I would strongly urge anyone not to have any alcohol during pregnancy. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a very serious disability and it is not known how much or how little the amount of alcohol will harm the baby
Yeah it is known though because women in Europe drink mildly through all three trimesters and their kids come out fine consistently.
In fact, their kids are outperforming ours.
That's not DUE to the alcohol. But it's certainly not making a good case for fear mongering either, now is it?
This is my 2nd pregnancy. I had an occasional 1/2 glass of wine with my first but I can't remember when? Is it safe to have one 1/2 glass of wine in the 2nd trimester?
Yes, I know some people say no glass is safe, but this is for the people who think it's ok to have 1/2 a glass. Is that in the 2nd or 3rd trimester?
Thanks!
My midwife have the green light to 4oz (not half a glass by any means) of red wine (not white) during third trimester. No beer, no spirits or champagne. Just a small amount of red wine towards the end of pregnancy.
I never did it because booze makes me puke at any point during pg. No judgment from me though. I personally believe no amount is safe & the gamble is not worth it to me.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around why wine would be okay, but no other types of alcohol... I'm certainly not saying I'm going to go out boozing it up or anything (or that that is something I would advise). I just don't get why wine would be okay but beer wouldn't, when wine usually has more than double the alcohol content of a malt beverage.
Beer has the most non-alcohol calories and the least amount of alcohol so would metabolize more slowly than wine. Which, for the same reasons, would metabolize more slowly than, say, gin.
Alcohol is alcohol. Except that it's hitting at a slower rate because you have to take more time to ingest the same amount of alcohol. A shot is instant. A glass of wine or beer (containing LESS alcohol and more non-alcohol calories) takes more time to consume and eases through the system at a more reasonable rate.
The CDC, Surgeon General, and the American Academy of Pediatrics agree that no amount of alcohol is safe during pregnancy. Regarding previous posts, its not fear mongering.
Sorry, still not buying it. Because women all over the world do just fine with mild alcohol consumption. Historically our kids have been fine. I'm not saying you should drink. It's not really necessary to do so. I'm saying there is ample historical and modern evidence that consuming some alcohol does no harm. Again, european children, where they actually SUGGEST the occasional drink, are doing better than our kids.
Also, the CDC etc don't agree that ANY is dangerous. They're simply failing to state that ANY is safe, to be safe. That's what my doctor told me.
If you don't want to have any, don't have any! It's so simple. But don't nitpick or judge women who choose to have a glass of wine or beer now and again either. Save that for women who are consuming multiple drinks daily or binge drinking.
The CDC, Surgeon General, and the American Academy of Pediatrics agree that no amount of alcohol is safe during pregnancy. Regarding previous posts, its not fear mongering.
No, what they say is "There is no known safe amount of alcohol use during pregnancy." Not quite the same as "no amount of alcohol is safe." They say that because they can't conduct double-blind studies on just how much alcohol is safe. It would be unethical.
DS1: BFP 04/03/11 | EDD 12/02/11 | born 11/21/11 DS2: BFP 02/09/13 | EDD 10/26/13 | said goodbye 06/02/13
The CDC, Surgeon General, and the American Academy of Pediatrics agree that no amount of alcohol is safe during pregnancy. Regarding previous posts, its not fear mongering.
Sorry, still not buying it. Because women all over the world do just fine with mild alcohol consumption. Historically our kids have been fine. I'm not saying you should drink. It's not really necessary to do so. I'm saying there is ample historical and modern evidence that consuming some alcohol does no harm. Again, european children, where they actually SUGGEST the occasional drink, are doing better than our kids.
Also, the CDC etc don't agree that ANY is dangerous. They're simply failing to state that ANY is safe, to be safe. That's what my doctor told me.
If you don't want to have any, don't have any! It's so simple. But don't nitpick or judge women who choose to have a glass of wine or beer now and again either. Save that for women who are consuming multiple drinks daily or binge drinking.
I agree with most of what you say except the bolded above. With that reasoning, let's not use car seats or seat belts because none of our parents did back in the day right? And we are all alive and fine! And what about smoking while pregnant? My mom did and I'm perfectly healthy! No.
I quietly judge women who drink while pregnant. That and spanking bug the shit out of me and those are my hills to die on. I keep it to myself, but I judge them.
Why is it ok to judge and nitpick the women that have multiple drinks versus just one when no one really knows how much alcohol is TOO much to consume while pregnant??
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
I've seen people on these boards bashing others calling them selfish irresponsible dreadful alcoholic mothers because they suggested they wanted to have 1 glass of wine.
And my response is always - everything in moderation, including moderation (Oscar Wilde)
That's quite the exaggeration don't you think?
Not really. After 4+ years on these boards, she's pretty close.
Married July 2009, Rescue dog adopted September 2010, DS born June 2012
I am mostly interested in this subject because while i can give up drinking easily (i don't drink much to begin with) i am absolutely peeved at the amount of paranoia and panic out there.
For the record, my doctor also told me sushi is fine if it's a reputable restaurant and the fish isn't high in mercury. She said luncheon meats are fine, Flying is fine. Hummus is fine. Parsley is fine. Medium rare beef is fine. Even the occasional maw of tinned food... is fine. She said the only danger that hasn't been severely overexaggerated is smoking. Don't smoke. Don't ever smoke. At the very least, it lowers baby's oxygen (because it lowers your own) and gives them a taste for nicotine that makes them more likely to want to smoke when they age. If you do smoke, use stop-smoking aids to quit. At least until the baby is not getting any of it.
Also, illicit drugs. Don't do them.
