@CaitLewis15, I agree if you're talking about styles like in these pictures! I personally think it's adorable when kids are dressed in mini versions of grown-up clothes, like infant-sized suits.
But at the same time, especially with girl's clothes, there are styles that are adorable on little tiny people that would look ridiculous on adults (like ruffly little dresses). These kids don't even look comfortable.
@MamaOwl15 I don't mind the mini-me look in general, either. I've definitely coordinated looks with DD1 before. I think what bothers me is the children looking so adult in a studied, almost sexualized way.
To put it bluntly, those kids look hot. And that's creepy.
@CaitLewis15 I completely agree that the way those photos were taken is inappropriate. You hit the nail on the head with the "hot look".
Personally, I think I have more issue with the media and marketing of some children's clothing than the clothes themselves. That girl's outfit was a bit over the top but the boys really weren't that bad if you look at the individual pieces. Let kids be kids- take pictures of them being themselves, not posed like a call girl on the corner looking for her next john.
Along the lines of the adult clothing, I hate baby bikinis. I think they look creepy and totally wrong on a baby. I will not be putting my daughter in one.
I find it weird when people refer to their pets as fur babies (sorry, June siggy challenge).
I love animals precisely because they are NOT like babies: you don't have to carry them around for nine months while barfing, they are cute at birth (sorry), they can be left at home while you go to the grocery store, they listen to you and never talk back, people never ask you obnoxious questions about them, they eat anything you give them, and your responsibility to them and their affection for you will always be simple, easily-defined, and comparatively (comparatively) light on complex moral obligations likely to give you guilt complexes later in life.
They are much more like messy-but-affectionate adult roommates who never help with the dishes than babies. Why malign them with the comparison?
I get this comment, I do, but I've found that there are times when I feel like we treat our dog like a tiny person and times when we don't at all. I never in a million years would have guessed that my husband and I are already referring to each other as "mommy" and "daddy" pre-baby because we do think of ourselves as dog parents (and at home talk to each other as if our dog is listening) - I recognize this as totally creepy and weird and yet I do it anyway. Our dog is in family pictures and comes with us places if he can, and he is our first joint responsibility that is an actual live being with wants and desires of his own. We got him as a puppy right after we got married so it feels like he turned us into more of a family unit.
On the flip side, he is not a human, and I agree with all your points about ways that pets are easier / simpler than babies (except that babies can be taken into restaurants and/or hotels more often than pets). And I am 100% sure that our view of our dog will change at least a little bit when the baby arrives. But I do see him as the training version of a kid, in that we are responsible for keeping him fed and healthy and generally as happy as we can. He is part of our family for sure.
Also I smile every time I see your screen name / avatar.
@cbolton19, I feel like I've set myself up as the clothes police on this thread, lol, but I actually think baby rolls hanging out of ruffled bikinis is super cute. I just never did it, because that meant more exposed skin I had to worry about sunscreening/getting sunburned. And then later, after the rolls went away, it was just too hard to keep the appropriate pieces in the appropriate places, so we stayed with the one-piece.
I am totally inconsistent with my clothing policies, apparently!
@CaitLewis15 I think the little rolls are cute, but the tops never seem to stay on correctly! Especially the triangle top ones! I do love all the little ruffles! I would probably be ok with a more tankini style for a baby girl. Still see all the adorable rolls, but hopefully stay in place better. I totally agree with the exposed skin part though. Hopefully baby girl gets my husband's olive skin and not my pale/ghostly (easily burnt!) skin.
@dannie134 Our dogs are like extra people in our house and we def use "mom" and "dad" too. But never in front of anyone but them! I kinda think of them as teenagers- they can be left alone sometimes, act badly when they feel like it, are expensive to feed, but we love them unconditionally.
