BabyWise

alyse0305 · December 2014

Is any one else reading and going to try to implement the feeding and sleep philosophies of the book baby wise? If so would love to start a little group!!

alyse0305 · December 2014

Yeah I think that prior to 6-9 weeks the clock method works inter mixed with the idea of making sure baby gets full meal before dozing off. I think the sleep cycle is more to start training around that mark- not initially when home. I have two gf's who have utilized the methodologies and both of their children were sleeping through the night at 8-10 weeks. This isn't to say it wasn't hell for them to get there, but I'm excited to try it! Anything you have taken away that you like @krendel1990‌ ?

chickyclg · December 2014

I was told to read the book to help with sleep training, but to disregard anything about food training.

alyse0305 · December 2014

@chickyclg‌ if I'm understanding correctly this far the two go hand in hand, but I have heard that deviating from the food training early on and working it your own way with hungry signs based on baby is better

chickyclg · December 2014

alyse0305 said:

@chickyclg‌ if I'm understanding correctly this far the two go hand in hand, but I have heard that deviating from the food training early on and working it your own way with hungry signs based on baby is better

@alyse0305 From what I understand the book tells you to feed for X amount of time and if the baby doesn't finish and is hungry they need to learn to eat faster or wait until the next feeding. DHs cousin used the book and she loved how it helped her sleep train, but her pediatrician told her to not use the food training. My best advice is to talk to your pediatrician and see what they think about food training and let them know that you plan to use baby wise as a food/sleep manual.

maltwin1 · December 2014

I read Baby wise with DS but it was too rigid for me. I much preferred the Baby Whisperer books where she takes the different personality of each baby as an individual into account while you are trying to establish a routine.

Angeldcf · December 2014

Hell freaking no. Google "babywise + failure to thrive"

They claim to make corrections to later editions after the PR hell it went through. ESPECIALLY in the first few months, please feed your child on demand, respond to his/her cries promptly (not possible to spoil them) and allow them to be old enough to self soothe.

Beth.1212 · December 2014

Angeldcf said:

Hell freaking no. Google "babywise + failure to thrive"
They claim to make corrections to later editions after the PR hell it went through. ESPECIALLY in the first few months, please feed your child on demand, respond to his/her cries promptly (not possible to spoil them) and allow them to be old enough to self soothe.

I have been told (by medical professionals) that it is downright unhealthy and dangerous to follow the advice of this book. Please don't!

If you're looking for some guidance, personally I'm another fan of the "Baby Whisperer" books.

mahalo3 · December 2014

I have friends who swear by this book for sleep training. I am reading it, but am not very far into it. I am sure I'll have my own opinion when I get done.

mamabisme · December 2014

My opinion, baby/parenting books are all a crock. You'll find what works for you when baby gets here.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing research now but I would take anything you read/hear worth a grain of salt until you actually meet your little one and see what unique strengths/weaknesses they bring to the table.

Despite parenting the same way, I have been given 2 very different babies and the things that have proven difficult with one have never been an issue with the other (and vise versa).

Again, if it helps you to feel prepared please go ahead and read all the things but also be prepared to throw all of it out the window when you bring LO home and realize that it's totally irrelevant/impractical for your family. Or, it could be totally spot on for you. Only time will tell.

DBride2006 · December 2014

I know someone who swears by it, but her babies were bottle fed. We set out to try it and I quickly realized it wasn't a fit for us. I found the "pattern" helpful, but was not able to keep to the rigid schedule.

chicagojackie · December 2014

There is no one book with the right advice. What works for your baby today may not work five minutes from now, an hour from now, a week from now. Save your money.

If you're worried about your baby's sleep, ins and outs, eating, behaviors, milestones, etc there is a person you should ask. Your pediatrician!

See if they recommend any books or think the techniques are safe.

