Sorry but not sorry

Hairdesignee6 · May 2015

I just read a article that is cutting welfare in just a yeAr for people. I'm sorry but I'm damn near sick of helping people who just want to use the system anyways. When I really needed help they wouldn't help us. So the fact that they are doing this probably will be better because maybe more girls can think before just having a baby with anyone. I bust my ass daily 7 months pregnant just to pay my own medical bills and yet there's girls that stay at home all the time yet ringing in the ebt dough. I can barely afford groceries yet the government provides these people with a card that pays for their food. I'm sorry but it's bullshit when you work your ass off to pay for people like this who use the system and I know that it's not everyone but it's most people lets be real.

kelseyrayay · May 2015

Let me pop my popcorn for this one! ;;)

Hairdesignee6 said:
I just read a article that is cutting welfare in just a yeAr for people. I'm sorry but I'm damn near sick of helping people who just want to use the system anyways. When I really needed help they wouldn't help us. So the fact that they are doing this probably will be better because maybe more girls can think before just having a baby with anyone. I bust my ass daily 7 months pregnant just to pay my own medical bills and yet there's girls that stay at home all the time yet ringing in the ebt dough. I can barely afford groceries yet the government provides these people with a card that pays for their food. I'm sorry but it's bullshit when you work your ass off to pay for people like this who use the system and I know that it's not everyone but it's most people lets be real.

bpwife&mama · May 2015

I have to agree. It's there for the people who need it and I'm grateful for that, but I work at a bank and I see the people taking advantage of it and it makes me so upset.

Hairdesignee6 · May 2015

Thanks ladies for agreeing with me. I'm sick of people who use the system and drive around better cars then I do and have better phones then I dO

WSatisfiedP · May 2015

You have no idea about someone's situation that brought them to the point of having a nicer car than you or phone prior to needing assistance. Way to judge. I hope to never be in need of public assistance, and I hope to never judge people who reach out for help. How many paychecks are you from complete financial ruin? You have a pretty narrow world view.

Saratiff · May 2015

I mean we can't know everyone's circumstances. Are there people who abuse the system sure. Is the system flawed absolutely. I would like to see some reform. Like how about financial incentives to work, instead of I can only work s certain number of hours because if I work more I lose my benefits. Or how about incentives to have the dads stay in the picture instead of if there is a dad they don't qualify.I also 100 percent stand by drug testing welfare participants.

For people who truly need the assistance 1 year is simply not realistic. Maybe they need to show that they are actively trying to better their situation so they can graduate from needing benefits. Like I said I know the system is flawed. My husband and I work out asses off and does it sting to see how much we pay in taxes? Sure. But Ultimately the sad part here is its the children that will suffer the most. It's them who go without food, housing, clothing, and a proper parent-child relationship.

Mobile bumping so I hope this makes sense

emmacake08 · May 2015

I get the anger and the frustration and the libertarian in me wishes that it were up to us as individuals to help people in society that need help instead of having it government mandated through taxation. The complicated reality is that welfare is a system that has been built brick my brick for decades (seriously, look up the history and the U.S. prior to welfare) with very well meaning intentions and very nefarious reasons. Between knowing that it isn't going to change and my attempt to always try to not judge, I let it go. A Christian theologian once spoke of how if you give a beggar money, it isn't up to you to care or mandate how to money is spent, only to freely help. It is on their conscience and soul what they do with it.

brandimc0725 · May 2015

OP, I agree with you. It is supposed to be an assistance program, not a way of life. A lot of the people on govt. assistance come from generations of people who have been working the system for years. They know the ins and outs and every loop hole in between. They don't even try to earn their own way because they don't have to. It's these people, not those who have truly fallen on hard times, who infuriate me. The "why work when I can get it for free" attitude is BS! If you can pay for the latest iPhone, that designer handbag, and to get your nails done every week you should be able to buy food for your family. It's called priorities people!

hclzmm14 · May 2015

I can't figure out why you would post this thread? You want everyone to know how judgy and jealous and petulant you are? Cool I guess. Maybe empathy is what you're lacking?