My UO is that I cannot stand tiny dogs and weird pets. I have a dear friend with many reptile pets. It bothers me to stay at her house with the stinky turtles and giant snakes. I love my big dogs, and don't quite understand the teeny tiny ones. A family friend had a yorkie-something mix that weighed maybe 8 llbs- that's less than her cat! (She also has two rose tarantulas, which I refuse to go near.)
I love animals. I do. I really do. They're cute and stuff. However, I do not want one. My dog-people friends are constantly "dogs are good for kids...responsibility....avoid allergy...man's best friend...". First, I can smell your dog. I smell it all over your house. Second, I don't want the added responsibility. I like to travel with my kid (s). Dogs hinder that. I like to do impromptu things like go out to dinner or the library or the park after work with my daughter. Cant do that of something needs me to feed it and walk it. Give me a newborn over a dog any day.
@DeeGreer I'm actually sure my dog would think it'd be cruel if I didnt let her in her crate! It's her favorite place where she can get away from things, and where she gets her favorite treats! She's sleeping in there right now, with the door open, just being comfy in her own little space. Imo, it's more cruel to not crate a dog that needs it. My pup would definitely tear up the place if we were gone and she were outside, instead she now gets to chew on a nice frozen peanutbutter filled kong in her safe place, with access to water if she needs it. She's also never alone more than 3.5 hours, which is rare to begin with..
She loves her crate, its completely not cruel. I'm not sure why thats an OU with anyone honestly. I mean sure, it's cruel if you just stick the dog in there for 10 hours the first time you introduce the crate.. but I doubt any sensible person would do that :P
@CaitLewis15 Oh my gosh that bothers me so much! Just let kids be kids, they dont need mini-adult clothes that accentuate their figure.. yuck! Im way into getting kids pretty clothes, but gosh dont make them grow up that quick by putting them into clothes adults would wear.. It just looks all wrong, and I fear those little ones would get the wrong kind of attention way waaaay too early! I mean, when I see a 12 year old today compared to when I was 12, it already freaks me out. Why would we want to make that happen even younger?! When I was 12 I was wearing baggy clothes and played in the mud, now I see these dolled up 12 year old girls that are afraid to get dirty because they want to look pretty to get boys attention.. It saddens me.
Exactly! Kids and "hot" should never be in the same sentence . . . Also, I dislike things like maxi dresses and wedges for little girls, even if they're modest, except maybe for going to church or something, because they're impractical.
I'm sure my daughter and I will coordinate looks. I can see her in baby skinny jeans and leapord shoes (as soon as I can find some that fit me, lol!). I've bought my son outfits to "match" his daddy, including a Misfits onesie I was sad to see him outgrow. But anything sexualized . . . No.
On the topic of bathing suits, my SON doesn't go out without a top on. Hello, light skin. He has his daddy's tendency to tan, but that SPF 50 rash guard saves my sanity. So my daughter will be dressed similarly. No bikinis till she's old enough to apply her own sunscreen, lol.
I totally agree with the problem of over sexualizing children. There is a difference between a well dressed child and a child dressed as if they will be having a night on the town. I am very against bikinis after the age of 1. I do think the rolly infant is cute though. That may make me a hypocrite. There are so many predators out in this world that my child needs to remain age appropriate and not flaunt her "curves" as if she is grown.
Feeling cranky. I keep seeing the same posters CREATE a hundred new ("it's all about me") threads but never contribute to anyone else's unless it's to complain (or to make the everyone-is-being-mean comments) it really grinds my gears!
Feeling cranky. I keep seeing the same posters CREATE a hundred new ("it's all about me") threads but never contribute to anyone else's unless it's to complain (or to make the everyone-is-being-mean comments) it really grinds my gears!
This is why I haven't been posting.
@BrooklynBroussard I was wondering where you've been! I was legit worried! When I see a thread created by one of THEM I dont bother opening it anymore. Same crap and when someone disagrees they get all crazy.
