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Beachy730 · January 2015

DH is the opposite and can't wait to sign up to get snipped. He has to wait til 6 months after the baby is born though.

catahoulatte · January 2015

babycarb said:

This may not be unpopular, but I think that if I can go through 2 pregnancies and 2 vaginal births (assuming that's what I'll have next), then my husband can get a little snip snip when we're all done. He's acting like this is too much for him to handle. Trust me--I get it. It's a surgery on your man parts, but I mean I think I've "taken one for the team" by this point.

(If I end up with an unexpected c-section, then it's a moot point because I'll just get "fixed" then.)

My husband brought up doing this after we have this baby (HIM getting the vasectomy). I actually got kind of sad, even though I have no desire for a third child. It seems so final.

bumpuser8571475 · January 2015

ChristyM87 said:
UO. Since we are on the topic. The idea of permanent birth control terrifies me. Maybe I will feel differently after a couple kids but right now when we talk about future methods after we are done I am always like but what if I change my mind.

I used to feel this way too. Then I got pregnant, exhausted, and still had to chase after my toddler which made it extremely clear to me that we're done after this one. I would never blame anyone who didn't feel comfortable with permanent birth control but like you said, maybe having kids will change your mind? If not, at least there's less permanent options.

ChristyM87 · January 2015

emilyinparis said:

ChristyM87 said:
UO. Since we are on the topic. The idea of permanent birth control terrifies me. Maybe I will feel differently after a couple kids but right now when we talk about future methods after we are done I am always like but what if I change my mind.
I used to feel this way too. Then I got pregnant, exhausted, and still had to chase after my toddler which made it extremely clear to me that we're done after this one. I would never blame anyone who didn't feel comfortable with permanent birth control but like you said, maybe having kids will change your mind? If not, at least there's less permanent options.

Yeah right now my thoughts are copper IUD, but we'll see

jr0310 · January 2015

sassycassieb said:

jr0310 said:

jlbaker08 said:
@jr0310 Nicodemus? WT actual F?

Its literally been suggested to me and every other poster who can't come up with a boys name.

Lol this is probably an UO but some of the names that are suggested on that board are straight up butt ugly. I really don't care if my kid's name is in the top 100, I don't know why people make such a huge deal about whether or not a name is popular. Purposely digging into the depths of name lists for things like "Nicodemus" to avoid having a kid with a common name is worse to me than you-neek spellings that get flamed over there.

I agree! And any time you hear a ridiculous name suggested in place of a popular one, they're all "well this one has a legit BACKGROUND and can be traced to historical roots." I don't give a shit if its a legit name or not. If kids are gonna question the name at all, they won't care if you say "my mom kinda made it up" or "well this name dates back to the 1840 in Italy." They're going to make fun of it either way.

foreverMorgan · January 2015

I guess that's another of my UO: I'm not comfortable with any form of BC that requires a medical professional. I'm ok with condoms or abstinence.

Apparently, DH thinks I've been kidding all these years. Now he's talking about "getting fixed" and I'm struggling with the idea.

ChristyM87 · January 2015

lynnyloo said:

ChristyM87 said:

kristhegirl said:
I was really confused by the whole "America runs on Dunkin'" campaign, because at the time I lived in OKC and I think there was ONE, brand-new DD somewhere in the city.

Then I moved to DC and it all made sense. Ah, I miss DC.

Lol I live in DC and I hate it. I hate the huge city, I feel most people here act like entitled you know what, and the cost of living is ridiculous

Fortunately husband agreed prior to us getting pregnant that we would move back home before the baby starts kindergarten. Now I have a countdown

I agree! I can't wait to move from the area, although it won't probably be for another 3-5 years.

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He also realizes that we may need to move sooner or space our kids out more than we planned. We can't afford child care for two kids here

ifwisheswerefishes · January 2015

3timemom said:

@Beachy730 I totally agree. I hate when mom's get all "but it's elective surgery" with me. My OB is 90% sure a baby will never make it out vaginally, last time my CS was an emergency after 2.5 hours of hard labor, I'll take RCS for sure this time thank you very much.
Agree. My thinking is if you had a CS the first time around unless it was for like a breech or maybe multiples why would you try and torture yourself through labor when it could end in a RCS? I also like the whole here is the day and time to be here and we will deliver the baby. Makes planning so much easier. I am excited for another CS.

