May 2015 Moms

Am I missing something? -Sleep

Buckles0528Buckles0528 member
edited August 2015 in May 2015 Moms
Hi everyone.  I am a huge lurker, have been for the past 11 months.  I am a FTM and admit, I have no idea what I am doing.  My little man is almost 9 weeks old and does not nap/sleep well at all.  I know there are several threads about this but I am at my wits end and I guess I need to vent.  We start our day fine, normally around 5am I change him and take him out of his swaddleme then we are up about an hour or so, he eats, I put him in his swing, he falls asleep and I go back to sleep on the couch until about 9:30-10:00.  When he wakes up he eats again, we play on his play mat, he sits in his bumbo seat, we sing songs, we go outside.  Whatever.  Then he takes another nap about an hour after waking up.  Then, it's all downhill.  He maybe sleeps 30 or 45 minutes if I am lucky.  Sometimes he wants to eat, sometimes he doesn't.  Sometimes he will go back to sleep, sometimes he doesn't.  My day is just a random mish mash of trying to figure out if he needs to eat, sleep, play or just chill out.  Today I "mall walked" for almost 2 hours.  He still didn't sleep, but also didn't cry while in the stroller.  Every night I try to stick to a bedtime routine of bath/lotion, swaddle, feed, sleep.  No matter what time it is or what routine I try it either takes over an hour to get him asleep and he wakes up every hour or he falls right asleep but wakes up the second his head hits the mattress.  I am completely exhausted.  Last night He went to sleep finally around 10:30 and woke up at 1:15 and I have been awake since trying to figure out what he needs.   He doesn't really cry a lot and most times when I try to feed him sooner than two hours in between feeds he won't take it (EBF).  

If the answer here is I am just not blessed with a good sleeper so be it, maybe that's just what I need to hear.  But at this moment he is awake, just looking at me, and I have no clue what I am doing and it makes me want to cry.  So, am I missing something?  I swaddle, I use white noise, I keep his room dark, I follow sleep cues, I try to stick to a schedule, I use a paci.  I've tried a packnplay, rocknplay, crib, swing....  I am out of ideas.

ETA:  Yes, i will wear him in the Moby but that doesn't allow me to sleep.

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Re: Am I missing something? -Sleep

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  • 5 am is really early to start the day.  If you keep him in the SwaddleMe and nurse him in the dark room, will he fall back asleep?

    Short naps are OK at this age, as long as they are done frequently throughout the day so baby is not awake for too long.  My guess is that it's taking a long time to put him down at night because he's not napping well in the afternoon (from what I can tell by your post, hard to tell without times of day).

    I also EBF and follow the eat, play, sleep pattern, which really works for us.  She is awake for about 1.5-2 hours at a time, and then usually has short (45ish minutes) naps, so she eats about every 2.5 hours.  Occasionally she'll give us a 1.5 hour nap, so the time between feedings is obviously longer then.
  • I have no answers for you but wanted to say hang in there!!!! I have a terrible Napper that in trying to figure out too
  • We don't really "start the day" at 5 but that is usually the point where he needs his diaper changed and won't go right back to sleep.  So he is up for an hour, maybe 1.5 then goes back to sleep until around 9:30 or 10am then I really try to start the eat, play sleep routine.  Sometimes at night when we wakes up to eat I am successful at feeding him in the dark and putting him back down, but it isn't ever really consistent.  

    My guess is that it's taking a long time to put him down at night because he's not napping well in the afternoon (from what I can tell by your post, hard to tell without times of day).

    I didn't include times of day because after the initial successful eat, play, sleep routine, it goes out the window and time of day doesn't matter.
  • We don't really "start the day" at 5 but that is usually the point where he needs his diaper changed and won't go right back to sleep.  So he is up for an hour, maybe 1.5 then goes back to sleep until around 9:30 or 10am then I really try to start the eat, play sleep routine.  Sometimes at night when we wakes up to eat I am successful at feeding him in the dark and putting him back down, but it isn't ever really consistent.  

    My guess is that it's taking a long time to put him down at night because he's not napping well in the afternoon (from what I can tell by your post, hard to tell without times of day).

    I didn't include times of day because after the initial successful eat, play, sleep routine, it goes out the window and time of day doesn't matter.

