I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR CHILDREN

Re: I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR CHILDREN

• ravenclaw1 member

  August 2014

  Not appropriate
  
  I agree that a lot of the comments were excessive, and the photos certainly aren't PORN, but I don't think that he should be doing this.
  
  I just feel like there are too many creeps out there to share photos of your kid naked.

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• Soxgirl07 member

  August 2014

  What everyone else said.
  A few of those poses look like an attempt to sexualize. An amateur mom/dad in the backyard, I would assume innocence, because kids do funny things all the time, but a pro who likely took 100 similar shots and then chose that particular one to display? IDK
  And he has wonderful shots of her fully clothed. I'm sure there are more of those. Why not stick to them? It does kind of make me wonder if he isn't just trying to gain visibility...

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• MrsT0514 member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  I agree with others. None of the photos in particular seem offensive per se...its the fact that she's almost naked in them and too young to consent that makes me uncomfortable.
  
  Like others have touched on already, therethere's too much room for those photos to be sexualized by some sicko out there. You want to post a few cute photos of your child (with clothes on) on fb? Fine. But practically naked? Not ok, IMO.

  

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• jesuisfatiguee member

  August 2014

  I feel the same way others do about this. The photos were posted publicly online - what was he thinking?! 

  
  

  I am seriously concerned about his motives if he refuses to see how this is even remotely inappropriate. 

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• RondackHiker member

  August 2014

  Soxgirl07 said:

  What everyone else said.
  A few of those poses look like an attempt to sexualize. An amateur mom/dad in the backyard, I would assume innocence, because kids do funny things all the time, but a pro who likely took 100 similar shots and then chose that particular one to display? IDK
  And he has wonderful shots of her fully clothed. I'm sure there are more of those. Why not stick to them? It does kind of make me wonder if he isn't just trying to gain visibility...

  I hadn't thought about the 100 similar shots. That icks me out more.
  
  I wonder if he was trying to grab shots that imitated adults... Like trying to show a glimpse of her future or something?
  
  Or he just wanted attention.

  
  

  
  

   

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• acesup member

  August 2014

  I saw this on a photographers forum I belong to. As a photographer myself I see the artistic beauty in the photos. BUT a big fat NO to posting nude photos of children online. 1) a child is not old enough to consent and 2) there are sickos out there. Would he really want sickos looking at and potentially stealing and using his art for who knows what?!
  
  You have to think as a parent first, and an artist second.

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• Soxgirl07 member

  August 2014

  I've been trying to consider how I would feel about the shots if I hadn't seen them in this article. I *think* I would find them mostly cute, but a little uncomfortable that there were nudes posted publicly. Not sure I would care as much about the poses? It's hard to judge, because I'm already disturbed. Regardless, once a parent realizes their pictures could be perceived as porn, how do they not remove them from public sites?

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• littlestjerry member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  He sounds like an attention-seeking selfish ass. If he thinks nudity is so beautiful and not private, he should take pictures of his naked body squatting over a toilet in the middle of the road and post them on the internet. Then, he can put the ones of his kid in a baby book instead and everyone wins!

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• NotSharknado member

  August 2014

  If this is being called inappropriate and child porn, than why are these pics continuing to be posted in articles?
  
  Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel. Child porn doesn't come to mind, though.

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• Weljadraak member

  August 2014

  I disagree with posting nude pictures of children for the virtual world to see. I think what he is trying to do is show the human body how it "should" be - unashamed, free and innocent, like a child and trying to erase the sexuality about it.  However, using an actual child to depict his point is definitely...risqué, to say the least.  I believe he did what an artist should do and accomplished evoking emotion, but I think the subject is highly sensitive and he is totally disregarding that.  Since his whole objective is to get this point across, he could have done it in a way that would've been more well-received and actually driven the point home.  It's like, on one hand, I want to give him kudos for trying to break the down some barriers about the "struggle faced by many single fathers" and whatnot, but on the other hand, naked kids on the Internet.  I am curious what he would say if asked the question some PPs have touched on, "What about sexual predators?"  

  
  

  To answer the article's questions, pornography or art?  Leaning towards art.  Exploitation or expression?  Exploitation.  Is the human body a site of shame or wonder?  At this point in time, I'd say shame, unless you're behind closed doors and even then I wouldn't lean towards wonder.  Fear or freedom?  I'm down the middle on this one.  

               
  

      

                               

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• Rach7170 member

  August 2014

  MrsBadKat said:

  The only one I think he should remove is the one where she is completely naked, vagina and all in front of the door. The other ones aren't anything I wouldn't share of my own child.

  I'm sitting her too. None of the others were bad in my book.
  

  

  
  

  

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• acesup member

  August 2014

  uconnhuskie007 said:

  
  

  RondackHiker said:

  
  

  What everyone else said.
  A few of those poses look like an attempt to sexualize. An amateur mom/dad in the backyard, I would assume innocence, because kids do funny things all the time, but a pro who likely took 100 similar shots and then chose that particular one to display? IDK
  And he has wonderful shots of her fully clothed. I'm sure there are more of those. Why not stick to them? It does kind of make me wonder if he isn't just trying to gain visibility...

