We had our baby in Australia. I believe in the 1980s that they did away with circumsion. If you want the procedure here it's done a few months later and not covered by insurance and a surgery. Anyway there is no right or wrong answer here. The benefits of both sides can be argued until the cows come home. I've seen both sides of the fence in my dating life and both were agreeable. Lol . I chose not to circumcise my son. HE and his dad will look different but i highly doubt they will be comparing their penises. The reason to just do it so you look like dad is not scientific at all. I couldn't justify that argument. IMO, make a more educated decision.
Religion is the worse excuse for this mutilation. Where is the child's right to freedom of religion?
Wow! That is so incredibly offensive I can't even explain it to you. Your intention may not be such your post comes off as anti-Semitic.
The fact remains that the decision is up to the parents. To back up that fact, I will defer to The American Academy of Pediatrics. For some reason I do not believe that the link is posting properly so I have taken photographs and feel free to copy and paste the website.
Obviously any child would have their own freedom of religion. It would be their choice whether or not they would practice their religion. Or another one, or no religion at all.
@mollyjeanh that is an excellent question! I also took monotheistic religions and we never cross the subject either. And the answer is not an easy one. There is much debate as to why this is done on the eighth day. And there is a lot of variation as to why it is done so these days as well. Many Jewish people choose to have their son circumcised in the hospital. Others choose to do it at home and have this party that we call a Bris. The circumcision can either be performed by a Moile (Who is often times the physician and other times just a specialist in circumcision) or by a doctor in the home. In my experience, it is not uncommon for parents to have a physician on hand while the procedure is done at home. It is the time when a male Jew is formally given his name. A Jewish female is also given her name in infancy, however, it is done in the synagogue. So the main reason that this is done on the eighth day is because it is a commandment of the Torah. The Torah is the same thing as the Old Testament. So, it is in the Bible. I have copied a little excerpt that gives the jist of why it is the eighth day, but you could do research for years on end and not find a specific reason. There are also exceptions to this rule. One exception would be a premature baby that does not meet the weight requirement. For instance, my DH, I believe was circumcised around his second week of life, because he was a premature baby and he needed to meet a weight requirement first.
"In Judaism, circumcision is considered a symbol of the covenant between God and the Jewish people. In fact, bris literally means "covenant." The bris is on the eighth day so that the newborn baby will by necessity live through a complete week which must include a Sabbath. Once the baby has experienced the "holiness" of the Shabbos, he may enter into the covenant of the Jewish people."
And similar to what @Embuzz247 stated, my husband does not miss his foreskin whatsoever.
@jackiesue586 to go along with @BostonBaby1's response... Is getting a baby baptized when they're young also an infringement to their right of freedom from religion?? Should we not bring them to just one church as to not pressure them towards a religion? We probably shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter, or Hanukkah or Passover, or any other religious holidays either, so that they can have freedom of religion.
I know that is a ridiculous argument, and why would anyone go there? But saying that circumcision is against their freedom of religion is just as ridiculous.
Also, just to say, I absolutely believe in separation of church and state. I do not believe there should be prayer or religion in school. But we also can't take religious rights away from parents in how they choose to raise their own children.
@jackiesue586 to go along with @BostonBaby1's response... Is getting a baby baptized when they're young also an infringement to their right of freedom from religion?? Should we not bring them to just one church as to not pressure them towards a religion? We probably shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter, or Hanukkah or Passover, or any other religious holidays either, so that they can have freedom of religion.
I know that is a ridiculous argument, and why would anyone go there? But saying that circumcision is against their freedom of religion is just as ridiculous.
Also, just to say, I absolutely believe in separation of church and state. I do not believe there should be prayer or religion in school. But we also can't take religious rights away from parents in how they choose to raise their own children.
To further this point made, our great country (referring to the United States of America) was founded upon freedom of religion.
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care. But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication. Think about it.
Many do not... Another great point. However, I'm sure that they would cry their eyes out if they got penile cancer or an infection (G-d forbid) at the age of 45 and had to be circumcised. Men are not known for their tolerance of pain in general.
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care. But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication. Think about it.
Again with the judgment!! I'm glad you've chosen this thread to be so involved in this community on. It's good to see people's true colors right off the bat.
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care. But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication. Think about it.
Again with the judgment!! I'm glad you've chosen this thread to be so involved in this community on. It's good to see people's true colors right off the bat.
It's like "hi how are you? Haven't seen you around these parts before, and I'm sure I won't again. Let alone if anyone needs support or help. Just to be trolling for circ posts. Glad you could join us." :-q
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care. But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication. Think about it.
