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peanut butter at daycare

I have some major concerns with our daycare serving peanut butter and jelly for lunch every other week.  I've expressed my concern, they coninue to serve it.  I'd rather not look for another daycare.  Has anyone hear if there are any rules with licening about peanut butter?
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Re: peanut butter at daycare

  • In Texas, it is daycare specific. There aren't any licensing restrictions.

     

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  • It's generally the daycare's choice, I haven't heard of any licensing regulations against it. I don't think they can force a center to be nut free, but most usually choose to be because peanut allergies are common and serious.
  • I can't understand the resistance from daycare. It seems easier to just go nut free and not have to worry about dealing with the possibility.

    Daycare regulations are set by the state but many states don't regulate being nut free.
  • Try a grassroots approach and get other parents to also lobby hard.
  • edited September 2014
    Our daycare allows it bc apparently there isn't a kid in the entire school with a nut allergy - it's a small school. It's not a part of the lunch menu though. I think that is a little odd on your school's part. Thy do have sandwich choices in place of hot lunch but it's ham, turkey and chicken salad.


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  • Are you concerned because your child is allergic? If so, have you addressed that specific issue with them? 
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  • Does your child or anyone have an allergy?
    If so, how do they deal with serving it and the child that has an allergy?
    If no one has an allergy, it shouldn't be a concern.
    My son is allergic to peanuts. His daycare up to four was nut free. I was happy that this was the case because I can't imagine ensuring toddlers didn't stick their peanut butter covered hands in each other.
    His school now is not nut free but he is very good about being cautious of his allergy so it is not a big concern.


    Bottom line, if it is a concern of yours and they are not putting you to ease, you need to switch.
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  • MommyAtty said:

    I am personally happy our preschool isn't nut-free. There is one kid in the school who is allergic, but his parents specifically requested the center not go nut-free because his doctors are slowly introducing peanuts into his diet to desensitize the allergy. They just asked that the teachers not let him eat it at school. My kid doesn't have an allergy, likes peanut butter, and eats virtually no meat. Peanut butter is a good, healthy source of protein, so why limit it without a very good reason? I could understand if there were kids with extreme allergies at the school, but there aren't. And extremely allergic children really aren't that common. (Btw, my kid is allergic to strawberries. I haven't asked the center to go berry-free. I did ask them to ensure she doesn't eat any.)

    Yes. Berry free and but free are totally equivalent.

    Extremely allergic children are more common than you think.

    We aren't a family of food allergies. I still support nut free schools. There are other good sources of kid friendly protein.
  • Other sources of protein - yogurt, hummus, beans, cheese, egg.

    That's just off the top of my head. My kid hates meat. I get it. But there are other sources.
  • Also, strawberries are not even berries, so WTF. Makes the analogy even dumber.
    DS born 8/8/09 and DD born 6/12/12.
  • emberlee3 said:
    Also, strawberries are not even berries, so WTF. Makes the analogy even dumber.
    I did not know that! 

    The more you know, huh.




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  • amy052006 said:
    We don't have allergies, and even I get nut allergy is not even close to berry allergies. Come on. Pre-elementary school littles, even with amazing hygiene and perfect table manners are going to spread peanut oil around.

    Actually, strawberry, nut, and milk allergies are exactly the same. They can be triggered either by ingestion or contact, depending on the kid and the severity. But I haven't insisted no other kid in the school have strawberries because my kid has an allergy. And again, I said if there actually was a kid with a severe allergy, I could understand it. But my kid doesn't need to live in a peanut-free bubble because some fictitious kid who does not exist in our school might have an allergy. I have a close friend who stops breathing if he comes into contact with milk. Like, any contact, not just ingestion. So should milk products be banned from daycare too? Again, no kid in my kid's preschool has a contact milk allergy, but gee whiz, shouldn't we be safe just in case?
  • Not good enough. If someone who was eating cheese grabs his arm without washing their hands first, there is an immediate reaction. And I don't believe people secrete peanut oil after eating peanut butter. There's this amazing aura around peanut allergies that is just really ridiculous. Yes, a few people have very severe peanut allergies. Some people have very severe allergies to milk. Or grass. (I was one. I couldn't go outside as a little kid if a neighbor was mowing their grass, but we didn't ask our neighbors to put in AstroTurf.) Or latex. We absolutely should accommodate a known allergy. But we shouldn't attempt to prevent any possible exposure to a possible allergen.
  • Peanut allergy can also be airborne.
  • MommyAtty said:

