June 2015 Moms

political thread

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  • Yes, that kind of display does not help their cause in any way. I'm pro choice, but I follow the 'choice' part of that, you can choose to be pro-life. Do what's right for you. I'll do what's right for me. When I see those kinds of displays I immediately think about crazy pro lifers. I know that those types of people are quite extreme and not representative of the whole group, but it does make the rest of the group look crazy. Not you @karaelaine1991 - I've found your faith and viewpoints to be different than mine, but very comforting and easy to relate to. Definitely not a crazy pro lifer :)
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  • mellymar said:

    Yes, that kind of display does not help their cause in any way. I'm pro choice, but I follow the 'choice' part of that, you can choose to be pro-life. Do what's right for you. I'll do what's right for me. When I see those kinds of displays I immediately think about crazy pro lifers. I know that those types of people are quite extreme and not representative of the whole group, but it does make the rest of the group look crazy. Not you @karaelaine1991 - I've found your faith and viewpoints to be different than mine, but very comforting and easy to relate to. Definitely not a crazy pro lifer :)

    Thanks! I try to keep the crazy to a minimum ;)
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  • mellymar said:

    I'm for the legalization of marijuana. People who have read my 'if I weren't pregnant for a day' bit would have guessed that. I'm not ashamed to say that I would probably vote for someone if they ran with that as part of their message. Of course, as much as I am for it, I wouldn't compromise some of my other stuff (women's rights, voters rights, peaceful resolution to conflict) for that candidate, but I would definitely take notice of someone who put that out there that would be part of their agenda. Just a progressive hippy pothead, here. :)>-

    I don't get the marijuana thing, but I have friends who smoke it on a regular basis and it hasn't seemed to impact their ability to be good people who have their lives together. Plus, to my knowledge, things haven't gone too terribly in the states where it's been legalized. I'd be fine with it being legalized, so long as it were regulated like cigarettes or alcohol. 
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  • devyns2nd said:

    Pro legalization here and i am super duper pro life but I would never protest like that. I think it's an automatic crazy flag when people do that. No one takes protest seriously anymore. It's not the 70's! We have Facebook for that, JK I'm anti FB too.

    Here's some of my political opinions:

    Obama is shady and if you pay attention a lot of his plots are surfacing.

    The Clinton train has to stop because they are scary AF, like mass amounts of people die suddenly when shit hits the fan around them. Super family's shouldn't be given power.

    Russia scares me too. Like they are waiting for war to break out so they can run the world.

    America has stepped in and "helped" all the wrong people "somehow" ?!?!

    conspiracy theories intrigue me and I can't stop. Like its a problem. I have too many books and watch too many tv shows on it.

    And our shady government is making "proud to be an American" harder and harder for everyone lately. Our vets aren't properly cared for and our freedoms are slowly being taken away.

    I don't like it.

    What freedoms would you say are being taken away specifically?
  • edited April 2015
    Frogger5 said:

    To me, it's almost never about the surface question. Take the marijuana. It's not about, "yeah, I like pot, and it's not that bad for people, let's make it legal." It's about what happens when it's NOT legal. The cost of incarceration (in dollars and human capital), law enforcement, loss of tax revenue - and use and the market for it exists regardless. Why let the black market criminals benefit from it? The privatization of prisons, for example, and the need to keep them full (and the money political candidates get from allowing/encouraging them in their districts) . . . it's all such a racket. Legalization makes a lot of sense to me, and I am proud to live in a legal state.

    Also the pro-life thing. I will not be convinced that politicians give two craps about whether a particular embryo or fetus lives or not. They just know that they can package pro-life in with a bunch of other issues (gun rights, less regulation - environmental, financial, privatization of public services, reduction of public services) and get people to the polls because of that one issue. The other issues are the money makers, and the power plays, and supporting those issues gets them elected. I know this is inflammatory, but I really feel like anyone (and yes, particularly women) who is convinced to vote Republican because that candidate is supposedly pro-life has been duped. I don't for a second doubt the genuine feelings any individual has about what should happen if a woman finds herself unexpectedly pregnant, but as a political issue I just don't buy it.

    I agree with you, and to be honest, I really feel that it's beyond the issue of whether abortion should or should not be legal. I don't think it's going to be made illegal any time soon and for that reason I'm not a single-issue voter (though there are a LOT of people in my family who are... such as my mom and my FIL...). For me personally, I believe life starts at conception and so, yeah, I do support the pro-life cause. But I think it's more effective to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place, rather than outlawing abortion and putting women in a position where they feel their only option is an illegal abortion. You don't want people to get an abortion? Educate them and make access to birth control easier so they don't get pregnant in the first place. 