I am flabbergasted by the book instead of a card thread, and the amount of support it received. I can't believe so many people find it acceptable to "request" a book instead of a card. Really, who wants to be the one person at the shower who doesn't participate? I don't really see how it's a polite request. A good book will cost at least $15. You can't dictate what your guests bring you.
It's craziness. If you want books register for them or have the shower host provide them for guests to write messages. If you want a library for the baby, then go to the bookstore and buy the books yourself.
I wanted to point out that a book is a second gift, but didn't want to be accused of being mean. Even though it's true.
I can understand both sides... My question though is this, if your not throwing your own shower how are you dictating what other people are getting you? Wouldn't the whole idea come from the host of the shower?
ETA: I was just thinking of my own shower, which is being hosted by my mother, best friend, and grandmother. The only details they have shared were the potential guest list, the time, and place. Nothing else because they don't want me to stress or worry. So now I'm semi panicked if one of them had requested something like this...and now I'm going to seem like an asshole to guests without knowing.
I am flabbergasted by the book instead of a card thread, and the amount of support it received. I can't believe so many people find it acceptable to "request" a book instead of a card. Really, who wants to be the one person at the shower who doesn't participate? I don't really see how it's a polite request. A good book will cost at least $15. You can't dictate what your guests bring you.
It's craziness. If you want books register for them or have the shower host provide them for guests to write messages. If you want a library for the baby, then go to the bookstore and buy the books yourself.
I wanted to point out that a book is a second gift, but didn't want to be accused of being mean. Even though it's true.
I can understand both sides... My question though is this, if your not throwing your own shower how are you dictating what other people are getting you? Wouldn't the whole idea come from the host of the shower?
ETA: I was just thinking of my own shower, which is being hosted by my mother, best friend, and grandmother. The only details they have shared were the potential guest list, the time, and place. Nothing else because they don't want me to stress or worry. So now I'm semi panicked if one of them had requested something like this...and now I'm going to seem like an asshole to guests without knowing.
Yes to this! My mom, sister, & bf (but mostly my sister) are throwing my shower and I have no idea what they are putting on the invite/what they are planning, and I have no intention of asking. I feel like it isn't my place. But I also don't want to look like a jerk if they do the book thing (DH & I are avid readers & my sis is all over Pinterest, so I could see it happening). So am I supposed to intervene and say don't do that?
I love animals. I do. I really do. They're cute and stuff. However, I do not want one. My dog-people friends are constantly "dogs are good for kids...responsibility....avoid allergy...man's best friend...". First, I can smell your dog. I smell it all over your house. Second, I don't want the added responsibility. I like to travel with my kid (s). Dogs hinder that. I like to do impromptu things like go out to dinner or the library or the park after work with my daughter. Cant do that of something needs me to feed it and walk it. Give me a newborn over a dog any day.
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Not all dogs smell ! My chihuahua smells like cherry/oatmeal ! That's what her shampoo is ! She rarely ever goes outside so she doesn't get smelly and icky !! But she is a HUGE responsibility, she cries a lot, wants to constantly be held !
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
Our family has season passes to Sea World San Diego. The whales are DDs favorite. We're going for the Fourth to watch the fireworks. We go at least once a month.
I'm annoyed that work had me so busy today I didn't have even a minute to check in! Damn slave drivers!
Anyway I totally agree with the kids clothing looking like mini version of adult clothing but it's seriously everywhere. Kids don't even go through an ackward ugly phase anymore! I mean I grew up in times of Stirrup leggings, long tee shirts, keds in every color and scrunchy socks. Seriously I had tee-shirts with troll dolls on them but I looked my age! Now everything for little girls is a mini version of teen or womens clothing. Boys clothes aren't as bad but I see parents trying to trend up their kids all the time. My step-sister let her 8 year old son pierce his ears and he wears those earrings that look like those ear gages (thankfully they're not) and I don't want to judge but I just don't like it! My 7 year old wants to know why his cousin wears earrings because he's never seen it before.