This seems more like a topic for your Facebook status or something.

Hairdesignee6 · May 2015

No narrow view here. I watch people abuse it every single day and it's bull shit that I work my butt off to support them. If their going to be free loaders then there needs to be limitations like drug test, making sure they have a job or trying to get s job instead of sitting on their ass. I don't cafe whAt anyone thinks of me cause I'm tired of supporting people who don't want to do anything

EmEeGee · May 2015

Yeeaaah... You can be as mad as you want about it, obviously no one likes to see people taking advantage of the system. But I agree with pp's, you have no idea what goes on in other people's worlds and I'm not for limiting assistance if it hurts those who truly need it. I could go on... But this wasn't the place for this post IMO. The beauty of open forums I guess... :-q

hclzmm14 · May 2015

https://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/19844-food-stamps-are-affordable-corporate-welfare-is-not

WSatisfiedP · May 2015

@hairdesignee6 you failed to answer the question...how many paychecks are you from complete financial ruin. God forbid, anything happened preventing you and your spouse from working indefinitely.

Hairdesignee6 · May 2015

I'm not getting into a fight with anyone. I'm simply stating my opinion and I don't think it's fair for girls to go get pregnant and rub it in my face about getting everything paid for while I'm trying to do the right thing and work my butt off to pay my own medical bills. When I overhear girls sAy they need to cut their hours so that their assistance doesn't get cut off. I'm sorry it's bullshit and I'm not getting into this anymore. I think it's being abused by people and it needs better monitoring. The end.

laylababe3 · May 2015

Obviously it's legitimately needed by many, and I'm glad people can get the temporary help they need, but I have no empathy for those who ABUSE the system. Zero.

WSatisfiedP · May 2015

You say you struggle to pay your bills in a previous post. So, say you and your SO were in a debilitating accident requiring a lengthy hospital stay. Upon being released from a few months stay and rehabilitation, would you still have a house? A car? A significant savings to get back on your feet? What if you could never work again?

Like I said, your view is NARROW. A view of your very LIMITED experience.

I am not narrow minded enough to believe that everything a family has or has saved for couldn't be lost in a period of significant strife.

Hairdesignee6 · May 2015

When I watch people selling their food stamps for cash instead of getting food with it. Not ok.

Hairdesignee6 · May 2015

I don't think people understand honestly. I'm not against it for people who need it. Stop being idiots and think I hate all people on assistance, I just think it needs to be monitored better. Maybe they should investigate people's life's a bit more before they just freely hand out money to people who are gonna sell their food stamps for drugs and alcohol. Or the girls who go out and have kids with who ever they want without thinking of the consequences but instead they get everything paid for.

hclzmm14 · May 2015

Ok so you want to pay more money to hire more people to investigate every person receiving assistance but are pissed off you pay probably less than ten cents a day to food stamps programs? LOL

BabyBean815 · May 2015

cllgarrison said:
Ok so you want to pay more money to hire more people to investigate every person receiving assistance but are pissed off you pay probably less than ten cents a day to food stamps programs? LOL

Was just going to say this!! Because my thinking is that drug testing everyone who applies for assistance can't be cheap!

missmychard · May 2015

Perhaps your point would have been heard better if you had expressed it with the least bit of tact. No, not everyone abuses the system. Yes, it can be frustrating to witness people who do. Your post failed to acknowledge all of the facts and you ended up sounding ignorant about something that isn't black and white.

Edited because I also just have to wonder how in the world you thought a comment like yours could have possibly gone over well?!

abbycjones · May 2015

I think OP was just venting her frustration with the way some people are working the system when it comes to Welfare and Government assistance. And I can completely understand that.

When my SIL had her baby, my husband and I overheard a mother actually encourage her daughter to get pregnant again so they'd be eligible for more assistance. It's these kinds of people, with these kinds of attitudes, that continue to fuel the frustration with the way the system currently works.

Honestly, I'd rather know my tax dollars are going to drug testing for Welfare recipients than assistance being handed out blindly.

Those who work the system essentially clog it up and make it hard for those who really need assistance to get it.

