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IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims.
IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN.
IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!

Hats off to Dr. Fancypants!! ET of one 5AB blast. BFN.
13 10 CCS'ed snowflakes!
FET #1 PUPO as of 7/29 Betas: 8/7@24, 8/9@97, 8/11@334 (etc.) Two sacs on 8/15, one seen on 8/18 after a bleed. U/s 8/25 (6+3) "perfect": 5.9 mm + HB@120bpm! U/s 9/4 (7+6): 15.9 mm + HB@172 bpm! Please, PLEASE stick this time!!!!
Re: Natural/med-free birth roll call? SAIF join in!
***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
Me: 30, DH: 32
My hx: uterus/hormones normal Dx: low AMH 0.5 = poor ovarian reserve
hubby hx: low sperm count, poor motility, started on clomid, retest in May showed no improvement, will be on clomid another 3 months, another retest scheduled for August
Started IVF #1: ~BFP Mentioned~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvljyvU_ZGE
Me: 30, DH: 32
My hx: uterus/hormones normal Dx: low AMH 0.5 = poor ovarian reserve
hubby hx: low sperm count, poor motility, started on clomid, retest in May showed no improvement, will be on clomid another 3 months, another retest scheduled for August
Started IVF #1: ~BFP Mentioned~
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***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
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It's interesting - my desire to try to be natural stems from the fact that we did go through IVF. We had to go through so much to get pregnant - something that should be 'natural' and since we don't know if we will ever be pregnant again, I figure might as well at least try.
To that end to prepare, we took some Hypnobirthing classes. DH and I don't fully buy into the philosophy - especially the part of no fetal monitoring, etc (and as stated we aren't opposed to Epi or meds / interventions if needed). The instructor was certainly a little crazy but we do feel we learned some good techniques for managing the pain and trying to focus on other things and relax. As well as positions, etc. It was more about learning the tools for us.
Please note - I am not saying there is anything wrong w Hypnobirthing and philosophy...it just isn't for me and DH.
Dx: Unexplained Infertility, probable endometriosis
Feb-April 2013: Femara + TI: BFN
May - September 2013: Follistim + Ovidrel + IUI#1-4 = BFN
IVF # 1 November 2013: transferred 1 perfect blast = BFN
IVF # 2 April 2014: Endo scrape, transferred 2 blasts = BFP!! (first ever!), CP
FET #1 June 2014: transferred 2 blasts = BFFN
New Dx: Repeat Implantation Failure
IVF # 3 November 2014 = BFP!! Beta #1 9dp5t 272 Beta # 2 11dp5dt 626
It's Twins!
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I am all for each mother being able to choose what birth works best for her, but I think part of that definitely is using the right terms. The term "natural" isn't a very nice one as it does imply those who have pain meds aren't doing it "naturally" - it can become a gray zone as to what is "natural" when there's interventions such as a c-section or methods used to induce or augment contractions, but a mother who simply uses pain meds is delivering just as "naturally" as one who opts not to use them. And really, I guess it's just as insulting as if someone told me they have a "natural baby" compared to my IUI science experiment offspring. Phrasing is important for that reason - it can imply bias towards other choices.
That said, I know lots of Moms who have gone med free with minimal or no interventions and really loved their birth experience. I do think for some who I know were also PAIF that it did give them some faith back in their bodies. I also know lots of women who had epidural births and loved it and thought it was a wonderful experience. I guess a lot of it is expectations, too? Women who are dead set on one birth plan might get more upset if things don't go as hoped, but I don't ever see a downside to educating yourself on interventions and procedures ahead of time so you can be a good self advocate. And I have heard wonderful things about using a doula who understands and respects your wishes.
Off birth control March 2012 - Actively trying Sept 2012-April 2014
BFP on May 5th after Follistim & IUI #3
I know a few urban areas have birthing centers attached to hospitals, but around here, it's very "all or nothing", which is disappointing.
Off birth control March 2012 - Actively trying Sept 2012-April 2014
BFP on May 5th after Follistim & IUI #3
Anyway, with regards to push back from the OB, my OB did ask me to consider a c section a couple weeks ago. I haven't really had a chance to discuss our birthing plan with her yet but plan on doing so at the next appt. I'm going to inform her that I want to either go med free, if I can or have minimal medical intervention - ie: walking epidural, etc. And definitely no episiotomy - that freaks me out too!
