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blairwitch · November 2014

simone711 said:

@sparkymcgeee‌ I hope she feels better soon! @simone711‌ heading anywhere fun? Jadzia was up until 2am. Hoping she stays asleep for a few more hours so I can take a nap.
I will PM you @blairwitch and @ashie624‌

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chiboo9 · November 2014

LadyBlue07 said:

Rmnam1 said:

@ramy3 WTF did I just read?! We have threads like "CPW- oranges" and M15/June13 have that batshit crazy bullshit?!
And June 13 used to think we were crazy. How the mighty have fallen. *sniff*

Is it worth reading the dramz?? Lunch time is coming up and I can either stay here and bump or go wander aimlessly at Barnes.

chiboo9 · November 2014

And, Happy Birthday, @Silv3rlining‌ !!! <:-P

chiboo9 · November 2014

@Rmnam1‌

[Deleted User] · November 2014

S/O Santa - DH and I were talking and he would rather not do the Santa thing but isn't sure. I think it's just harmless fun. I only believed in Santa until I was four and figured it out - so my world wasn't shaken or anything. I don't know how a child of 9 or 10 would feel if she hadn't figured it out until then, though.

What say you? Harmless fun? Or are children ever scarred by knowing their parents had them believe in a lie?

In case we've never interacted, we aren't religious (my parents aren't either and still did the Santa thing sans religion). I think it makes the holiday really exciting for little kids and I think it's fun for parents, too. Obviously the gherkin is too young to understand this year, but I don't know how to feel.

gutsymama · November 2014

Hugs, Sparky. >:D<

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gutsymama · November 2014

So I suck and didn't get a chance to reply to many of your posts yesterday (I did read them - thanks for the advice re: dog situation!) and I haven't read spam beyond the OP.

Because I just spent my bump time instead trying to figure out how to respond calmly to a high school friend who reposted the article about the baby born in India with 8 limbs and made a Chernobyl mutant joke.

Ooooooh, my blood is boiling.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

I wish snow tires came in stroller wheel size.

chiboo9 · November 2014

@PickleX‌ I feel sorry for your kid for not believing in Santa.

Jk!!!!!!!!

I'm all for the magic that Santa brings during Christmas. I think it's harmless and as PP's mentioned, I know zero kids that have suffered in a negative way after finding out the truth about Santa's existence (or non). Plus, the real world is such a scary and jacked up place that I would prefer for LO to believe in magical things such as Santa, fairies, Easter bunny, etc. for as long as possible.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

**Warning that something offensive to several is about to be said ***

My husband worries that if we have her believe in Santa, she will be more likely to believe in other things we believe to be magical/fictional/nonexistent that we do not want her to believe in unless she can justify these things using logic and fact, which we don't believe she will be able to ever.

chiboo9 · November 2014

lizabethann06 said:

Mamasighs said:
@chiboo9‌
>:D<

I can't imagine you anything other than charming and funny.
She's charming, funny, and the sweetest. :x

[Deleted User] · November 2014

econmama said:

**Warning that something offensive to several is about to be said ***

My husband worries that if we have her believe in Santa, she will be more likely to believe in other things we believe to be magical/fictional/nonexistent that we do not want her to believe in unless she can justify these things using logic and fact, which we don't believe she will be able to ever.
That's a giant logic leap. ETA: And what happens if she does become religious? Is the end of the world?

No, of course not. As long as she is happy with what she thinks and does, that's fine with me. I didn't word it quite right and he isn't dead set against Santa. I'm pro-Santa.

gutsymama · November 2014

Omg, talk about breaking the internet: Facebook jerk offers mostly-humble apology.

MRads · November 2014

My sister isn't doing Santa bc she doesn't want to lie to her kids. I think that's such a reach. There is a difference between fantasy and the magic of Christmas and bold faced lies.

chiboo9 · November 2014

econmama said:
Oh and I'm agnostic, btw. So I'm far from religious

Those who share the same faith as I do actually very much frown upon Santa, Easter bunny, Halloween, etc. Such characters and holidays shouldn't be celebrated and taught to children. But I celebrate children and the joy that such occasions and characters bring them.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

econmama said:

econmama said:

**Warning that something offensive to several is about to be said ***

My husband worries that if we have her believe in Santa, she will be more likely to believe in other things we believe to be magical/fictional/nonexistent that we do not want her to believe in unless she can justify these things using logic and fact, which we don't believe she will be able to ever.
That's a giant logic leap. ETA: And what happens if she does become religious? Is the end of the world?