Angeldcf · December 2014

Agree w/pp that there's no right parenting book for every child, but Babywise has been linked with FTT and some of the advice is quite dangerous. Yes, I read it. I then researched the authors' credentials and listened to my pedi. Some of my friends followed it precisely and bragged their kiddo STTN at 6wks old. Same kiddo was on the lower end of growth charts, lots of sickness & months later stopped STTN and would be very anxious-avoidant if parents left the room.

We roughly did the EASY approach: Eat, Awake, Sleep, You time. This was AFTER baby was a few months old and starting to learn how to self-soothe. You time = pass out from zombie exhaustion or laundry/dishes. Cluster feeding/teething threw all this out the window, so it truly was a rough outline to the day.

twinklymama · December 2014

Eh, once you figure out what works for you and (each) child, they change course on you.

Just get to know your child and you will figure out what works for you both. Then prepare to be flexible.

srcr2011 · December 2014

Maybe I live under a rock, but I've never heard if it. Babies don't come with manuals, they aren't robots. They are little people each with different needs. It's possible to raise a happy, healthy child without a book. I will admit, some offer great advice and education on babies, but some are just stupid. Besides, once baby is here, you will get a lot of suggestions and input from friends, family, and strangers. PP already said it, but I'll say it again, ultimately, you will figure out what works for and your baby. A book will not know you baby like you will.

alyse0305 · December 2014

Okay, obviously every child is different and if you haven't read the book I'm not sure how you can give proper, beneficial, input! The book touches on temperments and other variables that play into the successfulness. Clearly I'm not going to let my child go without or be negatively effected and I think women who have allowed that to happen historically did not properly understand what the books fundamental premise is or they were just idiots in general. How you can not realize your child is malnourished and should be cared for better is an entirely different issue. Humans are inherently different all around and clearly no one thing is going to be universally true, but a good foundation for a schedule/plan never hurt anyone!

chicagojackie · December 2014

alyse0305 said:
Okay, obviously every child is different and if you haven't read the book I'm not sure how you can give proper, beneficial, input! The book touches on temperments and other variables that play into the successfulness. Clearly I'm not going to let my child go without or be negatively effected and I think women who have allowed that to happen historically did not properly understand what the books fundamental premise is or they were just idiots in general. How you can not realize your child is malnourished and should be cared for better is an entirely different issue. Humans are inherently different all around and clearly no one thing is going to be universally true, but a good foundation for a schedule/plan never hurt anyone!

Oh, wow. Qfp.

Any mom who has followed bad advice and couldn't diagnose failure to thrive on her own is an IDIOT according to this "expert mom" as above.

If you guys haven't read this particular sleep/food training book don't even think of commenting on this thread, even you experienced moms! This is a book club where the OP gets to be told this book she loves is reasonable and fantastic and magical! Quit using logic, research and professional experience.

OP you don't get to act like a bitch because you don't agree. Sorry!

Maple403 · December 2014

I heard that "how to train up a child" is a good parenting book too!

That there was sarcasm.

I have my Mayo Clinic "baby's 1st year" and that book, along with my pediatrician and Dr mom will be enough for me.

SaraL1175 · December 2014

The American Academy of Pediatrics put out a statement Against babywise many years ago due to the FTT issue. Not a safe approach IMHO.

alyse0305 · December 2014

I didn't say not to offer parenting advice, so maybe you should be the one to check your attitude, I'm simply saying to not comment about a book you haven't read and wouldn't know anything about- an educated person would understand that!! If you can't understand that then idk what to tell you!!! And if your child is failing to thrive and its severe enough that it's an issue and you can't realize that, then yes.. You're an idiot and shouldn't reproduce. Thanks for your input though! Was really helpful in understanding the fundamentals of the book and how to ensure my child is cared for! You're the best respondent ever! Keep responding with your infinite knowledge of shit that doesn't matter! Yay!!!! @chicagojackie‌

alyse0305 · December 2014

Also, if I thought I was an expert mom I wouldn't be posting in this manner, I would write a blog to share and not elicit feedback. Smh.

jennjilljo · December 2014

ChickenOnSunday said:

alyse0305 said:

