FFFC

[Deleted User] · August 2014

lrobi13 said:
So I may need to start washing my bras more frequently bc last night I saw my first leakage out of my right nip. My boob was feeling all lumpy so I massaged it just a bit and then bam. It wasn't a bunch but I was so caught off guard (even though a bunch of notches on here have been talking about it)

I'm so scared of massaging my boob or squeezing my nips because of this. I don't know if I'm mentally prepared to see stuff come out yet!

MorganWP · August 2014

My FFFC: I kind of want to send DD to some kind of daycare or playgroup or something a couple times a week next year. Just so a) I don't have to deal with two munchkins all day, everyday and b) because I feel like I'm robbing her of something by keeping her home all day. She needs to socialize with other kids her age.

I also totally copied and pasted this from my other BMB just so I wouldn't have to type it out again.

trisharenee0316 · August 2014

A friend of mine just had IVF and apparently it worked--she's pregnant.

The FFFC part: While I'm happy for her that her treatment worked, I'm not sure if I'm happier still that it worked because now it means I won't have to see the crowdfunding link displayed all over Facebook anymore. She was using Gofundme or one of those similar sites to raise money for her treatment and it got posted all.the.time.

MorganWP · August 2014

scottysgirl77 said:

My FFFC: I kind of want to send DD to some kind of daycare or playgroup or something a couple times a week next year. Just so a) I don't have to deal with two munchkins all day, everyday and b) because I feel like I'm robbing her of something by keeping her home all day. She needs to socialize with other kids her age.

I also totally copied and pasted this from my other BMB just so I wouldn't have to type it out again.
Is there a library, church, or y that does a weekly Mother's Day Out? When I nannied, my charge went twice a week to the Methodist church for the morning and got some socialization in. it wasn't too expensive and it wasn't putting him in a daycare center.

Not mother's day out specifically but something like it, I'm sure. I would have to check again in December because right now she's like in this awkward limbo age. Too old for infant programs but too young for the toddler/preschool stuff that usually start at 18 months.

lrobi13 · August 2014

deezidee04 said:

So I may need to start washing my bras more frequently bc last night I saw my first leakage out of my right nip. My boob was feeling all lumpy so I massaged it just a bit and then bam. It wasn't a bunch but I was so caught off guard (even though a bunch of notches on here have been talking about it)
I'm so scared of massaging my boob or squeezing my nips because of this. I don't know if I'm mentally prepared to see stuff come out yet!

Honestly, it didn't even dawn on me that it was a possibility. When it happened I was all like "oh yeah, that is how this works" L-)

MuffinMom14 · August 2014

Nicb13 said:

Di_126 said:

@sweetadeline31 @MrsSinner402 I'm pretty sure the over an undershirt is a religious sort of thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, @TicketTuesday. My cousin does the same thing and I believe is the same religion.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Anyone care to give me more details because I'm super curious now about this whole "bra over a shirt" thing. If it's personal, just let me know and I'll Google it!

I'm glad you asked, because I was getting ready to.

Thanks for the explanation, @TicketTuesday. That's really interesting, and I'd never heard of it. Of course, I have to state the obvious and say...doesn't that get HOT?! Pre-baby, sometimes, I'd not even wear a bra (I be cheating if I REALLY said I was a B, I was probably an A, but wore 34B to make myself feel better.).

pnwlover12 · August 2014

Nicb13 said:

FamousEa said:

A friend of mine just had IVF and apparently it worked--she's pregnant.

The FFFC part: While I'm happy for her that her treatment worked, I'm not sure if I'm happier still that it worked because now it means I won't have to see the crowdfunding link displayed all over Facebook anymore. She was using Gofundme or one of those similar sites to raise money for her treatment and it got posted all.the.time.

Nothing flammable, seeing that ALL time would annoy me too.

Agreed. I wouldn't think to ask other people for money for something like that. I just wouldn't.

