DD isn't potty trained & starts preschool tomorrow. They are going to help her with it & put her in a transitional classroom.
I wasn't aware that not being PT equals not ready for Pre-K. /:)
Holy reading fail people! No one is saying that if your kid isn't pt'd that they aren't ready for preschool. Some facilities aren't licensed to care for children who aren't, so they have a rule that kids must be pt. you know, so they can keep their license!
you are jumping to conclusions you don't know that this is the reason.
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This IS the reason. Not all preschools are licensed the same. That's great if your preschool teachers can help in the bathroom. Really, I think it's great. But ours aren't. @Andrewsgal
FOR FUCKS SAKE CAN WE PLEASE ALL REALIZE THE DAMN KID IN QUESTION IS TRAINED. YES I AM YELLING.
The policy says the kid has to be trained and she is. I am failing to see how his is a potty training issue.
I'm still waiting for @Mrs.Greg to address this. :-\"
Sorry. I had to back and check my responses because I never said this kid isn't potty trained. The rules at the school are about using the bathroom independently.
She is independent. DS had one of those foldable potty seats. When we were out and about, he would go in the diaper bag, pull it out, use it, wipe it down, and fold it back up. That is pretty independent.
That's convenient anyway. If she is independent with the ring does that work for you? Obviously what she wants is not against licensing or the director would not have allowed it do I don't buy that.
Obviously my interpretation of the rules are skewed. I admit that. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. I felt the word "independently" implied no toilet ring. And I guess since I consider a potty ring somewhat "dependent", I thought it was inappropriate to have it in the class bathroom.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
I just feel like if your child cannot use a public bathroom they are not ready for preschool.
So others might not be saying it but OP did.
Yes, I did originally say this. But I realized I misspoke and should have said they weren't ready for a school with strict potty training rules. But obviously my views on independent bathroom use differs from those on this board.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
nope I don't buy that this is a licensing thing. There is no way the director of even a remotely good preschool would put the whole school on the line for a potty ring.
If I advocated for a ring-seat cushion for DD (if she will ever PT in the near future) & was granted it by the school then what business is it of mrsgreg's?
OP is getting her panties in a twist over another child's needs in the restroom. That's pretty fucked up. :-??
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
But they helped your older daughter...how in the world do you dare to complain after they were still flushing for your FOUR year old? Seriously?
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
So you are saying that Lexus' licensing argument is false? I'm just trying to keep up.
Again, if little Sally can take her ass in the bathroom, plop her ring on, do her business, wash up and remove her ring without teacher assistance she sounds pretty independent THUS she meets the schools potty training guidelines.
Obviously I can't remember specifically who said what. So I do 't know what her argument is. I don't know our school's policy on potty rings. I just know that the teachers can't help in the bathroom because they aren't licensed to. And yes, apparently the facility had to be licensed a certain way to help kids wipe after peeing and pull up their pants for then.
And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
So you are saying that Lexus' licensing argument is false? I'm just trying to keep up.
Again, if little Sally can take her ass in the bathroom, plop her ring on, do her business, wash up and remove her ring without teacher assistance she sounds pretty independent THUS she meets the schools potty training guidelines.
Obviously I can't remember specifically who said what. So I do 't know what her argument is. I don't know our school's policy on potty rings. I just know that the teachers can't help in the bathroom because they aren't licensed to. And yes, apparently the facility had to be licensed a certain way to help kids wipe after peeing and pull up their pants for then.
And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
So you are saying that Lexus' licensing argument is false? I'm just trying to keep up.
Again, if little Sally can take her ass in the bathroom, plop her ring on, do her business, wash up and remove her ring without teacher assistance she sounds pretty independent THUS she meets the schools potty training guidelines.
Obviously I can't remember specifically who said what. So I do 't know what her argument is. I don't know our school's policy on potty rings. I just know that the teachers can't help in the bathroom because they aren't licensed to. And yes, apparently the facility had to be licensed a certain way to help kids wipe after peeing and pull up their pants for then.
And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Buy needing help flushing is independent?
She didn't like being splashed in the face with pee water. I don't have any other argument for this.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
So you are saying that Lexus' licensing argument is false? I'm just trying to keep up.
