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Natural/med-free birth roll call? SAIF join in!

Hi folks,

I was debating putting this on the FTM playdate question list, but I decided maybe it makes more sense to start a separate discussion. I'm wondering who here did or is planning on a natural (med free) birth. There's something very odd about using so much science to get knocked up, then opting out of science for the birth of the baby (although we could debate the scientific evidence for the interventions commonly used). I guess it revolves around the whole "trust the body" mentality of natural birth that was discarded for me years ago (my body has not been trustworthy!), but I'd love to bring it back.

I'd love to hear what kind of birth you chose, how you prepared, whether it helped heal from the years of IF, or any other thoughts you have. I know some doctors also say that IVF grads are automatically high risk so would encourage against this, so I'd love to know if people got push back. Any other thoughts?

PS. On my BMB there was some hysteria about how all births are natural, so apologies if anyone is offended by the term. I'm confused by all that.
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Re: Natural/med-free birth roll call? SAIF join in!

  • @hbanana18 - Yes, I definitely agree that the important thing is a healthy baby regardless of how it comes out! Part of the trouble I'm having is that many in the natural birth movement don't feel that you can trust doctors to advise you on what is really needed for you and your baby. To hear them tell it, many doctors are more interested in their own schedules and risks of liability, which is why they're more likely to push for c-sections and other interventions. I hate to think that way, but the c-section rate at the hospital nearest us is almost 40%, which seems CRAZY. I asked one of the OBs in my current team, who delivers at that hospital, about birth plans and she said they discourage them because they set women up for disappointment. When I talked to the doula, she said that was code for "Don't bother making a birth plan because we won't pay any attention to it." I'm not sure who to believe there, but I've got an appointment with a different team next week!
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  • I think they took it off netflix.  Think I just found it on youtube, not sure if whole movie but it looks like it is.  It's definitely a very interesting documentary :)  Let me know what you think! 

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  • pblgepblge member
    edited December 2014
    A similar movie is Pregnant in America, although it's a bit more hostile in its bias.

    (edited bc I want to be careful)
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  • I would love to go med free. However, now with twins, I am keeping my expectations low about how the birth will be.   If I can do a vaginal med free birth for twins, I am all for it and would try it, but I am expecting that not to be the case. 
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  • The Business of Being Born has lots of fallacies and biases. I watched it and found it had interesting points, but when it ventured far enough to directly imply that a mother who chooses pain meds won't love her baby as much as a mother who goes through childbirth without pain meds (using some absurd example of animals rejecting their young), that just pissed me right off.

    I am all for each mother being able to choose what birth works best for her, but I think part of that definitely is using the right terms. The term "natural" isn't a very nice one as it does imply those who have pain meds aren't doing it "naturally" - it can become a gray zone as to what is "natural" when there's interventions such as a c-section or methods used to induce or augment contractions, but a mother who simply uses pain meds is delivering just as "naturally" as one who opts not to use them. And really, I guess it's just as insulting as if someone told me they have a "natural baby" compared to my IUI science experiment offspring. Phrasing is important for that reason - it can imply bias towards other choices.

    That said, I know lots of Moms who have gone med free with minimal or no interventions and really loved their birth experience. I do think for some who I know were also PAIF that it did give them some faith back in their bodies. I also know lots of women who had epidural births and loved it and thought it was a wonderful experience. I guess a lot of it is expectations, too? Women who are dead set on one birth plan might get more upset if things don't go as hoped, but I don't ever see a downside to educating yourself on interventions and procedures ahead of time so you can be a good self advocate. And I have heard wonderful things about using a doula who understands and respects your wishes.

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  • You know what bugs me? That the idea of going med free is so all-or-nothing it seems. If you choose a birthing center near me, you cannot have an epidural and any emergency requires transport via ambulance. If you choose the hospital, you cannot deliver out of bed or labor in a tub. I'm all for minimal interventions and would love to have the birth center experience, but I want the option of an epidural and I like being in a facility with emergency medical care available on site.

