I have, when the occasion called for it-which is quite rare since my social life has pretty much died the last 8 months for my white wines and rose I put ice cubes in them-dilutes, keeps them cold, and makes them last total sacrilege for me as I carry a level 3 diploma from the Wines and Spirits Trust and have side dreams of becoming a sommelier!
I do miss my wine, but honestly have not had the urge or craved it-especially in the first and second trimesters.
If I really want a glass of wine w/ dinner, or a glass at an outing, I'll have one if I feel like it and honestly, I usually don't feel like having more than one
Well, we are told the effects of alcohol use in pregnancy, as well as cigarette smoking. Both are known to not be good for baby and can cause serious problems.. However. IF you have one small glass of wine.. It's not enough to, say cause FAS.. And one cigarette isn't enough to cause low birth weight or pregnancy loss either.
So, to me.. They're both poisons you can "technically" have on occasion and hopefully without hurting the baby... But, why do it? If it is clearly fact that it can cause your child harm?
That's what i meant by that comparison. Yes they are equal. Equally toxic. Why justify one and not the other? Seems silly to me.
Again, to each their own.. But science is science and fact is fact. We aren't even supposed to use ibuprofen, or aspirin - or soft cheeses for god sake... So not sure why the extent of justification done on alcohol use.
Well since soft cheeses are COMPLETELY fine, I choose to place zero value in your ability to interpret information and facts, science, and data. Cigs and wine are not equally toxic. (Edited for clarification)
Actually, cigarettes have been proven to be harmful even in small amounts. Even secondhand smoke has been proven harmful to a fetus. Small amounts of alcohol have not been proven harmful. Do your research before you make snarky comments.
I had one glass of champagne at my sisters wedding. I milked it for about and hour and then it got knocked over, I saved it and carried around the last sip for quite a while. I wanted it really bad and I wanted that gratification that champagne used to give me. It didn't work. I liked the taste but it seemed like a chore for some reason. And the fact that it got knocked over felt like karma or something telling me I'm not supposed to. I later got sick and just didn't feel good when going to bed. I won't be doing it again, even though I really miss my cocktails! I don't judge at all if someone wants to drink, it's not my body and not my baby.
And just to add, for those that are worried about looks or judgements people, I also get judged when someone offers me something because "it's fine to have one or two" and I decline, I get judged for being snoody. Ya just can't win with people. Make yourself happy and don't worry about what others think.
Yes!! My sister literally makes fun of me for listening to the 'no' list?! WTF. I don't ask her opinions, she just offers and when I say no thanks...the rudeness begins. Side note: I always take it as her thinking that I think I'm better than her, but that's just not the case.Im just listening to my OBGYN, and doing what I personally feel comfortable with. I wish people would just leave people alone.
I have had maybe 2 glasses so far through out the pregnancy... And felt fine afterward... One glass was to celebrate my best friends and God parents to my baby 1year wedding anniversary and the other was to celebrate my FIL not having cancer ... I will be having a glass tonight however to celebrate celebrating my 25th birthday alone today... my family completely forgot about it and my husband works away from home and won't be home for another week and half ...
I had one glass of champagne at my sisters wedding. I milked it for about and hour and then it got knocked over, I saved it and carried around the last sip for quite a while. I wanted it really bad and I wanted that gratification that champagne used to give me. It didn't work. I liked the taste but it seemed like a chore for some reason. And the fact that it got knocked over felt like karma or something telling me I'm not supposed to. I later got sick and just didn't feel good when going to bed. I won't be doing it again, even though I really miss my cocktails! I don't judge at all if someone wants to drink, it's not my body and not my baby.
And just to add, for those that are worried about looks or judgements people, I also get judged when someone offers me something because "it's fine to have one or two" and I decline, I get judged for being snoody. Ya just can't win with people. Make yourself happy and don't worry about what others think.
Yes!! My sister literally makes fun of me for listening to the 'no' list?! WTF. I don't ask her opinions, she just offers and when I say no thanks...the rudeness begins. Side note: I always take it as her thinking that I think I'm better than her, but that's just not the case.Im just listening to my OBGYN, and doing what I personally feel comfortable with. I wish people would just leave people alone.