I find it weird when people refer to their pets as fur babies (sorry, June siggy challenge).
I love animals precisely because they are NOT like babies: you don't have to carry them around for nine months while barfing, they are cute at birth (sorry), they can be left at home while you go to the grocery store, they listen to you and never talk back, people never ask you obnoxious questions about them, they eat anything you give them, and your responsibility to them and their affection for you will always be simple, easily-defined, and comparatively (comparatively) light on complex moral obligations likely to give you guilt complexes later in life.
They are much more like messy-but-affectionate adult roommates who never help with the dishes than babies. Why malign them with the comparison?
I get this comment, I do, but I've found that there are times when I feel like we treat our dog like a tiny person and times when we don't at all. I never in a million years would have guessed that my husband and I are already referring to each other as "mommy" and "daddy" pre-baby because we do think of ourselves as dog parents (and at home talk to each other as if our dog is listening) - I recognize this as totally creepy and weird and yet I do it anyway. Our dog is in family pictures and comes with us places if he can, and he is our first joint responsibility that is an actual live being with wants and desires of his own. We got him as a puppy right after we got married so it feels like he turned us into more of a family unit.
On the flip side, he is not a human, and I agree with all your points about ways that pets are easier / simpler than babies (except that babies can be taken into restaurants and/or hotels more often than pets). And I am 100% sure that our view of our dog will change at least a little bit when the baby arrives. But I do see him as the training version of a kid, in that we are responsible for keeping him fed and healthy and generally as happy as we can. He is part of our family for sure.
Also I smile every time I see your screen name / avatar.
My UO is that I think it's ok to have an outside cat. We rescued a super sweet kitty a few weeks ago and so many people have made me feel like a horrible human for only letting her come in the garage instead of the house. The way I see it is she was homeless before, and now has a place to sleep (garage) with access to all of the food and water she could want and is free to roam free outside during the day if she wishes to. My daughters and I love on her every time we go to get in the car, so she gets lots of attention. She is spayed, so no kittens, and is utd on shots and vet care. What is the problem? dh is allergic so she CAN'T come inside anyway. We are also hoping that she will catch any mice near our home bc dh was bitten by a copperhead a couple of years ago (but we did not get her to be a mouse hunter and would keep her even if she never wanted to hunt anything).
@twogirlsandagreen I don't get why people freak out about that either. My cat is a lazy house cat and can't even catch a bug so he doesn't go outside but my sister's cat does just fine. They'll come back...and as long as she's being given vet care and food what is the big deal? I've never understood that either.
My cats are both indoor and outdoor cats and they always come home. I don't think there's anything wrong with it as long as they are cared for and spayed
Continuing the UO theme about child clothing - I just don't understand why little girls should be out in public wearing a shoe with any sort of heel. Flats are just fine and adorable. I think playing dress up in Mom's heels at home is fine but they should never have a pair in their own size that they wear out and about.
@twogirlsandagreen My MIL had a healthy and thriving outdoor mama cat for over 15 years. Maddie cat was a rescue, and she lived in their barn to take care of mice and pests. She ended up pregnant quicker than they could spay her. After having the babies she was spayed. She preferred to be out in the wild and would only come into the garage during the winter. Cats in my opinion are majestic in the sense that they march to their own drum. Whether it be inside or out!
Since I'm on the subject of animals also. I LOOOVE MY FUR BABIES. Like really a whole lot. Whom I consider my first born kids and always will. No I WILL NEVER neglect my human child. Or have my animals take priority. But... My fur children most definitely have a spot in my family and heart. Always. I am a proud, animal loving, crazy, dog mom, and I couldn't be more proud to admit it. ;;) :x
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
My UO is that I think it's ok to have an outside cat. We rescued a super sweet kitty a few weeks ago and so many people have made me feel like a horrible human for only letting her come in the garage instead of the house. The way I see it is she was homeless before, and now has a place to sleep (garage) with access to all of the food and water she could want and is free to roam free outside during the day if she wishes to. My daughters and I love on her every time we go to get in the car, so she gets lots of attention. She is spayed, so no kittens, and is utd on shots and vet care. What is the problem? dh is allergic so she CAN'T come inside anyway. We are also hoping that she will catch any mice near our home bc dh was bitten by a copperhead a couple of years ago (but we did not get her to be a mouse hunter and would keep her even if she never wanted to hunt anything).