I didn't say not to offer parenting advice, so maybe you should be the one to check your attitude, I'm simply saying to not comment about a book you haven't read and wouldn't know anything about- an educated person would understand that!! If you can't understand that then idk what to tell you!!! And if your child is failing to thrive and its severe enough that it's an issue and you can't realize that, then yes.. You're an idiot and shouldn't reproduce. Thanks for your input though! Was really helpful in understanding the fundamentals of the book and how to ensure my child is cared for! You're the best respondent ever! Keep responding with your infinite knowledge of shit that doesn't matter! Yay!!!! @chicagojackie‌

Well dang. Who allowed me to get pregnant with a second kid?!?!?! Thanks OP.

Thank you! I was just coming to bring up the fact that parents are not doctors and ate not always able to recognize signs and symptoms in their children. Not to mention the fact that parents often don't look for or even want to see the possible issues with their child. It's incredibly detrimental to the parent's mental health and future parenting abilities to blame them for not identifying something like this. This is just as bad as saying a mom isn't doing her job because she didn't recognize an ear infection or a speech delay. If you aren't trained for it then you can't identify or diagnose it.

erobbins09 · December 2014

Yikes. I don't have to do meth to know it's bad for me just like I don't have to read a book that has been singled out by well informed and educated people who I trust within my own circle as being a bad choice as a parenting guide. There are almost an infinite number of places to go for child rearing information and you can't read it all so why waste your time with something you know isn't a good fit for you? Even if I didn't know anything about it I could have learned from this thread (thanks to negative opinions) that I completely disagree with it if it indeed promotes a rigorous timed feeding schedule rather than to recognize and respond to my child's needs the way mothers have done since the beginning of time (and that I and my doctor agree with).

Look, it would be a severe disservice on the part of people with negative views of the book to not* share the information they have. You brought up a topic, and many disagree. Welcome to the internet.

Edit: silly football watching affected my intended meaning.

alyse0305 · December 2014

Firstly, not sure how I had misspellings or bad grammar, but okay! Secondly, I did start to read baby 411 as well bc someone along the line gave beneficial feedback that was productive and not convoluted with random opinions that were not easing the progression of the conversation. I would think as a physician you would have better feedback for a parent about a potential ideology on feeding and sleep habits. No one said this book was factual!! This thread has gone so far off topic there is no way anyone's going to get from it what was intended- thanks guys! Glad we are all productive members in the dialogue of what's best for our children. I'm enjoying baby 411 as well now- thank you to whomever it was prior who recommended this! It's definitely an easier read and gives practical, usable knowledge about all things baby. (Hope someone doesn't damn me or criticize me for being positive about that book as well!!) Also, DH's parents are both physicians as well... Many different areas of education in the medical profession ladies! Xo

chickyclg · December 2014

alyse0305 said:
Firstly, not sure how I had misspellings or bad grammar, but okay! Secondly, I did start to read baby 411 as well bc someone along the line gave beneficial feedback that was productive and not convoluted with random opinions that were not easing the progression of the conversation. I would think as a physician you would have better feedback for a parent about a potential ideology on feeding and sleep habits. No one said this book was factual!! This thread has gone so far off topic there is no way anyone's going to get from it what was intended- thanks guys! Glad we are all productive members in the dialogue of what's best for our children. I'm enjoying baby 411 as well now- thank you to whomever it was prior who recommended this! It's definitely an easier read and gives practical, usable knowledge about all things baby. (Hope someone doesn't damn me or criticize me for being positive about that book as well!!) Also, DH's parents are both physicians as well... Many different areas of education in the medical profession ladies! Xo

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chicagojackie · December 2014

You just can't reason with some people. The pizza roll queen no exception.