Same here!! I skipped the champagne toast at a coworker's wedding and the moms of the group gave me such a hard time about it! And then shrugged to each other and talked about how laid back they were and blah blah blah. I really haven't been overly strict with this pregnancy but people still will act like I have a stick up my ass for the silliest things. Pregnancy has a way of bringing out all the "expert opinions". I stick to what my doctor says.
I've enjoyed a few glasses of wine with dinner this pregnancy and have learned to become bullet proof to judgements, especially from people who I doubt are doing or will do everything "perfectly" in their pregnancies. (It's always so easy to point fingers.) I once got heat for traveling in my 2nd tri so I figure there is always going to be someone who is going to disapprove of something you do. Let them, you can't please them all!
And no, a half glass of wine now and then is not the same as smoking cigarettes. Let's not get lazy (and dramatic) with the facts, especially when the general use of "science" is being used as the source. Come on! Abstaining is obviously fine, no judgement (see what I did there) but blurring the lines between opinion and facts is just plain irresponsible.
I've been craving dry red wine for months now. Hubby and I went to a wedding a best friends wedding and I took a few sips of it and it just didn't do anything for me. I was actually really disapointed because the dinner was steak and crab cakes. Oh well... Not to mention, our other really good friend is a doctor (not an OB) but she said everything is so developed in the third tri, that is absolutely silly to think 1 glass of wine would hurt the baby. She said maybe stay away from it in the first 12 weeks, but by the third tri, it's fine. How about the people who scarf down the sugary sodas, big macs and doughnuts all pregnancy. I wonder if they would scoff at a pregnant woman enjoying a glass of wine out on a special night with their hubby? People really crack me up....
Wine, beer and coffee have been so hard to even smell during my pregnancy. But I do daydream of an ice cold pint on these hot summer days. If I smell it, I'll gag... bummer. BUT!! I WILL get a pumpkin beer after baby is born and be the happiest gal in town
Haven't really felt a need to this pregnancy and I'm more fearful of wine giving me a headache that I can't get rid of. That being said, at this point in the pregnancy, I'd be fine having up to 1 glass if the mood struck me. It hasn't so far.
Well, we are told the effects of alcohol use in pregnancy, as well as cigarette smoking. Both are known to not be good for baby and can cause serious problems.. However. IF you have one small glass of wine.. It's not enough to, say cause FAS.. And one cigarette isn't enough to cause low birth weight or pregnancy loss either.
So, to me.. They're both poisons you can "technically" have on occasion and hopefully without hurting the baby... But, why do it? If it is clearly fact that it can cause your child harm?
That's what i meant by that comparison. Yes they are equal. Equally toxic. Why justify one and not the other? Seems silly to me.
Again, to each their own.. But science is science and fact is fact. We aren't even supposed to use ibuprofen, or aspirin - or soft cheeses for god sake... So not sure why the extent of justification done on alcohol use.
Well since soft cheeses are COMPLETELY fine, I choose to place zero value in your ability to interpret information and facts, science, and data. They are not equally toxic.
I threw the soft cheese in as a low odds of risk factor that women are told to avoid just to show the scale difference in severity of the things that are considered "unsafe". So, I am sorry you did not understand what I said.. But what I meant is that if we aren't even supposed to enjoy certain CHEESE - because of bacterial risks to the fetus.. Why the hell would anyone justify alcohol? There IS no comparison between cheese and alcohol. That part, you did gather correctly.
I understand that you are being touchy because you're clearly an alcohol use during pregnancy advocate. That is fine. Like I said, this is MY opinion. On a public forum, posting about such controversial subjects people are bound to disagree and/or post with their opinions. That is all I am doing.
It is funny how anyone disagreeing with the safety of substance use in pregnancy is automatically classified as bunk/automatically discredited/almost insulted for such simple remarks... We are told our whole lives and reminded constantly about drug use etc and it's risks during pregnancy... I am not a lunatic for feeling this way. Lol. I'm sure many others do as well, just don't want to become vulnerable by stating it.