For me, it's because I want redemption. They botched my induction that lead me to an unnecessary c/s after 28 hrs. I don't want another c/s. I wish I could express how HARD I have been fighting to get this VBAC, and how worth it all of this is to me.

ShawnaM83 · January 2015

emilyinparis said:

ChristyM87 said:
UO. Since we are on the topic. The idea of permanent birth control terrifies me. Maybe I will feel differently after a couple kids but right now when we talk about future methods after we are done I am always like but what if I change my mind.
I used to feel this way too. Then I got pregnant, exhausted, and still had to chase after my toddler which made it extremely clear to me that we're done after this one. I would never blame anyone who didn't feel comfortable with permanent birth control but like you said, maybe having kids will change your mind? If not, at least there's less permanent options.

DH and I were both set to get "fixed" after this one (which ended up a year earlier than planned and double the babies). Even though I am having a RCS, my OB recommended just having him get done. She said it would be easier recovery. He said he was good with that but we haven't actually talked it to a final decision.

SlurpeeLove · January 2015

CALEO said:

CALEO said:

I judge people who have "outside" only dogs. If you're not going to let your dog be a member of your pack, don't get a dog. They have emotional needs. Not to mention physical - warmth, shelter, etc. It seems so cruel to me.

My dog's "pack" is our cat. They roughhouse but also clean each other. Does that count?
It counts if you also let your dog in your house!

We have these neighbors that keep their small dogs outside all day long. I'm talking a dachshund and a miniature poodle. Those dogs are not equipped for extended outdoor exposure! Especially in Chicago! And then since they are just left there, they bark ALL. DAY. LONG.

nittanyllama · January 2015

CALEO said:
I judge people who have "outside" only dogs.

If you're not going to let your dog be a member of your pack, don't get a dog. They have emotional needs. Not to mention physical - warmth, shelter, etc.

It seems so cruel to me.

There is a small "farmette" behind our house with goats and an alpaca. They also keep a dog outside with the animals year round and it still makes me sad. I'm not sure if the dog does actual work, but she seems lonely. When I go outside she runs over to the fence and will enthusiastically (beg?) let me pet her forever if I don't stop and she just stares at my eyes and I melt :-( Not to mention the freezing temps right now!

bumpuser8571475 · January 2015

ChristyM87 said:

emilyinparis said:

ChristyM87 said:
UO. Since we are on the topic. The idea of permanent birth control terrifies me. Maybe I will feel differently after a couple kids but right now when we talk about future methods after we are done I am always like but what if I change my mind.

emilyinparis said:

ChristyM87 said:
UO. Since we are on the topic. The idea of permanent birth control terrifies me. Maybe I will feel differently after a couple kids but right now when we talk about future methods after we are done I am always like but what if I change my mind.
I used to feel this way too. Then I got pregnant, exhausted, and still had to chase after my toddler which made it extremely clear to me that we're done after this one. I would never blame anyone who didn't feel comfortable with permanent birth control but like you said, maybe having kids will change your mind? If not, at least there's less permanent options.
Yeah right now my thoughts are copper IUD, but we'll see
That's what I had before I got pregnant, and I loved it.

mrsgeiser · January 2015

kate5all said:
My UO was inspired by a picture I saw on Facebook...

...it bugs me when I see selfies of moms who are "sleeping" while cuddling with their baby. Your baby fell asleep on your neck and that in itself is adorable, but why do you have to pretend that you're conked out, too? We can see your shoulder and arm--we know you took the picture!

Seriously! Also along this line - when I first started dating MH he sent me a picture of him in bed being snuggled by his dogs...looked like he was sleeping and I thought is was so weird that he was sending me that picture and who the hell was in his bed with him to take it!?! Haha - totally a fake-sleeping selfie!

Beachy730 · January 2015

ifwisheswerefishes said:

3timemom said:

@Beachy730 I totally agree. I hate when mom's get all "but it's elective surgery" with me. My OB is 90% sure a baby will never make it out vaginally, last time my CS was an emergency after 2.5 hours of hard labor, I'll take RCS for sure this time thank you very much.
Agree. My thinking is if you had a CS the first time around unless it was for like a breech or maybe multiples why would you try and torture yourself through labor when it could end in a RCS? I also like the whole here is the day and time to be here and we will deliver the baby. Makes planning so much easier. I am excited for another CS.