Yep. It wouldn't bother me if it was mentioned...but the constant "Hey! Go fund me here!" would annoy the shit out of me. I understand that IF treatments are beyond expensive, but damn....that is something that I think close friends/family should donate to, not asking everyone and their mother on FB.

bumpuser10309732 · August 2014

Nicb13 said:

FamousEa said:

A friend of mine just had IVF and apparently it worked--she's pregnant.

The FFFC part: While I'm happy for her that her treatment worked, I'm not sure if I'm happier still that it worked because now it means I won't have to see the crowdfunding link displayed all over Facebook anymore. She was using Gofundme or one of those similar sites to raise money for her treatment and it got posted all.the.time.

Nothing flammable, seeing that ALL time would annoy me too.

Agreed. I wouldn't think to ask other people for money for something like that. I just wouldn't.

^This!

MuffinMom14 · August 2014

pnwlover12 said:

Nicb13 said:

FamousEa said:

A friend of mine just had IVF and apparently it worked--she's pregnant.

The FFFC part: While I'm happy for her that her treatment worked, I'm not sure if I'm happier still that it worked because now it means I won't have to see the crowdfunding link displayed all over Facebook anymore. She was using Gofundme or one of those similar sites to raise money for her treatment and it got posted all.the.time.

Nothing flammable, seeing that ALL time would annoy me too.

Agreed. I wouldn't think to ask other people for money for something like that. I just wouldn't.

Yep. It wouldn't bother me if it was mentioned...but the constant "Hey! Go fund me here!" would annoy the shit out of me. I understand that IF treatments are beyond expensive, but damn....that is something that I think close friends/family should donate to, not asking everyone and their mother on FB.

I guess I'm an awful person, because I probably wouldn't donate. Unless it was a VERY close friend or family member. I just. I know how devastating it has to be to need treatments, and I KNOW how financially devastating it can be, too. But. I don't know. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORDS TO USE.

I think it might be because there's a registry for EVERYTHING now, and EVERYONE wants to ask for money for EVERYTHING now (new car registries, wedding registries, baby registries, back-to-school registries). If I knew the couple personally and knew they truly needed it, ok, definitely, but in some cases, I feel like people are starting to have this attitude, like "this is owed to us, people will help us." Especially when people are registering for 4th babies and posting FB links (when they have 500 FB friends), because it's owed to them. I feel like baby registries and wedding registries should be shared with baby shower guests. Not the world.

Like... the way my mother looks at baby showers. She wants to know how much I get from everyone, so she can give back to those same people the same amount. I hate it. I also told her to eff off when she asked that question with the wedding shower. I said she could count the gifts and money from our wedding/shower if her name was on the checks and cards. It caused a 2-month fight in which we were ready to cancel the wedding and go to the courthouse instead. She shaped up at that point, because she realized we were fucking serious about not wanting her help with the wedding (that she dictated) if it came with strings.

I'm just tired of being asked for money and presents when I never ask anyone for anything because I'm too embarrassed to do so, even if I needed it.

vrj0522 · August 2014

MorganWP said:

My FFFC: I kind of want to send DD to some kind of daycare or playgroup or something a couple times a week next year. Just so a) I don't have to deal with two munchkins all day, everyday and b) because I feel like I'm robbing her of something by keeping her home all day. She needs to socialize with other kids her age.

I also totally copied and pasted this from my other BMB just so I wouldn't have to type it out again.

DS goes to the gym daycare almost everyday. He also goes once a week to a daycare where they do parents' night out and he has a playdate at least once a week with cousins, friends, or the meetup group we are a part of. I also think that having him socialize is super important and I have seen good things from it... he knows how to share, how to play nice with other kids, and I can leave him just about anywhere without him becoming clingy or having a hard time, and I'm a SAHM. I really do think there are huge benefits to socializing LOs from the time they are young.

trisharenee0316 · August 2014

pnwlover12 said:
Yep. It wouldn't bother me if it was mentioned...but the constant "Hey! Go fund me here!" would annoy the shit out of me. I understand that IF treatments are beyond expensive, but damn....that is something that I think close friends/family should donate to, not asking everyone and their mother on FB.

