flu shot?

Katerina&Baby · November 2014

abeatyrn said:

sensitivesally said:

2junebabies said:

This is why I will not be getting a tdap.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/11/26/whooping-cough-shot-prevents-illness-not-spread-disease/

Doesn't really seem worth it to me if I could unknowingly spread the bacteria to my infant.

You get the tdap while you are pregnant so that you pass the protection offered by the vax to your baby until the baby is old enough to get his or her own shots.

This. Exactly. @2junebabies‌ your ignorance of your own choices is frightening.
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(Edit for quote fail.)

Exactly the bigger picture (I couldn't get past the blatant misreading of the article).

Imagined response: "But guys, the CDC says that they don't know exactly how long the protection will last so why even bother - doesn't seem worth it."

::eye roll::

juneberries · November 2014

Been following this post for days and just can't hold it in any more...

I need to say Thank You to all the anti-vaccine folks for increasing the chance that my father, who has leukemia, and my sister, who is on immunosuppressants after a kidney transplant, will get the flu and die.

Oh wait...maybe Thank isn't the word I'm looking for...

neongreen · November 2014

@sensitivesally - !!! Judge Judy is my spirit animal, how did you know! Now we can forever tell people not to pee on our legs and tell us it's raining.

tiffbot1985 · November 2014

I've been following and holding back too but I just can't. BABIES rely on herd immunity. There's a vaccination schedule for very scientific and safe reasons. So when I was taking DS to the ER before he was old enough to have some of his vaccinations, (he still has some left to go based on age) and I heard the dad seperated by a single thin curtain beside me telling the dr his 3 year old had never been vaccinated while my premature child was hooked up to oxygen waiting for a virus that he couldn't help himself against to pass, I now had to worry that he was going to get infected with whatever the child beside us had. I just beg that everyone keeps up to date with their vaccinations, including the flu. I have taken DS to ER and had overnight stays twice with him bronchial infections due to viruses that he can't protect himself against. I am very laid back and all for parenting on your own schedule, but this is a very, very important one for me. Saying we survived without vaccinations for hundreds of years is not true either. Check out any cemetery and see the age differences from a hundred years ago and now, specifically the flu of 1918. They would cry knowing people are turning help down now. ETA- I'm not naive, I know me telling anyone to get vaccinated isn't going to automatically change anyone's mind. But even if I can make one person put a second thought into it, that's all I need.

beckynsean11 · November 2014

Fox News has been cited as a source of information....time for me to tap outta this shit. JFC

Trampslikeus · November 2014

@2junebabies - honest question. Taking you outside of your first world/herd immunity comfort zone for a moment. Imagine you and your children lived in Liberia, and were told you could be vaccinated against Ebola, but that at this time the vaccine was only 70% effective. Applying your logic from the Tdap, you would turn down that vaccine and take your chances hoping that you or your children would not be exposed to Ebola having little to no chance of immunity, or consider the 70% odds to be a whole lot better than crossing fingers.

Like I said in the previous posts, the herd immunity provided to YOU by everyone else getting vaccines is all that separates you from folks who could actually be faced with that kind of decision. You are given the freedom to be flippant and reckless about this kind of thing because the majority of people around you have made more informed, evidence-based decisions.

I'm so tired and eyerolly at the "I can read so I know better than my doctor" bullshit. Do you think reading an article on the internet qualifies you to perform neurosurgery? Would you operate on your childs tonsils because you read about how to do it on the internet? NO. This is why we have medical school, medical professionals, and people who are trained for years to conduct and interpret research to make sound medical decisions.

Ravenclaw314 · November 2014

@2junebabies leave [edited by mod. No name calling, please.] here and come join us on the [edited by mod. No spamming your page.]. You won't get hate, rudeness, and bigoted rants from us.

Katerina&Baby · November 2014

@2junebabies leave [edited by mod. No name calling, please.] here and come join us on the [edited by mod. No spamming your page.]. You won't get hate, rudeness, and bigoted rants from us.

Yes, because correcting someone's flawed logic and poor reading comprehension skills definitely makes us bigoted. Right - because that makes any kind of sense.

neongreen · November 2014

Ravenclaw314 said:

@2junebabies leave [edited by mod. No name calling, please.] here and come join us on the [edited by mod. No spamming your page.]. You won't get hate, rudeness, and bigoted rants from us.

Yes, please do. Can I also suggest you all take it a step further? Like, can you all form your own private commune somewhere really isolated so you don't infect the rest of us with the results of your decisions? Kthnx.

Trampslikeus · November 2014

@ravenclaw314

Ravenclaw314 said:

@2junebabies leave [edited by mod. No name calling, please.] here and come join us on the [edited by mod. No spamming your page.]. You won't get hate, rudeness, and bigoted rants from us.

Ana0927 · November 2014

beckynsean11 said:

Fox News has been cited as a source of information....time for me to tap outta this shit. JFC

I have been following this post and the fox news reference threw me over the edge. I cannot believe someone would refer to Fox news for medical advise. I just cant.

magono20 · November 2014

magono20 · November 2014

I apparently know nothing. I guess Ill be a horrible mom.

blu-eyedwife · November 2014

magono20 said:

I was excited to read this post because my DH and I are going back and forth about if I should or not. But, this wasn't helpful. Why are we bashing each other if you get it or not? I thought this was going to be other peoples experiences and if they did it and how it affected them. And for the girl that said if I don't get the flu shot it will kill her father?! Reaching much? Does anyone have any experiences with taking or not taking it? Did anyone take it and wish they hadn't or vice versa?