    I know a few urban areas have birthing centers attached to hospitals, but around here, it's very "all or nothing", which is disappointing.
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  • hopeby2015hopeby2015 member
    edited December 2014
    Weirdly enough, ever since I got pregnant I've wanted a med free birthing experience, even though like you said @pblge‌, that we used so much science to get pregnant. And yet I never even considered the notion that it could be a way to restore faith in my body - something I will have to think about further ...

    Anyway, with regards to push back from the OB, my OB did ask me to consider a c section a couple weeks ago. I haven't really had a chance to discuss our birthing plan with her yet but plan on doing so at the next appt. I'm going to inform her that I want to either go med free, if I can or have minimal medical intervention - ie: walking epidural, etc. And definitely no episiotomy - that freaks me out too!

    I'm also interested in using the birthing bar, which is awesomely available in all the labor rooms at the hospital! The only thing I won't have is a doula, unfortunately, since the only doula I liked wasn't available.

    Eta: of course, this is all said without any idea what contractions even feel like!

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  • Background - When I was in grad school I became severely ill and the doctors thought I had meningitis.  I was at a teaching hospital and I think about half the residents on staff tried to do my spinal tap.  That was tremendously painful - and ultimately it had to be done with the assistance of radiology.  The doctors messed it up, and a couple days out of the hospital the doctors determined I had a spinal fluid leak, and I had to go back to the ER to get that 'fixed'.  The fix involved an injection by epidural - which was nothing compared to the spinal tap. 

    Sooo...birth of DD.  Having heard and read about labor pains, etc, I knew I was going to get an epidural (not that painful IMO) but certainly planned for vaginal delivery.  I was in labor a total of about 17 hours with two real rounds of active pushing toward the end.  DD was down far enough that the nurse could see her full head of hair.  But she just wouldn't come down any further.  Her heartbeat became erratic on the monitor, and my OB prepped me for c-section.  And good thing - because DD had the cord around her neck. 

    So c-section was certainly not my plan - but I didn't go in with a real birth plan.  I'm a student of science and figured I would have to rely on the doctors' advice as things progressed.  For that reason I planned and did deliver in a hospital.  And I stand by my decision given that ultimately things may not have gone so well if I had to be transferred from a birth center to the hospital with cord around DD's neck in there.

    But I have good friend who is a doula and who swears by the birth centers.  In the end, it's about what you want and what will make you comfortable.
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  • with my DD I didn't have a birth plan besides that I wanted to have the baby pain free and vaginally.I wasn't prepared for the c-section. I was induced and they started me with pitocin at 38 weeks due to GD and she wasn't moving much. I got to 1 CM in 18 hours and her HB kept on going down. The doctors asked me if I am willing to have a C-section that morning or they can let me wait to see how I do. since I was only 1 cm and had a long way to go we decided to get the c-section. I am happy at that time I made the right choice. 

    Now I want to have a vaginal deliver without pain meds. With this being twins my OB likes to do a repeat c-section but she is willing to work with me and we can have the "natural" (in sense I don't want another C-Section) delivery I want. Now, I just hope for Baby A to be head down at the time of delivery. 
  • @hopeby2015‌ what is a walking epidural? I've never heard of that but it sounds like a good option.

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  • pblgepblge member
    edited January 2015
    @turquoisequeen - A walking epidural supposedly leaves you with enough control of your lower half that you can move around, although Ina May calls it the shuffling epidural, suggesting pretty limited mobility. That same link, btw, says that epidurals can indeed slow labor. I've heard that a number of places, but I've never seen the science, and I'm sure that doesn't happen for everyone.

    @fjamil1 - Wow, twins in a VBAC! I hope that works. Sounds like a lot of doctors wouldn't go for that. Good luck!!

    @hoppin747 - Scary story with your daughter. Glad it worked out well. Birth centers scare me too, TBH. So sorry to hear about your terrible experience in grad school!

