If you intend to have a completely natural birth the way your ancestors did you've not had ultrasounds or doppler scans. You've not taken prenatal vitamins to boost your chances of a healthy pregnancy and if you and your child get into trouble you are fine with both of you dying as naturally.
The unnatural vs. natural birth debate is bullshit. There is not one woman on here having a birth without medical monitoring of some kind which our ancestors had no access to. If you want to get on your high horse and feel superior because you weren't in a situation in which you wanted or needed medication or other medical intervention, fine. It makes you a raging cunt with your head up your ass, but that's your right.
ETA: There are few things that make my blood absolutely boil, but this is definitely one of those topics.
Guise.....I think vexymommy just won this thread. We can shut it down now. @vexymommy FTW
With my first I tried to have her "natural" with the assistance of an epidural but ended up with a c section. When I've talked about about delivery to others I use the word natural and most people automatically assume no medication and I have to correct them.
I am so thankful for the "unnatural" producers because without them I nor my DD would be here.
If you intend to have a completely natural birth the way your ancestors did you've not had ultrasounds or doppler scans. You've not taken prenatal vitamins to boost your chances of a healthy pregnancy and if you and your child get into trouble you are fine with both of you dying as naturally.
The unnatural vs. natural birth debate is bullshit. There is not one woman on here having a birth without medical monitoring of some kind which our ancestors had no access to. If you want to get on your high horse and feel superior because you weren't in a situation in which you wanted or needed medication or other medical intervention, fine. It makes you a raging cunt with your head up your ass, but that's your right.
ETA: There are few things that make my blood absolutely boil, but this is definitely one of those topics.
Best response to ignorance I have ever read on this website. You're my new hero.
I despise the phrase "as nature intended it". As a neonatologist, by definition I interrupt nature. I'm only called when there is a problem. If we followed what nature intended every time without an open mind, we would be back in the days where childbirth was the leading cause of death in women and many babies didn't make it out of the delivery room. I would hope anyone old enough to procreate will put the health of their infant over what they want for their experience. How and where a women delivers a baby is an intensely personal decision. Putting labels on it like "unnatural" or making judgemental comments is petty and immature.
Thank you SO MUCH for doing your job!! I know that may sound silly, but without people like you, my beautiful, sassy, wonderful daughter wouldn't have made it past day 1.
Medical intervention/assistance is available for amazing (and sometimes really scary) reasons!!! While I personally didn't need medical intervention for daughter's birth, she needed medical intervention in the form of a weeks NICU stay to learn how to breath and eat on her own. (And that's a short stay compared to many.)
If you intend to have a completely natural birth the way your ancestors did you've not had ultrasounds or doppler scans. You've not taken prenatal vitamins to boost your chances of a healthy pregnancy and if you and your child get into trouble you are fine with both of you dying as naturally.
The unnatural vs. natural birth debate is bullshit. There is not one woman on here having a birth without medical monitoring of some kind which our ancestors had no access to. If you want to get on your high horse and feel superior because you weren't in a situation in which you wanted or needed medication or other medical intervention, fine. It makes you a raging cunt with your head up your ass, but that's your right.
ETA: There are few things that make my blood absolutely boil, but this is definitely one of those topics.
People don't have to like it, but a natural birth is the way nature intended... Without interventions or drugs. No other way to put it.
Someone just called the alligator "big mouth"!!!! Enjoy your very painful and complicated emergency caesarean!
Enjoy being judgmental! I hope being nasty makes you feel better!
I never once compared other births or said one was better than the other. This is ridiculous!
How is that nasty? Have you never heard the saying "calling the alligator big mouth?" It's like shouting from the top of a black diamond ski hill "only BEGINNERS get hurt skiing", then proceeding to run yourself into a tree. It's karma.
Telling someone you hope I enjoy my painful and complicated c section? That's not nasty? Okay. Well, back at you.
********************** Already had one two years ago! After my textbook perfect pregnancy and quick "NATURAL" dilation to 8 cm before I even felt enough to go to hospital. Guess what? My perfect baby is just fine - thriving in fact. I would never call her birth "unnatural." In fact, I personally think C mamas are far stronger and braver than those who pat themselves on the back constantly for giving birth "as nature intended". I laid my life on the line with minutes notice for my child. C mamas say "cut me open. Risk my life so that my child may have an opportunity to live theirs." That is the most natural mothering instinct I can think of. Hope that crow tastes good.