Yep, at least once a week (if not more), plus invites for fundraisers and other things meant to help out their treatment costs. I know IF treatment is expensive because I paid for three cycles of my own treatments this time! At no point did I ask anyone for help. I used my meager bonus from last year to pay for my treatments. I also wouldn't mind someone mentioning it, but posting about it several times a week was too much.

SPurp13 said:
I guess I'm an awful person, because I probably wouldn't donate. Unless it was a VERY close friend or family member. I just. I know how devastating it has to be to need treatments, and I KNOW how financially devastating it can be, too. But. I don't know. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORDS TO USE.

I think it might be because there's a registry for EVERYTHING now, and EVERYONE wants to ask for money for EVERYTHING now (new car registries, wedding registries, baby registries, back-to-school registries). If I knew the couple personally and knew they truly needed it, ok, definitely, but in some cases, I feel like people are starting to have this attitude, like "this is owed to us, people will help us." Especially when people are registering for 4th babies and posting FB links (when they have 500 FB friends), because it's owed to them. I feel like baby registries and wedding registries should be shared with baby shower guests. Not the world.

Like... the way my mother looks at baby showers. She wants to know how much I get from everyone, so she can give back to those same people the same amount. I hate it. I also told her to eff off when she asked that question with the wedding shower. I said she could count the gifts and money from our wedding/shower if her name was on the checks and cards. It caused a 2-month fight in which we were ready to cancel the wedding and go to the courthouse instead. She shaped up at that point, because she realized we were fucking serious about not wanting her help with the wedding (that she dictated) if it came with strings.

I'm just tired of being asked for money and presents when I never ask anyone for anything because I'm too embarrassed to do so, even if I needed it.

To the first bolded, I didn't donate. They had to jump to IVF because of personal circumstances, so it's not like they had already spent a lot of money on treatment and this was a last resort. I felt like they should have just saved up in that case. They just got married a few months ago. But it was almost like, as soon as the wedding was over, the requests for donations came.

As to the last two bolded:

cmac6186 · August 2014

Nicb13 said:

TicketTuesday said:

Di_126 said:

@sweetadeline31 @MrsSinner402 I'm pretty sure the over an undershirt is a religious sort of thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, @TicketTuesday. My cousin does the same thing and I believe is the same religion.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Anyone care to give me more details because I'm super curious now about this whole "bra over a shirt" thing. If it's personal, just let me know and I'll Google it!
Oh geez, if you Google it you'll probably find all sorts of craziness (like, made up junk). Many members of my religion wear sacred garments, symbolic of promises/covenants we make when we go to our temple. I wear them under my clothes to remind me of those things. Pretty much as simple as that.

Oh ok, I feel ya. I'm not religious but religion is very interesting to me!

Yes thanks @ticketTuesday I really enjoy learning about religious customs and traditions other than my own and I was curious as well!

pnwlover12 · August 2014

Ok I have another confession. When I decided to go back to school to get my BA, I realized I needed to take one math class to fulfill the university's requirements, so I chose a somewhat basic class (because I suck at math like no other) that is mostly dealing with finances and exponential growth.

There has been several times when I've almost started a thread asking all scientists/mathematicians/teachers etc. in the house for help, but I don't because I'm too embarrassed at how "easy" everyone will think it is.
L-)

lrobi13 · August 2014

pnwlover12 said:

Ok I have another confession. When I decided to go back to school to get my BA, I realized I needed to take one math class to fulfill the university's requirements, so I chose a somewhat basic class (because I suck at math like no other) that is mostly dealing with finances and exponential growth.

There has been several times when I've almost started a thread asking all scientists/mathematicians/teachers etc. in the house for help, but I don't because I'm too embarrassed at how "easy" everyone will think it is.
L-)

Well I am not that brave to sign up for a math class these days so no side-eyeing would be coming from me. Go ahead with your bad self! I am sure someone here would love to show off their sweet math skills for you!

cmac6186 · August 2014

My FFFC: My friend just called to tell me she is pregnant and puking her brains out. I was very supportive and gave her whatever tips I had from my own first tri hell. After I hung up, I did a little happy dance that I no longer throw up every other thing I eat.
\:D/

golfingdarwinfish · August 2014

pnwlover12 said:

Ok I have another confession. When I decided to go back to school to get my BA, I realized I needed to take one math class to fulfill the university's requirements, so I chose a somewhat basic class (because I suck at math like no other) that is mostly dealing with finances and exponential growth.