For me, it's because I want redemption. They botched my induction that lead me to an unnecessary c/s after 28 hrs. I don't want another c/s. I wish I could express how HARD I have been fighting to get this VBAC, and how worth it all of this is to me.

I hope you're able to get it then. I mean, I still think you're crazy and all, but I hope you can get it if its important to you.

kate5all · January 2015

My friend's sister and her husband decided to do a vasectomy after their daughters were born. A few years later (like maybe 1 or 2) one daughter told them about a dream she'd had about her "little brothers". Because the names of these boys in her dream were the same boy names they'd talked about previously, they took this as a sign from God and DROVE TO ALABAMA* TO HAVE THE VASECTOMY REVERSED AT AN UNLICENSED CLINIC OMG.

Sorry for the caps, but I heard that story and was like

:-O

*I actually can't remember which state it was. Something South!

caymarks · January 2015

My sister had to be able to go into the doctors office and discuss her husbands vasectomy without crying before they'd even think about doing it. It was part of the weeding out process. Making sure the couple was really ok with a permanent decision.

jr0310 · January 2015

ashslatts524 said:

jr0310 said:

@jr0310 Nicodemus? WT actual F?

Its literally been suggested to me and every other poster who can't come up with a boys name.

Lol this is probably an UO but some of the names that are suggested on that board are straight up butt ugly. I really don't care if my kid's name is in the top 100, I don't know why people make such a huge deal about whether or not a name is popular. Purposely digging into the depths of name lists for things like "Nicodemus" to avoid having a kid with a common name is worse to me than you-neek spellings that get flamed over there.
I agree! And any time you hear a ridiculous name suggested in place of a popular one, they're all "well this one has a legit BACKGROUND and can be traced to historical roots." I don't give a shit if its a legit name or not. If kids are gonna question the name at all, they won't care if you say "my mom kinda made it up" or "well this name dates back to the 1840 in Italy." They're going to make fun of it either way.
Is it weird that when I think of the birth name board I picture the Volturi from Twilight? Just people dressed in robes making decisions about your kid's future as if they're the be all end all.

I totally agree! They have backgrounds in linguistics and whatnot. Whooptie do! I pay far more attention to the random, non name educated posters that give me honest opinions on if the names sound good rather than people bashing names because "They aren't real names."

I have a nephew named Micajah (Ma-KAI-jah) (combo of Michael and Elijah) and a niece named Brynnlie. I shudder to think what would happen if I posted those names on there, yet I love them both!

jlbaker08 · January 2015

@ifwisheswerefishes mine is for redemption too! I went in at 36w5d having contractions and they sent me home with a sleeping pill because I wasn't full term. My water broke at 37w2d without contractions and they pumped me full of pitocin, I labored for 19 hours without an epidural and ended up having a c/s anyway. I maintain that if they'd just let me go ahead the first time, I would've made it. She was plenty big enough (7lb10oz 21inches, even though she was almost 3 weeks early). I am determined to do it naturally, without intervention and without an epidural this time.

EmMilAlly · January 2015

We have these neighbors that keep their small dogs outside all day long. I'm talking a dachshund and a miniature poodle. Those dogs are not equipped for extended outdoor exposure! Especially in Chicago! And then since they are just left there, they bark ALL. DAY. LONG.

--- Eta qbf - this was @SlurpeeLove‌

Oh gosh - are they outside today? As we Chicagoans know it is 0 degrees and snowing today... I would have a hard time not calling animal care and control - that is cruel and dangerous for the little guys : (

valigrl21 · January 2015

My UO - I don't like coffee. Maybe twice a year, I will be really tired or in a strange mood and will drink a small peppermint mocha. But for the most part, I really don't like the taste. Also, I get really intimated going into a starbucks type place because everyone that is there is a coffee expert and I feel so out of place (like I still call it a small, because I can never remember what is a venti or a grande or whatever).

But I LOVE disney! In a few years, MH and I plan to wake the girls up Christmas morning and surprise them with a trip to disney land. I can't wait! We took my oldest on a Disney cruise when she was 18 months and it was so fun to see her get so excited to see her favorite characters.

