg. I have been more willing to go since being pregnant, though, since it's not just me I need to worry about.
As for the vaccine, it hasn't been mentioned to me yet, but my 28w appointment isn't until Thursday.
My OB highly recommended I get a flu shot while pregnant specifically because my husband is deathly allergic to an ingredient in the flu shot and can't get it, and he works in a law firm where a) he's going to court and dealing with the public with some frequency and b) his office environment is the type that people will totally come in while sick, so its important for me to pass as much immunity as I can to baby. OB said their office won't do it, I could make an appointment with our family doctor but he's so backed up it'll be a month long wait. All the pharmacies around here offer them without an appointment, so I'll probably do that.
IDK about the TDAP. I got a tetanus booster last year but not the full TDAP (sliced my finger on some dirty sheet metal, urgent care didn't think the TDAP would be covered by my insurance for some reason) and I don't know how close together you can get tetanus boosters.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
There were 4,600 cases of whooping cough and 3 infant deaths in 2013 in the UK, the babies were too young to be vaccinated but the mother had not been vaccinated during pregnancy either. The other infants survived due to the mother being vaccinated.
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Why should any child did due to a preventable disease. Regardless of whether the mother was vax if the rest of the family was there may have been enough herd immunity to save those poor babies. And those who didn't die still had to suffer needlessly because their caretakers are too selfish to get one little shot. In the US we know we've got a ton a BSC antivaxxers which means trying to get others to be responsible with vax for those who aren't able to be. Most places this is a cheap or free service. It's not about making pharma money it's about saving children. In 2013 & 2014 combined there were 8009 cases in the UK and 28660 in the US. The US has a population 5x as large. If the US were on the same trend as the UK we'd have 40000 cases in that time span. I wonder why there is less instances of a potentially fatal yet preventable problem. Ah yes it must be this magic thing called herd immunity and caregiver vaccination.
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
There were 4,600 cases of whooping cough and 3 infant deaths in 2013 in the UK, the babies were too young to be vaccinated but the mother had not been vaccinated during pregnancy either. The other infants survived due to the mother being vaccinated.
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Why should any child did due to a preventable disease. Regardless of whether the mother was vax if the rest of the family was there may have been enough herd immunity to save those poor babies. And those who didn't die still had to suffer needlessly because their caretakers are too selfish to get one little shot. In the US we know we've got a ton a BSC antivaxxers which means trying to get others to be responsible with vax for those who aren't able to be. Most places this is a cheap or free service. It's not about making pharma money it's about saving children. In 2013 & 2014 combined there were 8009 cases in the UK and 28660 in the US. The US has a population 5x as large. If the US were on the same trend as the UK we'd have 40000 cases in that time span. I wonder why there is less instances of a potentially fatal yet preventable problem. Ah yes it must be this magic thing called herd immunity and caregiver vaccination.
I read your figures and it tweaked my interest, I'm from neither the UK or USA so thought I'd look up my own countries figures. Anyway in the google results the CDC gave the USA figures for both 2013 and 2014 which were 28639 and 28660 respectfully, so totaling 50k+. One thing I did find out is that many countries, including both UK and USA saw a significant increase in reported cases in 2012, figures not seen that high since the 50's. Perhaps the countries just took different approaches to how they addressed this ? What we see/hear at our doctors etc is the path the relevant health board took. The good news is that both seem to be working as the figures have fallen significantly since, approx 50% so hopefully this downward trend will continue. :-)
I should ask at my next appointment. Strange it isn't something done in Canada, or well not done by my OB. I had this same OB with my daughter 2 years ago.
It's only been routinely offered in the UK since October 2012. I think that's when there was a rise in the number of whooping cough cases reported.
I find it a bit of an overkill that the U.S. tells mothers that everyone who comes into contact with the baby needs it. But I guess the drug companies like to make their money, so why sell just 1 vaccine when you can get a whole family of 5 or more.
Please don't add the the big pharma conspiracy theories on vaccines. The current cdc recommendation is that anyone who has significant contact (such as close family or caregivers) should have gotten a booster in the last 5 years. 95% of infants who contract whooping cough get it from someone close to them. I've had whooping cough. For the first week it feels like a minor cold but you are incredibly contagious the entire time. I've also watched multiple infants die of whooping cough and while I won't post the details here, it's a horrible death. The current recommendation it to protect your infant not to make money.
If that's the case then why are there not more infant deaths in other countries who only recommend the mother gets the vaccine whilst pregnant?
There were 4,600 cases of whooping cough and 3 infant deaths in 2013 in the UK, the babies were too young to be vaccinated but the mother had not been vaccinated during pregnancy either. The other infants survived due to the mother being vaccinated.