Sometimes you have to look in to what someone is saying instead of the way they're saying it. Just a thought.

CaliforniaDream87 · May 2015

Ha! So you're mad that you can't "have a piece"? Smh. Yes, there are people who abuse the system. Just like any other system.There are also people who ginuinely need the system as well. Ever thought of how they may be affected by the cuts?

What was the point of this thread? You sound like a judgmental twit to be honest. Major major fail dude....

CaliforniaDream87 · May 2015

Hairdesignee6 said:
Stop being idiots and think

Yea....were the idiots...

jlsweets · May 2015

noobmama83 said:
Perhaps your point would have been heard better if you had expressed it with the least bit of tact. No, not everyone abuses the system. Yes, it can be frustrating to witness people who do. Your post failed to acknowledge all of the facts and you ended up sounding ignorant about something that isn't black and white.

Edited because I also just have to wonder how in the world you thought a comment like yours could have possibly gone over well?!

This

I'm pretty sure everyone on here would agree they do not support or have sympathy for those who abuse the system. Your post just came off as an ignorant statement generalizing it

MalonT23 · May 2015

Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.

Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation. We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.

I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.

chavemann10 · May 2015

Hairdesignee6 said:
I'm not getting into a fight with anyone. I'm simply stating my opinion and I don't think it's fair for girls to go get pregnant and rub it in my face about getting everything paid for while I'm trying to do the right thing and work my butt off to pay my own medical bills. When I overhear girls sAy they need to cut their hours so that their assistance doesn't get cut off. I'm sorry it's bullshit and I'm not getting into this anymore. I think it's being abused by people and it needs better monitoring. The end.

I have a "friend" that does this! Her husband had a great job and her a decent one, and she opted to stay home with their daughter and got assistance. Then, when the benefits went down, the husband took a lesser paying job to increase the benefit amount. They don't pay rent, pay like $12/mo for electric, get only god knows how much on food stamps, and she has pregnancy medicaid and medicaid for her daughter because her husband dropped them from his plan to save a little extra. Oh, and they drive brand new $50,000 trucks, which are in his parents names so that they don't have to claim them. These kind of people PISS ME OFF! I can't stand this kind of wastefulness.

I on the other hand, have opted to BUY my kids dental and vision and secondary health insurance thru the CHIP program just so that they can see the doctor without it costing me $1500 a shot. I still pay a premium every year to them because my employer does not offer vision or dental and their primary insurance costs me $552/mo. I bust my ass and after taxes and insurance, see about 1/2 of what my pay check should be. Do I wish we had more help...absolutely, we live pay check to pay check, BUT because we were raised to work to support our family, we do not qualify for any assistance as we both have full-time jobs. It's maddening to see people like us struggle and then see people like the above mentioned get handouts for being lazy.

BUT, you must also understand, not everyone is abusing the system as they are. If someone truly needs the help, I do not mind helping them. I pray one day I am not in the situation to actually need the help, but if I ever end up in that situation, I pray others don't judge me because I truly need it.

Nbar815 · May 2015

I really don't think you understand how it wprks at all, YOU MUST BE WORKING 30+ hours to even recieve ebt to that whole thing about sitting around and mooching is a load of ****; and people do not have kids just to recieve it, thats the most naive thought I've ever heard. Just because you're struggling and do not meet the requirements does not mean you should want to see others who are struggling even more suffer, thats just selfish and childish. A majority of your taxes go into much more than helping these people out so its not lile you are single handedly breaking ypur back to lift these people out of poverty, and just because they're getting benefits DOES NOT mean their life is any easier, having to live off of less than $180 for food and entire month doesn't mean the struggle to eat has disappeared.

Nbar815 · May 2015

Hairdesignee6 said:
When I watch people selling their food stamps for cash instead of getting food with it. Not ok.