There has been several times when I've almost started a thread asking all scientists/mathematicians/teachers etc. in the house for help, but I don't because I'm too embarrassed at how "easy" everyone will think it is.
L-)

Next time just start the thread! Or PMs!

You may find that someone explains/breaks down the problem in a way that resonates with you and helps in the long term

pnwlover12 · August 2014

Nicb13 said:

golfingdarwinfish said:

pnwlover12 said:

Ok I have another confession. When I decided to go back to school to get my BA, I realized I needed to take one math class to fulfill the university's requirements, so I chose a somewhat basic class (because I suck at math like no other) that is mostly dealing with finances and exponential growth.

There has been several times when I've almost started a thread asking all scientists/mathematicians/teachers etc. in the house for help, but I don't because I'm too embarrassed at how "easy" everyone will think it is.
L-)

Next time just start the thread! Or PMs! You may find that someone explains/breaks down the problem in a way that resonates with you and helps in the long term

And it will probably be you!!!

IKR?! She's my favorite scientist
:x

noellemari · August 2014

carriedaway19 said:
We have a friend who used one of those sites to raise money so his band could buy new equipment. Not only did he post it on Facebook, he texted us the link to it multiple times over a month or so span. None of us ever responded. My husband finally told him that we were saving for the baby and it just wasn't in the budget. It's just a hobby of his! I mean come on, what if I started a GoFundMe for our next vacation?

A friend of a friend on Facebook had a Go Fund Me for her college tuition so she could go back to school. I totally side eyed it.

pnwlover12 · August 2014

noellemari said:

We have a friend who used one of those sites to raise money so his band could buy new equipment. Not only did he post it on Facebook, he texted us the link to it multiple times over a month or so span. None of us ever responded. My husband finally told him that we were saving for the baby and it just wasn't in the budget. It's just a hobby of his! I mean come on, what if I started a GoFundMe for our next vacation?
A friend of a friend on Facebook had a Go Fund Me for her college tuition so she could go back to school. I totally side eyed it.

So inappropriate! I feel like these "Go fund me" type websites are (or at least should be) geared toward emergency situations...For example, a few months back here in WA, there was a devastating landslide that killed 40 some odd people and destroyed every single house in its path. I could totally get behind donating to something like that...but new band equipment? Are you kidding?

griffers · August 2014

I had a friend who was moving across the country for grad school and did one of those go fund me things for that. Like really? Ew. And she had been out of undergrad school for like 6 years so she had plenty of time to save up.

I'll give some good FFFC today. Hopefully I don't get shunned for them. I also had a rough time adjusting to the Bump. I never deleted my account but I did leave for a long time. Now when there is a convo that I feel could go south and my opinion will be unpopular I just don't post.

Also, I'm really afraid that my kid will be born with a) red hair and/or b) some kind of crazy birth mark/mole somewhere especially the face. I know that is so vain and terrible. I don't think there is anything wrong with those things but I don't want him to get picked on and I think he would

.

Finally, I really don't care about getting presents for my baby shower. It's nice but I can afford to by my own stuff if I need to. But for the love of God, if you're going to spend the money just buy something off my registry unless it's clothes. I spent seriously weeks putting that registry together. And I feel like when someone doesn't use the registry and just buys whatever is like they are saying they don't give a crap.

Saragoeswest · August 2014

pnwlover12 said:
Ok I have another confession. When I decided to go back to school to get my BA, I realized I needed to take one math class to fulfill the university's requirements, so I chose a somewhat basic class (because I suck at math like no other) that is mostly dealing with finances and exponential growth.