    Not good enough. If someone who was eating cheese grabs his arm without washing their hands first, there is an immediate reaction. And I don't believe people secrete peanut oil after eating peanut butter. There's this amazing aura around peanut allergies that is just really ridiculous. Yes, a few people have very severe peanut allergies. Some people have very severe allergies to milk. Or grass. (I was one. I couldn't go outside as a little kid if a neighbor was mowing their grass, but we didn't ask our neighbors to put in AstroTurf.) Or latex. We absolutely should accommodate a known allergy. But we shouldn't attempt to prevent any possible exposure to a possible allergen.

    I don't think you understand who dangerous it can be and how prevalent it actually is.

    The other examples are just...silly.
  • shannmshannm member
    edited September 2014
    K3am said:
    I'm a bit confused still.. Is there an actual peanut allergy that's triggering the concern? Do you just feel it's not nutritious enough? My opinion about a daycare serving peanut butter /  not addressing your concerns is based 100% on the nature of your concerns. 

    Yes, where did The OP go?
  • edited September 2014
    Hell, my daycare is even pork free to accommodate the Jewish and Muslim children.

    And other children get vegetarian because their religion doesn't eat meat.

    So perhaps I'm just used to accommodating schools.
  • So I'm guessing the state does not regulate peanute.

    Yes, DD is allergic to peanuts.  They started serving in every other week in May.  I addressed my concern, I was assured everything would be taken care of and I wouldn't have to worry about it.  It's every other week and I"m a teach so they're home in the summer so I only delt with it about 3 times.  Over the summer DD had blood work done, her allergy has gotten much worse, a 3 on a 6 point scale to a 5.  I mentioned this again to DC, now they assure me she'll be sat way from the other children with one other child who does not like peanut butter, although I thought this is what they were doing.  No one else in her class is allergic.  This is her last year of daycare and I like the school and DS, 2, is comfortable there, it took him a while to adjust.  I'm thinking I maybe I should move them, but how do elementary schools work?  It's almost a waste to move them if I have to deal with this again next September.
  • Yeah, they can't just separate as they eat. They have to ensure no residual contamination.

    Some districts are but free, others aren't. Ours is. It just seems easier to me to avoid nuts as a school.
  • Oh, man.  That is a total bummer that your daughter's blood levels got worse, it is probably because of continued exposure at daycare.  My niece also has severe peanut (and tree nut) allergy.  In elementary school, her classroom is nut free, the cafeteria food/kitchen is nut free, and there is a nut free table for kids with allergies.

    DS's preschool was nut free, but none of the kids were allergic.  His kindergarten classroom is nut free, but the cafeteria is not.

    It seems like at least your classroom should be peanut free.  I would discuss an allergy action plan with your doctor, the director, and your child's teachers.
    DS born 8/8/09 and DD born 6/12/12.
  • owlet3owlet3 member
    edited September 2014
    What does your doctor say? Is it okay at that level to be around it and not ingest it... Or is the doctor concerned about her level of exposure if people around her is eating it? Take your doctors cues and discuss it with the school. Either way have a plan developed with the school, what happens if there is a problem, do they have access to an epipen...are they allowed and/or trained to use it. My kid was tested moderate but could be around other kids that ate it as long as he did no eat it, we still had a backup plan in case there was an issue, so I told the class it was okay to allow it.
  • Ours takes it room by room if a child is allergic that room is nut free. They don't serve meals other than pizza on Fridays. DDs old school allowed it even with an allergic child, which really bothered me. She had a child who was severe in her class and I told her no nuts in her lunch and explained why. If I was that child parent I would have pulled him.
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  • Reese is in an in-home. Before Reese started she used to serve peanut butter sandwiches--I think weekly. Once Reese started (she has a peanut allergy), the provider switched to almond butter sandwiches and sunbutter sandwiches for the kids. (both which she can have). 