    My mom would faint if she read that, lol. 
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  • And that, @karaelaine1991, is why I like you.
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  • edited April 2015
    mellymar said:And that, @karaelaine1991, is why I like you.

    Haha, thanks! I will admit, there was a time when I thought outlawing it ASAP was the best solution, but thankfully I've had the opportunity to have respectful conversations with people on the other side of the issue and listen to what they've had to say. And - shocker! - I don't disagree with everything they have to say! There are valid points on both sides. I wish more people were willing to have discussions rather than debates - we might actually be make real progress on
    many issues if more people were open to listening!

    ETA: To clarify, my personal preference would still be for it to be illegal. But I know everyone else doesn't think that way and at this point in time, I do think that making it illegal would cause more problems than keeping it legal for the time being and emphasizing education would.
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  • KaLikeAWindKaLikeAWind member
    edited April 2015
    So much good stuff mentioned above! @Frogger5 has an excellent point about what goes on behind the scenes to keep marijuana illegal (those privatized prisons benefit hugely from it being illegal) and the cost of such a practice (why indeed should my money be given to some guy who grows in his shed or purchases thru the channels of a cartel? I'd rather pay taxes on it! I would!).

    @devyns2nd has touched on something that really bothers me. "Proud to be an american". As the wife of an active duty military member, I am truly embarrassed by the care our service members get sometimes. Some stations we have been at have been so discouraging when my husband was sick or injured. Add into the constant struggles over budgeting (not our budgeting, I'm referring to when the government shuts down or deadlocks over a budget), where our service members are NOT paid if an agreement is not made over budget. This most recent disagreement over the DHS budget would have resulted in my hubs not getting paid but still being expected to guard our borders from drugs and rescue seafarers. Which of course, he would do, but that's how you thank your service members? By not paying them? Retired veterans get the shaft, they aren't managed medically well (a lot of them would really benefit from medicinal marijuana, actually). Our congress always wants to send our sons and daughters to war, but none of them have sons or daughters in the military, because they can afford to send their kids to school while the poor join so they can hopefully go to school with the GI bill. Ugh... Just... I could go all day

    ETA - did you know that there are more NYPD than there are in the *whole* Coast Guard? And they are funded better, also?
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  • @karaelaine1991 - exactly. If the political pro-life wing really wanted to reduce abortions, they'd be all for increased access to birth control and education, improving support and services for pregnant women so adoption would be more accessible, etc. It's a little off topic, but they should also care about the children and women after birth. Funny how you never really see any of that on any GOP platforms.
  • Frogger5 said:

    @karaelaine1991 - exactly. If the political pro-life wing really wanted to reduce abortions, they'd be all for increased access to birth control and education, improving support and services for pregnant women so adoption would be more accessible, etc. It's a little off topic, but they should also care about the children and women after birth. Funny how you never really see any of that on any GOP platforms.

    I agree with all of this!! :) 
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  • Frogger5 said:

    devyns2nd said:

    Pro legalization here and i am super duper pro life but I would never protest like that. I think it's an automatic crazy flag when people do that. No one takes protest seriously anymore. It's not the 70's! We have Facebook for that, JK I'm anti FB too.

    Here's some of my political opinions:

    Obama is shady and if you pay attention a lot of his plots are surfacing.

    The Clinton train has to stop because they are scary AF, like mass amounts of people die suddenly when shit hits the fan around them. Super family's shouldn't be given power.

    Russia scares me too. Like they are waiting for war to break out so they can run the world.

    America has stepped in and "helped" all the wrong people "somehow" ?!?!

    conspiracy theories intrigue me and I can't stop. Like its a problem. I have too many books and watch too many tv shows on it.

    And our shady government is making "proud to be an American" harder and harder for everyone lately. Our vets aren't properly cared for and our freedoms are slowly being taken away.

    I don't like it.

    What freedoms would you say are being taken away specifically?
    The two big ones are:
    -our right to bear arms
    -our right to privacy (patriot act)

    And simple civil liberties like what we can or can't have on our properties even daycares are weighing children and forcing meal plans on them. Our freedom of choice, even federally mandated laws are forced on individual states. they are taking away our voice slowly.

    Forgive My grammmet my keyboard does wedadec what it wants!,
    ...Left that unedited for scale. I'd go crazy trying to fix everything.
  • Our right to privacy.
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  • devyns2nd said:

    Frogger5 said:

    devyns2nd said:

    Pro legalization here and i am super duper pro life but I would never protest like that. I think it's an automatic crazy flag when people do that. No one takes protest seriously anymore. It's not the 70's! We have Facebook for that, JK I'm anti FB too.

    Here's some of my political opinions:

    Obama is shady and if you pay attention a lot of his plots are surfacing.