There has been several times when I've almost started a thread asking all scientists/mathematicians/teachers etc. in the house for help, but I don't because I'm too embarrassed at how "easy" everyone will think it is.
L-)

I would love to help you if I can!

pnwlover12 · August 2014

Saragoeswest said:

pnwlover12 said:
Ok I have another confession. When I decided to go back to school to get my BA, I realized I needed to take one math class to fulfill the university's requirements, so I chose a somewhat basic class (because I suck at math like no other) that is mostly dealing with finances and exponential growth.

There has been several times when I've almost started a thread asking all scientists/mathematicians/teachers etc. in the house for help, but I don't because I'm too embarrassed at how "easy" everyone will think it is.
L-)
I would love to help you if I can!

Thank you!! I'll keep that in mind, I have a hour to complete tests online. Hahaha.

MuffinMom14 · August 2014

@griffers I wouldn't mind red hair, but I have worried about birth marks/moles. That is SO SO vain. I feel stupid for it.

I also want people to pay attention to my baby registries. I'm looking at them every other day because Target can't keep a damn thing in stock, so I have to redo it every two days.

My shower isn't until August 23rd, but combined from both registries, about 10% has been purchased, including ALL the big things (carseats, strollers, swing, etc.). So it's all under $50 now, most under $20, to be honest. So, really, it's a good start. I'm hoping to just keep the registries around for a while after the baby and use it for a list for Christmas, Easter, etc. My Target registry stayed put for almost a year after we got married.

Saragoeswest · August 2014

Here's mine:
Today I took my super-destructive three and a half year old cat in for a front declaw. I feel like a horrible human being. I'm sad she woke up this afternoon to discover these little pieces of bone on her paws were amputated. And now she'll have to be exclusively an inside cat whereas before she would get to go adventure during the day. She's going to hate it. And I hate it.

Emerald27 · August 2014

*Burp* 8-}

Emerald27 · August 2014

It makes me laugh that you ladies are all worried about having bald babies. Bald babies really look normal...because it's so common for babies not to have hair! They won't look weird that way at all.

My DS was quite the unique one, though. He lost all the hair on the top of his head, but none of the hair on the sides or the back ever fell out! He looked like an old man for forever because it took a loooong time for any hair to grow on top of his head. Eventually I started cutting that hair short so that the hair on top of his head could catch up!

Doesn't matter how much hair they're born with if it all falls out!

Littledeer84 · August 2014

FamousEa said:
This might be flamed it might not be but I'm unnerved at the fact that 2 ebola patients are coming to the US. This might be the flammable part-Dude you went down there knowing full well what the fuck you were getting into, you got the disease accept your fate. I realize this sounds so crappy and uncaring but seriously this disease has never been introduced to US soil, WTF were these people thinking bringing these people back...

I sort of feel the same way. I try to rationalize it by thinking that someone must know what they are doing and this won't be some epidemic. But I have been following news about this outbreak for months now and it really freaks me out that it is getting brought to the US. I feel like we are at the start of a movie plot...

Littledeer84 · August 2014

Also, swype really fucks with my posts. I swear there is a typo in every post I make

griffers · August 2014

The Ebola thing scares me too! Wtf are they thinking?

@SPurp13‌ My registry is also at Target and I had to spend all day fixing it. Even my travel system is no longer avaliable. Also, my MIL wanted to buy one of the big ticket items and she still hasn't bought it and my shower is in 2 weeks. Some people at work want to split it and I'm like go ahead. Sorry I'm not going to turn it down!

This isn't a confession but I have to get it out. I just saw Paul George break his leg on TV and I no joke almost puked. Like I got hot and had to sit up. And I'm not squeamish. So if you are don't watch. Omg I'm going to have nightmares.

lrobi13 · August 2014

FamousEa said:
This might be flamed it might not be but I'm unnerved at the fact that 2 ebola patients are coming to the US. This might be the flammable part-Dude you went down there knowing full well what the fuck you were getting into, you got the disease accept your fate. I realize this sounds so crappy and uncaring but seriously this disease has never been introduced to US soil, WTF were these people thinking bringing these people back...