SlurpeeLove · January 2015

EmMilAlly said:

We have these neighbors that keep their small dogs outside all day long. I'm talking a dachshund and a miniature poodle. Those dogs are not equipped for extended outdoor exposure! Especially in Chicago! And then since they are just left there, they bark ALL. DAY. LONG.

--- Eta qbf - this was @SlurpeeLove‌ Oh gosh - are they outside today? As we Chicagoans know it is 0 degrees and snowing today... I would have a hard time not calling animal care and control - that is cruel and dangerous for the little guys : (

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I'm not home right now, but I'd bargain yes. They've been out the past couple of days. They shiver and everything. It's so sad!

They got out one day because the owner just blindly lets them out into the backyard and didn't check if the gate to the fence was closed. It wasn't. And they ran to the street. They aren't even nice dogs. They were growling at me as I went to tell the owner that they were loose. Even then, the owner was calling them over and they just stared at him. Ridiculous.

intensivepurposes · January 2015

One of my absolute favorite activities is to watch grumpy old folks ordering coffee at Starbucks when the barista is a jerk or an idiot. I WANT A REGULAR COFFEE. WITH SUGAR. REGULAR!! REGULAR COFFEE!!!!

LOLOLOL I love them so much. And it's the best when the barista tries to educate the customer like "Sir, we have four sizes: tall, grande, venti, and trenta. What size?"

Watching the frustration mount on both sides is heaven for me. Like watching John Cleese live, every time.

EmMilAlly · January 2015

SlurpeeLove said:

EmMilAlly said:

We have these neighbors that keep their small dogs outside all day long. I'm talking a dachshund and a miniature poodle. Those dogs are not equipped for extended outdoor exposure! Especially in Chicago! And then since they are just left there, they bark ALL. DAY. LONG.

--- Eta qbf - this was @SlurpeeLove‌

Oh gosh - are they outside today? As we Chicagoans know it is 0 degrees and snowing today... I would have a hard time not calling animal care and control - that is cruel and dangerous for the little guys : (

----------------------QBF------------------------

I'm not home right now, but I'd bargain yes. They've been out the past couple of days. They shiver and everything. It's so sad!

They got out one day because the owner just blindly lets them out into the backyard and didn't check if the gate to the fence was closed. It wasn't. And they ran to the street. They aren't even nice dogs. They were growling at me as I went to tell the owner that they were loose. Even then, the owner was calling them over and they just stared at him. Ridiculous.

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That is so sad. Pet owners like this should be locked out in the sub zero cold for a day and see how they fair.

Brummy14 · January 2015

babycarb said:

ChristyM87 said:

This may not be unpopular, but I think that if I can go through 2 pregnancies and 2 vaginal births (assuming that's what I'll have next), then my husband can get a little snip snip when we're all done. He's acting like this is too much for him to handle. Trust me--I get it. It's a surgery on your man parts, but I mean I think I've "taken one for the team" by this point.

(If I end up with an unexpected c-section, then it's a moot point because I'll just get "fixed" then.)
Does he have any friends who have had a vasectomy? The recovery is supposed to be much better for that than a tubal

No he doesn't. It's just a fear of the unknown I think. He acts like they'll be castrating him with how dramatic he's being.

I hear snips are most scheduled around March Madness timing. Excused time off work to watch basketball tourney all day on the couch? Might change his mind.....

jr0310 · January 2015

SlurpeeLove said:

EmMilAlly said:

We have these neighbors that keep their small dogs outside all day long. I'm talking a dachshund and a miniature poodle. Those dogs are not equipped for extended outdoor exposure! Especially in Chicago! And then since they are just left there, they bark ALL. DAY. LONG.
--- Eta qbf - this was @SlurpeeLove‌ Oh gosh - are they outside today? As we Chicagoans know it is 0 degrees and snowing today... I would have a hard time not calling animal care and control - that is cruel and dangerous for the little guys : (

----------------------QBF------------------------

I'm not home right now, but I'd bargain yes. They've been out the past couple of days. They shiver and everything. It's so sad!

They got out one day because the owner just blindly lets them out into the backyard and didn't check if the gate to the fence was closed. It wasn't. And they ran to the street. They aren't even nice dogs. They were growling at me as I went to tell the owner that they were loose. Even then, the owner was calling them over and they just stared at him. Ridiculous.