YOU CANNOT EVEN SELL YOUR FOOD STAMPS ANYMORE; they come on a card, I work at a grocery store, so the claims ypu male are completely lacking any evidence.

carleym93 · May 2015

I remember being on government assitance when I was a kid because my dad was filing for bankruptcy and was not working because he was going to rehab for alcoholism. My mom was going to school full time and working as a waitress. She told me that her manager offered her a promotion where she would make more money and she had to turn it down. It turned out that with the promotion, she would have qualified for healthcare and therefore no longer been eligible for Medicaid and in paying for that plan, even with her new salary, she would have actually been bringing home less money monthly. She couldn't afford the promotion. The system definitely has its flaws, but I'm still not sure why this was posted. I doubt you will find ANYONE on this board or otherwise who think that people who abuse the system deserve the help. Also, I found your last statement about how its not everyone who abuses the system but its "most people" to be incredibly inaccurate. I'm sure we all know multiple people with government assistance, but probably only one person out of that bunch, if any, who don't use it correctly. I would encourage you to research it further before making a statement like that, and certainly do more research before offering solutions like having people look into everyone who applies for the help. That also costs money, those people need to be paid salaries also. As well as the costs of training people to do that job, the cost of drug testing that many people, etc. Guess who would be paying for that? That's right... you.

chavemann10 · May 2015

MalonT23 said:
Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.

Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation. We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.

I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.

^^^THIS!! With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system. You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!

hclzmm14 · May 2015

chavemann10 said:

MalonT23 said:
Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.

Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation. We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.

I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.
^^^THIS!! With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system. You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!

Just because you don't see something is wrong with a person doesn't mean they aren't sick. My mom has Crohn's disease and arthritis and is unable to work, but if you just saw her you probably wouldn't know. You really shouldn't judge that harshly period, it was very difficult for her to get on disability in the first place.

stow2009 · May 2015

I've also seen the temptation of government assistance keep people from keeping married. My cousin and his girlfriend will have their assistance taken away if they are married (since they will have a larger income). They live together with a baby. I don't think the system is taking into account the fact that so many people use loopholes JUST to get that money, but don't actually need it.

chavemann10 · May 2015

cllgarrison said:

chavemann10 said:

MalonT23 said:
Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.

Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation. We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.

I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.
^^^THIS!! With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system. You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
Just because you don't see something is wrong with a person doesn't mean they aren't sick. My mom has Crohn's disease and arthritis and is unable to work, but if you just saw her you probably wouldn't know. You really shouldn't judge that harshly period, it was very difficult for her to get on disability in the first place.

I'm not meaning it like that. I am a medic and when I pick up a person who has NO medical history, but still has disability, then yes, I believe they are abusing the system. I have an aunt who is on disability and had to fight for it, even though she is unable to walk without assistance, and is on oxygen 100% of the time. She is 80yrs old and they had a whole list of paperwork for her doctor to fill out in order to get disability. Then because she got it, her teacher retirement benefits went down. I'm not saying just because someone doesn't "look" disabled, doesn't mean they aren't. What I'm saying is if you have NOTHING wrong with you and are getting disability because your doctor helped you out...SHAME! I judge those people harshly!

hclzmm14 · May 2015

chavemann10 said:

cllgarrison said:

chavemann10 said:

MalonT23 said:
Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.

Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation. We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.

I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.
^^^THIS!! With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system. You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
Just because you don't see something is wrong with a person doesn't mean they aren't sick. My mom has Crohn's disease and arthritis and is unable to work, but if you just saw her you probably wouldn't know. You really shouldn't judge that harshly period, it was very difficult for her to get on disability in the first place.

I'm not meaning it like that. I am a medic and when I pick up a person who has NO medical history, but still has disability, then yes, I believe they are abusing the system. I have an aunt who is on disability and had to fight for it, even though she is unable to walk without assistance, and is on oxygen 100% of the time. She is 80yrs old and they had a whole list of paperwork for her doctor to fill out in order to get disability. Then because she got it, her teacher retirement benefits went down. I'm not saying just because someone doesn't "look" disabled, doesn't mean they aren't. What I'm saying is if you have NOTHING wrong with you and are getting disability because your doctor helped you out...SHAME! I judge those people harshly!