    @kmc84 - OMG, I can't believe you had to go incognito to avoid your MIL. Crazy!! I've always heard that if you go into labor with the idea of "I'll get an epidural if I need it," it's pretty much a guarantee that you will. What do you think?

    @hopeby2015 - Why did your doctor suggest a c-section? Sorry the doula wasn't available. We had a hard time finding one, too. We got a short list of names, and only one person on the list was even willing to meet. Fortunately, we liked her a lot, which felt very lucky.

    @ducky719 - I think that's a really good mindset to have: "This, too, shall pass," as my yoga teacher used to say when she left us in painful positions for a long time!

    @Lady2010 - I think we're on the same page regarding birth after IVF. Sorry you didn't love the hypnobirthing class. What have you decided regarding fetal monitoring? That's a piece I haven't figured out yet.

    @southernyankeegirl - I totally agree with you about TBoBB. That part--the c-section mothers won't love their children as much--is completely reprehensible. You also make good points about the terms. I don't know that I agree about the analogy of natural conception and natural birth. There's something about choosing a natural birth that is like choosing the more difficult path, I think. There are primitive, women-warrior connotations that aren't present for getting knocked up the old-fashioned way compared to needing help, but nonetheless I hear your point that it implies judgment towards other forms of birth. Again, the most important thing is a healthy baby and a birth that is ... satisfying, whatever that means for the parent(s).

    As for your frustration that it seems to be all or nothing, I agree with that, too. There is a birthing center in town, but we've been on the wrong side of improbable statistics so many times that I'm just not going to risk that. The doula actually suggested a midwife collective that operates out of hospital south of town, which I had been thinking was too far away for us. It's 30 minutes without traffic, which upon further reflection isn't too bad (I had thought it was closer to an hour). I haven't gone yet (first appt with the midwives in a week), but it sounds like it might be the perfect middle ground. I'm not sure what birthing equipment they have, but the doula said they don't make you labor in bed and are very supportive of, ahem, med-free births. However, if something is going wrong, OBs are on call to do whatever is needed.

    This is a really interesting conversation! As it happens, I heard some gossip last night from my friend who is an acupuncturist (one of the Buddhist lesbians, for those on the NYE thread). She said she has a new client who is an L&D nurse at the hospital nearest us (the one we'd go to if we stayed with our current doctor), and has recently moved back to this area from a more progressive town. She is extremely frustrated by her job, because she says that on a given day the C-section rate might be as high as 60%!! She says all the nurses can tell which doctors do them because a patient needs them, and which do them because they have dinner plans or whatever. She also shared that there are more doctors in the latter category than you would think. I know that's (now) third-hand gossip, but it still freaks me out. It's like an insider just confirmed all the worst claims by what could be viewed as the extremists in the birthing movement.
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  • @pblge‌ - I think it's probably worth going to the hospital further away. We made a similar decision - a hospital 50 minutes away that is spa-like with a practice that is more low-intervention, as opposed to the hospital 10 minutes away that is a very cold clinical setting with an episiotomy- and c-section-focused set of doctors.
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  • @Geordie314 - in addition to Husband-Coached Childbirth, I really liked Natural Childbirth the Bradley Way. It gives you some really great exercises to do with your partner. It's basically the Bradley class but in book form. And Ina May's Guide to Childbirth! Cannot recommend enough! The birth stories in there are so empowering, no matter how you plan on birthing. 
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  • @turquoisequeen‌ - @pblge‌ answered it best but I didn't know about that little factoid - that it can slow labor down .. my doula suggested the walking epidural so that I could walk around in order to aid with the labor. The one thing I definitely plan on doing is warm/hot showers! I've only heard good things about that being a great pain management tool.

    @pblge‌ - the way my doc phrased it was - u went so far and did alot to get pregnant that a c section would be safest for the baby and there would be less complications, whereas a vaginal delivery is safest for the mother .. i like my OB but when she suggested that, the first thing I thought was a c section is also easiest for you. At my next appointment, I told her I don't want to elective have a c section .. if it's medically necessary then that's fine but I'd like to try vaginally first and she was supportive of that. I gotta see if she'll also be supportive of the rest of my birth plan ..