    The Clinton train has to stop because they are scary AF, like mass amounts of people die suddenly when shit hits the fan around them. Super family's shouldn't be given power.

    Russia scares me too. Like they are waiting for war to break out so they can run the world.

    America has stepped in and "helped" all the wrong people "somehow" ?!?!

    conspiracy theories intrigue me and I can't stop. Like its a problem. I have too many books and watch too many tv shows on it.

    And our shady government is making "proud to be an American" harder and harder for everyone lately. Our vets aren't properly cared for and our freedoms are slowly being taken away.

    I don't like it.

    What freedoms would you say are being taken away specifically?
    The two big ones are:
    -our right to bear arms
    -our right to privacy (patriot act)

    And simple civil liberties like what we can or can't have on our properties even daycares are weighing children and forcing meal plans on them. Our freedom of choice, even federally mandated laws are forced on individual states. they are taking away our voice slowly.

    Forgive My grammmet my keyboard does wedadec what it wants!,
    ...Left that unedited for scale. I'd go crazy trying to fix everything.
    Those are two big debatable points, that's for sure! The arms one is less interesting to me because I don't think I need that "right" and I think there is SO much interpretation of the Bill of Rights that it's hard to say what (200+ years later and living in a completely different society) we really "should" be allowed. The privacy thing is very interesting, though. It's the conservative side that wants less privacy rights, though. So you kind of have to pick which you care more about, having guns or having privacy! I wish we had more options than two parties!
  • aliciac2008aliciac2008 member
    edited April 2015
    I am pro choice, but I don't think I could ever get an abortion myself. I am glad the option exists for others though. My husband took a woman's studies class (or something like that) where they talked about abortion. One of the things that surprised me was how many woman would attempt to give themselves an abortion when it was illegal. And this was done in very dangerous ways (think wire clothes hanger). Making it legal makes it safe when desperate woman would find a way to have an abortion any way.

    Also, my mom had an abortion when she was a kid because she was raped by her father and became pregnant with his kid. I'm glad my mom was able to have an abortion so she didn't have to deal with the emotional toll that would have placed on her.

    Again, I couldn't see myself ever getting an abortion, but I'm glad the option is there for others.

    Eta: sorry if there's typos or this doesn't make sense. Typing it quickly before my next appointment shows up.
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  • Two questions about guns:
    1) how has the right to bear arms been taken away?
    2) how do we solve the growing problem of school and public shootings? (If you say more guns, I need facts and a lot more detail)

    Abortion: I hate the term Pro-Life. You can be pro-life and still be pro-choice. After being pregnant myself, I am fiercely pro-choice. My body doesn't feel like my own right now. So the idea that someone could legislate further what choices I can and cannot make about what is happening to my own body makes me mad as hell. I cannot even conceive of trying to impose my view on abortion onto another woman.

    I hate democracy, you guys. I think it affords a lot of important rights that don't exist under any other current system. However, I do not think the vast majority of the population, even myself, is qualified to make public policy decisions. There should be minimum qualification standards for every high level politician, in the same way there are minimum qualification standards for every job.
  • The whole gun thing. I just don't see why average people need to have mad crazy sniper rifles and machine guns and stuff. But I don't know that making them illegal is a solution, either. Like marijuana, it would just create a black market, making more criminals have guns... Vicious circle. But damn, Americans are so gun thirsty. We're batshit about our guns. I just don't understand. I have no ideas on this front, I'm just saying, I don't understand
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  • devyns2nd said:



    Obama is shady and if you pay attention a lot of his plots are surfacing.

    What are his plots?
  • devyns2nddevyns2nd member
    edited April 2015
    amark11 said:

    devyns2nd said:



    Obama is shady and if you pay attention a lot of his plots are surfacing.

    What are his plots?
    I could talk about it all day but what bothers me the most is that he traded 5 terrorist to bring home a man he had imprisoned. We have had how many hostage situations and he keeps saying we don't negotiate with terrorists??? Ummm what happened that time? It's shady. He keeps using executive power and no one says anything. Ugh and I don't get why he tried so hard to keep Benjamin Netanyahu from winning this election. Israel is rather important to Christianity and I dont like that he refuses to help protect them from Iran. Ugh and let's back out of Yemen because they are safe now...just in time for ISIS to invade?

    Btw I so feel like everyone has experienced life in a different way and politics are different depending on your location. were all friends ;)

    Oh and the gun thing...no one needs automatic weapons. That's understandable. I however do want the choice to protect my family and my land. I've been held at gun point and it's not fun. I will never be that vulnerable again.