Gotcha! You are talking about con artists and sleazy doctors really.

chavemann10 · May 2015

@cllgarrison, EXACTLY!

missmarissa711 · May 2015

I am on Medicaid and I am 100% not ashamed to say it. I also was on food stamps 3 years ago because I needed help. I had no job, no savings, and was in a very terrible spot to the point where I would go to food banks every weekend in order to get by. The assistance with food helped me immensely and I am forever grateful to have had that at that point in my life. I was on it for about 6 months, until I became employed and then have not been on it since. Last year, I needed to get health insurance. I was going on 2 years without it and I needed it. I am a cancer survivor. I had Hodgkin's Disease and have been out of my remission with no scares, but having medical coverage is absolutely necessary for me. Also, I am very grateful to have it while being pregnant because I don't know what I would have done. Not everybody is taking advantage of the system. I guess some people just need a little more help than others. You talk about working hard and paying your bills. Well, you are an adult, and that's what you should be doing. Is that something you need to brag about? I pay my bills too, but I don't go around looking for pats on the back. Most people do pay their own way through life but unfortunately some people cant. Sometimes people do need a little help. And in my personal case, insurance is needed. Making a post about this is just odd to me. Is this really affecting you that badly that you felt the need to write a discussion on it on a pregnancy board? Or maybe you just wanted to start some trouble? You are on a PREGNANCY board. This could be very, very touchy for some women on here that are struggling to make ends meet for themselves and their families. I absolutely cannot stand when people look at me funny when I tell them I am on Medicaid. If I didn't have to be, trust me I wouldn't be. But it is essential to me and my baby to have coverage. You absolutely have the right to voice your opinion, but I just don't think you approached it correctly. I just felt the need to share my personal experience being on the other end of this because trust me, even close friends of mine have judged me for it. I am just so tired of hearing that famous sentence "everyone is milking the government" because it is not true.

holli0801 · May 2015

chavemann10 said:

MalonT23 said:
Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really ^^^THIS!! With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system. You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
And there are people who are dying waiting for approval for SSI/SSDI who are truly disabled.
chavemann10 said:

cllgarrison said:

chavemann10 said:

MalonT23 said:
Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young. My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support. The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids. My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to growing up without insurance, scary).

I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits. I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love. I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born.

I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,? Would we be taken away from our mom? Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.

Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation. We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.

I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.
^^^THIS!! With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system. You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
Just because you don't see something is wrong with a person doesn't mean they aren't sick. My mom has Crohn's disease and arthritis and is unable to work, but if you just saw her you probably wouldn't know. You really shouldn't judge that harshly period, it was very difficult for her to get on disability in the first place.

I'm not meaning it like that. I am a medic and when I pick up a person who has NO medical history, but still has disability, then yes, I believe they are abusing the system. I have an aunt who is on disability and had to fight for it, even though she is unable to walk without assistance, and is on oxygen 100% of the time. She is 80yrs old and they had a whole list of paperwork for her doctor to fill out in order to get disability. Then because she got it, her teacher retirement benefits went down. I'm not saying just because someone doesn't "look" disabled, doesn't mean they aren't. What I'm saying is if you have NOTHING wrong with you and are getting disability because your doctor helped you out...SHAME! I judge those people harshly!
People don't just get disability... Are they blind? Do they have a brain injury Significant mental health? I don't believe they have NO medical history. Do you have any idea how much paperwork, documentation, testing goes into a Ssi/SSDI application? Everyone (just about) gets turned down the first time and has to appeal. Everyone gets reviewed every two years and has to once again defend why they need it. People are dying waiting to get approved. People are losing their homes, their children etc while they wait.

holli0801 · May 2015

You don't have to be lazy or unemployed to get WIC or Medicaid or food stamps. There will always be people who take advantage of services, and there will always be people who fall between the cracks. I see WAY more people fall between. OP you are entitled to your opinion but this post is completely unproductive, so I'll stop there.

CaliforniaDream87 · May 2015

This post was a fail and I'm glad she got flamed. It's this type of mentality that causes the "mommy wars". Generalization at its finest...

kelseyrayay · May 2015

I knew this post was going to cause problems. Should have waited for the UO thread op!

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