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  • @pblge‌ - the way my doc phrased it was - u went so far and did alot to get pregnant that a c section would be safest for the baby and there would be less complications, whereas a vaginal delivery is safest for the mother .. i like my OB but when she suggested that, the first thing I thought was a c section is also easiest for you. At my next appointment, I told her I don't want to elective have a c section .. if it's medically necessary then that's fine but I'd like to try vaginally first and she was supportive of that. I gotta see if she'll also be supportive of the rest of my birth plan ..
    Wow. I'm not even sure what to say about that!
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  • Btw, there's a great thread on the "Natural Birth" forum here about having a med-free birth with no formal classes. Some of the posters here might be interested. :)
    https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12510955/un-studied-natural-birth
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  • I've been following this thread closely but have yet to comment. I'm amazed at all of the information here. I'm going into it as I know what I "want" to happen, but I want to be flexible enough in my mind to realize that it may not happen like that.

    I'm okay with the idea of an epidural - but I want to put it off as long as possible. But I don't want to rely on getting one because it may not work or they may say it's not possible, so I'm going to look into some of the things you guys have suggested for a med-free birth to prepare for that too.

    I'm amazed at the rate of c-sections! I guess I have a lot of questions to ask at my next appointment!


    I wouldn't worry too much about the rate of C-sections. A good percentage of those are repeat cesareans, some are breach or transverse babies that you know ahead of time and are scheduled C-section, and others are emergent situations that pop up that you can't prepare for anyway.

    The way my doctor phrased it is that they may have a 32% rate for deliveries that are C-sections, but by the time a patient walks into the hospital in active labor, your chances of having a C-section are actually less than half of that if your baby is head down. Inductions do have a slightly higher rate of C-sections, which is why I will gladly wait for labor to start on its own.
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  • From what I've seen on different hospital stats, the c section rate actually does not include planned c sections or other high risk situations. It is the percentage that are planned for a vaginal delivery and end up with a c section instead. That is why the high number is so shocking to me.

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  • From what I've seen on different hospital stats, the c section rate actually does not include planned c sections or other high risk situations. It is the percentage that are planned for a vaginal delivery and end up with a c section instead. That is why the high number is so shocking to me.
    Oh, that's not the case with my hospital and doctors.  I guess that's an important distinction to make when analyzing how c-section happy a hospital or doctor may be!
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    Unexplained Infertility
    BFP on May 5th after Follistim & IUI #3
    Ryan Henry - born 1/10/15, 7 lb 5 oz, 20 1/4 inches

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  • From what I've seen on different hospital stats, the c section rate actually does not include planned c sections or other high risk situations. It is the percentage that are planned for a vaginal delivery and end up with a c section instead. That is why the high number is so shocking to me.
    Oh, that's not the case with my hospital and doctors.  I guess that's an important distinction to make when analyzing how c-section happy a hospital or doctor may be!
    It seems that everything I've looked at has it reported differently. When Consumer Reports assessed hospitals they looked at "low-risk delivery" Cesarean rates (article only available to subscribers, or I'd post it). So a hospital with a good rating on this factor might have an 8% C-section rate, but a bad rating might be a 32% rating. That seems a very useful way to present the information.
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  • This is from a pamphlet from the hospital we used/will use. I thought some might be interested in seeing how they break down their stats.

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    TTC# 1 since 5/10
    Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
    DX: Unexplained IF
    Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
    IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
    IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
    IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13

    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
    TTC #2
    IVF #4 May/June 2014 ER 6/4 18R 8M 8F ET 6/9 1 blast, 2 frosties
    Beta 6/18 BFFN

    FET of 2 blasts 7/24...BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w3d on 3/17/15

    TTC#3
    IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
    IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
    IVF #7 August 2019-....?
  • pblge said:

    @kmc84 - OMG, I can't believe you had to go incognito to avoid your MIL. Crazy!! I've always heard that if you go into labor with the idea of "I'll get an epidural if I need it," it's pretty much a guarantee that you will. What do you think?