I have literally never heard of anyone wishing they hadn't taken.

I do know a family who lost their 16 year old son to the flu a couple years back. I can't speak for the dead child, but I do know his family regrets him not taking it.

HTH!

Trampslikeus · November 2014

@magano20 in all seriousness, where in the "getting the flu shot is recommended by every medical organization, physicians organization, and reputable doctor in the US and Canada", along with "here are the well documented, evidence-based reasons why its important to get it" did you not find enough information?

In any case, here's an article about the several thousand people who died from the flu over the last few years and probably regret not getting the flu shot, or would eyeroll at the unvaccinated person they caught it from because they had a legit reason they couldn't get it (if they were not dead):
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

2junebabies · November 2014

This is the full text of the study quoted in the fox news article. No, I do not do my research on fox news. I posted it because it was a good summary.

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.full

Right in the conclusion it says: "Our data show that aP-vaccinated animals are infected and transmit pertussis to naïve contacts. Consistent with these findings, seroepidemiological studies have concluded that B. pertussis circulation is still high in countries with excellent aP uptake (27,50), and a cross-sectional study showed that postpartum aP vaccination of mothers did not reduce pertussis illness in young infants (51). These data suggest that cocooning is unlikely to be an effective strategy to reduce the burden of pertussis in infants."

I have not seen any proof that getting tdap during pregnancy enables the baby to produce antibodies, just speculation. I am not comfortable exposing my baby to the toxins in the vaccine. I do not think the benefits outweigh the risk.

This is probably the last thing I will post here.

beersandweirs · November 2014

brennazesquire said:

Just dropping off cookies for those who have gotten/will get the flu shot (and thus protect my son, who can't get the vaccine):

Lemme know if anyone wants milk to go with it!

Ooh, I am all about milk these days! And I of course got my flu shot, so I will gladly take a cookie as well!

juneberries · November 2014

I'm pretty sure I said "increasing the chance" that my father will get the flu, not "you will kill my father." But you know, reading. I get it. It's hard. I can't speak for the world, but I know that I, and every person I love or respect, make life choices not soley based on how it will effect us individually but based how those decisions will effect others as well. But you know, consideration and selflessness. Both hard.

mccall35 · November 2014

2junebabies said:
This is the full text of the study quoted in the fox news article. No, I do not do my research on fox news. I posted it because it was a good summary.

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.full

Right in the conclusion it says: "Our data show that aP-vaccinated animals are infected and transmit pertussis to naïve contacts. Consistent with these findings, seroepidemiological studies have concluded that B. pertussis circulation is still high in countries with excellent aP uptake (27,50), and a cross-sectional study showed that postpartum aP vaccination of mothers did not reduce pertussis illness in young infants (51). These data suggest that cocooning is unlikely to be an effective strategy to reduce the burden of pertussis in infants."

I have not seen any proof that getting tdap during pregnancy enables the baby to produce antibodies, just speculation. I am not comfortable exposing my baby to the toxins in the vaccine. I do not think the benefits outweigh the risk.

This is probably the last thing I will post here.

Please let it be. Just because you can copy and paste big words doesn't make you any less ignorant and ill-informed.

Seeya.

Katerina&Baby · November 2014

2junebabies said:
This is the full text of the study quoted in the fox news article. No, I do not do my research on fox news. I posted it because it was a good summary.

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.full

Right in the conclusion it says: "Our data show that aP-vaccinated animals are infected and transmit pertussis to naïve contacts. Consistent with these findings, seroepidemiological studies have concluded that B. pertussis circulation is still high in countries with excellent aP uptake (27,50), and a cross-sectional study showed that postpartum aP vaccination of mothers did not reduce pertussis illness in young infants (51). These data suggest that cocooning is unlikely to be an effective strategy to reduce the burden of pertussis in infants."

I have not seen any proof that getting tdap during pregnancy enables the baby to produce antibodies, just speculation. I am not comfortable exposing my baby to the toxins in the vaccine. I do not think the benefits outweigh the risk.

This is probably the last thing I will post here.

Way to take information out of context to support your conclusion (rather than letting your conclusion be guided by the information). The VERY next few sentences, which you have helpfully omitted, read as follows:

"However, it is important to note that our data in combination with human data show that vaccination with aP provides excellent protection from severe pertussis (52). Therefore, any short-term plan for addressing the resurgence of pertussis should include continued efforts to enhance aP immunization. However, to protect the most vulnerable members of the population and achieve optimal herd immunity, it will be necessary to develop a vaccination strategy that effectively blocks pertussis infection and transmission."

Also, this study dealt with postpartum vaccination only and so does not address the situation at hand - which is to get your vaccination while pregnant to allow your infant to be born with some latent antibodies to help bridge the gap between birth and age 2 months (when your child can receive their own DTaP vaccine). If anything, this study SUPPORTS the argument for Tdap because cocooning (the practice of having everyone who comes into contact with baby be vaccinated) isn't as effective as we would like.

Maybe you haven't seen any support for the conclusion that mothers can pass along antibodies to fight pertussis via the Tdap vaccine because you haven't looked for it. Please see the following for scientific evidence to support the "speculation":
Gall SA, Myers J, Pichichero M. Maternal immunization with tetanus-diphtheria-pertussis vaccine: effect on maternal and neonatal serum antibody levels. Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2011

Edit: Since reading comprehension isn't really your thing, here is the conclusion from the study I just referred you to:
"CONCLUSION: Administering Tdap during pregnancy increases antibody titers against diphtheria and pertussis antigens. Maternal Tdap may prevent neonatal pertussis infection."

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