    I will say our public school district isn't nut free. The classrooms may be (at least for snack time) but the cafeteria definitely isn't. They do have nut free tables for the kids to sit at, who are allergic but that is the extent of it. 
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  • edited September 2014
    Peanut allergies tend to be taken more seriously for two reason: first, the public is generally more aware of peanut allergies as opposed to other food allergies, and two, peanut allergies are generally more severe than other food allergies.  It is much more common for a person to have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts, and to have that reaction based on skin contact or even breathing in particles. 

    Anaphylaxis is SCARY.  And although the advent of epinephrine auto injectors has improved mortality rates greatly, every year children and adults die from anaphylaxis.

    My two year old has multiple food allergies.  Her daycare went peanut free when she was diagnosed.  I'm very grateful for this, because my daughter can have a reaction based on contact.  Do you know how hard it is to completely clean peanut butter residue off a table, chairs, and anything else 10 squirmy little two years olds have touched (their hair, their shirts, the toys etc. etc. etc.) My daughter's other allergies means she has to eat snacks/lunch in a highchair away from everyone else, but I'm less concerned about her other allergies because 1) she's only anaphylactic to peanuts (so far) and 2) it's a lot easier to clean spilled milk than peanut butter and 3) the other parents haven't been sending chickpeas and sesame seeds in their toddler's lunch boxes.

    To the OP, if your center is not taking this seriously, I would have your child's allergist write up an Allergy Action Plan and then schedule time with the Director to go over it.  Pound it into their heads how important it is to keep your child away from peanuts.  If they don't want to go nut-free, then they can do A,B,C, D and E instead.  (Usually, it's just easier for everyone to go nutfree)
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  • Can you talk to your center about switching to Almond or Sunflower butter? I agree with PP about getting printer information from the doctor's about residual exposure.

    In DS1's elementary school we got a note that a child in his class is allergic to tree nuts so we can not send anything with tree nuts as a snack. For lunch the children with allergies eat at a separate table in the cafeteria I think (that's why we can still send PBJ as lunch - but the kids need to know exactly what is being sent as lunch vs. as snack).
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  • fitmom82 said:

    So I'm guessing the state does not regulate peanute.


    Yes, DD is allergic to peanuts.  They started serving in every other week in May.  I addressed my concern, I was assured everything would be taken care of and I wouldn't have to worry about it.  It's every other week and I"m a teach so they're home in the summer so I only delt with it about 3 times.  Over the summer DD had blood work done, her allergy has gotten much worse, a 3 on a 6 point scale to a 5.  I mentioned this again to DC, now they assure me she'll be sat way from the other children with one other child who does not like peanut butter, although I thought this is what they were doing.  No one else in her class is allergic.  This is her last year of daycare and I like the school and DS, 2, is comfortable there, it took him a while to adjust.  I'm thinking I maybe I should move them, but how do elementary schools work?  It's almost a waste to move them if I have to deal with this again next September.
    That seems rather unprofessional for the DC. DS has a severe peanut and fish allergy, so his entire class gets an alternate meal on the day (once a month) that fish is served. His DC is already nut-free. I can't see how old your daughter is, but I would not trust any children younger than 5 to not touch each other while they still have peanut butter on their hands. In elementary school, your child would probably need to sit separately from the other children unless the school is nut-free; but by then she, and the other children would be old enough to know better.

  • MommyAtty said:

    Not good enough. If someone who was eating cheese grabs his arm without washing their hands first, there is an immediate reaction. And I don't believe people secrete peanut oil after eating peanut butter. There's this amazing aura around peanut allergies that is just really ridiculous. Yes, a few people have very severe peanut allergies. Some people have very severe allergies to milk. Or grass. (I was one. I couldn't go outside as a little kid if a neighbor was mowing their grass, but we didn't ask our neighbors to put in AstroTurf.) Or latex. We absolutely should accommodate a known allergy. But we shouldn't attempt to prevent any possible exposure to a possible allergen.

