HCG's and Gender?

myparkers7 · August 2015

Has anyone else heard of that HCG levels in early pregnancy can be a good indicator on what gender your having? I read a few studies and it seems fairly legit. It would fun to see if it were accurate for those that know their levels.

TheBorg7of9 · August 2015

Nope

myparkers7 · August 2015

Awesome..

QueenWaldorf4 · August 2015

Just a friendly fyi:
Gender is sociological and sex (the term you're looking for) physical.

jonesl12 · August 2015

Sex! The sex not gender. Gender comes later. Read up
https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

hazel14rich · August 2015

It amazes me, the things people can get so butthurt about.

myparkers7 · August 2015

LISTEN I am a well educated woman, I know what the difference is. Although terms have separate definitions the two words are and can be interchangeable. It's not an offensive term!!! I FREAKING get it!!!! I am not a idiot!! It was supposed to be a fun post, but of course that's not "bump style" is it?!?

JaysensMom · August 2015

I've never heard of it @myparkers7 but if be interested to read on it! What did it say? I'm only 4 weeks and 1 day so I've got time before I find that out anyways lol but I like guessing.

myparkers7 · August 2015

Thank you @JaysensMom the studies just stated that those with higher initial hcg's in singleton pregnancies are more likely to have a girl. At 4W0D I was at 126 and 4W5D I was at 1178 so I'm assuming that's a lower beta count and I would be having a boy.

hazel14rich · August 2015

myparkers7 said:
LISTEN I am a well educated woman, I know what the difference is. Although terms have separate definitions the two words are and can be interchangeable. It's not an offensive term!!! I FREAKING get it!!!! I am not a idiot!! It was supposed to be a fun post, but of course that's not "bump style" is it?!?

It amazes me because the people who get offended by it are also the people who buy "gender specific" clothing for their babies just as well as the rest of us.

JaysensMom · August 2015

Mine was 59.4 on 4 weeks 0 days. Lol that was yesterday and Monday I go in to make sure they've doubled. If that's the case looks like another boy for me. Lol

loreeann86 · August 2015

I've never heard this. But sounds fun to look into. I'm not sure of my HCG levels though...I don't even remember finding them out with my first baby.

myparkers7 · August 2015

@loreeann86 I asked for my just because I was curious. Did you have a beta count drawn?

QueenWaldorf4 · August 2015

myparkers7 said:
LISTEN I am a well educated woman, I know what the difference is. Although terms have separate definitions the two words are and can be interchangeable. It's not an offensive term!!! I FREAKING get it!!!! I am not a idiot!! It was supposed to be a fun post, but of course that's not "bump style" is it?!?

I was really nice to you and informative.
The change starts one person at a time so why not be that change?
I am in no way "butthurt" but the improper term is hurtful to some so why not use it to avoid hurting someone?

MrsM345 · August 2015

I don't get the big deal about saying gender or sex. Maybe because I think the whole 'gender identification' thing or whatever you want to call it is ridiculous. But I'm sure I'm in the minority here thinking that.

I think that's a neat study and I'd be curious too. I don't think I'll find out my levels, I won't see the Dr until 8 weeks and I'm not sure they will do a test. However, I got a positive test 9 days after ovulation which makes me think my numbers would be high. So maybe girl. I think boys are easier but I'll be happy with a healthy baby either way

myparkers7 · August 2015

@QueenWaldorf4 you have no clue who I am or what I am about. Don't use assumptions based on what most of the world uses in terminology. You have absolutely no idea, I could be an activist for the LGBT community, or lobby for equal rights, or work with transgender children . Last I checked the words gender or sex are not in any capacity offensive terms in the transgender community. At the birth of my baby and when I get an Anatomy scan I will know the sex that will also be his or her gender until he or she decides otherwise. So this little debate you think your having with me is null!

smithers01 · August 2015

myparkers7 said:
@QueenWaldorf4 you have no clue who I am or what I am about. Don't use assumptions based on what most of the world uses in terminology. You have absolutely no idea, I could be an activist for the LGBT community, or lobby for equal rights, or work with transgender children . Last I checked the words gender or sex are not in any capacity offensive terms in the transgender community. At the birth of my baby and when I get an Anatomy scan I will know the sex that will also be his or her gender until he or she decides otherwise. So this little debate you think your having with me is null!