If they don't have adequate shelter, food, and water, you can call animal control. I'd venture to say they don't have adequate shelter to keep them warm, and I bet if they do have water, it's frozen.

rachacre · January 2015

sassycassieb said:

thiscoffeechick said:

I judge the shit out of people who go to Starbucks and order cold drinks on ice. It's literally like 3 gulps of liquid in a $7 cup of ice. At least get blended so you can enjoy the entirety of the beverage.

False. Iced coffees are the only point of living in the summer.

Iced coffees are the only point of living. Ever.

SlurpeeLove · January 2015

jr0310 said:

SlurpeeLove said:

EmMilAlly said:

We have these neighbors that keep their small dogs outside all day long. I'm talking a dachshund and a miniature poodle. Those dogs are not equipped for extended outdoor exposure! Especially in Chicago! And then since they are just left there, they bark ALL. DAY. LONG.
--- Eta qbf - this was @SlurpeeLove‌ Oh gosh - are they outside today? As we Chicagoans know it is 0 degrees and snowing today... I would have a hard time not calling animal care and control - that is cruel and dangerous for the little guys : (

----------------------QBF------------------------

I'm not home right now, but I'd bargain yes. They've been out the past couple of days. They shiver and everything. It's so sad!

They got out one day because the owner just blindly lets them out into the backyard and didn't check if the gate to the fence was closed. It wasn't. And they ran to the street. They aren't even nice dogs. They were growling at me as I went to tell the owner that they were loose. Even then, the owner was calling them over and they just stared at him. Ridiculous.

If they don't have adequate shelter, food, and water, you can call animal control. I'd venture to say they don't have adequate shelter to keep them warm, and I bet if they do have water, it's frozen.

Unfortunately, animal control does nothing around here. I called them once because of a cat I saw wandering the street that had a collar. They never returned my call.

petrichor14 · January 2015

sassycassieb said:

I will be pretty disappointed if I have to have a c-section with these babies. And if I do and we have another after these two I will definitely try for a VBAC.

There are a lot of reasons I don't want one, but I understand that a lot of the time they are absolutely medically necessary for multiples. It doesn't make it any less sad for me to not have what I imagined it would be like to give birth. And I get that no matter what the important thing is actually getting the babies out safely, but I'm terrified of surgery and everyone in my family has always had vaginal births, so it's just something I always imagined would be the same for me.

Okay, my UO is along those same lines- but the opposite, I guess. I totally wouldn't mind having a c-section. I wouldn't get one electively or anything, but if there's some reason I end up needing one, I'd actually be relieved in a lot of ways. I know the recovery is supposed to be easier with vaginal, but I'd imagine you're dealing with different stuff . For some reason the idea of recovering from abdominal surgery freaks me out less than recovering from a vaginal birth, and the actual process seems so much more efficient.

Which I realize is irrational. But yeah, I don't know. I'm normally pretty freaked out by surgery of any kind, but somehow not as freaked out as I am about labor. I think it might be a control thing- I don't like feeling out of control, and scheduled c-section seems like it would be calm and orderly and the doctor is totally in control and everything- whereas the regular labor and birth process is chaotic and full of unknowns and you're totally at the mercy of this process and your body.

Danious · January 2015

I live in the land of coffee (Seattle). Coffee shops on every corner. Practically everyone you meet has a preference on what they like and why.

You can totally judge what a person is like by what coffee they order.

BarefootContessa · January 2015

I have a huge fear of having a c section. My fear was so bad we ended up dropping out of our birth class because of it. I couldn't handle it. Yes-- I realize exactly how insane that makes me sound. Anxiety is no joke, yall.

bumpuser8571475 · January 2015

I think both Dunkin and Starbucks Iced Coffee are equally delicious. @-)

When it was freezing last night, I was thinking about all the poor animals that the idiots leave outside. It's so sad..

foreverMorgan · January 2015

Danious said: You can totally judge what a person is like by what coffee they order.

My mom can't go anywhere they serve coffee and not be an idiot. She always has to demand flavored creamer and will not drink coffee without it. Try standing next to her in a Starbucks when she keeps asking for flavored creamer like it's impossible that they could not possibly have it, and then she gets offended when they offer her flavored syrups as a substitute. "What kind of place sells $4 coffee and doesn't have flavored creamer?!" I don't drink coffee out with my mom. #-o

ETA: freaking laptop. Total QBF

sekosmides · January 2015

jr0310 said:

jlbaker08 said:
@jr0310 Nicodemus? WT actual F?