Again, if little Sally can take her ass in the bathroom, plop her ring on, do her business, wash up and remove her ring without teacher assistance she sounds pretty independent THUS she meets the schools potty training guidelines.
Obviously I can't remember specifically who said what. So I do 't know what her argument is. I don't know our school's policy on potty rings. I just know that the teachers can't help in the bathroom because they aren't licensed to. And yes, apparently the facility had to be licensed a certain way to help kids wipe after peeing and pull up their pants for then.
And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Buy needing help flushing is independent?
She didn't like being splashed in the face with pee water. I don't have any other argument for this.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
So you are saying that Lexus' licensing argument is false? I'm just trying to keep up.
Again, if little Sally can take her ass in the bathroom, plop her ring on, do her business, wash up and remove her ring without teacher assistance she sounds pretty independent THUS she meets the schools potty training guidelines.
Obviously I can't remember specifically who said what. So I do 't know what her argument is. I don't know our school's policy on potty rings. I just know that the teachers can't help in the bathroom because they aren't licensed to. And yes, apparently the facility had to be licensed a certain way to help kids wipe after peeing and pull up their pants for then.
And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Buy needing help flushing is independent?
She didn't like being splashed in the face with pee water. I don't have any other argument for this.
You don't have to have an argument...that child doesn't like falling in the fucking toilet. SAME THING. You get that right? Seriously, please say that you do.
Why does ring = not independent? Maybe I'll keep asking until I get an answer.
It doesn't matter because the school can't (from a health stand point) allow a child to put a toilet ring in and out of their backpack or cubby. It's not sanitary. And needing help cleaning the potty ring (aka a teacher stepping away from the rest of the class to sanitize it and pack it away)is not independent. The school is taking a risk that they won't get inspected before the kid is weaned from the seat. Hoping they don't get inspected before then.
Did you ever clarify this? How do you know what kind of license this place has?
What is going on in this post?
Dude. Are you ignoring my every response to this?? This is our school's policy because of the way it is licensed.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it.
Do you have plans to bring your concerns to the director? What kind of place would risk their license for 1 little girl? I would pull my kids if the place was that shady.
Are you going to let your babies go somewhere that disregards licensing rules?
I just realized I quoted without reading the entire response. I don't know the school's policy regarding a potty ring. I thought they were talking about the school's policy about the teachers in the bathroom with the students.
=; :^o
Andrewsgal did say in another response that I didn't confirm the no teacher's help in the bathroom policy being a licensing thing. I thought I was quoting and responding to that. My bad.
So you are saying that Lexus' licensing argument is false? I'm just trying to keep up.
Again, if little Sally can take her ass in the bathroom, plop her ring on, do her business, wash up and remove her ring without teacher assistance she sounds pretty independent THUS she meets the schools potty training guidelines.
Obviously I can't remember specifically who said what. So I do 't know what her argument is. I don't know our school's policy on potty rings. I just know that the teachers can't help in the bathroom because they aren't licensed to. And yes, apparently the facility had to be licensed a certain way to help kids wipe after peeing and pull up their pants for then.
And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Buy needing help flushing is independent?
She didn't like being splashed in the face with pee water. I don't have any other argument for this.
Flushing for your kid = potty ring for another.
Both are special accommodations for the kids in the rest room. This other kid's desire/need for a cushioned booty & not falling in is just as important as Your kid's need to avoid pee-water to the face.
Why is it ok for you to ask for special treatment but another mom cannot? Please to be explaining this. :-??
Yeah I get it. What I don't get is why have to keep repeating that my interpretation of the rules is different from other people's. And yeah I didn't think my kid should have to be splashed in the face with toilet water if you want to use the bathroom. I didn't think it was too much to ask that the teacher lift up her foot and flush the toilet for her. But yes, I felt that using a toilet ring wasn't really independent. Sue me.
Also, IDGAF how little kids go to the shitter. It's blowing my mind that OP is picking a potty issue to freak out about. The cushion keeps the kid from falling in & hurting themselves when the water splashes up on them.
I'm speaking from my experience this morning when DD was scared out of her wits by the bathroom in the library. It was the one time I forgot the cushion in the car.