Again. No need to be malignant. It's just an opinion.. And it is formed around facts/evidence/science from the last century. I've never once ever had a doctor tell me to go have a drink...
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You aren't understanding me at all. You don't know what you're talking about with the cheese. Find me one reputable source that says we can't eat soft cheese it that it's unsafe. We can't have UNPASTEURIZED cheese. There's a huge difference. Brie is a soft cheese - but any major store you but it in in the US sells the pasteurized kind. For which there are no warnings.
It may seem like semantics, but when analyzing "science" and facts, details matter. So my point isn't the cheese itself, my point is that I don't see you as a credible source of information. Especially if even after its explained to you, you can't see that. The "they are not equally toxic" line from my prior post was not comparing cheese and alcohol. It was referencing your comparison of cigarettes to alcohol. As other posters have pointed out, you are also incorrect on your facts and analysis that cigs and wine are equally toxic to a fetus. Especially when your follow up justification is that as grade schoolers, we were taught that "drugs are bad". High level science findings, right there.
Also, nobody is arguing for the "safety of substance abuse" in pregnancy. ONE GLASS OF WINE IS NOT SUBSTANCE ABUSE. Seriously. Don't be ridiculous.
And I'm not a "drinking in pregnancy advocate". Haha. I'm a common sense advocate who is for PROPER analysis of science and facts.
I've had a few glasses of wine over the course of my pregnancy. My midwives said it is totally safe. It tastes delicious and helps me relax before bed! Key is to drink it slow. Also, be ready bc it can aggravate your acid reflux if you are having any. Otherwise enjoy !
****************** You aren't understanding me at all. You don't know what you're talking about with the cheese. Find me one reputable source that says we can't eat soft cheese it that it's unsafe. We can't have UNPASTEURIZED cheese. There's a huge difference. Brie is a soft cheese - but any major store you but it in in the US sells the pasteurized kind. For which there are no warnings.
It may seem like semantics, but when analyzing "science" and facts, details matter. So my point isn't the cheese itself, my point is that I don't see you as a credible source of information. Especially if even after its explained to you, you can't see that. The "they are not equally toxic" line from my prior post was not comparing cheese and alcohol. It was referencing your comparison of cigarettes to alcohol. As other posters have pointed out, you are also incorrect on your facts and analysis that cigs and wine are equally toxic to a fetus. Especially when your follow up justification is that as grade schoolers, we were taught that "drugs are bad". High level science findings, right there.
Also, nobody is arguing for the "safety of substance abuse" in pregnancy. ONE GLASS OF WINE IS NOT SUBSTANCE ABUSE. Seriously. Don't be ridiculous.
And I'm not a "drinking in pregnancy advocate". Haha. I'm a common sense advocate who is for PROPER analysis of science and facts.
Lol. Wow eh.. Yeah, I said soft cheeses due to bacterial risks AKA listeriosis AKA cheeses that carry that risk. Not all soft cheeses. I assumed you would have been educated enough to automatically know what I meant. I'll just go ahead and let you continue to make assumptions. Seems easier that way.
You are an advocate. You are defending the fact that "it is safe" and you are drinking. That places you on the pro drinking side. Alcohol and cigarettes are both terrible for a fetus. Please find one reputable source claiming otherwise. Perhaps I'm missing something earth shifting when it comes to breakthrough studies on what is and isn't safe in pregnancy...
The fact that I am being labeled as non credible for saying things such as alcohol is not safe - is hilarious. Your doctor must be a crackhead. Sorry to hear that.
No need to respond. I'm not up for an argument here. Was an opinion on a controversial discussion. Nothing to be butthurt over. Can't expect everyone to agree with you Especially not when it's over exposing your fetus to toxic substances. Bound to run into someone who feels otherwise.
No need to respond. I'm not up for an argument here. Was an opinion on a controversial discussion. Nothing to be butthurt over. Can't expect everyone to agree with you Especially not when it's over exposing your fetus to toxic substances. Bound to run into someone who feels otherwise.
Cheers.
Why would anyone agree with you when facts and science don't?