Wow that is pretty harsh and very extreme!! I think most of us have enough common sense to know this is a little far fetched!!
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care. But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication. Think about it.
Again with the judgment!! I'm glad you've chosen this thread to be so involved in this community on. It's good to see people's true colors right off the bat.
It's like "hi how are you? Haven't seen you around these parts before, and I'm sure I won't again. Let alone if anyone needs support or help. Just to be trolling for circ posts. Glad you could join us." :-q
For sure. Just feening for a circ post to pop up (since it's inevitable) to let us know how we are all failing as parents and mothers.
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care. But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication. Think about it.
I'm a ftm so I've never had to make this decision yet but if it is a boy he will be circumcised. My husband was born into a Catholic family and he was not circumcised and he hates it. He said in high school (in the locker room) he got mad fun of a lot. He is seriously considering having it done now because that's how much he hates it.
Ugh. I do agree this is a personal choice. But those of you worried about comparing penises should probably consider that circumcision rates have been falling for a long time and will continue to fall. The CDC says under 35% for hospital circumcisions (add in the bris babies to that). If you want their penises to look like most of the other little boys, that will be hard. It will likely be half and half for another five-ten years, and then more of them will be intact.
Edit - Did I really put penises and hard in the same sentence? Jeez.
I had a friend /co worker that ended up having to get circumsized in his late 20s. I asked him if sex was better before or after. He stated that it was different, but he couldn't say if it was better or worse. He said that his penis was no more or less sensitive either way. I asked him how he felt about his mother not doing it when he was born. He didn't blame her, but he did say it was really excruciating to get it done in his late 20s. Hope this helps.
To come on here and tell women making a personal choice about their baby that they are mutilating it, are you seriously THAT person?
This is wrong on so many levels. Whether or not to circumcise is a families choice, you don't have to like it and as many people demonstrated you can voice your opinion without bashing the mothers that make this choice and you can do it without being so offensive. I would strongly suggest that you drop yourself downs few pegs because motherhood is hard and guess what, none of us will be perfect we will all make mistakes. We are all out here to love our children to the best of our ability. This is more a cultural choice than it is a health one anymore. It baffles me that you can attack other women for making a cultural choice, that's pretty oppressive and downright narrow minded. Seems to be like you might want to do some research on rights....
I had a friend /co worker that ended up having to get circumsized in his late 20s. I asked him if sex was better before or after. He stated that it was different, but he couldn't say if it was better or worse. He said that his penis was no more or less sensitive either way. I asked him how he felt about his mother not doing it when he was born. He didn't blame her, but he did say it was really excruciating to get it done in his late 20s. Hope this helps.
Yes excruciating painful. Grown med are put under and given pain meds for the healing process.
Newborns are given a shot of local anesthetic to numb the area. Try pulling off you finger nail with just a shot of local and see how it feels.
They usually go into shock and "fall asleep" because their tiny bodies can't handle the pain. Just because they don't remember it, doesnt mean its okay.
Oh and they get to have the healing process done in a diaoer where they pee and poop on it.
Let me add .....
I had a friend /co worker that ended up having to get circumsized in his late 20s. I asked him if sex was better before or after. He stated that it was different, but he couldn't say if it was better or worse. He said that his penis was no more or less sensitive either way. I asked him how he felt about his mother not doing it when he was born. He didn't blame her, but he did say it was really excruciating to get it done in his late 20s. Hope this helps.
Yes excruciating painful.
Grown med are put under and given pain meds for the healing process.
Newborns are given a shot of local anesthetic to numb the area.
Try pulling off you finger nail with just a shot of local and see how it feels.
They usually go into shock and "fall asleep" because their tiny bodies can't handle the pain.
Just because they don't remember it, doesnt mean its okay.
Oh and they get to have the healing process done in a diaoer where they pee and poop on it.
Nope. My son was asleep BEFORE the procedure and stayed asleep through it. No shock.
You can chose what ever religion you want. I dont care.
But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication.
Think about it.
It is a parents choice. It is also their freedom of religion. It is wrong for you to come on here and shame parents for their beliefs. I am sure that there will be times where you as a mother do something that some one person may disagree with. But it doesn't make it right for them to treat you as you are treating other women on this board. It's their child in the end and obviously their decision in how they are going to parent their sons. As one PP stated... This was just a question as to what everyone else thought about it not an opening for bashing people. Plenty others have stated why and why not to have it done without throwing flaming balls of shit at them and calling them names and trying to make them feel as if they are horrible parents in their choices. Not everyone is going to agree with you or me or anyone else on this board. Get your panties out of a wad and suck it up. Until it's a law forbidding circumcision parents can do which ever they please. If you feel so strongly about it why don't you write the government and try to get "Jackie Sue's Anti-mutilation Law" passed.