That's not mean at all !! Least now she had a place for shelter and food (: ! Better then being abandoned and left without food water and shelter !
I had 2 cats but I kept them indoors because I capped their nails because of my leather sofa !!
Continuing the UO theme about child clothing - I just don't understand why little girls should be out in public wearing a shoe with any sort of heel. Flats are just fine and adorable. I think playing dress up in Mom's heels at home is fine but they should never have a pair in their own size that they wear out and about.
Their poor ankles !! Wearing heels all the time for anyone isn't good because it shortens your tendon ! Poor little ladies !!
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
I haven't been brave enough to take my 4 year old either. She has a lot of energy and no inside voice. It would stress me out trying to keep her still and quiet. So we are waiting until she can handle it.
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
I haven't been brave enough to take my 4 year old either. She has a lot of energy and no inside voice. It would stress me out trying to keep her still and quiet. So we are waiting until she can handle it.
Exactly the same with my son ! Some kids just want to run around and play ! He can barely sit still for a half hour show !
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
I haven't been brave enough to take my 4 year old either. She has a lot of energy and no inside voice. It would stress me out trying to keep her still and quiet. So we are waiting until she can handle it.
Exactly the same with my son ! Some kids just want to run around and play ! He can barely sit still for a half hour show !
Have you ladies tried the drive in theaters? Idk if they have them in your area or not. But at least this way if little one doesn't use their inside voice you're in your car & won't disturb anyone else... Good luck
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
I haven't been brave enough to take my 4 year old either. She has a lot of energy and no inside voice. It would stress me out trying to keep her still and quiet. So we are waiting until she can handle it.
Exactly the same with my son ! Some kids just want to run around and play ! He can barely sit still for a half hour show !
Have you ladies tried the drive in theaters? Idk if they have them in your area or not. But at least this way if little one doesn't use their inside voice you're in your car & won't disturb anyone else... Good luck
They have one here ! But they usually don't air too many kid movies ! Last one they played was pitch perfect 2 and Jurassic park !
It annoys the crap out of me when people bring their babies and toddlers to the movie theater to see an adult movie. I just arranged a babysitter for my 4 year old and paid $15 for some adult time and now I have to listen to your child scream....or have the back of my seat kicked for 2 hours...yay!
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
I haven't been brave enough to take my 4 year old either. She has a lot of energy and no inside voice. It would stress me out trying to keep her still and quiet. So we are waiting until she can handle it.
Exactly the same with my son ! Some kids just want to run around and play ! He can barely sit still for a half hour show !
My four year old loves going to the movies. It's his treat for being brave and letting a strange lady take scissors to his hair(we have a very shy son to strangers). We only take him to the morning showings and to cartoons so I know there will be other kids similar in age there. Morning movies are usually bare theaters where I live. He does really good minus blurting out things he thinks are funny every once in awhile.
Re: UO Thursday
To put it bluntly, those kids look hot. And that's creepy.
Personally, I think I have more issue with the media and marketing of some children's clothing than the clothes themselves. That girl's outfit was a bit over the top but the boys really weren't that bad if you look at the individual pieces. Let kids be kids- take pictures of them being themselves, not posed like a call girl on the corner looking for her next john.
My UO is that I cannot stand tiny dogs and weird pets. I have a dear friend with many reptile pets. It bothers me to stay at her house with the stinky turtles and giant snakes. I love my big dogs, and don't quite understand the teeny tiny ones. A family friend had a yorkie-something mix that weighed maybe 8 llbs- that's less than her cat! (She also has two rose tarantulas, which I refuse to go near.)