    ETA because my phone hates me and the ughs are for examples that I couldn't not give even though I planned on just giving one.
  • Somebody earlier said they didn't trust Hillary because she was part of a powerhouse family. But... The semi favorites from the red side also are technically from powerhouse families. Jeb Bush for sure is.
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  • mellymar said:

    Somebody earlier said they didn't trust Hillary because she was part of a powerhouse family. But... The semi favorites from the red side also are technically from powerhouse families. Jeb Bush for sure is.

    I would not vote for Jeb Bush either! I'm pulling for Huckabee. If he comes out.
  • What do you believe will be the top 2 hot topics in this coming election?

    1. Gay Rights
    2. Women's Rights

  • What do you believe will be the top 2 hot topics in this coming election?

    1. Gay Rights
    2. Women's Rights

    ISIS/war on terror
    our national deficit
  • I said it in 2008, and I'll say it again now. Ron Paul for president.
  • mellymar said:

    Somebody earlier said they didn't trust Hillary because she was part of a powerhouse family. But... The semi favorites from the red side also are technically from powerhouse families. Jeb Bush for sure is.

    As far as politics go, I am not a fan of the Bushes or the Clintons. But to be honest, I wouldn't mind hanging out with the Bushes for a day. Laura Bush used to be a librarian so I feel like we'd bond over that and if nothing else George W. seems like a nice guy, IMO, even if he's not the brightest. But as far as politics go... not my favorites. I agree with @Serenamarr, Ron Paul is awesome. Too bad he's so old :/
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  • @karaelaine1991 he could squeeze out 4 years... Like I said, the country was in a position where it really could've used him in 2008, and I think if him or someone like him doesn't get in this election, the country is basically doomed and I'm moving to Germany.

    :-h
  • @karaelaine1991 he could squeeze out 4 years... Like I said, the country was in a position where it really could've used him in 2008, and I think if him or someone like him doesn't get in this election, the country is basically doomed and I'm moving to Germany.

    :-h

    Haha I haven't reached that point yet, but I agree, he would've been great in 2008. I'd love to see him win this election but unfortunately I don't think he'll get enough support.
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  • Maybe an UO, but I feel that's it's odd one of our posters is naming their kid John Galt. It's such a charged and politicized name - what if the kid grows up and decides he's not a libertarian? And apologies if the June mama who's doing this is offended - I can't recall who it was, honestly. But I'm curious about it. Although to be fair, if I named my kid Ruth Bader Baby, is that any less prescriptive for my kid? Anyone else here naming their kid after a political figure?
  • hoodoll82 said:

    Maybe an UO, but I feel that's it's odd one of our posters is naming their kid John Galt. It's such a charged and politicized name - what if the kid grows up and decides he's not a libertarian? And apologies if the June mama who's doing this is offended - I can't recall who it was, honestly. But I'm curious about it. Although to be fair, if I named my kid Ruth Bader Baby, is that any less prescriptive for my kid? Anyone else here naming their kid after a political figure?

    No but I would absolutely name a boy Teddy after Theodore Roosevelt, he's my favorite <3
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  • What do you believe will be the top 2 hot topics in this coming election?

    1. Gay Rights
    2. Women's Rights

    Ooh, tough one. For the blue, it'll be women's rights. For the red, it'll be gay rights (some of the right are beginning to come around on that issue, and the others will still stand fast on it).

    mellymar said:

    Somebody earlier said they didn't trust Hillary because she was part of a powerhouse family. But... The semi favorites from the red side also are technically from powerhouse families. Jeb Bush for sure is.

    As far as politics go, I am not a fan of the Bushes or the Clintons. But to be honest, I wouldn't mind hanging out with the Bushes for a day. Laura Bush used to be a librarian so I feel like we'd bond over that and if nothing else George W. seems like a nice guy, IMO, even if he's not the brightest. But as far as politics go... not my favorites. I agree with @Serenamarr, Ron Paul is awesome. Too bad he's so old :/
    I'd hang out with Bill (Clinton). We know that dude smokes green and is a pimp, I bet he's got some stories to tell. We'd toss back a few beers and smoke a blunt and ask him for funny anecdotes on world leaders (like the time some foreign minister farted at a conference or something)
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  • I've heard that Rand Paul (Rons son) maybe running
  • Jed Bartlet for president!
  • I've heard that Rand Paul (Rons son) maybe running

    Yeah, I want to do some more research on him. I've heard his name linked with a few things I wasn't crazy about - can't remember what they were now thanks to pregnancy brain but maybe they'll come to me later... I definitely want to look more into him though, along with Marco Rubio (not Hillary though, like I said, I'm not a fan of the Clintons). 
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  • Westypet said:

    Jed Bartlet for president!

    Fitzgerald Grant for President
    :x
  • Gaius Balthar for president!
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