****************** You aren't understanding me at all. You don't know what you're talking about with the cheese. Find me one reputable source that says we can't eat soft cheese it that it's unsafe. We can't have UNPASTEURIZED cheese. There's a huge difference. Brie is a soft cheese - but any major store you but it in in the US sells the pasteurized kind. For which there are no warnings.
It may seem like semantics, but when analyzing "science" and facts, details matter. So my point isn't the cheese itself, my point is that I don't see you as a credible source of information. Especially if even after its explained to you, you can't see that. The "they are not equally toxic" line from my prior post was not comparing cheese and alcohol. It was referencing your comparison of cigarettes to alcohol. As other posters have pointed out, you are also incorrect on your facts and analysis that cigs and wine are equally toxic to a fetus. Especially when your follow up justification is that as grade schoolers, we were taught that "drugs are bad". High level science findings, right there.
Also, nobody is arguing for the "safety of substance abuse" in pregnancy. ONE GLASS OF WINE IS NOT SUBSTANCE ABUSE. Seriously. Don't be ridiculous.
And I'm not a "drinking in pregnancy advocate". Haha. I'm a common sense advocate who is for PROPER analysis of science and facts.
Lol. Wow eh.. Yeah, I said soft cheeses due to bacterial risks AKA listeriosis AKA cheeses that carry that risk. Not all soft cheeses. I assumed you would have been educated enough to automatically know what I meant. I'll just go ahead and let you continue to make assumptions. Seems easier that way.
You are an advocate. You are defending the fact that "it is safe" and you are drinking. That places you on the pro drinking side. Alcohol and cigarettes are both terrible for a fetus. Please find one reputable source claiming otherwise. Perhaps I'm missing something earth shifting when it comes to breakthrough studies on what is and isn't safe in pregnancy...
The fact that I am being labeled as non credible for saying things such as alcohol is not safe - is hilarious. Your doctor must be a crackhead. Sorry to hear that.
This actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks lol
The thing is that you're just not making a lot of sense. You have to know that, right?
You brought up smoking. You brought up cheeses. You brought up toxins. And now someone's doctor is a crackhead? It's all so dramatic.
I'll just leave this here and let people make their own decisions on us and our opinions..
A single glass of wine now and then and a single cigarette now and then don't seem that outrageous to me, but what do names she likes have to do with anything?
I'll just leave this here and let people make their own decisions on us and our opinions..
A single glass of wine now and then and a single cigarette now and then don't seem that outrageous to me, but what do names she likes have to do with anything?
What about alcohol free wine? To me it doesn't seem worth the risk... I'd feel way too guilty knowing my son is inside me and don't have the self control to pass up a few oz of wine...
Pointless.
Alcohol free wine is grape juice.
There is alcohol free sparkling wine.... Not just "grape juice". Not sure why one would absolutely need to have a drink while pregnant in the first place. It's only a 9 month sacrifice. Might as well have a cigarette along with it.
But, that's just my view on it.
This makes you sound as though you feel anyone who has a drink during pregnancy doesn't care about their child. Then you bring up so many other "toxins", as you put it, that you feel are just as harmful which many of them are not like the other.
I haven't had a drink during my pregnancy and I'm almost 30 weeks. But if I wanted a sip of rosé at an event from your opinion that would make me someone who doesn't care about my child. I'm sorry but that makes you wrong.
You are entitled to your opinion 100%. The big issue is your just not making any sense with any of your arguments. As @Peony1982 said there is a HUGE difference between soft cheese and unpasteurized cheeses, and why bring up that in a conversation about something different? Can you honestly say 100% that you've avoided every food, or drink on the supposed "bad during pregnancy" list? I don't think anyone can.
@Elysia21 Just as a side note, haven't you had plastic surgery? You may not be the best judge about what's safe to put in your body, pregnant or not.
Wow, really? That has nothing to do with her saying she doesn't think drinking any amount of alcohol during pregnancy is a good idea. I'm getting implants when we're done having kids because I've seen what mine look like after 13 months of breastfeeding and it wasn't pretty. I guess that means my opinion on what's safe during pregnancy doesn't count.