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Exactly! Kids and "hot" should never be in the same sentence . . . Also, I dislike things like maxi dresses and wedges for little girls, even if they're modest, except maybe for going to church or something, because they're impractical.
I'm sure my daughter and I will coordinate looks. I can see her in baby skinny jeans and leapord shoes (as soon as I can find some that fit me, lol!). I've bought my son outfits to "match" his daddy, including a Misfits onesie I was sad to see him outgrow. But anything sexualized . . . No.
On the topic of bathing suits, my SON doesn't go out without a top on. Hello, light skin. He has his daddy's tendency to tan, but that SPF 50 rash guard saves my sanity. So my daughter will be dressed similarly. No bikinis till she's old enough to apply her own sunscreen, lol.
I can understand both sides...
My question though is this, if your not throwing your own shower how are you dictating what other people are getting you? Wouldn't the whole idea come from the host of the shower?
ETA: I was just thinking of my own shower, which is being hosted by my mother, best friend, and grandmother. The only details they have shared were the potential guest list, the time, and place. Nothing else because they don't want me to stress or worry. So now I'm semi panicked if one of them had requested something like this...and now I'm going to seem like an asshole to guests without knowing.
My question though is this, if your not throwing your own shower how are you dictating what other people are getting you? Wouldn't the whole idea come from the host of the shower?
ETA: I was just thinking of my own shower, which is being hosted by my mother, best friend, and grandmother. The only details they have shared were the potential guest list, the time, and place. Nothing else because they don't want me to stress or worry. So now I'm semi panicked if one of them had requested something like this...and now I'm going to seem like an asshole to guests without knowing.
Yes to this! My mom, sister, & bf (but mostly my sister) are throwing my shower and I have no idea what they are putting on the invite/what they are planning, and I have no intention of asking. I feel like it isn't my place. But I also don't want to look like a jerk if they do the book thing (DH & I are avid readers & my sis is all over Pinterest, so I could see it happening). So am I supposed to intervene and say don't do that?
Not all dogs smell ! My chihuahua smells like cherry/oatmeal ! That's what her shampoo is ! She rarely ever goes outside so she doesn't get smelly and icky !! But she is a HUGE responsibility, she cries a lot, wants to constantly be held !
Our family has season passes to Sea World San Diego. The whales are DDs favorite. We're going for the Fourth to watch the fireworks. We go at least once a month.
Anyway I totally agree with the kids clothing looking like mini version of adult clothing but it's seriously everywhere. Kids don't even go through an ackward ugly phase anymore! I mean I grew up in times of Stirrup leggings, long tee shirts, keds in every color and scrunchy socks. Seriously I had tee-shirts with troll dolls on them but I looked my age! Now everything for little girls is a mini version of teen or womens clothing. Boys clothes aren't as bad but I see parents trying to trend up their kids all the time. My step-sister let her 8 year old son pierce his ears and he wears those earrings that look like those ear gages (thankfully they're not) and I don't want to judge but I just don't like it! My 7 year old wants to know why his cousin wears earrings because he's never seen it before.
This.
I'm a goddamn cat mom now and forever.
Since I'm on the subject of animals also.
I LOOOVE MY FUR BABIES. Like really a whole lot. Whom I consider my first born kids and always will. No I WILL NEVER neglect my human child. Or have my animals take priority. But... My fur children most definitely have a spot in my family and heart. Always. I am a proud, animal loving, crazy, dog mom, and I couldn't be more proud to admit it. ;;) :x
I won't bring my 3.5 year old to any movie yet ! He's way to active and I know for a fact the poor people around me won't get to enjoy their movie !!
I had 2 cats but I kept them indoors because I capped their nails because of my leather sofa !!
They have one here ! But they usually don't air too many kid movies