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Why should any child did due to a preventable disease. Regardless of whether the mother was vax if the rest of the family was there may have been enough herd immunity to save those poor babies. And those who didn't die still had to suffer needlessly because their caretakers are too selfish to get one little shot. In the US we know we've got a ton a BSC antivaxxers which means trying to get others to be responsible with vax for those who aren't able to be. Most places this is a cheap or free service. It's not about making pharma money it's about saving children. In 2013 & 2014 combined there were 8009 cases in the UK and 28660 in the US. The US has a population 5x as large. If the US were on the same trend as the UK we'd have 40000 cases in that time span. I wonder why there is less instances of a potentially fatal yet preventable problem. Ah yes it must be this magic thing called herd immunity and caregiver vaccination.
I read your figures and it tweaked my interest, I'm from neither the UK or USA so thought I'd look up my own countries figures. Anyway in the google results the CDC gave the USA figures for both 2013 and 2014 which were 28639 and 28660 respectfully, so totaling 50k+. One thing I did find out is that many countries, including both UK and USA saw a significant increase in reported cases in 2012, figures not seen that high since the 50's. Perhaps the countries just took different approaches to how they addressed this ? What we see/hear at our doctors etc is the path the relevant health board took. The good news is that both seem to be working as the figures have fallen significantly since, approx 50% so hopefully this downward trend will continue. :-)
------ You are right those falling numbers are a good thing. What is bothering me is that I'm at a loss for why @TacoSarah believes the US trying to cast a wider net of prevention is such a terrible idea and making money for "big pharma" when most vax are cheap or free.
In 2013 there were 3 in the UK and 9 in the US. That's too many! In my state, which is not an antivax zone the cases are in the 220's. That's nuts! Children dying from a Victorian era preventable illness. "Only 3 deaths" is not a good enough reason to try harder for a better place for our children such nonchalance and arrogance.
My question is - if you got your Tdap this pregnancy, was your arm sore as all f$&@ ??? OMG. I got mine yesterday at my 28 week appointment. Today, I can barely move my arm in certain directions. I called my doctor and they said it is normal... I understand that vaccines often times make you sore but this is completely different. I probably sound like a huge baby but it hurts bad
For everyone saying that they've had the tdap before, it will not benefit your baby unless you get it during THIS pregnancy.
https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/pregnant/mom/get-vaccinated.html
My question is - if you got your Tdap this pregnancy, was your arm sore as all f$&@ ??? OMG. I got mine yesterday at my 28 week appointment. Today, I can barely move my arm in certain directions. I called my doctor and they said it is normal... I understand that vaccines often times make you sore but this is completely different. I probably sound like a huge baby but it hurts bad
I've heard that the whooping cough part of it is bad, which I can't attest to as I haven't had it by itself within memory. What I can say is that I had a tetanus booster in high school, and it made my arm sore for a couple of days, just like the Tdap did.
I didn't have to get it but was told I could. Made my SO go with me today and we both got ours. I also got my flu shot. My arms sore all the way into my neck.
@brianna91chavez mine isn't due for another couple of weeks, but when I got the whooping cough vaccine during my last pregnancy I remember being surprised at how sore my arm was. It passed after a few days but I couldn't sleep on that side.
My question is - if you got your Tdap this pregnancy, was your arm sore as all f$&@ ??? OMG. I got mine yesterday at my 28 week appointment. Today, I can barely move my arm in certain directions. I called my doctor and they said it is normal... I understand that vaccines often times make you sore but this is completely different. I probably sound like a huge baby but it hurts bad
My arm hurt for a week.. The sight where they gave me the vaccine got really swollen and when the nurse at the ER massaged it I almost screamed and punched the nurse in the face.. I couldn't really lift my arm all the way for a few days because it was too painful and I couldn't sleep on my right side because of the pain.. No your not alone!!
I just learned about this because Northern Alberta, Canada has just announced an outbreak of it. I'll be sure as heck getting this vaccine to protect the little one and so will daddy. I've also warned that if anyone wants to see the baby before he's two, they better go get it too. From what I've read, this vaccine becomes pretty non-existent if you don't keep up on it.
I just learned about this because Northern Alberta, Canada has just announced an outbreak of it. I'll be sure as heck getting this vaccine to protect the little one and so will daddy. I've also warned that if anyone wants to see the baby before he's two, they better go get it too. From what I've read, this vaccine becomes pretty non-existent if you don't keep up on it.
How are you going to control everyone who sees your baby for 2 years?