Thanks for all of your responses. I didn't have any wine at the wedding- was just not really in the mood for it and like most of you said- there would have been a lot of potential thoughts from strangers. I was content drinking my lemon water in a wine glass lol. Thanks again for all of your input. I am definitely looking forward to some nice wine after baby.
I'll just leave this here and let people make their own decisions on us and our opinions.. And don't tell me "no need to respond". I'll respond to anything I see fit, thank you. As to toxic substances in pregnancy, I'm sure you're a natural blonde.
Of course! Anyone with blonde hair just MUST be an idiot. Lol. And because I like unique, pretty girl names and not so much ones that are seen 150x a day, also makes me nuts.
That document was written by who? lol. Can you have this validated by a licensed obstetrician, pediatrician, or any doctor who actually cares about the health and safety of a human being?
If someone writes an article on how occasional smoking of meth is not harmful, are you gonna smoke a bowl too? Err? Lol. And MY judgement is invalid? Cause I'm blonde, have perfect breasts and am not a mainstream sheep? I'm flattered! That IS my face in my av. You must be jealous. Sure sounds like it since you're trying to cut every aspect of me up.. Lol!
You're just scrambling now... And your little pretend friends trying to be Internet tough guys. LOL. Killin' me. Seriously. That's very sad.
Anyhow, I'm off. Saw that post after I replied prior ^. Pour yourself some scotch, maybe take a few shots of Jack.. Couple beers? I'm sure that'll help your mood
Cheers!
"Isn't that nice to be judged over"
I think it was your judgments and comparing a glass of wine to cigarettes and NOW scotch, shots of Jack and crystal meth (?!) that triggered this debate. You know that, right? I guess it just sounds a bit uneducated at this point...
As you can see, PPs don't all agree with a small amount of wine now and then and it's been accepted as a different opinion. No problem. However, you had to take it to the extreme (and still are) and taking it personally based on your aggressive (not to mention unnecessarily insulting) responses, which I think is what some of us find so baffling. None of us are jealous of you, or are miserable in our lives; I'm a happy brunette living in Paris who just doesn't understand your hostility. : )
As for the scientific facts you stand behind, since you seemed dissatisfied with what PP presented to you, where are yours that states smoking and a glass of wine once a week are the same thing? I'd like to see some meth comparisons in there too since you've brought that up. Not pushing buttons but I am truly curious about the source of your information. I would like to know more please. Thank you!
I'm dying, because you don't even get that I wasn't making a blonde joke. Of course blondes aren't stupid. It was more a reference to putting bleach (not exactly a natural substance) on your head. But keep going... You're doing an excellent job of reinforcing everything i'm saying. You have yet to provide one iota of references, while putting mine down, which is a news article REFERENCING a formal scientific study.
You have to stoop to calling me jealous of your looks? Ha. You're not my style, babe. I'm all natural with a touch of mascara and lipstick - hasn't failed me yet.
Enjoy your "perfect breasts" and made up girls names that sound like infectious disease. I'll take saggy boobs, brown hair and a brain instead.
ETA: I also don't run around calling my mother a "twat" in the Internet and disinvite her to my shower. That's also super klassy. Yep, I'm SUPER jealous.
Some would argue dying one's hair blonde and claiming "perfect breasts," regardless of the presence of a medically necessary health intervention, are attempts to conform to society's and Hollywood's unrealistic beauty ideal- which leans towards mainstream sheep on the originality spectrum.
Occasional consumption of wine/beer or choosing to abstain completely are both valid decisions for informed, mature adults to make. Using either choice to compare moderate (not regular or heavy) alcohol consumption to methamphetamine or hard liquor is uneducated and purely illogical (and a bit embarrassing).
Sorry to pile on, it's just that, as a scientist, I have trouble with logical fallacies in (weak) arguments. Back to the sidelines I go.
I'll just leave this here and let people make their own decisions on us and our opinions.. And don't tell me "no need to respond". I'll respond to anything I see fit, thank you. As to toxic substances in pregnancy, I'm sure you're a natural blonde.
Of course! Anyone with blonde hair just MUST be an idiot. Lol. And because I like unique, pretty girl names and not so much ones that are seen 150x a day, also makes me nuts.