There are actually tons of people trying to do just that. I imagine PP sympathizes with them. I don't get up in arms about stuff like that, I admire her compassion and believe that she's really trying to do the best she can to convince someone to reconsider circumcision. It isn't my method, but then I don't care that much about your kid's penis. I love that other people do and that their work and research has helped me make my choice.
I had a friend /co worker that ended up having to get circumsized in his late 20s. I asked him if sex was better before or after. He stated that it was different, but he couldn't say if it was better or worse. He said that his penis was no more or less sensitive either way. I asked him how he felt about his mother not doing it when he was born. He didn't blame her, but he did say it was really excruciating to get it done in his late 20s. Hope this helps.
Yes excruciating painful. Grown med are put under and given pain meds for the healing process.
Newborns are given a shot of local anesthetic to numb the area. Try pulling off you finger nail with just a shot of local and see how it feels.
They usually go into shock and "fall asleep" because their tiny bodies can't handle the pain. Just because they don't remember it, doesnt mean its okay.
Oh and they get to have the healing process done in a diaoer where they pee and poop on it.
Just out of curiosity, how many circumcisions exactly have you attended? Because if I had to guess how many I have been too just in the last 10 years, I would put that number at above 100. So your statement the babies going into "shock" and then fall asleep, is not reality. Have a few of these hundred babies fallen asleep afterwards? Certainly. After all, they are newborn babies. Newborn babies tend to fall asleep. But many do not and are absolutely perfect afterwards.
The healing process is completely sanitary. You use antibiotic ointment and gauze pads. So long as their diapers and dressings are changed frequently all should be perfectly healthy. I'm sure that you could find a few examples to contradict that but as I stated before, I have been to over 100 in the past 10 years. Not one of those babies got an infection.
Shock is a life-threatening medical condition that occurs when the body is not getting enough blood flow. Lack of blood flow means that the cells and organs do not get enough oxygen and nutrients to function properly. Multiple organs can suffer damage as a result. Shock requires immediate medical treatment and can get worse very rapidly. As many 1 in 5 people who suffer shock will die from it.
These babies are not in shock. Are you trying to imply that up to one in five babies that are circumcised die afterwards? I certainly hope not, because that will be a ludicrous point of view. The only thing shocking here is your choices of verbiage post after post.
"to look like daddy" is a really terrible reason. They'll spend perhaps five minutes of their lives - if that - looking at each other's penises and the other 80 years not looking at them. If his father loves him as he is, he won't care what his father's penis looks like. Or could this REALLY be about the FATHER's insecurities about the son having (shudder) more penis than him? Moms actually know more about having intact genitalia than circumcised fathers do, so they should NOT defer to the men, who don't know what they're missing. Most men in the developed world (outside the USA) are not cut, and they don't have all these problems people talk about - probably because doctors and parents know about intact care, especially not to meddle with it and try to make it retract before it's ready. Leaving babies' genitals alone, doing nothing, is safe, instantanous, free and almost always results in a happy man with no problems.
@jackiesue586 Cat got your tounge? You pop up on this BMB and throw in your highly controversial opinions but then you run away and don't answer a question?
I haven't read all the posts so far... But I'm a nurse and I work with the elderly. I'm going to add to the discussion that elderly males CAN have such a hard time with infections later. Because when they hit their 90s they tend to go a week or two without a shower at times. (As nurses we try to step in but they have the choice to refuse a shower.) My uncircumcised male Residents have a more difficult time... That's for sure.
Re: Thoughts from mothers of sons on circumcision?
The fact remains that the decision is up to the parents. To back up that fact, I will defer to The American Academy of Pediatrics. For some reason I do not believe that the link is posting properly so I have taken photographs and feel free to copy and paste the website.
https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/New-Benefits-Point-to-Greater-Benefits-of-Infant-Circumcision-But-Final-Say-is-Still-Up-to-parents-Says-AAP.aspx
Obviously any child would have their own freedom of religion. It would be their choice whether or not they would practice their religion. Or another one, or no religion at all.