I just learned about this because Northern Alberta, Canada has just announced an outbreak of it. I'll be sure as heck getting this vaccine to protect the little one and so will daddy. I've also warned that if anyone wants to see the baby before he's two, they better go get it too. From what I've read, this vaccine becomes pretty non-existent if you don't keep up on it.
How are you going to control everyone who sees your baby for 2 years?
I assume she's a stay at home mom and that's she's probably talking more about family members and those whom she plans to have frequent contact with since she's already warned them.
If there's something strange underneath the hood. Who you gonna call? Your Doctor. If there's something weird and it don't look good. Who you gonna call? Your Doctor. Immediately. If it's new, painful, and possibly pregnancy related get your ass off the internet and call your doctor. It's for your health and your child's.
IDK about the TDAP. I got a tetanus booster last year but not the full TDAP (sliced my finger on some dirty sheet metal, urgent care didn't think the TDAP would be covered by my insurance for some reason) and I don't know how close together you can get tetanus boosters.
I'd certainly ask your OB about that but I actually ended up getting a TDAP required for university less than a year after getting a regular tetanus booster because I got bit by a mouse at work (still not sure how germ free mouse bite translates into needing a tetanus shot but whatever). So if they gave me the TDAP just to fill a university requirement when I wasn't really at risk, I'm guessing that they'll want to give you one since it's important for protecting your baby.
IDK about the TDAP. I got a tetanus booster last year but not the full TDAP (sliced my finger on some dirty sheet metal, urgent care didn't think the TDAP would be covered by my insurance for some reason) and I don't know how close together you can get tetanus boosters.
I'd certainly ask your OB about that but I actually ended up getting a TDAP required for university less than a year after getting a regular tetanus booster because I got bit by a mouse at work (still not sure how germ free mouse bite translates into needing a tetanus shot but whatever). So if they gave me the TDAP just to fill a university requirement when I wasn't really at risk, I'm guessing that they'll want to give you one since it's important for protecting your baby. ----quote fail--- How is a mouse bite "germ free"?
IDK about the TDAP. I got a tetanus booster last year but not the full TDAP (sliced my finger on some dirty sheet metal, urgent care didn't think the TDAP would be covered by my insurance for some reason) and I don't know how close together you can get tetanus boosters.
I'd certainly ask your OB about that but I actually ended up getting a TDAP required for university less than a year after getting a regular tetanus booster because I got bit by a mouse at work (still not sure how germ free mouse bite translates into needing a tetanus shot but whatever). So if they gave me the TDAP just to fill a university requirement when I wasn't really at risk, I'm guessing that they'll want to give you one since it's important for protecting your baby.
----quote fail---
How is a mouse bite "germ free"?
That was the first thing that came to my mind reading that, too.
Re: Tdap (whooping cough) vaccine
There were 4,600 cases of whooping cough and 3 infant deaths in 2013 in the UK, the babies were too young to be vaccinated but the mother had not been vaccinated during pregnancy either. The other infants survived due to the mother being vaccinated.
I had whooping cough when I was 3, I was vaccinated as a baby.
Vaccines are not 100 percent effective. They are, however, our best line of defense from the diseases they are meant to protect against. As long as about 80% of the general public receives an effective dose (which they are more often than not), that's where herd immunity comes into play and protects those who can't receive vaccines for one reason or another. When a pregnant mother is vaccinated, provided that her vaccine is effective, that immunity is passed on to her baby prior to the baby being born.
What's your point? I'm not arguing against not getting vaccinated when pregnant, I'm saying that the only country who pushes vaccines onto the wider family is the U.S.
The way my dr explained it to me is that getting vaccinated while pregnant passes some immunity on to the baby, but it is not as effective as getting the vaccine directly. Anyone who will be near the newborn a sigificant amount of time it is recommended for because the baby still has a chance of getting it even if mom was vaccinated. Other than mom my dr said if they were vaccinated in the past 5 years no need to get it again. The vaccine does officially last 10 years but it is not as effective the longer since you had the vaccine.
I mentioned it to both my parents before DS, my dad had recently gotten it because they were giving them away for free at the senior center, but that was the first booster he had since he was a kid. My mom honestly could not remember if she had one or not, so she got it before DS was born. It is just a good reminder for others to get updated because most adults are outdated on the tdap shot anyway.
I mentioned it to both my parents before DS, my dad had recently gotten it because they were giving them away for free at the senior center, but that was the first booster he had since he was a kid. My mom honestly could not remember if she had one or not, so she got it before DS was born. It is just a good reminder for others to get updated because most adults are outdated on the tdap shot anyway.