No, of course not. As long as she is happy with what she thinks and does, that's fine with me. I didn't word it quite right and he isn't dead set against Santa. I'm pro-Santa.
Perhaps you didn't. Your post just comes across as very judgey and that you'll dislike if she has any sort of faith.

Hmm I didn't mean it to be judgy, but I also don't quite mean that I'll LOVE it if she has any kind of faith. She is her own person and will think what she is going to think. The worry was that "because it's magic" or "it just IS" would become a reason to believe in something (which it can be, and might be for my kid(s)). Again, I don't think this.

chiboo9 · November 2014

[Deleted User] · November 2014

Mamasighs said:

@PickleX‌ I am also not very religious but recognize there are mysteries in life that cannot be explained by logic, science or facts. I am ok with this and assume there are things that will stay that way. How do you plan to explain these things as your DD? Some things I've been asked: 1. What is a soul (what makes us who we are)? I assume you will teach her souls aren't real. 2. Where does life come from (past sperm meets egg) 3. How do animals know how we feel?

I don't believe in souls but do think the other two questions can be explained by logic, science, or facts. We have a doctor appt shortly but I'd look it up and see what the internet has to say. If asked these questions we'd look it up together.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

econmama said:

The idea that a 5 year old must use reason and logic depresses me. Seriously. Like, how do you like your kid watch Little Mermaid which has a talking mermaid if you rely on reason and logic? Or how can you allow your child the comfort of an invisible friend if you rely on reason or logic? Or that a kiss from mommy on a boo-boo heals it? Childhood is about faith and fantasy.

I don't think he meant a five year old had to use logic and reason. I think it was more like Santa being a gateway drug for serious lack of a better term.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

econmama said: econmama said: The idea that a 5 year old must use reason and logic depresses me. Seriously. Like, how do you like your kid watch Little Mermaid which has a talking mermaid if you rely on reason and logic? Or how can you allow your child the comfort of an invisible friend if you rely on reason or logic? Or that a kiss from mommy on a boo-boo heals it? Childhood is about faith and fantasy. I don't think he meant a five year old had to use logic and reason. I think it was more like Santa being a gateway drug for serious lack of a better term. To which I say, why Santa? What is unique about a jolly guy bringing gifts? If his argument is that using faith corrupts logic and reason, none of those things must be allowed. Seriously.

The Little Mermaid is a drawing. Imaginary friends are imaginary. Kisses from mommy do have some positive hormonal effects, I'm sure. I do get the point and I don't think Santa myth is harmful. I don't think husband really does either or he'd be more anti. It was brought up in a pro-con conversation.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

Mamasighs said:

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree on those, but I don't think anyone knows exactly why a heart begins to beat.

Maybe but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was magic?

[Deleted User] · November 2014

Mamasighs said:

Mamasighs said:

Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree on those, but I don't think anyone knows exactly why a heart begins to beat.

Maybe but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was magic?
Neither do I? I said there are things that can't be explained, and are considered mysteries science or logic has so far been unable to prove the causes. If you only teach life is ruled by these then there will be many questions that will fail to have an answer.

I think it's okay to not have an answer to every question. New stuff is being discovered and explained all the time. If my kid really wants to know why a heart starts beating, we'll set up a google news alert and hope something comes up.

KateJuly2013 · November 2014

lizabethann06 said:
Hey ladies!

The good:
- I'm eating fries
- I have time to catch up on spam during lunch
- both kids slept well
- Jack hasn't needed a nebulizer treatment in 24 hours

The bad-
- The snow stopped without accumulating
- DH works late tonight which means the kids will gang up on me at bedtime
- Green crap is leaking out of my nose like nothing I've ever seen before. %sinusproblems

The ugly-
- Aquaintence of mine named her baby Faithly Hope
- My back is killing me
- My team of docs (who I love and am comfortable with) is recommending I see a osteo specialist at U W Madison. They're going to push meds that haven't been approved for pre-menopausal women. I don't wanna.
- there's no snow in the forecast for the rest of the week (

The upside to the UW Madison part is meeting cool Bump chicks and having an awesome nurse friend here who can help navigate the craziness that is UW Hospital and Clinics. Silver Lining?

Sorry to hear your docs want you to be a guinea pig

KateJuly2013 · November 2014

Santa is cool for little kids. The end.

[Deleted User] · November 2014

KateJuly2013 said:

Santa is cool for little kids. The end.