I'm also interested in using the birthing bar, which is awesomely available in all the labor rooms at the hospital! The only thing I won't have is a doula, unfortunately, since the only doula I liked wasn't available.
Eta: of course, this is all said without any idea what contractions even feel like!
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Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
DX: Unexplained IF
Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13
TTC#3
IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
IVF #7 August 2019-....?
Sooo...birth of DD. Having heard and read about labor pains, etc, I knew I was going to get an epidural (not that painful IMO) but certainly planned for vaginal delivery. I was in labor a total of about 17 hours with two real rounds of active pushing toward the end. DD was down far enough that the nurse could see her full head of hair. But she just wouldn't come down any further. Her heartbeat became erratic on the monitor, and my OB prepped me for c-section. And good thing - because DD had the cord around her neck.
So c-section was certainly not my plan - but I didn't go in with a real birth plan. I'm a student of science and figured I would have to rely on the doctors' advice as things progressed. For that reason I planned and did deliver in a hospital. And I stand by my decision given that ultimately things may not have gone so well if I had to be transferred from a birth center to the hospital with cord around DD's neck in there.
But I have good friend who is a doula and who swears by the birth centers. In the end, it's about what you want and what will make you comfortable.
PCOS and MF
Two failed rounds IUI in 2010
IVF #1 in 2011 - BFP 8/5/11 - Our IVF miracle was born 4/8/12
FET 9/23/13; BFP -Twins-10/3/13; EDD 6/10/14; MC 11/1/13; D&C 11/4/13
FET 3/28/14; BFN - 4/7/14
IVF #2 - Transfer 2 embryos 11/14/14; BFP 11/24/14 - Beta 265;
11/26/14 - Beta 612; 11/28/14 - Beta 1263; 12/1/14 - Beta 3571;
12/3/14 - first u/s - two gestational sacs; 12/17/14 - two healthy heartbeats (132 and 134)
Our IVF miracles were born 7/16/15
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@fjamil1 - Wow, twins in a VBAC! I hope that works. Sounds like a lot of doctors wouldn't go for that. Good luck!!
@hoppin747 - Scary story with your daughter. Glad it worked out well. Birth centers scare me too, TBH. So sorry to hear about your terrible experience in grad school!
@kmc84 - OMG, I can't believe you had to go incognito to avoid your MIL. Crazy!! I've always heard that if you go into labor with the idea of "I'll get an epidural if I need it," it's pretty much a guarantee that you will. What do you think?
@hopeby2015 - Why did your doctor suggest a c-section? Sorry the doula wasn't available. We had a hard time finding one, too. We got a short list of names, and only one person on the list was even willing to meet. Fortunately, we liked her a lot, which felt very lucky.
@ducky719 - I think that's a really good mindset to have: "This, too, shall pass," as my yoga teacher used to say when she left us in painful positions for a long time!
@Lady2010 - I think we're on the same page regarding birth after IVF. Sorry you didn't love the hypnobirthing class. What have you decided regarding fetal monitoring? That's a piece I haven't figured out yet.
@southernyankeegirl - I totally agree with you about TBoBB. That part--the c-section mothers won't love their children as much--is completely reprehensible. You also make good points about the terms. I don't know that I agree about the analogy of natural conception and natural birth. There's something about choosing a natural birth that is like choosing the more difficult path, I think. There are primitive, women-warrior connotations that aren't present for getting knocked up the old-fashioned way compared to needing help, but nonetheless I hear your point that it implies judgment towards other forms of birth. Again, the most important thing is a healthy baby and a birth that is ... satisfying, whatever that means for the parent(s).
As for your frustration that it seems to be all or nothing, I agree with that, too. There is a birthing center in town, but we've been on the wrong side of improbable statistics so many times that I'm just not going to risk that. The doula actually suggested a midwife collective that operates out of hospital south of town, which I had been thinking was too far away for us. It's 30 minutes without traffic, which upon further reflection isn't too bad (I had thought it was closer to an hour). I haven't gone yet (first appt with the midwives in a week), but it sounds like it might be the perfect middle ground. I'm not sure what birthing equipment they have, but the doula said they don't make you labor in bed and are very supportive of, ahem, med-free births. However, if something is going wrong, OBs are on call to do whatever is needed.