    We are not on a clock schedule at all either, I was just wondering whether he was awake for like 3 hours before you try to put him down for the night, or more like 6.
  • It sounds like you are doing a great job troubleshooting through these challenges! Do your best to hang in there, and draw upon whatever supports/resources you have to help you out. Maybe a friend or family member could come by in the afternoon to play with your LO in between feeds so you could have a quick cat nap, or maybe someone could bring you dinner... Whatever you think might be helpful to you don't be afraid to ask for it!!
    Is he fussy when awake? Or just looking around?? When my LO wakes up at 7-8ish she usually doesn't go back to sleep after she eats, but she will lie beside me staring around for an hour or so while I doze next to her
  • Hang in there- my LO is a horrible sleeper unless I old her- which is difficult for me to do 24/7. She just turned 3 months and we are still working on the naps- the only thing that keeps me going is knowing it will get better as she matures(and we can start sleep training)!
  • The book "The Baby Whisperer Solves All Your Problems" was really helpful in getting our baby on an eat/play/sleep routine. My baby sometimes trys to fight the sleep portion of this schedule, but I just rock her or walk around the house with her until she succumbs to taking the nap that she clearly needs. Also, I've heard the more naps and sleep time they get during the day, the better they will sleep at night. My DD currently goes to bed at 9pm, wakes up to nurse at 5am, then goes back to sleep until 7:30am - she is 3 months old today.
  • Buckles0528Buckles0528 member
    edited August 2015
    How long he is awake before we try to put him down depends on how well he napped. Sometimes he sleeps 4-5 pm sometimes he'll go 4-8 pm sometimes he never falls asleep in the afternoon. Its all random. I try to wait two hours after any nap to put him down again but it never seems to work how I want or plan. My husband is military and we moved 4wks pp ten hours from where we were, six hours from our families too. I am trying my hardest to find friends and a sitter but of course these things don't always happen right away either. Thank you everyone for your kindness. I guess tomorrow we start anew and hope it goes better!
  • At what point do you wake them from that nap? I know I should if it happens but I'm so excited he's sleeping I don't. For example, if he goes down at 4 and is still sleeping at 6, wake him? Then what time do we start bed time?
  • At what point do you wake them from that nap? I know I should if it happens but I'm so excited he's sleeping I don't. For example, if he goes down at 4 and is still sleeping at 6, wake him? Then what time do we start bed time?

    Don't wake him! Unless he massively still has his days and nights confused. I wouldn't wake him up.

    A 9 week old shouldn't really be awake for more than 1.5 hours at a time. Do whatever it takes to get him to nap more during the day. If he will only nap in your arms then do that! The first 3 months it doesn't matter how they sleep as long as they sleep!!! As a PP said, the better naps they have during the day, the better they sleep at night. My DS is a horrible napper unless I hold him. Then he will consistently sleep for 1.5 hours. Sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less. If I lay him down it's 20 minutes tops. But at night he will usually sleep from 8-2 and then 2:30-6:30ish.

    You want LO asleep by the hour and a half mark during the day. So usually at an hour and 15 minutes I start the nap process. Swaddle and rock to sleep so he's asleep at an hour and a half. An hour and a half might even be pushing it for your DS. At 9 weeks mine was closer to an hour or hour and 15. Even at 11 weeks now I sometimes do naps earlier if he's showing any signs of being sleepy.

    After 3 months the recommendation is awake time no more than 2 hours during the day.

    The attached photo is a guide that I follow for sleep. It's not perfect but it follows what I've heard from a sleep consultant. www.babysleep101.com is a great resource as well.
  • You're doing great. Hang in there! It will get better :)

    I agree that 2 hours between naps might be too long and you should shoot for him not being awake more than 1 1/2 hours between naps. My LO fights naps like a champ, and wants to just look at the world all the time. It may sound weird, but I've found sometimes it helps to put a light receiving cloth or blanket over her eyes (while I'm rocking her in my arms, not while she's in her crib) to get her to finally give in and close her eyes. I'll also get her to sleep in the Ergo and then peel it off so she's laying on my chest. I can usually get a nap in while she's napping like that ;)
  • It sounds like you're doing everything right. 

     For what it's worth, my son was only sleeping 3-4 hours at a time at night until 11 weeks, when we discovered he had silent reflux and got him on Zantac. He now sleeps 6 hour stretches, but I'm not 100% sure if it's thanks to Zantac or just the fact he's older.

    For naps, I try to swaddle and keep the room dark. If your son is in a good mood and not exhibiting tired cues, he may just be on the lower end of the range (but should still be getting 14 hours of sleep minimum).

    Good luck and yes it will get better...
  • Just came back to say thanks for all the advice! His first nap was 3 hours and he just went down for his second, 1.5 hours after waking up. If they sleep better at night with good naps then tonight should be great (fingers crossed). So thank you thank you thank you ladies!
  • Just came back to say thanks for all the advice! His first nap was 3 hours and he just went down for his second, 1.5 hours after waking up. If they sleep better at night with good naps then tonight should be great (fingers crossed). So thank you thank you thank you ladies!