That document was written by who? lol. Can you have this validated by a licensed obstetrician, pediatrician, or any doctor who actually cares about the health and safety of a human being?
If someone writes an article on how occasional smoking of meth is not harmful, are you gonna smoke a bowl too? Err? Lol. And MY judgement is invalid? Cause I'm blonde, have perfect breasts and am not a mainstream sheep? I'm flattered! That IS my face in my av. You must be jealous. Sure sounds like it since you're trying to cut every aspect of me up.. Lol!
You're just scrambling now... And your little pretend friends trying to be Internet tough guys. LOL. Killin' me. Seriously. That's very sad.
Anyhow, I'm off. Saw that post after I replied prior ^. Pour yourself some scotch, maybe take a few shots of Jack.. Couple beers? I'm sure that'll help your mood
Cheers!
Someone is definitely scrambling to save their argument but it isn't her. Your arguments make no sense and all the new points you bring up just make you sound worse. You claim to have facts and be based on science, I'd love to see what your reading.
I'm sorry I'm not trying to be mean but your not making any sense at all with anything you have said.
You're clearly miserable. So I'll not respond to any of that. Don't wanna push you over the edge. LOL. Like I said, have a couple drinks - it'll help your self esteem. )
Hope your baby comes out unscathed, they certainly don't deserve to suffer from your lack of education.
Cheers!
Please stop. It's embarrassing to watch. I'm literally cringing at your posts.
I'm so miserable. And homely and uneducated. ). Off to the gym with my beautiful and 100% healthy daughter (with whom I drank 3 glasses of wine in pregnancy on 3 fall/winter holidays in third Tri) in my lovely town.its SO horrible to be me.
Oh, and FTR, I DO love me some Jack, but not in pregnancy. I can't wait to try their new Jack Fire after the birth. full disclosure, I'm a shareholder in their parent company. Been a good stock for us over the last 5-7 years.
I sort of resent that closing posts and banning members is always the answer to debates. Censorship is a terrible solution, especially since many of the opinions, comments and mostly questions posted on this particular thread have been well thought out, civil, and respectful. Many of us are just asking for facts where there would be no need to shut down the entire thread. Please don't try to silence people and make requests for us, citing motherhood as the reason. There is no shame in asking questions.
Saying that, I think this thread is already being phased out, so....
There is just something about wine posts that gets people all fired up. The beer post is all calm and mature lol. I wonder why. Maybe us beer drinkers are just fat lazy BEEPs.
There is just something about wine posts that gets people all fired up. The beer post is all calm and mature lol. I wonder why. Maybe us beer drinkers are just fat lazy BEEPs.
There is also no one over there comparing drinking the occasional beer to using crystal meth. : )
Re: Anyone have a glass a wine?
I do miss my wine, but honestly have not had the urge or craved it-especially in the first and second trimesters.
If I really want a glass of wine w/ dinner, or a glass at an outing, I'll have one if I feel like it
Well since soft cheeses are COMPLETELY fine, I choose to place zero value in your ability to interpret information and facts, science, and data. Cigs and wine are not equally toxic. (Edited for clarification)
Yes!! My sister literally makes fun of me for listening to the 'no' list?! WTF. I don't ask her opinions, she just offers and when I say no thanks...the rudeness begins. Side note: I always take it as her thinking that I think I'm better than her, but that's just not the case.Im just listening to my OBGYN, and doing what I personally feel comfortable with. I wish people would just leave people alone.
And no, a half glass of wine now and then is not the same as smoking cigarettes. Let's not get lazy (and dramatic) with the facts, especially when the general use of "science" is being used as the source. Come on! Abstaining is obviously fine, no judgement (see what I did there) but blurring the lines between opinion and facts is just plain irresponsible.
Well since soft cheeses are COMPLETELY fine, I choose to place zero value in your ability to interpret information and facts, science, and data. They are not equally toxic.
I threw the soft cheese in as a low odds of risk factor that women are told to avoid just to show the scale difference in severity of the things that are considered "unsafe". So, I am sorry you did not understand what I said.. But what I meant is that if we aren't even supposed to enjoy certain CHEESE - because of bacterial risks to the fetus.. Why the hell would anyone justify alcohol? There IS no comparison between cheese and alcohol. That part, you did gather correctly.