This is a really interesting conversation! As it happens, I heard some gossip last night from my friend who is an acupuncturist (one of the Buddhist lesbians, for those on the NYE thread). She said she has a new client who is an L&D nurse at the hospital nearest us (the one we'd go to if we stayed with our current doctor), and has recently moved back to this area from a more progressive town. She is extremely frustrated by her job, because she says that on a given day the C-section rate might be as high as 60%!! She says all the nurses can tell which doctors do them because a patient needs them, and which do them because they have dinner plans or whatever. She also shared that there are more doctors in the latter category than you would think. I know that's (now) third-hand gossip, but it still freaks me out. It's like an insider just confirmed all the worst claims by what could be viewed as the extremists in the birthing movement.
***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
Off birth control March 2012 - Actively trying Sept 2012-April 2014
BFP on May 5th after Follistim & IUI #3
Me-36, Unexplained Infertility, DH-35, all clear
Clomid 50mg 12/2011 = BFN
Clomid 100mg 1/2012 = BFN, with Cyst
IVF #1 Lupron/Menopur/Gonal-f/HCG Trigger
ER 4/19/12 = 11 retrieved, 6 fertilized,
ET 4/22/12 = 2 transfered (day 3), remaining 3 weren't good enough to freeze
Beta 5/3 = BFP, 87 Beta #2 5/7 560.9 Beta #3 5/9 1376.5 First u/s One Baby, 125bpm!
Second u/s, 176bmp! Kicked over to the OB by the RE at 8w. Team Green!!
@pblge - the way my doc phrased it was - u went so far and did alot to get pregnant that a c section would be safest for the baby and there would be less complications, whereas a vaginal delivery is safest for the mother .. i like my OB but when she suggested that, the first thing I thought was a c section is also easiest for you. At my next appointment, I told her I don't want to elective have a c section .. if it's medically necessary then that's fine but I'd like to try vaginally first and she was supportive of that. I gotta see if she'll also be supportive of the rest of my birth plan ..
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***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
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***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
I wouldn't worry too much about the rate of C-sections. A good percentage of those are repeat cesareans, some are breach or transverse babies that you know ahead of time and are scheduled C-section, and others are emergent situations that pop up that you can't prepare for anyway.
The way my doctor phrased it is that they may have a 32% rate for deliveries that are C-sections, but by the time a patient walks into the hospital in active labor, your chances of having a C-section are actually less than half of that if your baby is head down. Inductions do have a slightly higher rate of C-sections, which is why I will gladly wait for labor to start on its own.
Off birth control March 2012 - Actively trying Sept 2012-April 2014
BFP on May 5th after Follistim & IUI #3
For both babies, I labored at home, in bed, overnight then went to the hospital in the morning. My first was born 3 hours later, my 2nd just one hour later.
I was so much more comfortable laboring at home. We were 20 minutes from the hospital so I wasn't too worried. I did end up getting an IV of sugar water with mh first because I was actively pushing for 2 hours. They finally realized LO was on her side and stuck. Instead of pushing for a c/s, they had me lie on my side and push, which did the trick.
If you want to do it, trust me, you can do it!
IUI#2 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 5-9) = BFN
IUI#3 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP!
beta #1 11/23 = 270, P4 = 75
beta #2 11/28 = 2055
Our daughter E was born 7/29/2012!
Surprise, our 2nd daughter P was born 5/22/14!
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Off birth control March 2012 - Actively trying Sept 2012-April 2014
BFP on May 5th after Follistim & IUI #3
***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
DX: Unexplained IF
Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13
TTC#3
IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
IVF #7 August 2019-....?
Yeah, my IL's can be a little intense. I had witnessed them in action when my SILs were in labor and I was having none of it!
I'm not sure....most of the ladies I know have gone in knowing they want epidurals and get them ASAP. Two of my SILs labored without meds and wound up with emergency sections (not suggesting a correlation!) and another girl I know wanted an epi but couldn't get one for a variety of reasons.
I think (aside from pain) the biggest factor for me getting my epi was that I was exhausted. My water broke around 9am and labor kicked in around 1pm. I had only slept about 3 hours that night because my heartburn was so vicious. Had I gotten a full night of beauty sleep the night before, I do think I would have lasted longer. I found it very interesting that I dilated so fast after the epi and a nap. The l&d nurses all assured me that baby number 2 would come much faster and easier. Fingers crossed!
Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
DX: Unexplained IF
Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13
TTC#3
IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
IVF #7 August 2019-....?
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RE appointment & testing December 2013 - February 2014= Unexplained IF, possible endometriosis
IUI#1- March 22 (100mg clomid, 75 mg of Bravelle, Ovidrel trigger) = BFP!!!