@mollyjeanh that is an excellent question! I also took monotheistic religions and we never cross the subject either. And the answer is not an easy one. There is much debate as to why this is done on the eighth day. And there is a lot of variation as to why it is done so these days as well. Many Jewish people choose to have their son circumcised in the hospital. Others choose to do it at home and have this party that we call a Bris. The circumcision can either be performed by a Moile (Who is often times the physician and other times just a specialist in circumcision) or by a doctor in the home. In my experience, it is not uncommon for parents to have a physician on hand while the procedure is done at home. It is the time when a male Jew is formally given his name. A Jewish female is also given her name in infancy, however, it is done in the synagogue. So the main reason that this is done on the eighth day is because it is a commandment of the Torah. The Torah is the same thing as the Old Testament. So, it is in the Bible. I have copied a little excerpt that gives the jist of why it is the eighth day, but you could do research for years on end and not find a specific reason. There are also exceptions to this rule. One exception would be a premature baby that does not meet the weight requirement. For instance, my DH, I believe was circumcised around his second week of life, because he was a premature baby and he needed to meet a weight requirement first.
"In Judaism, circumcision is considered a symbol of the covenant between God and the Jewish people. In fact, bris literally means "covenant." The bris is on the eighth day so that the newborn baby will by necessity live through a complete week which must include a Sabbath. Once the baby has experienced the "holiness" of the Shabbos, he may enter into the covenant of the Jewish people."
And similar to what @Embuzz247 stated, my husband does not miss his foreskin whatsoever.
I know that is a ridiculous argument, and why would anyone go there? But saying that circumcision is against their freedom of religion is just as ridiculous.
Also, just to say, I absolutely believe in separation of church and state. I do not believe there should be prayer or religion in school. But we also can't take religious rights away from parents in how they choose to raise their own children.
But to think its okay to cut a HEALTHY functioning body part off of a non consenting minor in the name of "god" is just crazy.
And to compare this to putting a kid in a car seat or vaccines is also crazy.
You are just finding ways to make yourself better about the fact that you are okay with paying someone to strap your healthy baby down. Tear their penis apart and cut off a functioning part that has over 20000 fine touch nerve endings. With very little to no pain medication.
Think about it.
Anyhow, this is all getting to be MUD
I had a friend /co worker that ended up having to get circumsized in his late 20s. I asked him if sex was better before or after. He stated that it was different, but he couldn't say if it was better or worse. He said that his penis was no more or less sensitive either way. I asked him how he felt about his mother not doing it when he was born. He didn't blame her, but he did say it was really excruciating to get it done in his late 20s. Hope this helps.
This is wrong on so many levels. Whether or not to circumcise is a families choice, you don't have to like it and as many people demonstrated you can voice your opinion without bashing the mothers that make this choice and you can do it without being so offensive. I would strongly suggest that you drop yourself downs few pegs because motherhood is hard and guess what, none of us will be perfect we will all make mistakes. We are all out here to love our children to the best of our ability. This is more a cultural choice than it is a health one anymore. It baffles me that you can attack other women for making a cultural choice, that's pretty oppressive and downright narrow minded. Seems to be like you might want to do some research on rights....
Grown med are put under and given pain meds for the healing process.
Newborns are given a shot of local anesthetic to numb the area.
Try pulling off you finger nail with just a shot of local and see how it feels.
They usually go into shock and "fall asleep" because their tiny bodies can't handle the pain.
Just because they don't remember it, doesnt mean its okay.
Oh and they get to have the healing process done in a diaoer where they pee and poop on it.
The healing process is completely sanitary. You use antibiotic ointment and gauze pads. So long as their diapers and dressings are changed frequently all should be perfectly healthy. I'm sure that you could find a few examples to contradict that but as I stated before, I have been to over 100 in the past 10 years. Not one of those babies got an infection.
Shock is a life-threatening medical condition that occurs when the body is not getting enough blood flow. Lack of blood flow means that the cells and organs do not get enough oxygen and nutrients to function properly. Multiple organs can suffer damage as a result. Shock requires immediate medical treatment and can get worse very rapidly. As many 1 in 5 people who suffer shock will die from it.
These babies are not in shock. Are you trying to imply that up to one in five babies that are circumcised die afterwards? I certainly hope not, because that will be a ludicrous point of view. The only thing shocking here is your choices of verbiage post after post.
Moms actually know more about having intact genitalia than circumcised fathers do, so they should NOT defer to the men, who don't know what they're missing.
Most men in the developed world (outside the USA) are not cut, and they don't have all these problems people talk about - probably because doctors and parents know about intact care, especially not to meddle with it and try to make it retract before it's ready. Leaving babies' genitals alone, doing nothing, is safe, instantanous, free and almost always results in a happy man with no problems.