I understand that you are being touchy because you're clearly an alcohol use during pregnancy advocate. That is fine. Like I said, this is MY opinion. On a public forum, posting about such controversial subjects people are bound to disagree and/or post with their opinions. That is all I am doing.
It is funny how anyone disagreeing with the safety of substance use in pregnancy is automatically classified as bunk/automatically discredited/almost insulted for such simple remarks... We are told our whole lives and reminded constantly about drug use etc and it's risks during pregnancy... I am not a lunatic for feeling this way. Lol. I'm sure many others do as well, just don't want to become vulnerable by stating it.
Again. No need to be malignant. It's just an opinion.. And it is formed around facts/evidence/science from the last century. I've never once ever had a doctor tell me to go have a drink...
Cheers
Lol. Wow eh.. Yeah, I said soft cheeses due to bacterial risks AKA listeriosis AKA cheeses that carry that risk. Not all soft cheeses. I assumed you would have been educated enough to automatically know what I meant.
You are an advocate. You are defending the fact that "it is safe" and you are drinking. That places you on the pro drinking side. Alcohol and cigarettes are both terrible for a fetus. Please find one reputable source claiming otherwise. Perhaps I'm missing something earth shifting when it comes to breakthrough studies on what is and isn't safe in pregnancy...
The fact that I am being labeled as non credible for saying things such as alcohol is not safe - is hilarious. Your doctor must be a crackhead. Sorry to hear that.
This actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks lol
No need to respond. I'm not up for an argument here. Was an opinion on a controversial discussion. Nothing to be butthurt over. Can't expect everyone to agree with you
Cheers.
Your arguments are invalid.
You brought up smoking. You brought up cheeses. You brought up toxins. And now someone's doctor is a crackhead? It's all so dramatic.
The ability to make things up
But, that's just my view on it.
This makes you sound as though you feel anyone who has a drink during pregnancy doesn't care about their child. Then you bring up so many other "toxins", as you put it, that you feel are just as harmful which many of them are not like the other.
I haven't had a drink during my pregnancy and I'm almost 30 weeks. But if I wanted a sip of rosé at an event from your opinion that would make me someone who doesn't care about my child. I'm sorry but that makes you wrong.
You are entitled to your opinion 100%. The big issue is your just not making any sense with any of your arguments. As @Peony1982 said there is a HUGE difference between soft cheese and unpasteurized cheeses, and why bring up that in a conversation about something different? Can you honestly say 100% that you've avoided every food, or drink on the supposed "bad during pregnancy" list? I don't think anyone can.
I'm pretty sure having caffeine isn't always the best choice either, but I fully admit to starbucks or a fountain drink sometimes lol.
To. Each. Their. Own.
As you can see, PPs don't all agree with a small amount of wine now and then and it's been accepted as a different opinion. No problem. However, you had to take it to the extreme (and still are) and taking it personally based on your aggressive (not to mention unnecessarily insulting) responses, which I think is what some of us find so baffling. None of us are jealous of you, or are miserable in our lives; I'm a happy brunette living in Paris who just doesn't understand your hostility. : )
As for the scientific facts you stand behind, since you seemed dissatisfied with what PP presented to you, where are yours that states smoking and a glass of wine once a week are the same thing? I'd like to see some meth comparisons in there too since you've brought that up. Not pushing buttons but I am truly curious about the source of your information. I would like to know more please. Thank you!
Occasional consumption of wine/beer or choosing to abstain completely are both valid decisions for informed, mature adults to make. Using either choice to compare moderate (not regular or heavy) alcohol consumption to methamphetamine or hard liquor is uneducated and purely illogical (and a bit embarrassing).
Sorry to pile on, it's just that, as a scientist, I have trouble with logical fallacies in (weak) arguments. Back to the sidelines I go.
I'm sorry I'm not trying to be mean but your not making any sense at all with anything you have said.
Saying that, I think this thread is already being phased out, so....
And lots of people love this girl. Because I care about people, and their feelings.