    Let us know how the night goes!!
  • I found The 90 Minute Baby Sleep Program very helpful. Basically every time they are awake 90 minutes during the day, rock them to sleep. It takes awhile for them to get used to it, but after one week my babe slept through the night and puts herself to sleep each night around 9PM. The more they sleep during the day, the easier they are to put to sleep and the better they sleep at night. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe the book really works :)
  • well tonight WAS going so well...after he woke up from his nap at 6:30 we played until 7:30, while I was reading he started getting fussy so we did our night time routine, he was out by 8pm.  At 10:30 we did a "dreamfeed".  At 1:45, another "dreamfeed".  I thought I was in the clear!  I never fell back asleep though and at 3am he was awake.  I gave it 10 minutes and he was still up so I checked him and he had soaked through his diaper.  Now it's 4am and still trying to go back to sleep although I know he'll eat again at 5am.  There's always tomorrow....
  • well tonight WAS going so well...after he woke up from his nap at 6:30 we played until 7:30, while I was reading he started getting fussy so we did our night time routine, he was out by 8pm.  At 10:30 we did a "dreamfeed".  At 1:45, another "dreamfeed".  I thought I was in the clear!  I never fell back asleep though and at 3am he was awake.  I gave it 10 minutes and he was still up so I checked him and he had soaked through his diaper.  Now it's 4am and still trying to go back to sleep although I know he'll eat again at 5am.  There's always tomorrow....

    Give it time. One good day of naps won't solve all the problems. He might need a few days of some solid napping to "catch up on sleep". Then things might improve :) Fingers crossed for you.
  • well tonight WAS going so well...after he woke up from his nap at 6:30 we played until 7:30, while I was reading he started getting fussy so we did our night time routine, he was out by 8pm.  At 10:30 we did a "dreamfeed".  At 1:45, another "dreamfeed".  I thought I was in the clear!  I never fell back asleep though and at 3am he was awake.  I gave it 10 minutes and he was still up so I checked him and he had soaked through his diaper.  Now it's 4am and still trying to go back to sleep although I know he'll eat again at 5am.  There's always tomorrow....
    I recommend skipping the dream feed.  I've never really understood the point of this, and you may be waking him unnecessarily.
  • That's the point of a dreamfeed....he's going to eat at that time and I just get in there and feed him before he's all the way awake. If I don't he just will wake all the way up to eat. I am not trying to be an a-hole, I legit do not understand when people say to skip it?  He is still under 12 lbs. and eating every 3 hours.  Again, am I missing something??
  • Maybe we're using different definitions of dreamfeed?  A dreamfeed as I understand it is when you feed the baby even though they haven't woken up to eat.  Some moms do a dreamfeed when they go to sleep (say, 10pm), in hopes that it will give baby a longer stretch until morning.

    Are you saying that he wakes up at 10:30 to feed?  Or that you feed him even though he doesn't wake up?  If he's not waking up himself, then let him sleep.
  • OK, I'm adding more, but this obviously depends on the dreamfeed question above.

    Most (though not all) babies this age will have a longer first stretch of sleep at night.  So they might sleep for 5 hours after they go to sleep, and then wake up every 2 hours after that to eat.  If you're feeding him after 2-3 hours of sleep anticipating that he's going to wake up then anyway, you may be depriving him of some deeper sleep and the chance to give you that longer stretch.  Again, not sure what definition of dreamfeed you are using, but just throwing that out there.
  • Maybe we are using the word differently. I don't wake him up unless he's showing signs of really needing to be fed. Right now I know at 10pm and 2 am he's waking up to eat.
  • Maybe we are using the word differently. I don't wake him up unless he's showing signs of really needing to be fed. Right now I know at 10pm and 2 am he's waking up to eat.

    My LO used to wake up at 10p and 2a also. When I went back to work his bedtime was pushed back from 8/9 to 10/11 bc I work night shift. He adjusted well and now he still wakes up at 2a and 5a. He is 13wks now. It'll take time, but go with his cues while finding a routine that he starts and stick with it. I, personally, don't understand dream feeds and haven't done them. If I have done them, I don't realize it! :)

    Hearing "it'll take time" and "you'll get there" doesn't help when you feel sleep deprived and want to give up, but it really does get better. Babies, like us, have days we don't want to sleep, want a later bedtime or want to sleep all day. Hope that helps!
  • So, if you feed him at 7:30 and put him to bed, he still wakes up at 10?  I'm not trying to be an a-hole either, I swear I'm trying to help! :)
  • Yes, for example yesterday he woke up from his nap at 6:30, he ate, I fed him one more time before putting him in his crib, around 7:30, he was asleep by 8pm.  At 10:30ish he was getting frisky in his crib looking straight at the monitor, I swear he looks right into it like come feed me!!  So before he was all the way awake and fussing I went in and fed him, he went right back to sleep.  I thought that's what a dream feed was, I guess I am wrong haha.  Then, same thing around 1:45 am.  I suppose the right move is change the diaper at 10:30 and hope at 2 he hasn't soaked through like last night.  

    Thanks for the help I didn't think you were being an a-hole.
  • Got it!  You're just doing regular ol' middle of the night (MOTN) feedings.  Dream feeds are more parent-led, where they feed baby before they need it hoping they'll sleep the rest of the night, or at least longer into the night.

    Have you tried letting him fuss for awhile at 10:30 to see if he can put himself back to sleep?  Or maybe just pop a paci in and see if that works?  My older kid was paci-obsessed, and when I was trying to get him to drop the first feeding, I would pop a paci in and sometimes he would fall back asleep.  Not always, but sometimes.
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