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3rd Trimester
epidural or natural ?
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Re: epidural or natural ?
My overall point is still that there's nothing personal about it. It's not an opinion. Or a dig. Or a judgement. It's meant to imply no meds. Nothing else. It's medical terminology used by most doctors and obstetrical organizations. Just because some prefer they use different wording does not mean all of these people are "wrong." It doesn't mean there's anything inferior about birthing with an epi. Or that holding a child after a medicated birth is unnatural. But no one said it did. If someone truly brags about having birth with without meds, don't assume that's the attitude of everyone who did so. I had an one epi. I had one baby without one. Neither was more or less special than the other. I had a preference for the overall experience of not getting one but that being my preference doesn't mean I have any opinion regarding what others choose.
I don't understand insisting that people are implying something they're not. Some of you are so adamant that someone who uses the expression "natural birth" is implying something negative about your medicated birth.
FFS. Has it ever occurred to you that, since the entire medical community uses this terminology, maybe you're in the minority here?? It's not about me versus everyone else. It's about what's generally known and accepted versus a handful of people hell-bent on making a big deal out of nothing. If you want to make it your mission to change the damn definition, start writing organizations like the NIH and let them know the err of their ways. Really, knock yourself out.
Regarding the bolded... Seriously... what the fuck are you talking about? MAJOR stretch. And way to put words in someone's mouth to create controversy. Go ahead and find where in this thread anyone said ANY of those things. Didn't happen... except in your head.
Ya'll are something else.
And "natural birth" used to be the way people politely talked about vaginal birth as opposed to a C-section, as I figured out after numerous conversations with my in-laws, extended family, and the wives of my colleagues.
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It's not "made up" to be sensitive & considerate about word choice. It's a choice I make because large groups of people can be hurt by the words "natural birth". Just because it doesn't offend you or isn't widely understood doesn't mean it isn't offensive. That's what change is about.
I've done both kinds of birth. I say get the baby out & safe is priority. One method is not superior to the other just because it's without meds. The goal is the same.
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So am I.
I was speaking generally. Of course there are exceptions.
You're assuming I don't know what it means and that I need to research it.
No. You've demonstrated that honey. I assumed you knew what it meant actually. And then you refuted that assumption quite nicely. Hence my comment to @bubblesmartin. I guess we'll add reading comprehension to the list of things not your bailiwick.
Cute!
Okay, so not agreeing with what you are saying = not understanding what you're saying. Got it.
Why don't you keep the shovel and beat the horse with it ?
I am also wondering why you are choosing to go to the deuce over this particular issue?
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This is what I don't understand either. I think everyone has at some point used insensitive language without realizing it. I used to say 'natural twins' until I read somewhere that the correct phrase is 'spontaneous twins'. I used to say, "given up for adoption" until someone corrected me and now I say, "placed for adoption'. We aren't perfect, we make mistakes, hurt people without realizing it. I just don't know why, if people are saying 'natural birth' is an insensitive term that she can't just say, "Oh, learn something new every day." and move on. Why keep defending it @drpayne?
The only reason I'm even defending what I said at this point is that it pisses me off when people say stuff like "oh so you're saying that your birth was better than mine? You're saying that my csection was unnatural? You're saying it was unnatural when I held my baby?" THOSE questions are ridiculous because I didn't say that and I don't think that. So I keep trying to say "show me where I said that." No one has because it didn't happen. Yet people are still convinced that people mean something awful when they say "natural birth."
So tell me, if a child is born anyway except in a med-free, vaginal birth what do you call that?
Solve for X please
If
"natural birth" = med free, vaginal birth
Then
"x" = any other experience, to include csection, epidural, etc.
Are you hoping that everyone will forget the way you spoke about anyone who let you know the term was offensive, or that disagreed with you? We're not defensive, or making stuff up to be offended by. You may have started off being ignorant that 'natural birth' is an offensive term, but 5 pages in you're well aware. Good try though
ETA:
"Only recently did some oversensitive person decide to be bothered by it. You're choosing to take offense where none is intended. Get over it." Page 1
"It's not loaded. At all. It's an asinine thing to be offended over.
Just because a few hypersensitive people want to make an issue out of nothing doesn't mean everyone else needs to stop using a word. As a previous poster mentioned, defensive people are usually insecure about some thing. "Page 2
Terms/phrases can be accepted without being accurate.
Is TB like some pinnacle of non-changing truth? I was unaware.
@drpayne : it's wrong because "natural" is assigned to med-free vaginal birth only by a very many people that use it. When used to limit others' experiences it can hurt.
The inference exist even if you don't expressedly say it. That's why it's an inference-- by definition it's not said. It's still there. I am not sure why you actively refuse to acknowledge this.
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It honestly confuses me because it doesn't seem like a hard connection to make. It doesn't make you a bad person or anything. It just communicates that you think that other methods of labor & delivery are "unnatural". You may not mean that or say it, but that's the message that comes across. Therefore, changing your approach could be worth it.
Comparing a cold to delivery is apples to oranges. It's overly simplistic. L&D is an emotional topic & yes-- the phrase used as you describe really does hurt people. Especially those that really really wanted a med-free birth that didn't get one. It can also insult those that didn't get the opportunity to birth their children at all (Adoption). Basically, it hurts & shouldn't that be enough for you?
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Also, it's been explained that often folks that use it don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. It doesn't mean it's ok.
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My panties aren't in a twist. But thanks for worrying about my underthings ;p
Could have fooled me.
Obviously
My best advice is to make your birth plan just that. A plan.
Go in with an open mind and an idea as to how you would prefer your birth to go.
That's exactly what I did and whatever interventions the doctor suggested I agreed to as I figured they probably have more knowledge on giving birth and I also trusted that she had my baby's and my best interest at heart.Good luck with however you choose!