    While I don't disagree with your point about not needing to make accommodations when there are no kids with known allergies around, as a mom of a child with a severe food allergy, I don't think you should go around comparing your grass allergy to anyone's severe food allergies - unless your grass allergy caused you to go into anaphylaxis and required oxygen to be pumped into you to keep you breathing.
  • Not good enough. If someone who was eating cheese grabs his arm without washing their hands first, there is an immediate reaction. And I don't believe people secrete peanut oil after eating peanut butter. There's this amazing aura around peanut allergies that is just really ridiculous. Yes, a few people have very severe peanut allergies. Some people have very severe allergies to milk. Or grass. (I was one. I couldn't go outside as a little kid if a neighbor was mowing their grass, but we didn't ask our neighbors to put in AstroTurf.) Or latex. We absolutely should accommodate a known allergy. But we shouldn't attempt to prevent any possible exposure to a possible allergen.
    While I don't disagree with your point about not needing to make accommodations when there are no kids with known allergies around, as a mom of a child with a severe food allergy, I don't think you should go around comparing your grass allergy to anyone's severe food allergies - unless your grass allergy caused you to go into anaphylaxis and required oxygen to be pumped into you to keep you breathing.

    Actually it did. I had phenomenally serious grass allergies when I inhaled grass clippings. And I had less severe contact allergies (hives), meaning I couldn't play in wet or just mowed grass. I could play in other grass because allergy shots desensitized me enough that I could deal with the effects with Benadryl. My experience being a highly allergic kid is part of the reason this topic irks me. Peanuts are not the most dangerous allergy out there. They aren't even the most dangerous food allergy in terms of deaths. In a year, 150 people in America die of all food allergies, and the vast majority of them are adults. From the hysteria, you would think there was a child dropping dead every week from another child having peanut butter. To put it in perspective, 130 people a year die from run-ins with deer. In fact, the peanut-free when there isn't an allergic kid movement is believed to be increasing the incidence of peanut allergies/sensitivities and pediatricians are now encouraging earlier exposure to common food allergens, including peanuts. Which was my original point. Accommodate like mad when there's something to accommodate. But don't try to create a bubble when you don't have to. Like, if your kid is allergic to fish and nuts, don't make the facility latex-free as an added measure. It's not going to do anybody any good and really doesn't make sense.
  • I can't go outside in the fall because of fucking leaves.  It isn't the same thing as severe peanut allergies where cross contamination can kill insanely quickly.

    I just don't know how that isn't sinking in.

  • MommyAtty said:
    Not good enough. If someone who was eating cheese grabs his arm without washing their hands first, there is an immediate reaction. And I don't believe people secrete peanut oil after eating peanut butter. There's this amazing aura around peanut allergies that is just really ridiculous. Yes, a few people have very severe peanut allergies. Some people have very severe allergies to milk. Or grass. (I was one. I couldn't go outside as a little kid if a neighbor was mowing their grass, but we didn't ask our neighbors to put in AstroTurf.) Or latex. We absolutely should accommodate a known allergy. But we shouldn't attempt to prevent any possible exposure to a possible allergen.
    While I don't disagree with your point about not needing to make accommodations when there are no kids with known allergies around, as a mom of a child with a severe food allergy, I don't think you should go around comparing your grass allergy to anyone's severe food allergies - unless your grass allergy caused you to go into anaphylaxis and required oxygen to be pumped into you to keep you breathing.

    Actually it did. I had phenomenally serious grass allergies when I inhaled grass clippings. And I had less severe contact allergies (hives), meaning I couldn't play in wet or just mowed grass. I could play in other grass because allergy shots desensitized me enough that I could deal with the effects with Benadryl. My experience being a highly allergic kid is part of the reason this topic irks me. Peanuts are not the most dangerous allergy out there. They aren't even the most dangerous food allergy in terms of deaths. In a year, 150 people in America die of all food allergies, and the vast majority of them are adults. From the hysteria, you would think there was a child dropping dead every week from another child having peanut butter. To put it in perspective, 130 people a year die from run-ins with deer. In fact, the peanut-free when there isn't an allergic kid movement is believed to be increasing the incidence of peanut allergies/sensitivities and pediatricians are now encouraging earlier exposure to common food allergens, including peanuts. Which was my original point. Accommodate like mad when there's something to accommodate. But don't try to create a bubble when you don't have to. Like, if your kid is allergic to fish and nuts, don't make the facility latex-free as an added measure. It's not going to do anybody any good and really doesn't make sense.

