Ok how do you unfollow people? Not sure I remember how to do that.
There's not a single thing in this thread that warrants you "unfollowing" people.
We live in a world where people's opinions vary, are we all not adults? Are we all not able to handle those with different opinions without "blocking them" or putting our fingers in our ears and saying "la la la...I can't hear you".
Sex and gender are not the same. Science and ethic tell us that. This thread was tame, no reason to overreact.
I asked a simple question. It's not really about this board. I know that other people have blocked people and I'm just wondering how to do it. Just one person I can't deal with. And by the way we don't all have to agree on everything remember? Someone is not causing drama just because they disagree.
I feel like this post is fishing for arguments. I actually agree with the original posting and likes the topic but it looks like this has blown up a little in our faces. Gotta pick your battlefield better maybe?
Nope my hill to die on. Seeing it 20x a day is ridiculous. I won't call people out but staying silent is passive agreement. I didn't expect everyone would agree.
@AudriannaMaria I can appreciate your take on this. This post was made to potentially educate why the terms are not interchangeable not to crucify anyone.
I like your spin on this conversation and I feel this is also worth thinking about. I don't want to raise my child in a way that adds to gender stereotype expectations. And honestly, I'm not sure I know fully how to do that. It's something I've been kind of worried about.
On a side note and completely unrelated @28alex... Glad you're back to keep to BSC down on other boards. :-h I was waiting for a complete riot to break out! Lurking like WTF!
@erikaalzet were not finding out the sex of our baby, so we'll have a lot of 'gender neutral' stuff in the beginning. I'm not opposed to pink for girls and blue for boys, but for our baby I will be all inclusive. Whatever they want and enjoy I plan to embrace. And so far I tend to buy things that I just think are funny. Maybe one too many clever onesies in this house! :-/
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Nope my hill to die on. Seeing it 20x a day is ridiculous. I won't call people out but staying silent is passive agreement. I didn't expect everyone would agree.
Yeah I definitely have thoughts about this subject but it's not important to me that you know my opinion. I don't really care to agree or disagree. So call it whatever you want... Passive agreement. Fine. Whatever.
So my opinion is I totally disagree with OP... not sure how science can possibly prove gender in a different way as if it were disconnected from the sex.... we know a duck is a duck because it not only acts like a duck but it looks like a duck... Even if the duck tries to act like a pig it is still a duck ...
So my opinion is I totally disagree with OP... not sure how science can possibly prove gender in a different way as if it were disconnected from the sex.... we know a duck is a duck because it not only acts like a duck but it looks like a duck...
Even if the duck tries to act like a pig it is still a duck ...
Imagine living your life every day as if you were in the movie Freaky Friday and your mind/spirit (as a woman) was placed into the body of a man. That's what it feels like to someone who identifies with a different gender than the sex they were born with. That's the difference.
PaneVino said: Ok how do you unfollow people? Not sure I remember how to do that.
There's not a single thing in this thread that warrants you "unfollowing" people.
We live in a world where people's opinions vary, are we all not adults? Are we all not able to handle those with different opinions without "blocking them" or putting our fingers in our ears and saying "la la la...I can't hear you".
Sex and gender are not the same. Science and ethic tell us that. This thread was tame, no reason to overreact.
That is her decision to make on whether anything in this thread (or anywhere else) warrants her wanting to know how to block someone and not see any future comments from them.
So because my husband takes on the typically, and socially accepted feminine roles of a SAHM does that mean he is a female? No. Roles do not equal sex. If you look up sex and gender in a dictionary there are two totally different definitions.
Nope my hill to die on. Seeing it 20x a day is ridiculous. I won't call people out but staying silent is passive agreement. I didn't expect everyone would agree.
Yeah I definitely have thoughts about this subject but it's not important to me that you know my opinion. I don't really care to agree or disagree. So call it whatever you want... Passive agreement. Fine. Whatever.
That actually wasn't a response to you. And nowhere did I say anyone had to agree. And the unfollow is to the upper right.
I respectfully dissagree... though I don't think I've mentioned gender or sex on the board.. it seems like you are just looking to ruffle feathers... you said it and admitted that you knew people would disagree. That's divisive and even more divisive for you to be offended by their opinions when you already knew You have said this several times across the boards already...
So my opinion is I totally disagree with OP... not sure how science can possibly prove gender in a different way as if it were disconnected from the sex.... we know a duck is a duck because it not only acts like a duck but it looks like a duck... Even if the duck tries to act like a pig it is still a duck ...
Imagine living your life every day as if you were in the movie Freaky Friday and your mind/spirit (as a woman) was placed into the body of a man. That's what it feels like to someone who identifies with a different gender than the sex they were born with. That's the difference.
Thank you for such an amazing response @redfallon. I don't know if I could have put it quite so eloquently and nicely.
I think gender has very little to do with yours and your husband's decision to allow him to stay home with the children... sounds like a great way to immasculate him based on it... but it does not make him less of a man
Maybe I misunderstood ... you seem bothered... maybe not... you did mention a mountain to die on, which indicates a battle... You said staying at home was feminine. .. am I incorrect? If I am then I misunderstood
I know a lot of stay at home dad's that are VERY masculine. My husband only wishes he could stay at home. Lol believe me @mebaby333 I definitely didn't and still dont agree but I think @Marchmellow2 said it very nicely.
I don't live by social constructs lol.... I live by letting people be who they are ... and I don't believe those things change gender.. I think assuming that causes gender confusion... I get tired of these boxes... they cause flawed logic...