Here's the thing, you're he one comparing births saying one is greater than the other. I not once said one was inferior nor wished harm on anyone. I clarified what I thought was meant by a woman posting about a "natural child birth". I do not have anything against interventions, drugs, whatever you need to have your baby. Because I would like to have my birth a certain doesn't mean that if my child's life depended on something I wouldn't do it.
But hey, this is the internet, you can be rude and say whatever you want to me because you're not having a conversation face to face hearing tone and expressions- understanding gets lost when you're behind a screen.
@mamavbs I understand what you're saying. In a previous post I stated that we shouldn't have a board on this matter if that's not the correct term and I agreed with a pp about an article she posted on the matter and saw where the difference is coming from. I really mean no offense, sorry if you are.
People don't have to like it, but a natural birth is the way nature intended... Without interventions or drugs. No other way to put it.
There are other ways to put it, unmedicated, unassisted, etc. The word unnatural has negative connotations. Nature also intended for a much, much higher mortality rate for both mothers and babies. I'm ok thwarting mother nature if it means more women and children survive pregnancy and childbirth.
@mamavbs I understand what you're saying. In a previous post I stated that we shouldn't have a board on this matter if that's not the correct term and I agreed with a pp about an article she posted on the matter and saw where the difference is coming from. I really mean no offense, sorry if you are.
Because the name of boards is what determines which terms of speech are offensive and which are not.
Just like a Gender Reveal Party must mean that gender is the correct
word to use regarding your child's biological sex. I will continue
rolling my eyes at this kind of claim and people will continue to make
them. We are both entitled to do that.
ETA: Sorry if you are is the worst most condescending non apology ever.
People don't have to like it, but a natural birth is the way nature intended... Without interventions or drugs. No other way to put it.
Here's the problem, you used the phrase "people don't have to like it but a natural birth is the way nature intended". That's pretty confrontational. Did you have an ultrasound this pregnancy? Take vitamins? Are you planning on having a midwife because that's not how nature intended.
Unless you are delivering alone in the middle of a field, never go to a prenatal appointment for any tests and never take any medications you are not delivering the way nature intended it. We all have some level of medical intervention in our pregnancies.
Careful OP... karma is going to give you an emergency c section with anesthesia. Unlike how nature intended. And will you take it if it's the only way to save you and your babies lives? I bet your arse you will!
I loved my last unmedicated birth, but I wish I could take stronger meds AFTER birth with the day - day and a half contractions when your uterus is going back in place. Those just suck!! And when your trying to nurse a NB its just no fun. No one ever told me about those with my first
Bottom line: I want an unmedicated vaginal birth, but I am open to other options if intervention is deemed necessary. I would hope that even the crunchiest of mommies would only want what's best for their child, even if that happens to be something that wasn't a part of their original plan...
Give me the meds! And I still plan on taking credit and walking around like "yeah, I pushed that outta my vagina!"
And even if you have a CS you can say you had surgery while awake! And minutes later had to care for a newborn. It's not as easy as some like to think.
Bottom line, no one will give a shit later on how you brought your baby into the world, just that you did. Medication? c-section? Who cares? Think of how many both stories people are telling you right now. Honestly, if mom and baby are healthy, do you really care that much that they did it with out pain medication? Or in a birthing tub? Or had a doctor cut them open and dump all their insides on the table before pulling the baby out? Every time I told my c-section story I'd watch people's eyes glaze over and their attention drift away. You want a epidural? Go for it! You want to go au natural and go squat in the woods? Go for it!
I had an Unmedicated birth with my first at the age of 15. It was probably the most painful and terrifying experience I have ever gone through! I had a 10 pound baby and I'm 5'8 and 130 lbs I will never do it again! Although that time it wasn't even my choice the doctors were just too busy for me... This time around since I'm still so scared to give birth (10 years later I still feel traumatized by the whole experience) I am taking all the drugs they can give me and still feel proud about pushing her out
I would have much rather had medication the first time around so It wouldn't have been so terrifying! I sat silently in my room without speaking for two days after that....
I had an Unmedicated birth with my first at the age of 15. It was probably the most painful and terrifying experience I have ever gone through! I had a 10 pound baby and I'm 5'8 and 130 lbs I will never do it again! Although that time it wasn't even my choice the doctors were just too busy for me... This time around since I'm still so scared to give birth (10 years later I still feel traumatized by the whole experience) I am taking all the drugs they can give me and still feel proud about pushing her out
I would have much rather had medication the first time around so It wouldn't have been so terrifying! I sat silently in my room without speaking for two days after that....