    Sorry to keep beating a dead horse - but were you anaphylatic to grass?  If not, then I don't think your analogy works.  As to your whole "dear kill more people" analogy, the difference here is that you can take active steps to prevent deaths from being in contact with peanut butter, whereas I'd think deer run-ins are mostly accidental.

    I agree with you that you shouldn't go out of your way to wrap your child up in a bubble - at some point, one's child has to learn to live with his/her allergies.  When DS is old enough to go to school, our choice of school would not be dependant on whether the school is nut-free, because by then he should be able to take active measures himself to prevent coming in contact with his known allergent.  But while he is still young, you bet I'd ask the DC to go nut-free, and would remove my child if it isn't.

  • owlet3owlet3 member
    edited September 2014

    I can't go outside in the fall because of fucking leaves.  It isn't the same thing as severe peanut allergies where cross contamination can kill insanely quickly.

    I just don't know how that isn't sinking in.


    No the proper term in the case of grass is asthma attack, asthma attacks can kill. I have been to the hospital several times with my asthmatic child due to Timothy grass ---and once overnight and very serious due to fall hay play at school ---than my previously blood tested, skin tested peanut confirmed child. Ds was tested moderate and no longer shows any sign of any nut allergy. She has a point. Serious is serious but rare, regardless of the allergy--she is not discrediting that. Grass =sniffles more times than not, just like it is common for peanut allergies to mean (as was the case with my DS) he can be around it but not eat it. She is just saying to take it serious when necessary otherwise keep a level head. Btw-- I understand the world is a very scary place to navigate with a child that has severe allergies to something that is so common as a PB sandwich. I am sorry you are dealing with that.
  • Just to point out something as well. She is not asking that the facility be completely peanut free I think. She is asking that they stop actively SERVING peanuts every two weeks. It's one thing if a parent sends in a PBJ once in a while. While it's a risk as well, it's easier to make sure to wash one kid's hands. But they serve a PBJ every other week to all kids - the level of exposure is much much higher.
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  • I'm quite aware of how asthma and allergies work and how serious asthma is.  Is there where I toss out the # of hospitalizations, nebulizer treatments and shit to prove my asthma street cred too?

    At any rate- this post was about accommodating a single classroom that has a child with a known and easily avoidable allergy.  We seems to have lost track of that with the numerous strawman arguments.

    I am dumbfounded at the resistance to accommodating an allergic child (general population and not a passive callout, btw). 

  • My daycare is nut free.  Better safe than sorry in my opinion.  Oh, and my kid eats nuts all the time and peanut butter every few days.  But I have a friend whose daughter could die if she ingests even the slightest bit of peanut butter. 
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  • owlet3owlet3 member
    edited September 2014
    Nope Marla not a card--- diminishing what was a very complicated asthma experience with your very own one-upper that apparently equates to don't play in the fuckin leaves? That was not my point. The Op got a lot of good advice to address the school.
  • edited September 2014
    owlet3 said:

    Nope Marla not a card--- diminishing what was a very complicated asthma experience with your very own one-upper that apparently equates to don't play in the fuckin leaves?
    That was not my point.

    The Op got a lot of good advice to address the school.

    I don't play the Pain Olympics. I was being hyperbolic.
  • Grass allergy inducing asthma works exactly like leaf mold/tree pollen inducing asthma. An attack can happen by simply being outside. I'm sure you know that, though.

    This is still a ridiculous straw man argument that doesn't relate to peanut allergies at daycare.

    That's my point.

    Environmental allergies that are not easily avoidable is not the same, in terms of accommodating, as an easily avoidable known food allergy.
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