And even though I have several friends on the Bump that know I play a doc on TV...I was just posting as an experienced mom that thinks your attitude sucks and if you want to have friends here you should quit acting like such a bitch. That's all.

chicagojackie · December 2014

dorothygale01 said:

alyse0305 said:
Firstly, not sure how I had misspellings or bad grammar, but okay! Secondly, I did start to read baby 411 as well bc someone along the line gave beneficial feedback that was productive and not convoluted with random opinions that were not easing the progression of the conversation. I would think as a physician you would have better feedback for a parent about a potential ideology on feeding and sleep habits. No one said this book was factual!! This thread has gone so far off topic there is no way anyone's going to get from it what was intended- thanks guys! Glad we are all productive members in the dialogue of what's best for our children. I'm enjoying baby 411 as well now- thank you to whomever it was prior who recommended this! It's definitely an easier read and gives practical, usable knowledge about all things baby. (Hope someone doesn't damn me or criticize me for being positive about that book as well!!) Also, DH's parents are both physicians as well... Many different areas of education in the medical profession ladies! Xo
What fresh hell is this?

I haven't had enough coffee yet.

Ah, fresh fuckery on a Wednesday....oh hell...Tuesday morning. @dorothygale01‌ @krendel1990‌

alyse0305 · December 2014

chicagojackie said:
You just can't reason with some people. The pizza roll queen no exception.

And even though I have several friends on the Bump that know I play a doc on TV...I was just posting as an experienced mom that thinks your attitude sucks and if you want to have friends here you should quit acting like such a bitch. That's all.

It was bagel bites not pizza rolls, but nice try! My attitude sucks!!! I'm was talking of positivity and trying to start a productive thread about how to care for our children effectively. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror babe! The sun is out- go outside and get some vitamin D and cheer the hell up!

chicagojackie · December 2014

Sigh. Now I feel like getting all official on everyone. @dorothygale01 just for you.

Here's the issues with Babywise, for the record:

Lack of expertise and credentials.

The primary authors of the material, Gary and Anne Marie Ezzo, are self-proclaimed experts. Gary Ezzo has no background or expertise in child development, psychology, breastfeeding, or pediatric medicine, and holds neither an associate's nor a bachelor's degree from any college; his master of arts degree in Christian ministry was granted through a program that awarded credit for life experience in lieu of an undergraduate degree. Anne Marie Ezzo worked only briefly as an R.N.. It is unclear what, if anything, Babywise co-author Dr. Robert Bucknam contributed to that book, since the earlier religious versions are essentially the same with additional material and do not have his name on the cover.

Risks for breastfeeding mothers and babies.

Breastfeeding on a parent-determined schedule (including a "flexible routine" as it is called in Babywise) may reduce a mother's milk supply and contradicts the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), which has stated, "The best feeding schedules are the ones babies design themselves. Scheduled feedings designed by parents may put babies at risk for poor weight gain and dehydration."

Poor breastfeeding information.

Although it is presented as authoritative, the breastfeeding information presented in Babywise is inaccurate and substandard (compare with the AAP Breastfeeding recommendations from the 2005 AAP Policy Statement on Breastfeeding and the Use of Human Milk).

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There you go. Maybe take advice about child rearing from MD's, RN's, IBCLC's, Certified Nurse Midwives, Nutritionists, someone with actual knowledge and wanting to use evidence and recommendations.

alyse0305 · December 2014

Can I blame that on pregnancy brain? That reminds me- I need to add both pizza rolls and bagel bites to our grocery list! Also, thanks @chicagojackie‌ for some information that's not only informative, but beneficial!! Can I cyber high five you for that come back and turn around?! It must be the 47 degrees in Chicago this morning that has brightened your spirits!! Also, idk how it's troll Tuesday-I've been contributing to this board since June. Clearly, as you all remember my beloved food comment! Xo xo ladies!!

alyse0305 · December 2014

I never told anyone how to post, but advised what I was trying to accomplish by posting this thread. As you will notice with my other postings I'm usually posting things I think are beneficial to have discussions about.
Yes, I do think I'm funny and often laugh at myself bc I enjoy life!! Sorry you don't share the same feelings about me but you don't know me and therefor I'm not very inclined to care! I am on this board everyday reading and offering when I can or when it's beneficial for the topic, but again thank you for your opinion! Bc it is just that- an opinion. Welcome to post about the book as well!! Anyone reading baby 411 other than @krendel1990‌ and I? This is an entertaining read and definitely more practical as I can see where the disconnect would be with rigid ideas in baby wise- def not for everyone.

chicagojackie · December 2014

@alyse0305, Miss Gale is one of our mods. I respectfully request that you stop pissing in her Cheerios. Also the regulars decide who's a regular. If you have to ask or assert that you're a reg, you're not. On Wednesdays, we wear pink. Mmmmmkay? Don't try so hard.