Can I just tell you how INCREDIBLY brave you were to do that, and at a young age like 15! That is impressive and I give you so much credit
I had an Unmedicated birth with my first at the age of 15. It was probably the most painful and terrifying experience I have ever gone through! I had a 10 pound baby and I'm 5'8 and 130 lbs I will never do it again! Although that time it wasn't even my choice the doctors were just too busy for me... This time around since I'm still so scared to give birth (10 years later I still feel traumatized by the whole experience) I am taking all the drugs they can give me and still feel proud about pushing her out
I would have much rather had medication the first time around so It wouldn't have been so terrifying! I sat silently in my room without speaking for two days after that....
Can I just tell you how INCREDIBLY brave you were to do that, and at a young age like 15! That is impressive and I give you so much credit
Thank you ☺️ I'm 25 now but when I think about the birth I still feel like that scared 15 year old kid!
Arguing on the Internet is simply unproductive. Why does every thread get hijacked by the pc police? The original poster wanted to know what people were planning to do, not debate terms and antics. It's been referred to as natural for eons, so it's common that people will say that. Of course, terms that offend people change every day, so keeping track can be difficult. Let's agree that you all understood what she meant and go from there.
Arguing on the Internet is simply unproductive. Why does every thread get hijacked by the pc police? The original poster wanted to know what people were planning to do, not debate terms and antics. It's been referred to as natural for eons, so it's common that people will say that. Of course, terms that offend people change every day, so keeping track can be difficult. Let's agree that you all understood what she meant and go from there.
Actually I can't agree because then she came back extremely rude and judgmental. And no need to be a WK...
Arguing on the Internet is simply unproductive. Why does every thread get hijacked by the pc police? The original poster wanted to know what people were planning to do, not debate terms and antics. It's been referred to as natural for eons, so it's common that people will say that. Of course, terms that offend people change every day, so keeping track can be difficult. Let's agree that you all understood what she meant and go from there.
The word you were looking for is "semantics." Things that used to be perfectly acceptable to say are no longer considered such, as language evolves over time. If somebody has said something that somebody else finds offensive or hurtful, we should all let it slide because we understood what they meant? No, they should be reminded of the proper terminology so they do not make the same mistake in the future.
Arguing on the Internet is simply unproductive. Why does every thread get hijacked by the pc police? The original poster wanted to know what people were planning to do, not debate terms and antics. It's been referred to as natural for eons, so it's common that people will say that. Of course, terms that offend people change every day, so keeping track can be difficult. Let's agree that you all understood what she meant and go from there.
Actually I can't agree because then she came back extremely rude and judgmental. And no need to be a WK...
Though I agree that we don't need another white knight on this. The OP and rude contributor weren't the same. I'm not sure the OP ever came back? Either way that is just another baiter red flag of you ask me.
ETA-I'm not sure if I'm making sense. It's been a long day.
Arguing on the Internet is simply unproductive. Why does every thread get hijacked by the pc police? The original poster wanted to know what people were planning to do, not debate terms and antics. It's been referred to as natural for eons, so it's common that people will say that. Of course, terms that offend people change every day, so keeping track can be difficult. Let's agree that you all understood what she meant and go from there.
I don't think people were really offended by the OP. There were a couple of replies that sort of just hinted that using the terms "natural vs unnatural" is inaccurate and not really the accepted terminology. Then came the "as nature intended, blah blah blah" chick, who was intentionally inflammatory. But whatevs. This thread was kind of dead until you took the time to present the argument on an internet forum that it's a waste of time to argue on the Internet.
Arguing on the Internet is simply unproductive. Why does every thread get hijacked by the pc police? The original poster wanted to know what people were planning to do, not debate terms and antics. It's been referred to as natural for eons, so it's common that people will say that. Of course, terms that offend people change every day, so keeping track can be difficult. Let's agree that you all understood what she meant and go from there.
I don't think people were really offended by the OP. There were a couple of replies that sort of just hinted that using the terms "natural vs unnatural" is inaccurate and not really the accepted terminology. Then came the "as nature intended, blah blah blah" chick, who was intentionally inflammatory. But whatevs. This thread was kind of dead until you took the time to present the argument on an internet forum that it's a waste of time to argue on the Internet.
That last bit was very Vexy-esque - bravo!! Not to say you aren't typically full of eloquent sass - I quite enjoy your posts.
Me: 28, DH: 40 Married 9/28/13 DS born 11/12/15 EDD 8/13/18
Vexy is the new "fetch." and it is GOING to happen.