I literally had to block the same girl you are tagging because of the things she was saying to me on another post. She must love the drama !
And I also don't get the whole sex-gender thing. People make huge deals over the smallest things these days. We all don't have to think alike. But I do think that's really cool ! I wish my hcg levels were taken !

myparkers7 · August 2015

@smithers01 I thought it was a neat idea to look back and see what it could predict. I love the science of it all though! On another note: I believe people like that have no real want to being fair and equal, they just want to push people around and force issues that really aren't issues. I know many transgender people and have never met one that has been offended by that terminology. There are so many hurtful things that can be said and that is not one of them. She's not teaching me something I didn't already know. Thanks you!

xilovemybabiesx · August 2015

I'm with @myparkers7 on this one. I don't see how the difference in the word sex or gender can hurt other peoples feelings. Seriously, people get to offended by the littlest things these days.

TheBorg7of9 · August 2015

Personally, if a group of people tell me that they are offended by a term, I believe them and don't try to prove a point by continuing to use the term. Especially when the group faces such harsh discrimination and high suicide rates. I choose to be kind and accepting, rather than purposefully hurt people's feelings.

myparkers7 · August 2015

Seriously!!? The entire transgender community has said that the interchangeable words gender and sex offends them!? Hmmm that's super duper interesting!?! I haven't a racist, judgmental, prejudice bone in my body. I go above and beyond treating people with kindness and compassion from every walk of life! Trust me I have seen my fair share of judgment and prejudice! Point in case this idiotic debate. Again I will capitalize I KNOW MANY TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, I HAVE NEVER MET ONE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY EITHER OF THOSE WORDS!!!! I Will know my baby's sex I will choose their gender based on social norms. They can decide later if that fits them or not!! I FREAKING GET IT!!! Debate OVER!!!!! It's funny the same people bashing us for using a term (widely used by the way) are the same ones tearing into a newly pregnant woman for wanting reassurance?!?

TheBorg7of9 · August 2015

myparkers7 said:
Seriously!!? The entire transgender community has said that the interchangeable words gender and sex offends them!? Hmmm that's super duper interesting!?! I haven't a racist, judgmental, prejudice bone in my body. I go above and beyond treating people with kindness and compassion from every walk of life! Trust me I have seen my fair share of judgment and prejudice! Point in case this idiotic debate. Again I will capitalize I KNOW MANY TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, I HAVE NEVER MET ONE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY EITHER OF THOSE WORDS!!!! I Will know my baby's sex I will choose their gender based on social norms. They can decide later if that fits them or not!! I FREAKING GET IT!!! Debate OVER!!!!! It's funny the same people bashing us for using a term (widely used by the way) are the same ones tearing into a newly pregnant woman for wanting reassurance?!?

Why are you yelling?

Taraphanie · August 2015

I don't have my HCG levels yet, but I'm curious to see what mine would predict. I'm seeing my doctor on Monday. How do you know if your HCG level is high or low? I guess I can find a chart online.

jsassy · August 2015

The only people I see getting "butt hurt" and offended in this thread are OP and her supporters. PPs have only tried to friendly correct the improper use of this term, and I wholeheartedly agree. OP, it is your choice to be offended because of your poor choice of words here. You could choose to accept it and be the change, but you are taking this to a whole other level.

@TheBorg7of9 is one of the most well-respected members of this community, and I cannot understand why you need to yell and get so upset about her friendly and informative responses, and call "debate over". That's not really how this works here. We are lucky to have her as a part of our community.

I continue to be discouraged by the hyper-sensitivity and hypocrisy on the BMBs. My Post-it list continues to grow, while my enjoyment of the site continues to be hindered.

myparkers7 · August 2015

TheBorg7of9 said:

myparkers7 said:
Seriously!!? The entire transgender community has said that the interchangeable words gender and sex offends them!? Hmmm that's super duper interesting!?! I haven't a racist, judgmental, prejudice bone in my body. I go above and beyond treating people with kindness and compassion from every walk of life! Trust me I have seen my fair share of judgment and prejudice! Point in case this idiotic debate. Again I will capitalize I KNOW MANY TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, I HAVE NEVER MET ONE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY EITHER OF THOSE WORDS!!!! I Will know my baby's sex I will choose their gender based on social norms. They can decide later if that fits them or not!! I FREAKING GET IT!!! Debate OVER!!!!! It's funny the same people bashing us for using a term (widely used by the way) are the same ones tearing into a newly pregnant woman for wanting reassurance?!?
Why are you yelling?