Its literally been suggested to me and every other poster who can't come up with a boys name.

Because no one is going to shorten that to Nick.....

abcdefghijk12345678 · January 2015

I'm not sure if this is an UO: I don't think the baby's father should automatically be the one to decide whether or not to circumcise their son. The mother's opinion on this matter should be just as important as the father's opinion, even though only one of them has a penis.

c-elizabethf · January 2015

sassycassieb said:

intensivepurposes said:

One of my absolute favorite activities is to watch grumpy old folks ordering coffee at Starbucks when the barista is a jerk or an idiot. I WANT A REGULAR COFFEE. WITH SUGAR. REGULAR!! REGULAR COFFEE!!!!
LOLOLOL I love them so much. And it's the best when the barista tries to educate the customer like "Sir, we have four sizes: tall, grande, venti, and trenta. What size?"
Watching the frustration mount on both sides is heaven for me. Like watching John Cleese live, every time.

Old people are awesome.

When my grandmother was alive I always cracked up when we would go to starbucks, I can still hear her smoker type voice "What the hell is a vent trappucino?" Seriously that's what she called it lol, a trappucino. The barista looked like he was trying not to laugh. She always told me they make it to difficult.

ChristyM87 · January 2015

amc2511 said:
I'm not sure if this is an UO: I don't think the baby's father should automatically be the one to decide whether or not to circumcise their son. The mother's opinion on this matter should be just as important as the father's opinion, even though only one of them has a penis.

I agree. I would never make a healthcare care decision, especially a permanent one like that, with only one parent's input. I am glad husband and I are both in agreement on this but we both truly don't know whether to circumcise or not. Maybe it will be a girl

abcdefghijk12345678 · January 2015

ChristyM87 said:

amc2511 said:
I'm not sure if this is an UO: I don't think the baby's father should automatically be the one to decide whether or not to circumcise their son. The mother's opinion on this matter should be just as important as the father's opinion, even though only one of them has a penis.

I agree. I would never make a healthcare care decision, especially a permanent one like that, with only one parent's input. I am glad husband and I are both in agreement on this but we both truly don't know whether to circumcise or not. Maybe it will be a girl

When we've talked about it in the past (way before I got pregnant), DH was of the opinion that he gets to decide this because he has a penis. Let's just say that we have opposite opinions on what we would like to happen with a baby boy's genitalia, so we will be in for some interesting conversations if we find out that this baby is a boy.

petrichor14 · January 2015

ChristyM87 said:

I'm not sure if this is an UO: I don't think the baby's father should automatically be the one to decide whether or not to circumcise their son. The mother's opinion on this matter should be just as important as the father's opinion, even though only one of them has a penis.
I agree. I would never make a healthcare care decision, especially a permanent one like that, with only one parent's input. I am glad husband and I are both in agreement on this but we both truly don't know whether to circumcise or not. Maybe it will be a girl

I actually told DH it's up to him, because I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I just asked that he do some research and understand the pros and cons before deciding, which he's totally down with. If I did have a strong opinion, though, I agree- it shouldn't automatically be his call just because he's the one with the penis.

SlurpeeLove · January 2015

amc2511 said:

I'm not sure if this is an UO: I don't think the baby's father should automatically be the one to decide whether or not to circumcise their son. The mother's opinion on this matter should be just as important as the father's opinion, even though only one of them has a penis.

I think it's definitely something both parents should be involved in, but I would take my husband's advice on this more heavily than my own. What do I know about it? I don't know what I'm doing. LOL

ChristyM87 · January 2015

SlurpeeLove said:

amc2511 said:

I'm not sure if this is an UO: I don't think the baby's father should automatically be the one to decide whether or not to circumcise their son. The mother's opinion on this matter should be just as important as the father's opinion, even though only one of them has a penis.

I think it's definitely something both parents should be involved in, but I would take my husband's advice on this more heavily than my own. What do I know about it? I don't know what I'm doing. LOL

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Whereas I am the one that works in healthcare so normally husband would turn to my opinion on such issues. But the research is conflicted so it doesn't make this an easy decision

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