DH literally was losing his shit when we saw that on the news. He had some not nice things to say. My guess is that somebody wants to cure Ebola without having to leave the safety of Merica.

It is super scary considering the recent lab trouble in GA with anthrax and other scary shit.

persephonerose · August 2014

Saragoeswest said:

Here's mine: Today I took my super-destructive three and a half year old cat in for a front declaw. I feel like a horrible human being. I'm sad she woke up this afternoon to discover these little pieces of bone on her paws were amputated. And now she'll have to be exclusively an inside cat whereas before she would get to go adventure during the day. She's going to hate it. And I hate it.

I had to do this with my cat. I have had her for 12 years. She was rescued from a feral colony when she was a little over a year old. If I did not keep her they told me they would have to put her down because she had been returned so many times for behaviors. After 4 years I finally had her front claws done. I felt crappy, but I did not want to return her and we had tried everything even medication.

Upside. It has never stopped her. She still goes outside, she can climb trees and scale two story buildings. She still hunts and kills regularly and has adapted her killing blow to accommodate for the lack of front claws. You might be surprised what your cat will still be able to do and how adaptive she is.

pnwlover12 · August 2014

It sort of annoys me when friends of ours (w/o kids) would rather us go to their place to bbq or hang out, than coming to our house. Their place is tiny, with an airplane sized bathroom, and not kid friendly, so we have to watch DD like a hawk. Our place is much larger with a fenced yard. Come on, friends - work with me here!

saraheh007 · August 2014

I totally went and googled the leg break. Ouch!

imagine7696030614 · August 2014

FamousEa said:

This might be flamed it might not be but I'm unnerved at the fact that 2 ebola patients are coming to the US. This might be the flammable part-Dude you went down there knowing full well what the fuck you were getting into, you got the disease accept your fate. I realize this sounds so crappy and uncaring but seriously this disease has never been introduced to US soil, WTF were these people thinking bringing these people back...
DH literally was losing his shit when we saw that on the news. He had some not nice things to say. My guess is that somebody wants to cure Ebola without having to leave the safety of Merica. It is super scary considering the recent lab trouble in GA with anthrax and other scary shit.
I read an article that we have better means to support a persons body through the virus and basically they said that if they can keep the patient alive,they can win the fight. What is scary to me is that if these aid workers caught the disease with masks, protective clothing and such how is all that stuff going to protect the nurses and the doctors at Emory Hospital? It feels like that movie outbreak... You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to be that nurse or doctor that has to treat that patient.

This is exactly what I was saying to my dh earlier. I don't want to lack compassion but I'm really concerned about this. The Americans who chose to go over there to treat the Ebola victims most likely were well equipped with safety gear to prevent exposure and I'm sure they were well trained to take the utmost precautions, and yet, they still contracted it. Our media keeps reporting that it isn't that contagious but everything I've read sure seems to point to the contrary! I feel so horrible for the the two American victims but possibly risking the lives of millions here in America (where many regions are much more densely populated than in many hot spots in Africa) does not seem worth trying to save the lives of two here on American soil.

Saragoeswest · August 2014

@persephonerose‌ ah! That is really good to hear!

pinkshades05 · August 2014

imagine7696030614 said:

FamousEa said:

This might be flamed it might not be but I'm unnerved at the fact that 2 ebola patients are coming to the US. This might be the flammable part-Dude you went down there knowing full well what the fuck you were getting into, you got the disease accept your fate. I realize this sounds so crappy and uncaring but seriously this disease has never been introduced to US soil, WTF were these people thinking bringing these people back...
DH literally was losing his shit when we saw that on the news. He had some not nice things to say. My guess is that somebody wants to cure Ebola without having to leave the safety of Merica. It is super scary considering the recent lab trouble in GA with anthrax and other scary shit.
I read an article that we have better means to support a persons body through the virus and basically they said that if they can keep the patient alive,they can win the fight. What is scary to me is that if these aid workers caught the disease with masks, protective clothing and such how is all that stuff going to protect the nurses and the doctors at Emory Hospital? It feels like that movie outbreak... You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to be that nurse or doctor that has to treat that patient.