  I hadn't thought about the 100 similar shots. That icks me out more.
  
  I wonder if he was trying to grab shots that imitated adults... Like trying to show a glimpse of her future or something?
  
  Or he just wanted attention.

  
  

  If the bolded were true, than it would make me think of these photos as even more inappropriate.  
  
  This is true. If it intentions were purely artistic, then as a father how could he not see the issue once pointed out to him. I can't see how he would be argumentative about it. How can he not think "wow this is what people see from these images I don't want sickos looking at them!".

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• littlestjerry member

  August 2014

  The problem I have is that he's making the decision for his kid to give these pics a wide audience. If he's fine with nudity, great, but who's to say his daughter will be when she's old enough to realize all this shit is on the internet? She should have a choice and she doesn't. Nothing wrong with taking naked pics of your kid, but it's horrible to share them on the internet in my opinion.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• Weljadraak member

  August 2014

  TheEmpireNeedsYou said:

  This skeeves me out. Especially the one with the hands down her pants. It just seems too staged, too much a deliberate imitation of something you'd see an adult model do for a magazine.

  
  

  Taking some funny or artistic naked shots for the family photo album? Totally fine. Especially like the one where she's jumping on the bed naked. That just seems like something you catch your kid doing in the moment and snap pictures of because it's adorable.

  
  

  But something about how staged these are, that he deliberately chose to have her pose naked and then posted them for the world to see when she has no ability to consent bothers me deeply.

  Mayybee the one of her playing in the road, but I remember they are on a cross-country road trip so they presumably stepped out for a few minutes to stretch.  Not sure about the potty one, but maybe he truly roughed it.  I think they could appear that way because he is a professional, but I'm an adult and I'll still stick my hands down my pants, just nobody wants to photograph that.  

               
  

      

                               

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• Weljadraak member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

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• Weljadraak member

  August 2014

  NellyBluth said:

  Weljadraak said:

  Mayybee the one of her playing in the road, but I remember they are on a cross-country road trip so they presumably stepped out for a few minutes to stretch.  Not sure about the potty one, but maybe he truly roughed it.  I think they could appear that way because he is a professional, but I'm an adult and I'll still stick my hands down my pants, just nobody wants to photograph that.  

  I disagree.
  

  Well, we can set something up if you'd like.  I only have an outdated Cannon, though.  Just kidding, I know what you mean.  I mean I can see a little kid sticking their hands down their pants.  I honestly thought it was normal for kids to do that. 

               
  

      

                               

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• angelashly member

  August 2014

  I agree with others. I share photos with some family and friends, but I'm not going to put naked pictures on the internet for the public to see

  
  

  
  
  

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• NotSharknado member

  August 2014

  I think age has a lot to do with it too. She's clearly a baby. If she were older, say 5+, then I'd have a different take on it. Baby nudes do not bother me in the least.

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• [Deleted User] member

  August 2014

  Online =/= family photo album

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• NotSharknado member

  August 2014

  Also? Yes, bullying is a huge issue, but I can't help but hate the fact that we all change our behaviors because of the "We shouldn't do this just in case he/she might get bullied in the future" mentality.

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• littlestjerry member

  August 2014

  Also, pedophiles like pictures of naked children. They just do. It doesn't have to be "child porn" in the strictest sense for some sick fuck to enjoy it. All they have to do is right click and save and it's theirs forever. I'm not a pearl clutcher about putting pics of your kid on the internet. I post pics of DS all the time and I don't worry about posting pics of him here or on Facebook. But genital pics are a whole different ball game.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• [Deleted User] member

  August 2014

  thisisbread said:

  MarlaSinger& said:

  Online =/= family photo album

  Right. Which I stated.

  I wasn't arguing with you.  

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• [Deleted User] member

  August 2014

  thisisbread said:

  MarlaSinger& said:

  thisisbread said:

  MarlaSinger& said:

  Online =/= family photo album

  Right. Which I stated.

  I wasn't arguing with you.  

  Neither was I with you.

  This is a weird exchange. 

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• jesuisfatiguee member

  August 2014

  Sterling13 said:

  I certainly don't think it's pornographic, FTR. But I would be mortified as a teenager to see these pictures of me on the internet and kids are mean. I'd hate for this girl to get made fun of for this stuff as she gets older so her dad can prove a point. Creepers and pedophiles are another risk that these pictures add, and I err on the side of sharing less because I trust no one.

  Eye-pointy-thing.

  
  

  I have exactly 0 pictures of DS on FB because I'm so paranoid. 

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• babylimas member

  August 2014

  I'm pretty extreme in the camp of kid nudes are NBD. They aren't sexual. But these ick me out a little. The one with her hands down her pants is just weird.

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• Bythebeach09 member

  August 2014

  These pictures bother me almost to the point of disturbing me. If my daughter was standing against a wall putting her hands down her pants I would tell her to take her hands out of her pants, not go grab my camera. I don't like that they are posed. The one on the street creeps me out. What's wrong with this guy? Would he be comfortable taking these same pictures if it wasn't his child?

