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Circumcision...

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Any thoughts on it? Has it caused any debates in your house or is it a must have for your sons? I am still on the fence but I let DH make the final decision...he said its a MUST HAVE
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  • lovelovelove09lovelovelove09 member
    I think it's not necessary. Ultimately it's your choice.
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  • cookieslove1cookieslove1 member
    @Anna930‌ oh wow I've never heard of that before please let me know what compromise you all come up with I'm interested to see how it plays out for you guys
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  • cookieslove1cookieslove1 member
    I think it all depends on the parents and like a PP stated there's no right or wrong answer. However If it wasn't for DH feeling so strongly about getting it done we probably wouldn't
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  • krystrist2014krystrist2014 member

    On this one, I am in the camp of SO is the one with the penis so if we have a boy its his decision to make. We have talked about it and he is adamant that his son(s), should there be any, will not be circumcised.

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  • chicorojochicorojo member
    I haven't brought it up. Both my boys are. DH isn't and it's his first so I'm not sure what his stance is on it. I chose to do it with my first two boys because I knew a few people whose sons had to get it at an older age (2,7,16). Both my kids slept through theirs, but it isn't something I feel super strongly about. I guess I should bring it up and see what he wants to do.
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  • krystrist2014krystrist2014 member
    ColeyCannoli said:
    Honestly, this is a very weird thing for me because I didn't realize it was a default for so many people. There are no circumcised males in either mine or my husband's family and no one has suffered from having foreskins... so I don't know why I would do anything else. I always thought it was a religious thing. I mean, yeah, there may be some benefits to preventing UTIs or STDs but I also know that those things happen to circumcised men too and there are other ways to prevent them than cutting a newborn's skin, like adequate cleaning and teaching safe sex. I wouldn't remove a baby's appendix or tonsils to prevent future problems either... 

    If it's part of your culture or beliefs, then do what you gotta do. I just find myself baffled at the thought that I would want someone to cut off a part of my baby's body for any non-emergency reason. To be fair about it, I'm sure it's not something that will permanently harm a baby or anything. I am not judging cause I don't know what pressures others are under here. I just really don't get it. *shrug*

    edit: clarification
    ^This is our situation too. Men in SO's family aren't circumcised and no one suffered for it. :)
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  • mrsrrobersonmrsrroberson member
    Oh yess!! DH is all about it and says it's absolutely necessary! Now with DS, now 11, I opted not to. His dad wasn't born in this country and has never had an issue and same with DS. My reasoning was as such: he's so little, I don't want him in pain, and they would keep him in hospital another day. But it's turned out ok.

    I have done some research and still stand by leaving little bitty penis's alone! Lol We still do not know the sex of this LO ... I mean if DH doesn't budge then it'll be what it'll be. It's a debate but not a fight.
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  • BabyRN2009BabyRN2009 member
    I'm against it, DH wants it. Haven't had the official debate/discussion yet as we have 2 girls so far, but this one's a boy so the day is fast approaching that we'll have to talk about it! :-P
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  • mightymangomightymango member
    gimmeyronionrings said:
    No debate in our home. DH and I are in agreement that if we have a boy we will not be circumsizing him. If our potential son wants that for himself, he can make the decision on his own when he's old enough to.
    This exactly!
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  • Prinycesa07Prinycesa07 member
    I'm really glad that i dont have to deal with this this time around.  I had a hard time deciding with my son.  I researched a lot for a few months going back and forth.  I wanted a girl really bad this time around for other reasons but the circumcision reason was one of them.
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  • kimba1976kimba1976 member
    I think I need to educate myself more on this issue.  I always thought getting a baby boy circumcised what like getting a baby girl's ears pierced - purely for cosmetic and/or cultural reasons. I was not aware that there are still health benefits. Certainly several hundred years ago when we people didn't have the hygiene practices we have today, but that just doesn't seem like a realistic issue if you teach your little boy proper cleaning habits. 

    I have clearly not researched the issue enough to make an informed decision. Added to my To Do List...
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  • AngelSong76AngelSong76 member
    We're doing it.  We did it with our first and we'll do it with our second.  We did a lot of research and came to this conclusion after thoroughly looking at all angles.  Our first had no issues with it at all.  He was gone for half an hour, he came back and was just as alert and happy as he was before.  It healed beautifully and there have been no problems.  