***Losses mentioned.*** TTC #1 since May 2012. Me: 37, OH: 41. Ectopic August 2012 => tubal damage. :'( Stage 1 endo removed June 2013. IVF #1 Oct/Nov 2013: Long Lupron with Gonal-F. 7R, 7M, 7F. 2 txfer@3d. Nothing frozen. => M/C @ 8 wks. :'( Selected RPL panel all normal. Very hyper and brittle response to stims. IVF #2 (antagonist protocol) Feb 2014 => Converted to IUI (Perfect conditions). BFN. IVF #2.1 w/ new RE June 2014: Antagonist protocol. 33R, 31M, 30F, 19 blasts to test!!! I made it through without crashing!!
I gave birth to my son in s birth center inside of a hospital with a level 3 nicu, so it was the best of both worlds. I did end up successfully going med free. My ob was not really an advocate of the birthing center environment, and he did not allow me to give birth in the tub. At my pp check up though, he actually complimented me on how I handled myself during labor and seemed a lot more open to the whole idea of the birth center.
I plan to use to same birth center for this baby. I don't consider myself high risk ( and have not been told that by a Dr) even though we did ivf. I had an uncomplicated delivery with DS, so why wouldn't I be able to do the same again. I have considered switching to a Dr who is more on board with water births/ med free deliveries but have not decided that yet.
TTC #1 January 2009
January 2010 SA results: Count 16 million, Motility 40%, Morphology 2%
January 2010- Surprise BFP! DS born 10/1/2010
January 2013 TTC #2
September 2013 Repeat SA: Count= 1.7 million, Motility= 24%, Morphology= 2%
November 6th 1st Appointment with RE: diagnosed with severe MFI
Testing to try to determine a cause & possible treatment for MFI
CD 3 blood work for me. RE does not want to repeat my HSG/lap at this point,
but may want to before moving forward with any fertility treatments.
After seeing the uro, DH is currently taking lots of supplements and clomid to try to boost his count. We will have a repeat SA in February to see if it works.
Follow up SA numbers are: Count= 4 million, Motility= 40%, Morphology= 1%
Uro wants us to have another follow up SA 5/9 to see if we see further improvement than we are back to the RE to make a game plan.
SA 5/9/2014 Count: 12 Million, Motility: 60%, and Morphology 2%. We will be doing iui #1 in late June
IUI #1 6/28 clomid + ovidrel, post wash count 3 million total sperm= BFN
IUI # 2 7/21 clomid+ ovidrel. post wash count 900,000 total sperm= BFN
IVF planned for early November- cancelled due to cyst
December IVF #1- 22 eggs, 20 mature,16 fertilized
12/9 Transferred 1 4AA Blast, 6 frosties
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Sadly, there are docs that proceed to c/s with a very low threshold and some that do it out of convenience. The high section rate in the U.S. has been driven (in large part) by lawsuits and threats of law suits, but I really won't go there or this post might go on forever. I think having these conversations early with your doc can help patients pick the right provider so that if they end up with a c/s, at least they can feel comfortable that it was indicated.
The best analogy I have heard about birth plans is that having one is a lot like trying to plan the weather in Vegas for next year's wedding anniversary...can't be done! Out of your hands...I think the best way to look at it is that you can plan for your birth, but you can't plan how your birth will go. It's unpredictable. I think coming in with a very detailed or specific birth plan definitely sets patients up for disappointment, because nobody knows how baby will tolerate labor or how mom will tolerate labor. I think the best birth plan is to have a happy, safe and healthy delivery.
Sorry for the rambling....
3 Clomid IUIs -- BFNs
IVF #1 never made it to transfer
On "egg health" cocktail DHEA/CoQ10/FRC/Pregnitude/Melatonin
Starting IVF #2 for Feb 2013
Follistim/Menopur/Ganirelix
Cancelled mid-cycle due to high P4 levels early on.
OCPs again for IVF 2.5 mid-March. IVF 2.5 transferred two "gorgeous" 5-day blasts and BFFN. Even REI is baffled
On indefinite hold until a huge stroke of serendipity led me to IVF 3 May 2014
Testing found positive cardiolipins/APS, now on lovenox and intralipid infusions
Transfer of 2 5-day blasts and (FINALLY) BFFP!! 1st ultrasound shows two sacs and two HB, but one is sluggish, almost expecting vanishing twin Subsequent ultrasound confirmed vanishing twin, but my other Little critter looks fantastic!
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