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This. You getting vaccinated passes on some immunity to your infant but it's not perfect by any means. If a family member comes down with whooping cough your child will still likely be sick. The recommendation is that they have had the shot in the last 5 years, not with each pregnancy. And just because a child doesn't die doesn't mean you don't need to protect them from the disease.
The whooping sound in whooping cough comes from the forceful inhalation of air after the extreme coughing fits. Infants don't have the musculature to inhale this forcefully therefore don't usually make that sound however that also means they are not as effective at inhaling. This causes their oxygen levels to drop and carbon dioxide levels to rise. You are literally watching your child suffocate after each coughing fit. Often, because an infants brain has an immature response to the rise in carbon dioxide they will stop breathing all together. Most infants require some sort of respiratory support including being put on a ventilator to breath. Some infants require ECMO where huge tubing is placed surgically in the babies neck and all the blood is circulated through a machine to work as the heart and lungs while the baby is paralyzed. A lot of babies who need this have life long developmental delays. None of these babies are counted in the deaths so unless you are ok with risking all of this, "only" 3 babies dieing in the UK last year doesn't mean much to me.
My hospital makes about 50 cents with each vaccine administration. It makes millions for a whooping cough hospitalization. If this was about money the medical world would discourage vaccines so we could reap the financial benefits of all those illnesses.
On a side note, I don't think people realize how incredibly offensive it is when you suggest that someone in the medical community is doing something without cause or that could actually harm a patient for financial gain. I work over 100 hours a week putting the needs of my family and my Heath second to the needs and health of my patients and their families. There are a thousand jobs out there with better financial incentives and less hours along with years less of training if money is the primary objective. Your doctor takes the time to go over these recommendations with you because they care about you and your baby.
Sorry for the rant.
Edited to separate the quote from the reply.
Any other Canadians on this thread? If so, has it been brought up to you? I'm curious now as to why we don't do this in Alberta!
That being said, there is no money in vaccinations, and often companies don't make much more than cost for many vaccinations. In addition, doctors offices can often lose money on vaccinations.
My Dr and hospital in the US offer them free of charge for the health and safety of children. I'm not sure how much money is actually made off the free vaccinations but I can't imagine much since OOP they run around $15 at the pharmacy vax clinics.
As for the vaccine, it hasn't been mentioned to me yet, but my 28w appointment isn't until Thursday.
My OB highly recommended I get a flu shot while pregnant specifically because my husband is deathly allergic to an ingredient in the flu shot and can't get it, and he works in a law firm where a) he's going to court and dealing with the public with some frequency and b) his office environment is the type that people will totally come in while sick, so its important for me to pass as much immunity as I can to baby. OB said their office won't do it, I could make an appointment with our family doctor but he's so backed up it'll be a month long wait. All the pharmacies around here offer them without an appointment, so I'll probably do that.
IDK about the TDAP. I got a tetanus booster last year but not the full TDAP (sliced my finger on some dirty sheet metal, urgent care didn't think the TDAP would be covered by my insurance for some reason) and I don't know how close together you can get tetanus boosters.
One thing I did find out is that many countries, including both UK and USA saw a significant increase in reported cases in 2012, figures not seen that high since the 50's. Perhaps the countries just took different approaches to how they addressed this ? What we see/hear at our doctors etc is the path the relevant health board took. The good news is that both seem to be working as the figures have fallen significantly since, approx 50% so hopefully this downward trend will continue. :-)
You are right those falling numbers are a good thing. What is bothering me is that I'm at a loss for why @TacoSarah believes the US trying to cast a wider net of prevention is such a terrible idea and making money for "big pharma" when most vax are cheap or free.
In 2013 there were 3 in the UK and 9 in the US. That's too many! In my state, which is not an antivax zone the cases are in the 220's. That's nuts! Children dying from a Victorian era preventable illness. "Only 3 deaths" is not a good enough reason to try harder for a better place for our children such nonchalance and arrogance.
https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/pregnant/mom/get-vaccinated.html
My question is - if you got your Tdap this pregnancy, was your arm sore as all f$&@ ??? OMG. I got mine yesterday at my 28 week appointment. Today, I can barely move my arm in certain directions. I called my doctor and they said it is normal... I understand that vaccines often times make you sore but this is completely different. I probably sound like a huge baby but it hurts bad
My arm hurt for a week.. The sight where they gave me the vaccine got really swollen and when the nurse at the ER massaged it I almost screamed and punched the nurse in the face.. I couldn't really lift my arm all the way for a few days because it was too painful and I couldn't sleep on my right side because of the pain.. No your not alone!!
----quote fail---
How is a mouse bite "germ free"?