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• ShakeyJakey member

  August 2014

  Team not porn. I still don't like it because it's not her choice to post them. I didn't post pics of LO on FB until he was a year old. It was hard, honestly, because I just wanted to show everyone how cute he was. But it was nice having a little but of privacy from the world. He was like a little secret SO and I shared.
  
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• jesuisfatiguee member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Don't read the comments on the Gawker article.

  
  

  For the love of all the puppies and kitties and tiny, hoppin' buns... don't do it. 

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• Mei&Mei member

  August 2014

  I think the pictures are beautiful, in a way. It's art, obviously, which isn't always meant to be appropriate; sometimes it's supposed to push at your comfort zone and make you think about why, exactly, you have such a visceral reaction to an innocent child with her hands in her pants. 

  
  

   This guy reminds me a bit of Sally Mann, who also took nude shots of her kids, and the most famous one of her pre-teen smoking. 

  
  

   That being said, I get his fight and all, but I definitely would not put my child's genitals out there for the world to see, art or not. It's just too... Well, you see how well people have taken it and I would never choose to subject a child to that. 

  
  

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• cattuccino member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  It makes me terribly sad and anxiety-ridden that we live in a world where these photos cannot be posted. 
  
  Of themselves, I don't find them inappropriate (except maybe the crying one, but I don't know the story, or what was happening, maybe she really wanted a cookie). 
  
  The issue is that others might take more from them that is intended and interpret them in a way they were not (hopefully) intended. 
  
  That's what's fucked up here. 

  
  

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• NotSharknado member

  August 2014

  catbenatar said:

  NotSharknado said:

  If this is being called inappropriate and child porn, than why are these pics continuing to be posted in articles?
  
  

  It's not considered child porn. The people saying it is don't understand the legal definition. This does not qualify. Whether or not it's inappropriate is obviously subjective.

  Exactly my point.

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• littlestjerry member

  August 2014

  fredalina said:

  I think they are beautiful. I will vehemently defend his right to take them and post them. Personally, I wouldn't. I have a pic I adore of kiddo in just undies playing with the hose and I don't share it. But it's my kid and my art and my decision.

  But shouldn't the sharing of a kid's naked body with thousands/millions be HER decision, not the dad's decision? I would die if someone posted a picture of me totally nude outside of a house. What if she feels the same way in 10 years? Too late, it's already happened and can't be reversed.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• Soxgirl07 member

  August 2014

  Also, I'm not arguing that legal action should be taken. I guess I agree that it's his "right." But I don't think he should do it. Innocent photos or not, this particular exhibit is meant to be controversial. He's using his daughter to further his art career in a way that she may or may not be comfortable with in the future. In a way that pedophiles may or may not use to get off. He's an ass.

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• dovetail223 member

  August 2014

  I am in team not porn, but I can see the flip side.
  
  I have a much bigger problem with the anonymous commenters on his posts spewing hate. I totally get why this man felt he had to make this a bigger deal and defend himself.
  
  
  

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• littlestjerry member

  August 2014

  rvasc said:

  littlestjerry said:

  fredalina said:

  I think they are beautiful. I will vehemently defend his right to take them and post them. Personally, I wouldn't. I have a pic I adore of kiddo in just undies playing with the hose and I don't share it. But it's my kid and my art and my decision.

  But shouldn't the sharing of a kid's naked body with thousands/millions be HER decision, not the dad's decision? I would die if someone posted a picture of me totally nude outside of a house. What if she feels the same way in 10 years? Too late, it's already happened and can't be reversed.

  This is where I am. If I had pictures posted on the internet like that from when I was a toddler, I would be mortified.

  Or now even. Like, if DH took naked pictures of me and then decided on his own to post them on the internet, fuck no. We'd all agree that he'd be an asshole right? How is this different, besides being worse because this little girl doesn't even really understand what she's doing in posing for these pictures?
  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• argonne member

  August 2014

  I don't inherently think there is anything wrong with the photos, per se.  What's wrong is that they're out there for the entire world to see.  Those saying they don't see anything wrong with the photos being posted need to realize that they are speaking within the context of themselves and their feelings.  That's great if it would be NBD if you found these photos of yourself years later.  You can't project those feelings on this little girl, because it may be a big deal for her when she's older.  Maybe it won't be. The point is that we shouldn't even be having this discussion because those photos should not have been posted in the public realm (hands down the pants and full frontal mostly).  

  She has no choice in what her father does with those photos.  She has no choice whether some pedo is getting off on these pictures.  She doesn't understand what attention these photos might garner.   

  
  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
  

  

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• littlestjerry member

  August 2014

  Of course pervs can get off on innocuous things, but the average pedophile is obviously much more interested in genitalia pictures than fully clothed kids playing in Cheerios. You can't protect your child from everything but why hand them up on a silver platter in the name of "art?"

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• umma4babes member

  August 2014

  My biggest issue with this is his daughter's ability to consent. I would err on the side of being boring and prude especially when it comes to social media, let alone my children.

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