I don't yell. I'm actually a peaceful calm person that works hard to eradicate ignorance. I capitalized to ensure there is no mistake about my point and to clear up confusion that has plagued this thread!

terime · August 2015

myparkers7 said:

Seriously!!? The entire transgender community has said that the interchangeable words gender and sex offends them!? Hmmm that's super duper interesting!?! I haven't a racist, judgmental, prejudice bone in my body. I go above and beyond treating people with kindness and compassion from every walk of life! Trust me I have seen my fair share of judgment and prejudice! Point in case this idiotic debate. Again I will capitalize I KNOW MANY TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, I HAVE NEVER MET ONE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY EITHER OF THOSE WORDS!!!! I Will know my baby's sex I will choose their gender based on social norms. They can decide later if that fits them or not!! I FREAKING GET IT!!! Debate OVER!!!!! It's funny the same people bashing us for using a term (widely used by the way) are the same ones tearing into a newly pregnant woman for wanting reassurance?!?
Why are you yelling?
I don't yell. I'm actually a peaceful calm person that works hard to eradicate ignorance. I capitalized to ensure there is no mistake about my point and to clear up confusion that has plagued this thread!

I, for one, am not confused.

Sex refers to male or female, while gender refers to masculine or feminine.

TheBorg7of9 · August 2015

myparkers7 said:

TheBorg7of9 said:

myparkers7 said:
Seriously!!? The entire transgender community has said that the interchangeable words gender and sex offends them!? Hmmm that's super duper interesting!?! I haven't a racist, judgmental, prejudice bone in my body. I go above and beyond treating people with kindness and compassion from every walk of life! Trust me I have seen my fair share of judgment and prejudice! Point in case this idiotic debate. Again I will capitalize I KNOW MANY TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, I HAVE NEVER MET ONE THAT HAS EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY EITHER OF THOSE WORDS!!!! I Will know my baby's sex I will choose their gender based on social norms. They can decide later if that fits them or not!! I FREAKING GET IT!!! Debate OVER!!!!! It's funny the same people bashing us for using a term (widely used by the way) are the same ones tearing into a newly pregnant woman for wanting reassurance?!?
Why are you yelling?
I don't yell. I'm actually a peaceful calm person that works hard to eradicate ignorance. I capitalized to ensure there is no mistake about my point and to clear up confusion that has plagued this thread!

What do exclamation points and caps lock mean to you? It's not whispering. It's not peaceful.

myparkers7 · August 2015

jsassy said:
The only people I see getting "butt hurt" and offended in this thread are OP and her supporters. PPs have only tried to friendly correct the improper use of this term, and I wholeheartedly agree. OP, it is your choice to be offended because of your poor choice of words here. You could choose to accept it and be the change, but you are taking this to a whole other level.

@TheBorg7of9 is one of the most well-respected members of this community, and I cannot understand why you need to yell and get so upset about her friendly and informative responses, and call "debate over". That's not really how this works here. We are lucky to have her as a part of our community.

I continue to be discouraged by the hyper-sensitivity and hypocrisy on the BMBs. My Post-it list continues to grow, while my enjoyment of the site continues to be hindered.

Perfect will you do me the great honor of reporting me so they will finally shut down my account. I've asked numerous times and admin doesn't seem to give a crap. My life revolves around peace, harmony, justice, and equality. I have seen more horrendous bullying than anything on this forum. I came upon this the bump hoping to find some peace in my anxiety and I got nothing but what I despise most in this life HATRED! We are a group of pregnant women who have an extraordinary challenge on our hands and MOST are met is this kind awful behavior. I am scared, worried, I don't sleep in fear of the worse. (39 and 5 miscarriages will do that) instead of taking take fear out on others I tried to initiate something fun and again met with disrespect. I am not yelling, That is not within my soul. You all are bloodhounds looking to pounce on anyone that doesn't agree with every flipping thing you say. Reevaluate your inner self. The term "butt hurt" is juvenile and I would not use that to describe my feelings at this moment. More saddened than anything....

adrimidas · August 2015

@jsassy @TheBorg7of9

I think in this case you're both being relatively nasty. You come out acting as if you're only being kind and informative however all I and I'm sure many others are seeing is a pure attack on another. You're whole argument/opinion is relatively invalid as the exact thing you are debating is exactly what you are doing.

You are saying that an individual's opinion is incorrect and socially unacceptable. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and in this case use of the term "sex" or "gender" is indefinitely much of a muchness.

Until such time that a child is old enough to form their own judgement of themselves a parent initially determines sex and gender of that child and that's how it has and will always be.

So at this point of time use of either term is logically acceptable.

Regardless I believe that the argument you are continuing to have is ridiculous. There will never be a day that using either of the terms will be offensive in the transgender community. If anything the aspect of it that you are all missing is in fact that these people are true to themselves and are strong enough to make the choices they have made that are deemed "socially unacceptable". These people are only targeted because of people like yourself who create a string of drama around the situation. Which in turn causes people to question the community.

jsassy · August 2015

myparkers7 said:

The only people I see getting "butt hurt" and offended in this thread are OP and her supporters. PPs have only tried to friendly correct the improper use of this term, and I wholeheartedly agree. OP, it is your choice to be offended because of your poor choice of words here. You could choose to accept it and be the change, but you are taking this to a whole other level.