Married July 2009, Rescue dog adopted September 2010, DS born June 2012
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
My own OB recommended a half glass of wine a week in my 3rd trimester.
DS1: BFP 04/03/11 | EDD 12/02/11 | born 11/21/11 DS2: BFP 02/09/13 | EDD 10/26/13 | said goodbye 06/02/13
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
My own OB recommended a half glass of wine a week in my 3rd trimester.
I significantly side-eye women who want/try/look for advice to induce labor early waaaaaay more than a woman taking a nip here or there of wine.
Married July 2009, Rescue dog adopted September 2010, DS born June 2012
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
My own OB recommended a half glass of wine a week in my 3rd trimester.
Good for you? You don't have to defend drinking. Do your thing.
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
My own OB recommended a half glass of wine a week in my 3rd trimester.
I significantly side-eye women who want/try/look for advice to induce labor early waaaaaay more than a woman taking a nip here or there of wine.
And see, I could care less about that. We all have our shit that we judge.
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
My own OB recommended a half glass of wine a week in my 3rd trimester.
Good for you? You don't have to defend drinking. Do your thing.
I'm not defending anything. But obviously it's not cut-and-dried side-eye worthy if some medical professionals are recommending it.
DS1: BFP 04/03/11 | EDD 12/02/11 | born 11/21/11 DS2: BFP 02/09/13 | EDD 10/26/13 | said goodbye 06/02/13
I think it's important to note that the reason women drink more freely, with less judgement and guilt, in other countries vs the US is due to litigation and our indulgent society. American doctors are so afraid that if they tell a woman that moderate alcohol consumption is okay, a woman wont know what 'moderate' means and will end up drinking a few glasses of wine a day, develop symptoms of FAS, and sue the doctor who told her it was 'okay'.
Show me a study that links anything less than 3 glasses of wine a day to FAS. I'd be interested to see it. Alcohol is medicinal and a glass of wine daily is recommended for a heart-healthy lifestyle. Heavy drinking and binge drinking are the bad guys here-not the moms who wanna relax with a lovely glass of fermented red grapes.
" The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) strongly urges women not to ignore the public health warnings associated with consuming alcohol while pregnant."
'...strongly urges women not to ignore the public health warnings...' is about as close to saying no as they get.
FAS is closing related to binge drinking and constant and chronic alcohol use. Some of the latest studies include women who drink 2 plus drink 4 days a week, or going on a binge drink session. Therefore a drink a week (or so) has never been connected to FAS. To push fear mongering that GASP, some one drank a glass of wine here and there, and now their child could get FAS is a little much.
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
Hope you're not eating McDonalds. Insects don't even touch that.
Seriously if you're going to hold your nose in the air, earn the spot it lands in.
I think it's important to note that the reason women drink more freely, with less judgement and guilt, in other countries vs the US is due to litigation and our indulgent society. American doctors are so afraid that if they tell a woman that moderate alcohol consumption is okay, a woman wont know what 'moderate' means and will end up drinking a few glasses of wine a day, develop symptoms of FAS, and sue the doctor who told her it was 'okay'.
Show me a study that links anything less than 3 glasses of wine a day to FAS. I'd be interested to see it. Alcohol is medicinal and a glass of wine daily is recommended for a heart-healthy lifestyle. Heavy drinking and binge drinking are the bad guys here-not the moms who wanna relax with a lovely glass of fermented red grapes.
" The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) strongly urges women not to ignore the public health warnings associated with consuming alcohol while pregnant."
'...strongly urges women not to ignore the public health warnings...' is about as close to saying no as they get.
Re: 1/2 glass of wine
Yeah it is known though because women in Europe drink mildly through all three trimesters and their kids come out fine consistently.
In fact, their kids are outperforming ours.
So there's that.
Also, the CDC etc don't agree that ANY is dangerous. They're simply failing to state that ANY is safe, to be safe. That's what my doctor told me.
If you don't want to have any, don't have any! It's so simple. But don't nitpick or judge women who choose to have a glass of wine or beer now and again either. Save that for women who are consuming multiple drinks daily or binge drinking.
DS2: BFP 02/09/13 | EDD 10/26/13 | said goodbye 06/02/13
I agree with most of what you say except the bolded above. With that reasoning, let's not use car seats or seat belts because none of our parents did back in the day right? And we are all alive and fine! And what about smoking while pregnant? My mom did and I'm perfectly healthy! No.
I quietly judge women who drink while pregnant. That and spanking bug the shit out of me and those are my hills to die on. I keep it to myself, but I judge them.
Why is it ok to judge and nitpick the women that have multiple drinks versus just one when no one really knows how much alcohol is TOO much to consume while pregnant??
If you don't want to drink, that is fine. Just stop judging other moms.
P.S. Between two pregnancies, I think I have consumed 2-3 ounces of wine, total. My babies were not a fan of wine.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
Alcohol use while pregnant is the leading cause of developmental disability and birth defects in babies in the U.S. Pretty scary to me. I'd rather not risk it and just wait to have alcohol when I'm not pregnant.
And no, I won't stop judging women who drink while pregnant. It's their choice, but it's a selfish one.
My own OB recommended a half glass of wine a week in my 3rd trimester.DS2: BFP 02/09/13 | EDD 10/26/13 | said goodbye 06/02/13
Good for you? You don't have to defend drinking. Do your thing.
And see, I could care less about that. We all have our shit that we judge.
I'm not defending anything. But obviously it's not cut-and-dried side-eye worthy if some medical professionals are recommending it.
DS2: BFP 02/09/13 | EDD 10/26/13 | said goodbye 06/02/13
Seriously if you're going to hold your nose in the air, earn the spot it lands in.