Good enough for me

chiboo9 · November 2014

While we're already on the Santa topic, and this is probably somewhat more of a FFWC, but I always get so sad when little kids stop believing in Santa. I feel like a little bit of their innocence has gone, and they have taken a few tiny steps into the real world.

My almost 9yo nephew still believes in Santa. He has already been warned by my sister and BIL that he will probably start hearing from his friends that Santa isn't real. When they told him, he was just floored and couldn't fathom how kids can think so. My sister and BIL are thinking this might be his last year believing in Santa. Their plan is to tell him if he asks, and they will appoint him as lead Santa for his 3 little sisters moving forward.

atlvol · November 2014

Santa is a cool dude.

kaylakim · November 2014

KateJuly2013 said:
Santa is cool for little kids. The end.

Ditto this! I remember believing in Santa abd how magical it was. When I found out the truth I was disappointed but my world wasn't shaken. My parents let me help with all Santa related stuff for my younger siblings and it was so much fun to be on the other end of it too.

KateJuly2013 · November 2014

Afternoon update: Maggie intentionally called me her mom-mom for the first time today.

Also, I apparently have diarrhea, which will likely force me to cancel my dinner plans with IRL friends

I spent $65 on an organic free range turkey for the three of us for Thanksgiving. I better not fuck that up... 8-}

lancomechica · November 2014

So my mom still does "Santa" for my sister and I. I am almost. 36 and my sister almost 30.
It is still fun and exciting bringing back years of memories.
My sister and I are both reasonable/logical people with successful careers.
Neither of us ever did any drugs.
So you could say life long Santa belief leads to lower rates of drug use and higher socioeconomic status. (N=2).

KateJuly2013 · November 2014

@Silv3rlining‌ Happy Birthday! Have fun tonight!!!!

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lancomechica · November 2014

econmama said:

lancomechica said:
So my mom still does "Santa" for my sister and I. I am almost. 36 and my sister almost 30.
It is still fun and exciting bringing back years of memories.
My sister and I are both reasonable/logical people with successful careers.
Neither of us ever did any drugs.
So you could say life long Santa belief leads to lower rates of drug use and higher socioeconomic status. (N=2).
Correlation does not imply causation, @lancomechica‌ ;;)

I'm making that leap in my simplistic, fantasy impaired mind.

Could I have other data to perform a Santa meta-analysis? Or maybe I could use J13 as a prospective cohort study?

gutsymama · November 2014

lancomechica said:

So my mom still does "Santa" for my sister and I. I am almost. 36 and my sister almost 30. It is still fun and exciting bringing back years of memories. My sister and I are both reasonable/logical people with successful careers. Neither of us ever did any drugs. So you could say life long Santa belief leads to lower rates of drug use and higher socioeconomic status. (N=2).
Correlation does not imply causation, @lancomechica‌ ;;)
I'm making that leap in my simplistic, fantasy impaired mind. Could I have other data to perform a Santa meta-analysis? Or maybe I could use J13 as a prospective cohort study?

Methinks this calls for a spreadsheet.

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gutsymama · November 2014

In my freshman comp classes, I taught an article by Wayne Booth where he offers a general definition of religion and then looks at how science fits that definition. Sometimes it failed miserably if the students couldn't open their minds a little bit on both sides and let go of feeling attacked (that's not the tone of the article at all), but it led to some really fascinating, rewarding discussions too. I tried to find it to post here just as a tangential conversation piece, but I can't remember the title and I'd have to dig through a stack of files to find my hard copy

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gutsymama · November 2014

S/O Santa - Germaphobes come in!

I want to take Luke to see Santa. I want the pictures. But not bad enough to take him to the mall.

Our zoo does a series of breakfasts & dinners with Santa; I worked there until L was born, including serving as acting floor manager for the Santa breakfasts one year, so I am 100% sure the guy who runs the events would let me take L in very first before they even formed a line for Santa. But EW SANTA SUIT. How germy do you think that thing is?! Am I overreacting? :-&

KateJuly2013 · November 2014

Christmas is my favorite time of the year. I love all the traditions, minus fruitcake and heavy gift giving. The movies, the parties, red and green everything, the goodwill, the music, such a magical time of year. Christmas was just as special when I was a kid, and I can't wait to share it with Maggie.

Some people want to keep the Christ in Christmas. Some don't. To each his own. I just want to keep the holiday cheer and goodwill in christmas. And whether one believes in the Nativity story or not, it's a beautiful story. We will tell it every year, although we don't consider ourselves religious.

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