    Sorry I missed this for so long!

    Yeah, my IL's can be a little intense. I had witnessed them in action when my SILs were in labor and I was having none of it!

    I'm not sure....most of the ladies I know have gone in knowing they want epidurals and get them ASAP. Two of my SILs labored without meds and wound up with emergency sections (not suggesting a correlation!) and another girl I know wanted an epi but couldn't get one for a variety of reasons.

    I think (aside from pain) the biggest factor for me getting my epi was that I was exhausted. My water broke around 9am and labor kicked in around 1pm. I had only slept about 3 hours that night because my heartburn was so vicious. Had I gotten a full night of beauty sleep the night before, I do think I would have lasted longer. I found it very interesting that I dilated so fast after the epi and a nap. The l&d nurses all assured me that baby number 2 would come much faster and easier. Fingers crossed!
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    TTC# 1 since 5/10
    Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
    DX: Unexplained IF
    Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
    IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
    IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
    IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13

    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
    TTC #2
    IVF #4 May/June 2014 ER 6/4 18R 8M 8F ET 6/9 1 blast, 2 frosties
    Beta 6/18 BFFN

    FET of 2 blasts 7/24...BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w3d on 3/17/15

    TTC#3
    IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
    IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
    IVF #7 August 2019-....?
  • @pblge‌ yes that consumer reports report is the one I've been looking at. If anyone wants me to look up the c section rates for their hospital I can, just let me know.

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    IVF Sept 2014: 12R 10M 8F, 5 day eSET 9/15, 4 frosties
    Beta #1 353, Beta #2 651, EDD June 3

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  • @CandaceC1020 - I've been meaning to come back to this this post after it became clear that this was your only birth story post. Congratulations!!! I'm sorry your labor was so difficult, but it sounds like it had an extremely happy ending. Thanks for sharing your story and the importance of flexibility!!
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  • I gave birth to my son in s birth center inside of a hospital with a level 3 nicu, so it was the best of both worlds. I did end up successfully going med free. My ob was not really an advocate of the birthing center environment, and he did not allow me to give birth in the tub. At my pp check up though, he actually complimented me on how I handled myself during labor and seemed a lot more open to the whole idea of the birth center.

    I plan to use to same birth center for this baby. I don't consider myself high risk ( and have not been told that by a Dr) even though we did ivf. I had an uncomplicated delivery with DS, so why wouldn't I be able to do the same again. I have considered switching to a Dr who is more on board with water births/ med free deliveries but have not decided that yet.

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    TTC #1 January 2009
    January 2010 SA results: Count 16 million, Motility 40%, Morphology 2%
    January 2010- Surprise BFP! DS born 10/1/2010 :)
    January 2013 TTC #2
    September 2013 Repeat SA: Count= 1.7 million, Motility= 24%, Morphology= 2%
    November 6th 1st Appointment with RE: diagnosed with severe MFI
    Testing to try to determine a cause & possible treatment for MFI
    CD 3 blood work for me. RE does not want to repeat my HSG/lap at this point,
    but may want to before moving forward with any fertility treatments.
    After seeing the uro, DH is currently taking lots of supplements and clomid to try to boost his count. We will have a repeat SA in February to see if it works.
    Follow up SA numbers are: Count= 4 million, Motility= 40%, Morphology= 1%
    Uro wants us to have another follow up SA 5/9 to see if we see further improvement than we are back to the RE to make a game plan.

    SA 5/9/2014 Count: 12 Million, Motility: 60%, and Morphology 2%. We will be doing iui #1 in late June

    IUI #1 6/28 clomid + ovidrel, post wash count 3 million total sperm= BFN

    IUI # 2 7/21 clomid+ ovidrel. post wash count 900,000 total sperm= BFN

    IVF planned for early November- cancelled due to cyst

    December IVF #1- 22 eggs, 20 mature,16 fertilized

    12/9 Transferred 1 4AA Blast, 6 frosties


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