@TheBorg7of9 is one of the most well-respected members of this community, and I cannot understand why you need to yell and get so upset about her friendly and informative responses, and call "debate over". That's not really how this works here. We are lucky to have her as a part of our community.

I continue to be discouraged by the hyper-sensitivity and hypocrisy on the BMBs. My Post-it list continues to grow, while my enjoyment of the site continues to be hindered.
Perfect will you do me the great honor of reporting me so they will finally shut down my account. I've asked numerous times and admin doesn't seem to give a crap. My life revolves around peace, harmony, justice, and equality. I have seen more horrendous bullying than anything on this forum. I came upon this the bump hoping to find some peace in my anxiety and I got nothing but what I despise most in this life HATRED! We are a group of pregnant women who have an extraordinary challenge on our hands and MOST are met is this kind awful behavior. I am scared, worried, I don't sleep in fear of the worse. (39 and 5 miscarriages will do that) instead of taking take fear out on others I tried to initiate something fun and again met with disrespect. I am not yelling, That is not within my soul. You all are bloodhounds looking to pounce on anyone that doesn't agree with every flipping thing you say. Reevaluate your inner self. The term "butt hurt" is juvenile and I would not use that to describe my feelings at this moment. More saddened than anything....

I only report where necessary, not just for fun. Bullying should absolutely be reported, but only when it is actually occurring. The truth is, I just don't see what you see when you say things like "horrendous bullying", "hatred", "awful behavior", "disrespect", "bloodhounds" and "juvenile". I don't. I don't see it because I don't believe it is actually happening. Perhaps at this point we should agree to disagree and move on?

AliSummer · August 2015

1). Using the word "sex" and "gender" indiscriminately implies that the social constructs of gender are biologically driven, which is why some transgender people, and some people in general, take offense to this usage. Who they are is not against biology, it is simply who they are.

2.) This is just me, but if I were on a message board where I thought many people were rude and I felt attacked and offended, I would stop posting there.

3.) Back to your original post, do you have any articles with empirical research linking HGC and sex? That would be interesting.

hazel14rich · August 2015

I mean just my unpopular opinion

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PrimRoseMama · August 2015

adrimidas said:
@jsassy @TheBorg7of9

I think in this case you're both being relatively nasty. You come out acting as if you're only being kind and informative however all I and I'm sure many others are seeing is a pure attack on another. You're whole argument/opinion is relatively invalid as the exact thing you are debating is exactly what you are doing.

You are saying that an individual's opinion is incorrect and socially unacceptable. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and in this case use of the term "sex" or "gender" is indefinitely much of a muchness.

Until such time that a child is old enough to form their own judgement of themselves a parent initially determines sex and gender of that child and that's how it has and will always be.

So at this point of time use of either term is logically acceptable.

Regardless I believe that the argument you are continuing to have is ridiculous. There will never be a day that using either of the terms will be offensive in the transgender community. If anything the aspect of it that you are all missing is in fact that these people are true to themselves and are strong enough to make the choices they have made that are deemed "socially unacceptable". These people are only targeted because of people like yourself who create a string of drama around the situation. Which in turn causes people to question the community.

are you kidding me? This is just wrong. X_X

https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

imrachellea · August 2015

So here's the thing...I am a Christian and do not believe that gender is something someone gets to choose. HOWEVER, I do know that it a huge issue on the bump (and in society in general) that people have very differing ideals on so I use the word sex because it is also appropriate. I do not see it as "giving in" to something I don't believe it, but being sensitive to others while I still keep integrity with what I believe. OP, I get where you are coming from but there is a classy and tactful way to do it. You will only make enemies responding as you did. That's not to say I haven't thrown my own hissy fits, but I do it in privacy to my DH. Honestly, as a Christian my views are often not the norm. Society tells us we're free to believe what we want, yet when I voice my opinions (and not in an attack towards those that believe differently) I get called a bigot. So I have learned to be tactful without compromising myself. There are people (on both sides of this disagreement) that could learn to do the same.

nlwz123 · August 2015

myparkers7 said:

The only people I see getting "butt hurt" and offended in this thread are OP and her supporters. PPs have only tried to friendly correct the improper use of this term, and I wholeheartedly agree. OP, it is your choice to be offended because of your poor choice of words here. You could choose to accept it and be the change, but you are taking this to a whole other level.