Exactly. .. they are masculine but they are being told they are choosing a feminine role... tell someone who is masculine they are making a feminine choice ... Anyway. . I'm done I will and do respect... I understand just my hormones getting me.. thanks for the nudge @AudriannaMaria
I said that he takes on feminine and socially accepted roles as the SAHP. Perhaps what I could and should have said were typically assumed feminine roles. Are you arguing that society, as a whole does not see being the sahp as primarily one in which women are most commonly associated with? Considering that, on a daily basis, people think he is the babysitter or its "daddy's day with the kids" I would definitely disagree. Obviously we (he and I) do not feel that child rearing is one person's job over the other. You can say all you'd like that you don't live by social constructs but to completely ignore that they exist is ludicrous. It would be awesome if people could just be who they are but turning a blind eye to the realities that society does have these boxes seems like less of a solution than admitting and actively working, even in small ways to create change. And yes, it's my hill to die on but no where did I say I was offended, not on here or IRL. I think that generally just talking about these sorts of things creates subtle change.
Exactly. .. they are masculine but they are being told they are choosing a feminine role... tell someone who is masculine they are making a feminine choice ...
Anyway. . I'm done I will and do respect... I understand just my hormones getting me.. thanks for the nudge @AudriannaMaria
Thanks for making huge assumptions about what I tell my husband. Awesome
I don't live by social constructs lol.... I live by letting people be who they are ... and I don't believe those things change gender.. I think assuming that causes gender confusion...
I get tired of these boxes... they cause flawed logic...
I don't think you're getting what she's saying. Having a little boy play with dolls is not going to make him think he's a girl. Or even wearing a play dress. Or having a little girl play with trucks or not liking wearing dresses. If in his mind, he inherently feels that he is a female and not just a boy that likes to wear dresses or play with dolls, that is where gender identification comes into play. Or if the girl feels that she is a boy.
Put it this way, imagine that tomorrow you woke up in a man's body, with all the same thoughts and feelings that you have today - your same mind and spirit. How weird would you feel? Now, imagine feeling that way all the time, feeling that you are stuck in a body that is not yours, like you're wearing a costume or something that you cannot take off. That's the reason of my Freaky Friday reference. Saying that you let people be who they are, yet you don't believe that can change someone's gender, is not letting someone be who they are.
Sex and gender are different, but at this point I do not care at all. Healthy baby is all I can think about. The rest is window dressing and questions that can find answers later.
Well she said she respected it and was done. This will be a never ending battle. No one is right or wrong goodnight ladies.
I think the problem is when someone says they respectfully disagree. This isn't a discussion of opinions. If you look in a dictionary sex and gender and two different things. We, as a society, just usually lump them into one.
Furthermore, when someone is transgendered and you say you respectfully disagree you're saying you don't acknowledge who they are and that's really hurtful. Because we are all behind a screen we don't know who we are talking to or what experiences they've had.
Sex and gender are different, but at this point I do not care at all. Healthy baby is all I can think about. The rest is window dressing and questions that can find answers later.
I'm in the camp of disagreeing. I also would love to see some of this "science" that proves women's souls can be infused in men's bodies and vice versa. Last time I checked, most of "science" can't account/explain for God or spirit realm, so why now do they attempt to explain incorrect placement of souls? The whole thing just seems far fetched and contrived to prove a point which doesn't make much sense to begin with.
As someone who happens to agree with not using the words sex and gender interchangeably, I do think this thread went from zero to 100 very quickly.
What I'm curious to know is what everyone's stance is on purchasing for a baby based on gender (regardless of actual sex)? I feel this is often where the hot button discussions come in to play.
Thank you to OP for throwing this out there. It is very important to be inclusive and educated about differences in the human experience!
@erikaalzet - Good dimension to add to this topic. We're going gender neutral despite the baby's sex. I want him/her to develop interests and preferences based on who they are, not based on stereotypes of what they should be. mom is having a hard time excluding pink and blue from her thoughts about nursery, clothes, etc.
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Even if the duck tries to act like a pig it is still a duck ...
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You have said this several times across the boards already...
Thank you for such an amazing response @redfallon. I don't know if I could have put it quite so eloquently and nicely.
... you seem bothered... maybe not... you did mention a mountain to die on, which indicates a battle...
You said staying at home was feminine. .. am I incorrect? If I am then I misunderstood
I get tired of these boxes... they cause flawed logic...
Anyway. . I'm done I will and do respect... I understand just my hormones getting me.. thanks for the nudge @AudriannaMaria
Put it this way, imagine that tomorrow you woke up in a man's body, with all the same thoughts and feelings that you have today - your same mind and spirit. How weird would you feel? Now, imagine feeling that way all the time, feeling that you are stuck in a body that is not yours, like you're wearing a costume or something that you cannot take off. That's the reason of my Freaky Friday reference. Saying that you let people be who they are, yet you don't believe that can change someone's gender, is not letting someone be who they are.
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Furthermore, when someone is transgendered and you say you respectfully disagree you're saying you don't acknowledge who they are and that's really hurtful. Because we are all behind a screen we don't know who we are talking to or what experiences they've had.
Bombs away.
@erikaalzet - Good dimension to add to this topic. We're going gender neutral despite the baby's sex. I want him/her to develop interests and preferences based on who they are, not based on stereotypes of what they should be. mom is having a hard time excluding pink and blue from her thoughts about nursery, clothes, etc.