If you like the school then don't worry about what they do with kids that aren't yours (as long as it's all legal etc). The kid may have some special needs situation that is not your business & the school is trying to work with them.
Yeah I get it. What I don't get is why have to keep repeating that my interpretation of the rules is different from other people's. And yeah I didn't think my kid should have to be splashed in the face with toilet water if you want to use the bathroom. I didn't think it was too much to ask that the teacher lift up her foot and flush the toilet for her. But yes, I felt that using a toilet ring wasn't really independent. Sue me.
OMG now you are just fucking with us. You are fucking crazy.
I am not sure why you have your pantie in a twist about this.
I also don't know why you think the rings means he is not trained. the kid has a fear of falling in. those holes are big.
I want you to do an experiment for me. I want you to try and pee with your toilet seat UP at home. see how difficult it is to balance yourself on the edge of the bowl when the hole is much bigger than your ass. I am dead serious here. I really think it will give you perspective on the fear this 3 yo has
lastly, let it go. it's the preschools problem to handle it. don't get all worked up over something that your not involved in.
And try it using only one hand, because you need the other to point your penis down, to keep from spraying pee all over the floor.
Sorry if this point has been made, I'm still on pg 3.
Like have you ever sat on the toilet when the seat was up and gone ass first into the bowl? That is how small children feel every time they use the toilet.
You guys should see my teeny tiny kid balance on the toilet. It's a wonder she doesn't fall in on the daily. I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said. It's nice that the school is willing to make such an insignificant, reasonable concession. Good for them.
So your interpretation of the rules is what trumps all? If the teacher can help your kid flush then giving the kid their own potty cushion to use (with no help presumably or extremely limited help) should be fine.
Why isn't it according to you? That makes no fucking sense.
Omg, I do get it! I DIDN'T think my kid needing help flushing the toilet was a huge deal. But yes, now I see they are the same. I GET IT. I think I said that a few posts ago. And yes, again, my interpretation of the rules was possibly incorrect. Is it a terrible thing for you all to help me see my original idea wasn't rational?
Omg, I do get it! I DIDN'T think my kid needing help flushing the toilet was a huge deal. But yes, now I see they are the same. I GET IT. I think I said that a few posts ago. And yes, again, my interpretation of the rules was possibly incorrect. Is it a terrible thing for you all to help me see my original idea wasn't rational?
It's not a terrible thing, necessarily. However, you've made some pretty assy blanket generalizations regarding potty training & Preschool readiness. I'm still wondering about you. :-?
Re: My little preschool annoyance today
you are jumping to conclusions you don't know that this is the reason.
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This IS the reason. Not all preschools are licensed the same. That's great if your preschool teachers can help in the bathroom. Really, I think it's great. But ours aren't. @Andrewsgal
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is way different than
"if your kid isn't PT then they shouldn't go to Pre-k" the blanket statement that appears to speak for all.
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nope I don't buy that this is a licensing thing. There is no way the director of even a remotely good preschool would put the whole school on the line for a potty ring.
OP is getting her panties in a twist over another child's needs in the restroom. That's pretty fucked up. :-??
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And again, I already admitted my interpretation of the "independent" rule is skewed or different or whatever. I felt independent meant without a toilet ring. That was MY opinion.
Nope you are entirely too rational and realistic.
Both are special accommodations for the kids in the rest room. This other kid's desire/need for a cushioned booty & not falling in is just as important as Your kid's need to avoid pee-water to the face.
Why is it ok for you to ask for special treatment but another mom cannot? Please to be explaining this. :-??
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I'm speaking from my experience this morning when DD was scared out of her wits by the bathroom in the library. It was the one time I forgot the cushion in the car.
If you like the school then don't worry about what they do with kids that aren't yours (as long as it's all legal etc). The kid may have some special needs situation that is not your business & the school is trying to work with them.
MYOB dude.
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Sorry if this point has been made, I'm still on pg 3.
You guys should see my teeny tiny kid balance on the toilet. It's a wonder she doesn't fall in on the daily. I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said. It's nice that the school is willing to make such an insignificant, reasonable concession. Good for them.
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Why isn't it according to you? That makes no fucking sense.
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