@TheBorg7of9 is one of the most well-respected members of this community, and I cannot understand why you need to yell and get so upset about her friendly and informative responses, and call "debate over". That's not really how this works here. We are lucky to have her as a part of our community.

I continue to be discouraged by the hyper-sensitivity and hypocrisy on the BMBs. My Post-it list continues to grow, while my enjoyment of the site continues to be hindered.
Perfect will you do me the great honor of reporting me so they will finally shut down my account. I've asked numerous times and admin doesn't seem to give a crap. My life revolves around peace, harmony, justice, and equality. I have seen more horrendous bullying than anything on this forum. I came upon this the bump hoping to find some peace in my anxiety and I got nothing but what I despise most in this life HATRED! We are a group of pregnant women who have an extraordinary challenge on our hands and MOST are met is this kind awful behavior. I am scared, worried, I don't sleep in fear of the worse. (39 and 5 miscarriages will do that) instead of taking take fear out on others I tried to initiate something fun and again met with disrespect. I am not yelling, That is not within my soul. You all are bloodhounds looking to pounce on anyone that doesn't agree with every flipping thing you say. Reevaluate your inner self. The term "butt hurt" is juvenile and I would not use that to describe my feelings at this moment. More saddened than anything....

You don't need TB to shut down your account in order for you to stop using it. If I wasn't enjoying a site or the people on it I would just leave....

The person (theBorg) you guys are choosing to argue with and claiming to be offended by is hilarious to me, because she's probably one of the most level-headed, informative people on here.

myparkers7 · August 2015

@alisummer I completely understand... Really I do... I think I've stated that many times. I've read many many journals and did extensive research in college on this exact topic. I was actually going to specialize in this field before I found out I had cancer and was expecting a baby and decided to focus more on my family than my career. That's the ironic thing about this back and forth.
I feel as though I need to defend myself. I am extremely compassionate and feel insulted that I may disregard an entire communities way Of life.
https://m.humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/2/485.full here is link. Ironically they use the word gender over and over in this article.

CupcakesRamazing · August 2015

I personally enjoy using words specifically for their meaning. English is cool like that!

AliSummer · August 2015

@myparkers7 Everything you've been through sounds crazy stressful. I hope you're taking care of yourself and have strong people to lean on.

The age of the article is probably one of the reasons the authors use "gender" instead of "sex." Everyone has become more sensitive to language in the past few years, which I think is a good thing, but there are plenty who disagree.

That info is neat, but I don't think I'd prepare for a girl or boy based on HGC levels. For one thing, levels vary so much from person to person.

didi0308 · August 2015

Lurking....

Well, this thread escalated quickly. OP why fly off he handle when someone simply tried to educate you on the correct usage of these words? I think if you cool down and read this thread over you will see that you are the one that in fact caused this "debate" by going off the deep end for no reason. Also, I am not sure why your little White Knight needs to come riding in on her high horse to stir the pot by discussing a different thread and her hurt feelings. It's also very bazaar that you asked to be reported so the bump would shut down your account. Why not just stop using the account? This is strange behavior.

Here is the thing, SOME of the transgender community is in fact offended by this very topic. Also, some non transgender people are. Does it matter how many? If ONE persons tells me that something I am saying offends them I will stop saying it. I wouldn't want to continue to utilize a possibly offensive term and hurt someone's feelings. If you are as kind as you are screaming from the rooftops about here how can you not understand this? Which brings me to the fact that this issue is not matter of opinion. It's fact. Two different words. Two different meanings. Educate yourself. Relax a little. Maybe come back and apologize to the ladies that YOU attacked for simply trying to educate someone and start to make change in this world. One person at a time.

letyourheartbeyourguide · August 2015

CupcakesRamazing said:
I personally enjoy using words specifically for their meaning. English is cool like that!

Whaaaaat? I thought freedom of speech in 'Murica means I can pick my own meaning of words. I've decided that "bullying" and "unicorns farting" are interchangeable, so you'd better not tell me they mean different things.

QueenWaldorf4 · August 2015

myparkers7 said:
@QueenWaldorf4 you have no clue who I am or what I am about. Don't use assumptions based on what most of the world uses in terminology. You have absolutely no idea, I could be an activist for the LGBT community, or lobby for equal rights, or work with transgender children . Last I checked the words gender or sex are not in any capacity offensive terms in the transgender community. At the birth of my baby and when I get an Anatomy scan I will know the sex that will also be his or her gender until he or she decides otherwise. So this little debate you think your having with me is null!

I'm not having a debate with you.
I'm trying to share information with you (never did I make an assumption) so I don't get why you're calling me out when I was genuinely nice and meant well and getting you got defensive.

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