This is exactly what I was saying to my dh earlier. I don't want to lack compassion but I'm really concerned about this. The Americans who chose to go over there to treat the Ebola victims most likely were well equipped with safety gear to prevent exposure and I'm sure they were well trained to take the utmost precautions, and yet, they still contracted it. Our media keeps reporting that it isn't that contagious but everything I've read sure seems to point to the contrary! I feel so horrible for the the two American victims but possibly risking the lives of millions here in America (where many regions are much more densely populated than in many hot spots in Africa) does not seem worth trying to save the lives of two here on American soil.

From what this article says, it sounds like they'll be transported in a bubble and the unit they will be transferred to is contained. I'm sure people who come into contact with the infected individuals will have to wear full on body suits. I'm sure the staff will be constantly tested for exposure so that they aren't taking it home, either. I think if they are being careful, why not? We have better technology to care for these individuals. And conditions in these African countries are not as great and sanitary as they are here. The people don't seem to understand the disease and keep taking the infected individuals out of the hospitals and let them infect everyone else. It's a whole different culture there than here.

ETA: Here is the article that I was reading. https://news.msn.com/us/americans-with-ebola-returning-to-us-for-treatment

MorganWP · August 2014

....*hides here in Canada faaaaaar away from Atlanta*

Emerald27 · August 2014

@persephonerose‌ The danger, though, would be that your kitty might try to defend herself from an attack by an opponent equal or greater in strength. Cornered by a dog or faced with a cat fight, she might try to scratch to protect herself and would be 100% vulnerable.

Declawed kitties really really shouldn't go outside, even if there seemingly aren't many dangers around.

Not trying to flame you, I promise. Just worried about your kitty.

golfingdarwinfish · August 2014

I'm BSL-3 trained because my thesis topic was MDR-TB; if I recall, Ebola is a group 4 risk pathogen, and requires BSL-4 lab and safety conditions, which are rather extreme. There's a huge jump from BSL-3 to BSL-4 in terms of precautions and training. There are few BSL-4 labs and units in the country, but many of those labs have been studying BSL-4 pathogens such as ebola & marburg for years. The training to work with these patients or agents is extremely rigorous, and the technology we have here to work with them is superior to anything in the impacted areas.

In infected patients, in addition to the loss of blood, there is a huge risk of shock, and the shock is just (if not more) deadly than the blood loss. The thought may be that if you can manage the patients through this, you increase the chance of getting them through the infection, but at the same time, you have access to the patient and can extract hundreds of samples over the duration of active disease, as well as afterwards. Since there is a huge fear that ebola (or another filoviridae virus) will be weaponized and used as bioterrorism agent, there is a need to better understand the response to the virus, how we can help combat it, as well as have samples from those who actually survive it and observe them over time.

I'm torn on how I feel about the individuals being brought to the US. I can see it from multiple angles, and am glad that wasn't my decision to make. For awhile I wanted to be a "virus hunter" in Africa; now I wonder what I was thinking!

JessAnnJ · August 2014

I am incredibly uncomfortable with the Ebola situation. I live way too close to where they will be. DH regularly works in BSL-3 lab and wears a special outfit when be goes in and has to shower and there are lots of precautions, but I am still weirded out by the fact that he does this at times. Like @golfingdarwinfish‌ mentioned, labs that handle Ebola are BSL-4, that's where they are wearing the spacesuit looking outfit. The CDC has people that work with Ebola. The Emory hospital is very close to the CDC and they will be in a special unit which is also where someone from the CDC would go if they were somehow infected with something dangerous. But, what bothers me is that no matter how much training you have and precautions you take unexpected things happen. So the fact that they are bringing people here that are infected with something that has an extremely high fatality rate and no cure is concerning. Not to mention the cost. I am very sympathetic to the people infected and their families, but they voluntarily placed themselves in the situation where they were exposed
knowing that this was a possibility.

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