Vex°y /veh-xee adjective, informal (of a person, words, or a mood) making total and perfect logical sense "that poster is always on top of AW posts with her vexy remarks"
What amazes me is no one seems to have brought up the fact that if pain relief was available in the past women have used it. My great grandma wanted to go the the hospital to have her children. That was a privilege. She knew it was safer and was happy to have drugs. Her words not mine. So even 70 years ago women used meds. Heck I'm sure many have known that Queen Victoria was rumored to have used cannibus for relief during labor. She still had 13 kids. If you need meds use them if you don't great. My mom didn't and I turned out fine but I did and I still every single time have been proud of myself for doing. Bashing on one another for mothering choices doesn't make since.
I just Wana have my baby and it be born healthy and me be ok in the end how it happens well I can't really plan that no matter what it's being born im not going to set myself up to be upset that my "birthplan" didn't go accordingly how do you plan a birth? Who knows what will happen on the day! I'll just see how I feel and go with it! Gota come out somehow
So should I feel that my childs birth will be something "supernatural" because I have HPV and need a c-section? I did give birth to my first unmedicated cut and sewed back a bit tighter than I used to be....but really I would never again. I fear childbirth. Period. Vaginal , c-section, with or without drugs....still fear it like hell. After one ...I see no good way to give birth and enjoy it.
Re: Natural Birth!
I am so thankful for the "unnatural" producers because without them I nor my DD would be here.
Best response to ignorance I have ever read on this website. You're my new hero.
Thank you SO MUCH for doing your job!! I know that may sound silly, but without people like you, my beautiful, sassy, wonderful daughter wouldn't have made it past day 1.
Medical intervention/assistance is available for amazing (and sometimes really scary) reasons!!!
While I personally didn't need medical intervention for daughter's birth, she needed medical intervention in the form of a weeks NICU stay to learn how to breath and eat on her own. (And that's a short stay compared to many.)
**********************
Already had one two years ago! After my textbook perfect pregnancy and quick "NATURAL" dilation to 8 cm before I even felt enough to go to hospital. Guess what? My perfect baby is just fine - thriving in fact. I would never call her birth "unnatural." In fact, I personally think C mamas are far stronger and braver than those who pat themselves on the back constantly for giving birth "as nature intended". I laid my life on the line with minutes notice for my child. C mamas say "cut me open. Risk my life so that my child may have an opportunity to live theirs." That is the most natural mothering instinct I can think of. Hope that crow tastes good.
Here's the thing, you're he one comparing births saying one is greater than the other. I not once said one was inferior nor wished harm on anyone. I clarified what I thought was meant by a woman posting about a "natural child birth". I do not have anything against interventions, drugs, whatever you need to have your baby. Because I would like to have my birth a certain doesn't mean that if my child's life depended on something I wouldn't do it.
But hey, this is the internet, you can be rude and say whatever you want to me because you're not having a conversation face to face hearing tone and expressions- understanding gets lost when you're behind a screen.
Seriously if you don't want to change your opinion, whatever that's your right. But change your terminology.
Assisted and unassisted.
Not natural and unnatural
Because the name of boards is what determines which terms of speech are offensive and which are not. Just like a Gender Reveal Party must mean that gender is the correct word to use regarding your child's biological sex. I will continue rolling my eyes at this kind of claim and people will continue to make them. We are both entitled to do that.
ETA: Sorry if you are is the worst most condescending non apology ever.
Unless you are delivering alone in the middle of a field, never go to a prenatal appointment for any tests and never take any medications you are not delivering the way nature intended it. We all have some level of medical intervention in our pregnancies.
Every time I told my c-section story I'd watch people's eyes glaze over and their attention drift away. You want a epidural? Go for it! You want to go au natural and go squat in the woods? Go for it!
I would have much rather had medication the first time around so It wouldn't have been so terrifying! I sat silently in my room without speaking for two days after that....
Thank you ☺️ I'm 25 now but when I think about the birth I still feel like that scared 15 year old kid!
And no need to be a WK...
ETA-I'm not sure if I'm making sense. It's been a long day.
Then came the "as nature intended, blah blah blah" chick, who was intentionally inflammatory.
But whatevs. This thread was kind of dead until you took the time to present the argument on an internet forum that it's a waste of time to argue on the Internet.
Married 9/28/13
DS born 11/12/15
EDD 8/13/18
Vexy is the new "fetch." and it is GOING to happen.
Vex°y
/veh-xee
adjective, informal
(of a person, words, or a mood) making total and perfect logical sense
"that poster is always on top of AW posts with her vexy remarks"