    FWIW, my dad isn't and he also advocated for getting our sons circumcised.  He said if he would have had the choice when he was little, he would have done it.  He didn't elaborate, nor did I want him to (lol) but it was interesting.

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  • PacoCat33PacoCat33 member
    We are really on the fence and it has caused me a lot of anxiety. DH and everyone I know is circumcised (not for religious reasons- just cause), I've only know one guy who wasn't.

    I was really leaning towards not doing it and was feeling really good, until I read the American College of Pediatrics view. They just changed their position to pro-circumcised, for the STD prevention. Of course, there could be politics playing into their change of position. But, if it is true that the reduction of STDs are 60 percent...that is really high and makes me think that circumcision is the way to go. Ugh! This topic feels me with such angst, I don't want to make the wrong choice!
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  • ebilbaoebilbao member
    I agree with a PP-my hubs has a penis so I let him decide. DH is from Spain so did not have the procedure, so our son won't either. I'm fine with that.
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  • hellopartyof5hellopartyof5 member
    MrsBriss said:

    Manateearmz said:

    MrsBriss said:

    DH and I feel strongly about doing it. Not only for aesthetics but health reasons too. There is that big part of that worries about my poor baby going through that pain but we feel that it's for the best.

    I'm sorry, but I can't help but giggle at the "aesthetics" reasoning. It's a penis, no matter how you look at it it's going to still be a wrinkled ugly penis.
    Ugh true. Penises are not pretty, ever. I guess IMO, I'd rather look at a circumcised penis than not. Just my personal preference...to each their own.

    Makes me think of the sex and the city episode where Charlotte is dating an uncircumcised man and she calls it a shar pei.

    I honestly had no idea that so many people were not doing it these days.
    I've been thinking about Charlotte too!!!! MH gets to decide since he knows the equipment. He is circumcised, but he's not sure yet and is still thinking on it.
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  • PacoCat33PacoCat33 member
    edited July 2014
    @katehgee‌ here is what it says here:
    https://m.aapnews.aappublications.org/content/33/9/1.2.full

    Some of the most significant findings were discovered in studies devoted to the link between circumcision and HIV prevention. According to research, the protective effects of circumcision reduced the incidence of heterosexually transmitted HIV by 40% to 60% in Africa where this type of HIV is prevalent.
    Among the other protective benefits discovered in the research:
    Cases of herpes simplex virus type 2 were 28% to 34% lower in circumcised men.
    There was a 30% to 40% reduction in risk of HPV infection.
    Circumcised males had a much lower risk of UTIs in the first year of life.

    Apologies for formatting on mobile.

    Edit to clarify that I am totally on the fence, but this findings push me towards doing it, but I am still very uncertain and respect everyone's decisions!
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  • MaineMamaMaineMama member

    Until my H I had never been with a man who WAS circed. Neither of my boys are circumcised. I figure that God knew what he was doing when he built that penis, and I'll leave it alone. Besides the fact that I have csections, the only wound care I'm doing is on myself thankyouverymuch.

    FWIW, when I worked at the hospital I saw several babies come in who needed to be Re-circumcised because of skin adhesions, and never saw a child or adult male come in to be circumcised later in life because of medical issues.

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    We're circumcising our boy. There was never a question about it.
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  • RayRay007RayRay007 member
    edited July 2014
    When DH talks about it in the presence of his buddies he's all for circumcision. But I think he's just "talking tough". I think if it came down to it, he wouldn't feel that strongly one way or another. I know so many boys (and exes) who aren't circ'd, that seems to be the norm to me. The one baby I know who was circ'd - it looked so red and painful all the time (the exposed head). It still does. I don't know why a guy would want a rough and desensitized head. With DD we avoided the decision, but now we're going to have to decide. I don't think it is only up to DH just because he's a guy. The child is both of ours. 