@chickenonsunday I furiously love tit you like it is my JOB and you almost never love tit me. I'm feeling a little morose about the imbalance in our love titting relationship. I just thought I'd do that Seinfeld-style airing of the grievances for festivus. For the rest of us.

@crazycornball you win TB research award of the day and I LOVE YOU SO HARD for backing up the pizza roll situation. I KNEW that it was pizza rolls.

chicagojackie · December 2014

@Chickenonsunday all I'm saying is that I'm like one of your long standing fans. For so many reasons. But I don't want you to love tit me under duress. Maybe we can turn over a new leaf in 2015. Or a new love tit. I will try to be less know-it-all-y.

alyse0305 · December 2014

I know who Dorothy is even after her name change. Thanks for the update though! Also, if I can't dictate what people post you can't tell me who a regular is!! I'm surprised the mucus plug thread didn't get more feedback!! That one was wayyyy better than this!! Also, some troll is posting about being able to be induced at 32 weeks, don't you guys have another thread to attend to?!

chicagojackie · December 2014

@alyse0305 she's not a troll, she has a real medical indication per her report and is justifiably terrified. It's not like she is like ZOMG I'M SO TIRED OF BEING PREGNANT SOMEONE INDUCE ME PRE-TERM! No one wants to be a pre-term mom. We've had lots of pre-termers and several NICU moms.

Again, quit acting like a bitch.

chicagojackie · December 2014

ChickenOnSunday said:

chicagojackie said:

@Chickenonsunday all I'm saying is that I'm like one of your long standing fans. For so many reasons. But I don't want you to love tit me under duress. Maybe we can turn over a new leaf in 2015. Or a new love tit. I will try to be less know-it-all-y.

If you change than I'm gonna burn this place down.

I'm a proclaimed stingy love titter. I admit it. I do a lot nodding in agreement with some many folks but I guess that doesn't come across unless I click the ol' mouse.

Maybe being more generous with my love tits should be my NY resolution. I'm sure it will be like all my others where it only lasts about a week and I go back to normal.

I would love to see you get all office space up in here. RED STAPLER FTW.

alyse0305 · December 2014

Shouldn't you be taking care of patients?!

alyse0305 · December 2014

Also, stop telling me how to post!! That's hypocritical after telling me I was doing the same!!

alyse0305 · December 2014

ChickenOnSunday said:

alyse0305 said:

I know who Dorothy is even after her name change. Thanks for the update though! Also, if I can't dictate what people post you can't tell me who a regular is!! I'm surprised the mucus plug thread didn't get more feedback!! That one was wayyyy better than this!! Also, some troll is posting about being able to be induced at 32 weeks, don't you guys have another thread to attend to?!

How is that person being a troll when they have medical condition potentially necessitating the need for an induction?

Obviously, gonna let the resident doc handle telling you off about what an idiot you are...

Don't you have some pizza rolls to eat?

I would think you ladies would be nicer and more considerate to someone whose actually contributed to this group for 7 months!! But, I'm the one whose acting like a bitch!!

chicagojackie · December 2014

alyse0305 said:

Shouldn't you be taking care of patients?!

This is the professional equivalent of I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND HUSBAND.

CAN I GET A BINGO ON THIS ONE LADIES? @dorothygale01 what do you think? If I could win just once.

alyse0305 · December 2014

Well, this thread no longer has any value at all for anyone! Thanks for the feedback ladies! Home girl out on this one.

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