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    @gradschoolmom1234‌ I am not concerned with the UTI risk. The STD info is compelling to me... But again, is this accurate? How did they do the study? What kind of politics played into it. Ugh. So lost on this topic.
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    PacoCat33 said:
    @katehgee‌ here is what it says here: https://m.aapnews.aappublications.org/content/33/9/1.2.full Some of the most significant findings were discovered in studies devoted to the link between circumcision and HIV prevention. According to research, the protective effects of circumcision reduced the incidence of heterosexually transmitted HIV by 40% to 60% in Africa where this type of HIV is prevalent. Among the other protective benefits discovered in the research: Cases of herpes simplex virus type 2 were 28% to 34% lower in circumcised men. There was a 30% to 40% reduction in risk of HPV infection. Circumcised males had a much lower risk of UTIs in the first year of life. Apologies for formatting on mobile. Edit to clarify that I am totally on the fence, but this findings push me towards doing it, but I am still very uncertain and respect everyone's decisions!
    I'm looking more into this, specifically at the randomized control trials (where groups of men in several African countries are randomly assigned to getting a circumcision or not getting a circumcision) and less at the observational studies - because observational studies cannot really assign a cause/effect relationship between two variables like circumcision and reduced HIV & STI rates.

    I haven't looked at the actual publications, only the CDC's summary of them, but I'm wondering this:  wouldn't men who were assigned to the circumcision group tend to have less sex for a while?  And could that abstinence be a factor in reducing the rate of HIV in that group?  The CDC report indicates that both the three RCT studies were stopped early, since their data at that point was showing a marked difference between circumcised and non-circumcised men.
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    gradschoolmom1234 said:
    I would try to read the study and give you some answers, but I'm stuck mobile bumping because my computer internet connection seems to be broken. Ugh. I will say that the STD info actually doesn't influence me a whole lot in trying to make this decision. The "protection" that circumcision offers against STDs and transmission is pretty minimal in comparison to the protection that a condom can offer - sex education and safe sex are the more important thing you can give you kid than a circumcised ding dong. ;)
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  • ColeyCannoliColeyCannoli member
    PacoCat33 said:
    We are really on the fence and it has caused me a lot of anxiety. DH and everyone I know is circumcised (not for religious reasons- just cause), I've only know one guy who wasn't. I was really leaning towards not doing it and was feeling really good, until I read the American College of Pediatrics view. They just changed their position to pro-circumcised, for the STD prevention. Of course, there could be politics playing into their change of position. But, if it is true that the reduction of STDs are 60 percent...that is really high and makes me think that circumcision is the way to go. Ugh! This topic feels me with such angst, I don't want to make the wrong choice!
    I find this interesting too. Though condoms still work better than 60%, this would be a pretty valid reason. I dunno, not enough reason for me, personally, to do it to my kid. I feel that it's just part of their bodies and there's nothing inherently wrong with how they were born. If my kid was born with extra toes or fingers, I'd also leave them as is for him to decide what he wanted to do when he was old enough. You can always do it but you can never undo it, you know? 

    The cosmetic reasons floor me though. I think circumcised penises look weird (again, it's not part of my culture at all). To me, penises are supposed to be smooth on top, not all rough and scarred. Plus, like others said, it's a penis... there are no attractive penises :P
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  • RobinettMommaRobinettMomma member
    Its a must have in our household maybe its just the way we were raised but my husband and our boys are circumcised.
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  • PacoCat33PacoCat33 member
    edited July 2014
    And I completely agree with teaching safe sex!!! But, accidents do happen even when you try to be super safe...so in the back of my head I think why not have a little extra protection. And with HPV, a condom doesn't always prevent warts (right?? I am not an expert on this by any means and may be thinking about another STD.) I appreciate any help you research ladies can find on this issue. I work in politics, so I think about the influence and pressure the decision makers are under, but I'm not good at looking at studies with a very critical eye. Thanks for any help!
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  • PacoCat33PacoCat33 member
    And then on the flip side...it could be regarded as a form of mutilation. Do we think it is okay to do something similar to a girl, absolutely not, so why do it to a male. Can you tell this keeps me up at night? And, my DH is just as torn.
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  • JaneArsonJaneArson member
    edited July 2014
    Just to add another idea to the debate, there's also the possibility that circumcision leads to a decrease in sensitivity and sexual pleasure.  This is a controversial topic (within a controversial topic!  meta controversy!!  circumception!!) 

    This article is from 2013: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23374102

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